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Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " Prashant Pandey "

<praspandey wrote:

 

Two Typos:-

 

< Sir, Sayana Sankranti is only misconception. I am giving you one sloka from

Surya Sidhanta itself which Maya had copied from Vedas. >

 

Sir, Nirayana Sankranti is only misconception. I am giving you one sloka from

Surya Sidhanta itself which Maya had copied from Vedas.

 

< I think those lines are futile as there is no Sayana Sankranti according to

Vedas, I have already given you on proof >

 

I think those lines are futile as there is no Nirayana Sankranti according to

Vedas and alos Puranas, I have already given you on proof

 

 

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " Prashant Pandey "

<praspandey@> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Hari Mallaji,

> Namaskar!

>

> I dissected your mail and put my points in this way just to let you tell my

stand (Not as a teacher so don’t feel like that). I also want to streamline

our Vedic Calendar (Only Vedic Calendar) and I am with you if you want

streamline Vedic Calendar. If I have become offensive or look like authoritative

any where than I seek apology.

>

> < Clarifying points like this will surely go a long

> way in the reformaton of our vedic calender. >

>

> Yes, by discussion we get to know our mistakes and also other’s views to

reach to conclusion.

>

> < Please understand that your generataion is a lucky generation because we now

> have the best time in history for the polaris as our present pole star.It is

> said the present polaris will be closest to north in about 20 years from

now.So

> we should say 50 years before and 50 years after about 2030CE is the luckiest

> time to have the pole star exactly at north.Alpha draconis was the pole star

> some 4800 years ago. That was the time the vedic people had their pole star.In

> Egypt the largest pyramid at Giza has it such that from the central chamber

> where the mummie of the Pharoah is kept there is a hole which shows the alpha

> draconis at lower culmination, ie say, at Karkat sankranti.This shows that

Alpha

> draconis was the pole star when the pyramid was constucted.That was our vedic

> time.

> Thus my feeling that within one century we can develop astrology best.Also

> calaender reform too. >

>

> Yes that is what I said to you that Dhruva is not our North Pole star always.

>

> < Thus my feeling that within one century we can develop astrology best.Also

> calaender reform too. >

>

> Yes hope so…

>

> < Please understand that the polaris as the fixed star is true in the

practical

> sense.When we live less than one hundred year, the pole star does not change

> positon apreciably.Thus for all practical purpose it is good to think it is

> fixed in the sky. >

>

> Sir, because of same reason we have become off the mark from real Vedic

Calendar (Big blunder). And Maya, Mlechha (please don’t think that Kaulji is

spreading that he was Mlechha, Varahmihir himself called Greeks as Yavanas) also

did the same mistake and he considered earth as in vibrational motion.

>

> < Even if you use NASA latitude and longitude, the basic concept of dharma

> shastra like adhimas is unchanged from what Surya sidhanta says. >

>

> Sir basically what ever part Maya had copied from Vedas, were correct and

other things were wrong means, calculation to determine the location of planets,

were totally wrong. You can ask this to any astro-software developer. Shri Jhaji

himself commented on it that Surya-Sidhantic calculated longitudes and latitudes

are off the mark from the real planetary positions.

>

> < For accuracy you may take more scientific basis which is OK >

>

> Sir for exact location of planets on Zodiac belt we should become very

scientific.

>

> < But for the basics of dharma shastras we need not give up Suraya sidhanta. >

>

> Sir what ever part Maya, The Mlechha has copied from Veda we should take only

that correct, as we already know other things are wrong.

>

> < You are quite right when you say the solar year is longer by 10.87 days than

> the lunar year. This gives rise to adhimas. Adhimas can fall any month 31 to

36th

> month due to the formula. >

>

> Thanks for appreciation!

>

> < The lunar month without a sankraanti or the solar month with two

amavasyas.This formula fixes the lunar purnima not to deviate from the solar

sankranti more than 15 or 16 days. Thus this clause regulates the lunar seasons

to fluctuate from the solar season not more than 15 days >

>

> I didn’t understand your this point.

>

> < As you know the sayan sankranti gives it appropriate season to the lunar

> months,the control of season is done by the nirayan sankranti, by the above

> formula. >

>

> Sir, Sayana Sankranti is only misconception. I am giving you one sloka from

Surya Sidhanta itself which Maya had copied from Vedas.

>

> " Bhanor Makar Sankranteh Shanmasah Uttarayana, karkyades

> tathaiva syat shanmasa dakshinayanam. dvirashinathah ritavas tatoapi

> shishiradayah, meshadya dvadashaite, bhagastairveva vatsarah " -- i.e

> the " six months of Uttarayana start from the shortest day of the year

> which is known as Makar Sankranti and the six months of Dakshinayana

> start from the longest day of the year which is known as Karkata

> Sankranti. Each ritu (season)like Shirshira etc. consists of the

> same two Mesha etc. rashis and twelve such months make one year " -

> (Surya Sidhanta Mana-adhyaya 9-10)!

>

> So see on your our Sankratis were Tropical not Sidereal.

