[hc] Fake Sabbath Calendar in the name of Veda

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--- On Thu, 16/4/09, Bingo Bingo <bingo.bingo78 wrote:

 

 

Bingo Bingo <bingo.bingo78

Re: [hc] Re: Fake Sabbath Calendar in the name of Veda

hinducivilization

Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 10:20 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you Sampat Sir for good wishes

 

I am/was quite bored by his idiotic views.

 

Please see his mail about the Vedic Calendar.

 

One side he says that Ancient calculations are wrong and other side says

sidereal calendar is real and considering Makar sankranti as ingress of Sun in

Makar Rashi.He is too much confused in his cooked up stories.I accept that he

has to learn much and he has still very little knowledge but i wonder he would

be able to grasp anything because his qurdrants are too much afflicted and he

use to do stupid things

 

Now ask this Muslim( he