>

> < Thus each full moon must contain within its zone both the sayan sakranti

> and the nirayan sakrati,so that that full moon gets the undisputed season.This

> requires that the difference between the two sankrantis should not be more

than

> 15 days.Which means the ayanamsa should not increase more than 15 degrees. >

>

> I think those lines are futile as there is no Sayana Sankranti according to

Vedas, I have already given you on proof.

>

> < This means surya sidhanta forgot or could not define this limiting factor to

> ayanamsa.But it did later on set a limit of 27 degrees plus moinus which also

> has not been correct. >

>

> Sir what ever the calculation part was added by Maya was totally incorrect,

now everybody knows about that (I am talking of learned ppl).

>

> < This means Surya Sidhanta forgot or could not define this limiting factor to

> ayanamsa.But it did later on set a limit of 27 degrees plus moinus which also

> has not been correct. >

>

> Now, we should not consider any of Surya Sidhata calculation if he has not

talked of what our VEDAS say.

>

> < Since our festivals are based on lunar months, there is no question of

saying

> comparing the solar and the lunar month, as optional.The lunar months are

> primary and the solar months and seasons are secondary from the point of view

of

> the religius festivals.This is our vedic compulsion to give priority to the

> soli-lunar months first to Chaitra Vaisakh and only secondly to Mesh -Vrish. >

>

> Sir our calendar is based on tithis and it is seasonal (Tropical not

Sidereal). For more clarification I am also giving you some references.

>

> The Taittiriya Smhita (TS) (4.4.11) gives a list of solar months: Madhu,

Madhava (Vasanta, Spring), Shukra, Shuchi (Grishma, Summer), Nabha, Nabhasya

(Varsha, Rains), Isha and Urja (Sharad, autumn), Sahas and Sahasya (Hemanta ,

Winter) and Tapa and Tapasya (Shishir, Deep Winter)â€. Evidently, these months

also are seasonal.

>

> Sir I want to see success in streamlining of Vedic Calendar. Lahiri has posed

his wrong calendar on us so we should come to the solution by discussion.

>

> < Thus now since the four cardinal points have shifted to the full moon zone

of

> the previous months, ayanamsa being more than 15 degrees,it is necesary to

shift

> the solar months and rashis to keep our original importance of the vedic

> soli-lunar months of Chaitra, Vaisakh etc. >

>

> Sir My view point would be to stream line Vedic calendar according to Vedas

not according to Purans. So Rashis (because Purans dealt with Rashi and it is

much much later work and we are here to stream line Vedic Calendar) should have

no place in discussion, even if we take Rashis in our calendar even then Purans

suggest that Calendar was based on Tropical system.

>

>

> < The nirayan sysem by this method will

> continue for another 1500 to 2000 years. >

>

> I have already said that in VEDAS and Purans our calendar was seasonal not

sidereal. So Nirayan system should not be there.

>

> Sir our Vedic calendar is so much beautiful that it will run for rest of life

if we really want to celebrate festivals according to it.

>

> Regs,

> Prashant Pandey

>

> P.S.:- Dear Shri Kaulji and other calendar experts please correct if I am

wrong any where with proofs.

>

> For Typos I seek apology in advance!

>

>

> ----- Forwarded Message ----

> Hari Malla <harimalla@>

> HinduCalendar

> Monday, April 6, 2009 9:23:05 AM

> Re: [HinduCalendar] Reference point of sidereal system...

>

>

> > Dear Prashant Pandeyji,

> > Thank you for your quories.Clarifying points like tis will surely go a long

way in the reformaton of our vedic calender.

> > Please understand that your generataion is a lucky generation because we now

have the best time in history for the polaris as our present pole star.It is

said the present polaris will be closest to north in about 20 years from now.So

we should say 50 years before and 50 years after about 2030CE is the luckiest

time to have the pole star exactly at north.Alpha draconis was the pole star

some 4800 years ago. That was the time the vedic people had their pole star.In

Egypt the largest pyramid at Giza has it such that from the central chamber

where the mummie of the Pharoah is kept there is a hole which shows the alpha

draconis at lower culmination, ie say, at Karkat sankranti.This shows that Alpha

draconis was the pole star when the pyramid was constucted.That was our vedic

time.

> > Thus my feeling that within one century we can develop astrology best.Also

calaender reform too.

> > Please understand that the polaris as the fixed star is true in the

practical sense.When we live less than one hundred year, the pole star does not

change positon apreciably.Thus for all practical purpose it is good to think it

is fixed in the sky.For this reason of fixity of the pole star Karkat and Makar

sankrantis are taken as uttarayan and dakhinayan.Only in the long run it is not

fixed.For the naked eye jyotishis it can be considered as fixed for practical

purpose of observation.Thus we say 'dhruva satya' due to its practical fixity.

> >

> > Even if you use NASA latitude and longitude, the basic concept of dharma

shastra like adhimas is unchanged from what Surya sidhanta says.For accuracy you

may take more scientific basis which is OK.But for the basics of dharma shastras

we need not give up Suraya sidhanta.when I say I am trying to clarify what surya

sidhanta has not clarified I mean about the Amsa Purush, the centre of the lunar

orbit,now adays known as the barycentre.Please try to read some literature about

the bary centre.

> > You are quite right when you say the solar year is longer by 10.87 days than

the lunar year. This gives rise to adhimas.Adhimas can fall any month 31 to 36th

month due to the formula- The lunar month without a sankraanti or the solar

month with two amavasyas.This formula fixes the lunar purnima not to deviate

from the solar sankranti more than 15 or 16 days.Thus this clause regulates the

lunar seasons to fluctuate from the solar season not more than 15 days.

> > As you know the sayan sankranti gives it appropriate season to the lunar

months,the control of season is done by the nirayan sankranti, by the above

formula.Thus each full moon must contain within its zone both the sayan sakranti

and the nirayan sakrati,so that that full moon gets the undisputed season.This

requires that the difference between the two sankrantis should not be more than

15 days.Which means the ayanamsa should not increase more than 15 degrees.Other

wise the purpose of adhimas to give appropriate season to the lunar month is

violated.

> > This means surya sidhanta forgot or could not define this limiting factor to

ayanamsa.But it did later on set a limit of 27 degrees plus moinus which also

has not been correct. Thus we have to add a ayanamsa clause to Surya sidhanta to

limit ayanamsa to plus minus 15 degrees to protect the validity of one month

adhimas in our system which gives the lunar seasons.

> > Since our festivals are based on lunar months, there is no question of

saying comparing the solar and the lunar month, as optional.The lunar months are

primary and the solar months and seasons are secondary from the point of view of

the religius festivals.This is our vedic compulsion to give priority to the

soli-lunar months first to Chaitra Vaisakh and only secondly to Mesh -Vrish.

> > Thus now since the four cardinal points have shifted to the full moon zone

of the previous months, ayanamsa being more than 15 degrees,it is necesary to

shift the solar months and rashis to keep our original importance of the vedic

soli-lunar months of Chaitra, Vaisakh etc.The nirayan sysem by this method will

continue for another 1500 to 2000 years.

> > Thank you for the patience.

> > sincerely yours,

> > Hari Malla

> >

> >

> >

> > HinduCalendar , " Prashant Pandey " <praspandey@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " Prashant

Pandey " <praspandey@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Hari Mallaji,

> > > Namaskar!

> > >

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > Please know that there are four motions of the earth.Daily rotation

centering on earth axis or the pole star(north star) or Dhruva or sometime even

Brahma being at vishnunavi which has also been mentitioned by you.If the daily

sky is observed with the north star as the highest point,in the sky, the sky is

thought as a mountain known mythologically as Sumeru parbat.Thus it is said

Brahma creates the world sitting on top of Meru parbat.The sun moon and all the

stars are seen as going aroound this mountain every day as it were going around

the pole star as the centre of the sky.This is the concept of Brahmaji in our

religion.It is upon this concept that lagan of the jyotishi is based with every

thing rising in the east and travelling to the west but centering on the pole

star.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >

> > > Sir, Star on any pole is not constant; Dhruva is not North Pole Star

now-a-days. When our dharmic story had been written that time Dhruva would have

been Pole Star. So Vishnu Nabhi concept is not correct as what we are

considering. Because of this reason Maya had taken wrong definition of

precession and he posed his wrong creativity on us.

> > >

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > I am trying to clear ideas which have not been cleared by Suraya Sidhanta.

The fourth motion is precession, where the earth axis tilt shifts directions say

at the rate of 50.28 arc seconds per year about which you know better than me. I

am not an expert on the rate of precesssion.whatever the experts say is Ok for

me.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >

> > > Sir, now everybody has come to know that rate of precession is 50.28 so

now everybody is trying to manipulate Surya Sidhanta theory to give precession

rate at 50.28.

> > >

> > > Sir, you know why i am against Surya Sidhanta?? Nobody is using in his

software Surya Sidhantas calculated longitude and latitude, but everybody is

using JPL/NASA's tracked latitude longitude equation. As Surya Sidhanta's

longitude and latitude of any planets are a lot different then correct latitudes

and longitudes. So please forget about the misconception that you are trying to

fix the problem of Surya Sidhanta and by your solution Surya-Sidhanta will start

working and it would have rectified completely as you know nobody is using

longitudes and latitudes calculated by it in their software.

> > >

> > > Sir if i write any book and say Moon Devi came and dictated me whole book

then will you also consider my book as dharmic book, though it could be totally

wrong.

> > >

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > I am specially interested in the rule of adhimas.'Asankranta masa adhimas'

is the formula for adhimas.This rule is a basic rule which I feel is very good

and should be maintained.From this rule the fullmoon moves not more than 15 or

16 days from the sankrantis..This rule has been violated by the present value of

ayanamsa as 24 degrees..This is my claim.From this rule our ayanamsa should not

increase more than 15 degrees.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >

> > > Sir in my view you are fixing the problem with wrong solution,, it

(Adhimas) has nothing to do with this problem.

> > >

> > > Sir When we talk of lunar months, we actually mean synodic months,, from

one New Moon to another. The duration of a synodic month these days is 29 days

12 hrs 44 mts 3 seconds i.e. 29.530589 days approximately. That accounts for

twelve synodic months equaling 354.36708 days. As against that duration of

twelve synodic months, the duration of a Vedic seasonal year is about 365 days

5hrs 48mts 45 seconds i.e. 365.242190 days. The solar year is thus longer by

10.87511 days. In three years' time, thirty six synodic months fall short by

about 32.62533 days against thirty six solar months! This difference of 32.6

days accounts for an adhikamasa every three years! Adhika-masa means thus

actually duplicating synodic month to " subsidize the deficit " .

> > >

> > > So obviously adhimas would have no existence if we will not compare lunar

months to Solar months. When we compare one thing to other thing on same scale

so it is obvious thing that one thing would be shorter than other so in same way

12 lunar months are 10.8751 shorter than 12 solar months. So adhimas came in

existence.

> > >

> > > Now, we take case of Makar Sankrati, according to Veadas,, those days

Uttarayan was same point as Makar Sankranti means Sun was just entering in Makar

constellation (Not Rashi,, mind it ! ) in those days so Uttarayan was named as

Makar Sankranti.

> > >

> > > Now you want that we should shift our calendar 1 month back because of

adhimas (and our problem will get solved for rest coming 2000 yrs), i don’t

understand how adhimas came here to fix the problem. It looks totally in

appropriate solution here. Let suppose we take it as appropriate solution

here,, it is neither fixing problem of Uttarayan (Real definition of Sankranti,,

SANKRANTI ARE RELATED TO 4 CARDINAL POINTS,, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY

CONSTELLATION) nor the problem of Makar Sankranti in Makar Rashi for Jyotish

fraternity.

> > >

> > > I think our Vedic calendar is most beautiful calendar so we should follow

it,, i am still amazed how Vedic Rishis developed this.

> > >

> > > Dear Sir, i am not cutting your point, but this was my stand so i wrote.

Might be my stand would have not matched up with your expectation. I also seek

apology in advance if my language would have been rough,, any where in this

mail.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regs,

> > > Prashant Pandey

> > >

> > > P.S.:- Dear Calendar experts,, if I am wrong than please correct me as

this was my very first mail regarding Hindu Vedic Calendar.

> > >

> > >

> > > Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , Hari Malla

<harimalla@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant Pandeyji,

> > > > Namaskar,

> > > > Please know that there are four motions of the earth.Daily rotation

centering on earth axis or the pole star(north star) or Dhruva or sometime

even Brahma being at vishnunavi which has also been mentitioned by you.If the

daily sky is observed with the north star as the highest point,in the sky, the

sky is thought as a mountain known mythologically as Sumeru parbat.Thus it is

said Brahma creates the world sitting on top of Meru parbat.The sun moon and all

the stars are seen as going aroound this mountain every day as it were going

around the pole star as the centre of the sky.This is the concept of Brahmaji in

our religion.It is upon this concept that lagan of the jyotishi is based with

every thing rising in the east and travelling to the west but centering on the

pole star.

> > > > The other three motions are annual, monthly and precessional.

> > > > The annual motion is that which gives us the 12 bhavas of the

jyotishis.The sun is thought of as being on different rashis when the circle is

divided into 12 equal rashis each month.The months are actually lunar and there

are 12 full lunar months which are reponsible for the bhavas.Thus we also have

to consider Chandra rashi.,although reduced to the position of the moon say at

the time of birth.These bhavas althogh annual in nature is reduced to the day by

the jyotishis by the time of rising or lagan, every day.

> > > > The monthly motion of the earth is along with the moon.Because the earth

cannot balance gravitaionally without itself going round a small cirlce.This

small circle  of the earth is known as the monthly wobble of the earth.This

monthly wobble of the earth is the circle of Maya the mlechha as Mr. Kaul calls

it.EArth's gravitaion is known as maya as it pull us all towards itself as it

were in love.It is just a philosophical word equivalent to the force of earth's

gravitation.The centre of the earth's monthly wobble is known as Purush or Amsa

purush in Surya sidhanta.It is known as barycentre  of earth and the moon in

science.This is the third motion of the earth.

> > > > I am trying to clear ideas which has not been cleared by suraya

sidhanta.The fourth motion is precession,where the earth axis tilt shifts

directions say at the rate of 50.28 arc seconds per year about which you know

better than me.I am not an expert on the rate of precesssion.whatever the

experts say is Ok for me.But my point is surya sidhanta should not break its own

rule.I am specially interested in the rule of adhimas.'Asankranta masa adhimas'

is the formula for adhimas.This rule is a basic rule which I feel is very good

and should be maintained.From this rule the fullmoon moves not more than 15 or

16 days from the sankrantis..This rule has been violated by the present value of

ayanamsa as 24 degrees..This is my claim.From this rule our ayanamsa should not

increase more than 15 degrees.

> > > > More in the next. Thank you

> > > > Sincerely yours,

> > > >

> > > > Hari Malla

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@>

> > > > Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest

> > > > Saturday, April 4, 2009 2:31:03 AM

> > > > Re: Fw: [ind. & West. Astrology] Reference point of sidereal

system...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Hari Mallaji,

> > > >

> > > > I have some questions,, please let me know your answers :-

> > > >

> > > > 1) How earth is doing third motion which is being controlled by Sun and

Moon's gravitational motion??

> > > >

> > > > 2) Is that continuous motion or Vibration Motion ??

> > > >

> > > > 3) Do you also believe in Brahma Nabhi concept ?? Is still Dhruva Star

is polar star??

> > > >

> > > > Mr Hari Malla ji,, all ayanamsa creators say that Surya Sidhanta is

correct but you are saying that it is incorrect and by your one month shifting

it will become correct.

> > > >

> > > > After reading my questions you would have got my point that if you will

talk of Surya Sidhanta then i am not convinced with your even sigle point(It

would be like that you are befooling me in daytime).You are Mechanical

Engineering graduate, so you would have read precession in your course book

named.. Kinematics and Dynamics of machines not Surya Sidhantic theory.

> > > >

> > > > Good Morning for today !

> > > >

> > > > Regs,

> > > > Prashant Pandey

> > > >

> > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Hari

Malla <harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. Pandey,

> > > > > The value of the nirayan sankranti is that althoough it is not

coinciding with the sayan sankranti, it is at the middle of the fullmoon zone

which touches the sayan sankranti. Our surya sidhanta is based on the

coordinated soli-lunar system, if this coordination fails then surya sidhanta

has failed.the limit of this coordination of the sun and moon is 15 or 16 days

plus and minus.that is why the fullmoon never goes more than 16 days from the

respective sankranti.but now since the sayan sankanti has gone 24 days away,

then the coordination of the 16 days limit of season has crossed and our

soli-lunar system has lost its purpose of controlling the full moon within 16

days of the true season.

> > > > > One good example is the spring equinoctical full moon which is

chaitra full moon or hanuman jayanti.The present chaitra full moon never touches

the spring equinox of chaitra 7th.Now a days chaitra 7th is in the zone of

Falgun full moon. Thus the equinoctical full moon has been Falgun full moon.Thus

if we shift the nirayan rashi and the fullmoon by one month the basis of surya

sidhanta is restored.otherwise the system has failed.so the new Mesh sankranti

should be the old Meen Sankranti.the new Chaitra  purnima should be the old

Falgun purnima.

> > > > > thank you,

> > > > > Sincerely yours,

> > > > > Hari Malla

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > > > > Hari Malla <harimalla@ ..>

> > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > > > > Cc: jyotirved@ .

> > > > > Friday, April 3, 2009 8:39:08 AM

> > > > > Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Reference point of sidereal

system...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr.Pandey,

> > > > > Thank you for the quories.My claim is that the nirayan rashi should be

relevant to sayan rashi otherwise the nirayan sytem fails.At present our nirayan

sysem being irrelevant to the sayan system has already failed our surya sidhanta

has failed and must be recorrected. why has it failed?

> > > > > In the beginning the sayan and the nirayan sankranti were at the same

point, that was the ideasl position. Later on when the two sankrantis drifted

apart the relevance was still there because the two sankraantis remained in the

same full moon zone.Now this coordination by the full moon zone is necessary in

our nirayan system.Then the relevance is still there.This relevance demands that

ayanamsa should not be more than 15 degrees.When it is more than 15 degrees then

the relevance is broken and our system  fails.the fooundation of our

panchanga is shaken.we can no more add the sun and the moon's graha spasta to

arrive at our yoga.because  the link between the sun and the moon and the

season has been broken.

> > > > > What is the reason why the syan sankranti, the nirayan sankranti is to

be coordinated by the same fullmoon zone.then opnly we can say tahtthe lunar

system of seasons have got their repective seasons. The sayan sakranti gives its

season and the nirayan sankranti controls that season.the fullmoon needs both

these sakrantis to have undisputed season.when the seasonging sankaranti is in

one fullmoon zone and the controling sankranti is anotherr full moon zone, then

the lunar season of that full moon is disputable and the festival has lost its

vedic season.

> > > > > thank you,

> > > > > Hari Malla

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>

> > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > > > > Thursday, April 2, 2009 9:41:56 PM

> > > > > Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Reference point of sidereal

system...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Hari Mallaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Many ppl from other countries of other religions are also learning

Indian Astrology.. and they use sidereal ephemeris to track the transiting

planets in Sidereal Rashis. Then does that mean they should also think according

to Hindu Calendar to track down their past events. They have other logics to

track down past events and accordingly they enjoy their religious festivals

according to that.

> > > > >

> > > > > So same applies to Hindu Dharmic calendar,, what ever Vedic Calendar

we were using,, it should be used. I don’t understand how

Lahiri, Fagan, Raman can help in this area.

> > > > >

> > > > > Funny thing is ppl say that i dont use Lahiri ayanamsa but i use my

own invented ayanamsa according to Suryasidhanta and others Suryasidhantic

calculation is wrong and only mine is correct.. But when somebody say that we

should also correct our calendar according to this ayanamsa they say you are

destroying my Dharma.

> > > > >

> > > > > He He He He...

> > > > >

> > > > > BTW Kaulji is out of station so quality mails would not be around to

read (Please don’t feel that why I am not quoting your name,, I

think you are also aware that he is not only very learned but he is also having

strong abilities of presentation, , sometimes I roll on floor after reading his

replies to anybody) but Goelji’s and your mails are good enough

to learn something. Otherwise you know what ppl show on internet,, hey man see I

have 100 foreign students and I run Parampara,, how much you are having..

tell…oh you have no one,, other say hey look my new invented

Suryasidhantic calculated ayanamsa,,, other say all others are stupid only I

know Vargas secrets…. He he he he he….BTW I also do

it as I am also an astrologer so it has to also be in my blood…he

he he he….

> > > > >

> > > > > After somedays I will say all other interpretation are wrong only mine

is correct because I use KP…...

> > > > >

> > > > > Regs,

> > > > > Prashant Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Hari

Malla <harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. PrashantPandey,

> > > > > > I think you have shown very sharp intelligence in making these few

replies to vinayji.You are really a sincere and religious person.Vinayaji also

seeems to be religous except when phalit jyotish is involved.

> > > > > > You know I am always sympathetic to phalit jyotish unless

they cross their boundaries.I have been supporting of rashis, nakshyatraas and

the nirayan system.but I cannot tolerate if some phalit jyotish tries to

put his jyotish before his religion.He should realise that religion and jyotish

are to some extent contadictory. Religion says do your duty without getting

attached to the fruits and phalit jyotish is built on attachment to fruits.Well

if less spiritual people do so even that is excusable.But when such a person

comes on the way of rightful vedic injunctions like calender reform for

uttarayan and dakhinayan; then they can be compared  to  being

antireligious and thus to be taught as you are now doing.

> > > > > > But thank you  for handling the situation in

an effective way.God bless you.good night for today.

> > > > > > sincerely yours,

> > > > > > HAri Malla

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>

> > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > > > > > Thursday, April 2, 2009 6:21:36 PM

> > > > > > Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Reference point of sidereal

system...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vinay,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your statements are contradictory to what you are talking on mails.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have written following lines on given link:-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >

> > > > > > cycle of precession approximately every 26,000 years (25771.5

precisely at present, 25789.5 years is long term mean). At the same time, the

elliptical orbit rotates, more slowly, leading to a 21,000-year cycle between

the seasons and the orbit... This orbital precession is in the opposite sense to

the gyroscopic motion of the axis of rotation(cf. anomalistic precession as

distinct from equinoctial precession), shortening the period of the precession

of the equinoxes with respect to the perihelion from 26,000 to 21,000 years. "

(at some sites of NOAA of USA, 22000 is mentioned instead of 21000)

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are saying that your astrology( only yours not others!) has

nothing to do with physical astronomy and see what you have written.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are looking quite confused.I think in your Gaja Kesari there is

strong influenec of Sa and so it is being cancelled.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regs,

> > > > > > Prashant Pandey

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Vinay

Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prashant Jee,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please read http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Ayanamsha+

vs+Precession

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Equinoxes and solstices were discovered neither because of

seasons, nor on account its movement in the back ground of stars. Bhaskar-II

cites Shruti for his equations. Shruti means oral (Vedic) tradition. These

equations were revelations. Otherwise, so accurate formulas could not have

evolved in an age of bad equipments.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>

> > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > > > > > > Wednesday, April 1, 2009 8:28:21 PM

> > > > > > > Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Reference point of sidereal

system....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Respected Shri Goelji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please clarify your following line:-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>

> > > > > > > Even movement of equinoxes is discovered on account its movement

in the back ground of stars.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir in my view equinoxes and solstices have been discovered

because of seasons. It has nothing to do with background stars. But where it is

parked now-a-days we go for backgroud means star in any constellation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kindly correct me if i am wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir i will also show you use of those cardinal points in Rashi

aspect and in Badhak House on some other mail chain in reply to you and would

like to have your inputs.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kindly

donÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧ¢â€žÂÃ\

‚¢t take my mail as I am cutting your point.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks in advance!

> > > > > > > Prashant Pandey

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

" Prashant Pandey " <praspandey@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Goelji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would like to go for VE Point as it is not being changed(means

its meaning is not being changed and we can easily track where VE Point is

now-days in future after million and million of yrs...)....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > Indeed it is changing ,but at a rate in between about o " .o3 to

o " .oo1 per year

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It means,,Brahmahlok, satya lok, is also changing so VE Point is

the correct choice.Even stars are also moving wrt to our solar system so any

planet can dosappear from our constellation or any new star can become prominent

star to have its posn in our constellation, ,so mignt be Pisces (Fish) may

become Jackal or Dog any time in future.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So please see on your own my choice is best(May be my choice

doesnt match with your choice,,it happens,,please excuse me,, he he he he he he

he)....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BTW,, it doesnt matter what i say or you say,,, matters what our

VEDA takes as we are follow HINDU Dharma.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regs,

> > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Prasant ji,

> > > > > > > > > Indeed it is changing ,but at a rate in between about o " .o3 to

o " .oo1 per year,

> > > > > > > > > where as V.E.POINT IS MOVING AT A RATE OF 50 " ,3 PER YEAR.

> > > > > > > > > Even movement of equinoxes is discovered on account its

movement in

> > > > > > > > > the back ground of stars.

> > > > > > > > > You may kindly decide yourself which is better.

> > > > > > > > > Astronomical constants need revision on periodic intervals.

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > ÃƧÆ'‚ G.K.GOEL

> > > > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > > > > > > INDIA

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ >

> > > > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 4 February, 2009 2:41:16 AM

> > > > > > > > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Reference point of sidereal

system...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Goelji,

> > > > > > > > > Shape and size of constellations are being changed

> > > > > > > > > because our solar system is rotating around Star Lamda

Scorpii(

> > > > > > > > > cluster of three stars).So, how we can rely on any star just

to get

> > > > > > > > > the reference point.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In my view cardinal points(solstices and eqinoxes) are best

choices

> > > > > > > > > to get reference point.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regs,

> > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P.S.:- Mr. Kaul and you have done really good research.I am

only

> > > > > > > > > tracing both of yours foot-steps.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

Gopal

> > > > > > > > > Goel <gkgoel1937@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear PANDEY JI

> > > > > > > > > > Mr.

FaganÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚ was a

British and very ardent supporter of

> > > > > > > > > > Sidereal system.

> > > > > > > > > > He had adopted Star Aldebaran 3

(RohniÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚ ) as a

reference star and

> > > > > > > > > > assuming its longitude as 45deg . In Chitrapakchhaya system

,

> > > > > > > > > > the reference star is Spica 16(CITRA) and its longitude is

fixed

> > > > > > > > > at

180ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚ deg.

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚

> > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, 24 January, 2009 2:55:03 AM

> > > > > > > > > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Brain Damage in Spite

of

> > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha Yogas : Case Study

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > If i take Fagan ayanamsa then Mo is in Revati,,not in Magha.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regs,

> > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou

ps.com,

> > > > > > > > > Gopal

> > > > > > > > > > Goel <gkgoel1937@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚

ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚

Dear Prasant ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚

There is

onlyÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

§Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'â€\

Å¡ 1 " dif. in app. and true Moon. Jh hora gives

> > > > > > > > > Moon's

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚

long.ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬Ã\

Ƨ…¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡

aboutÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬Ã\

Ƨ…¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ 58 min i..e... less than 1 deg.

> > > > > > > > > > > It was clear and obvious from your prev. mail that native

is

> > > > > > > > > alive.

> > > > > > > > > > > I only tried to put emphasis that a person may suffer

permanent

> > > > > > > > > > disability in

> > > > > > > > > > > childhood if nativity suffers from strong balarist. In

that

> > > > > > > > > event

> > > > > > > > > > coming good yogas in a nativity

> > > > > > > > > > > are of little value..

> > > > > > > > > > > I have some other examples available with me where native

> > > > > > > > > suffered

> > > > > > > > > > permanent disability in

> > > > > > > > > > > childhood inspite of good yogas in the nativities.

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚

G.K.GOEL

> > > > > > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > > > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > > > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > > > > > > > > INDIA

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou

ps..com

> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, 22 January, 2009 7:04:11 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Brain Damage in

Spite of

> > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha Yogas : Case Study

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes,very valid point.

> > > > > > > > > > > Goelji by chance made mistake in doing analysis even you

have

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > seen that he has not taken true position of Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes it happens.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regs,

> > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou

ps.com,

> > > > > > > > > > Vinay

> > > > > > > > > > > Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If a native lives long, then balarista should not be

used to

> > > > > > > > > > > expalin lifelong disabilities.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou

ps...com

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:36:06 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > [ind. & West.. Astrology] Re: Brain Damage in

Spite

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha Yogas : Case Study

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Goel Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Your analysis was very nice.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,you advocate so much of true positions of planets.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You have written following thing:-

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Born within one degree of Magha nakshatra "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Have you taken position of Moon as apparent position or

true

> > > > > > > > > > > > position in this analysis??

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regs,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou

> > > > > > > > > > ps.com, " Prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pandey " <praspandey@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Goel Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried to put both nativites in one single

> > > > > > > > > > > > > question just to show that KSY can't be harmfull

everytime.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra-Ke,its nks and Dashas play great role in predictive

> > > > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > KSY doesn't.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou

> > > > > > > > > ps.com,

> > > > > > > > > > > Gopal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Goel <gkgoel1937@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr..Panday ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both the nativities referred by you do not stand any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In first case the native was

bornÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'†ÃƧ‚§ÃƧÆ'Ã\

†'ÃƧ‚¢ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƧÆ'…ÃƧ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'Ã\

ƒÆ§Ã†'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧ…¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'\

ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚ in strong balarista

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > acquired born disabilities;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Born within one degree of Magha nakshatra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Yoga is also owned by Ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 . both Moon and Sun are with Malefic Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Nodal axis is falling in 2/8 H

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 The native was born in Ketu dasa , which crippled

and

> > > > > > > > > > > eclipsed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'†ÃƧ‚§ÃƧÆ'Æ'\

ÃƧ‚¢ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧ‚Ã\

ƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƧÆ'…ÃƧ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÃ\

†'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧ…¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ\

¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚

ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'†ÃƧ‚§ÃƧÆ'Æ'\

ÃƧ‚¢ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧ‚Ã\

ƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƧÆ'…ÃƧ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÃ\

†'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧ…¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ\

¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚ growth in child hood

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6..Lagnesh Venus is in 12H AND IN devility.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no opportunity for other yogas to

manifest.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before any nativity is judged , Strength of

PanchagaÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'†ÃƧ‚§ÃƧÃ\

†'Æ'ÃƧ‚¢ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧ\

‚¬ÃƧÆ'…ÃƧ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧâ€\

 'ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧ…¡ÃƧÆ'Ã\

†'ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > balariste

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'†ÃƧ‚§ÃƧÆ'Æ'\

ÃƧ‚¢ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧ‚Ã\

ƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƧÆ'…ÃƧ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÃ\

†'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧ…¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ\

¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚ if present ,should be

accessed in depth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such problems do not come from Kala sarpa yoga

alone.it is

> > > > > > > > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 8H AND MAGHA NAKSHATRA WITH SIDHA

YOGAÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'†ÃƧ‚§ÃƧÆ'Ã\

†'ÃƧ‚¢ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƧÆ'…ÃƧ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'Ã\

ƒÆ§Ã†'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧ…¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'\

ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚ SPELLED

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > DISASTER FOR HIM.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The nativity of Mr. Chiaranjeevi does not suffer

such

> > > > > > > > > > defects.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'†ÃƧ‚§ÃƧÆ'Æ'\

ÃƧ‚¢ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧ‚Ã\

ƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƧÆ'…ÃƧ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÃ\

†'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧ…¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ\

¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚

ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'†ÃƧ‚§ÃƧÆ'Æ'\

ÃƧ‚¢ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧ‚Ã\

ƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƧÆ'…ÃƧ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÃ\

†'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧ…¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ\

¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÆ'†ÃƧ‚§ÃƧÆ'Æ'\

ÃƧ‚¢ÃƧÆ'¢ÃƧ¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧ‚Ã\

ƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƧÆ'…ÃƧ‚¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ†'ÃƧÃ\

†'¢ÃƧ¢â€šÂ¬ÃƧ…¡ÃƧÆ'Æ'ÃƧ\

¢â‚¬Å¡ÃƧÆ'‚ G.K.GOEL

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > INDIA

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou

ps.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 21 January, 2009 5:12:44 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Brain Damage

in

> > > > > > > > > Spite

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha Yogas : Case Study

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written following lines:-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " QUOTE : [[ See this horoscope, native born Sept

14th 1955

> > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > 10

> > > > > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bangalore,India.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > EXCEPT for Kalasarpa Yoga, I am sure the native

would have

> > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > world renowned personality, so strong is the

horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > > > KSY

> > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > single handedly made the person a mentally

handicapped

> > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth due to permanent brain damage at birth itself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above example clearly demonstrates how KSY alone

(all

> > > > > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND Ascendant are between Rahu & Ketu) has

completely

> > > > > > > > > > crippled

> > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the many great yogas in the horoscope. The person is

> > > > > > > > > almost

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely dependent as his mental age is only 2

years due

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > permanent brain damage at birth..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ananda ] UNQUOTE : "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in your following link:-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/

Brain+Damage>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now please check the Chiranjeevi' s

chart,,Chiranjeevi is

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KSY.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou

> > > > > > > > > > > > ps.com, " Prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandey " <praspandey@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Vinay Jha Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to give one birth detail to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > endorse your view ,,which you have written about

the

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have provided,, that this native would have been

world

> > > > > > > > > > > > renowned

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personality.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjeevi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aug 22,1955 (Mon)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10:31:41

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mogaltur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjeevi is also having near about same

placement in

> > > > > > > > > D-

> > > > > > > > > > 1.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will also post my analysis according to D-12,D-3

and D-

> > > > > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same native.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ps.com, " vinayjhaa16 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji has asked me to provide planetary data so

that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Siddhantic computations could be made with other

> > > > > > > > > > software.

> > > > > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lead

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to unnecessary controversy in wrong direction,

because

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Siddhantic computations differ from those

of

> > > > > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astronomy..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently, I wasted two weeks in a group and

resigned

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > last,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some people were adamant that Siddhantic

computation

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > outdated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must be rejected. I am submitting detailed

reports

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > software, which are astronomically wrong and

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologically

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accurate ;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either keep an astronomy (which is correct for

> > > > > > > > > positions

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets) that makes a mockery of astrology, or

keep a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Siddhantic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology which is at variance with physical

astronomy

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accurate

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICALLY . See Brain Damage in Spite of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Panchmahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogas :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case Study

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/

Brain+Damage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/

Brain+Damage>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have made thousands of such case studies in

> > > > > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mundane

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscopy, and found Siddhantic method of free

> > > > > > > > > Kundalee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > software

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impeccably perfect in all cases.. The choice is

yours.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ

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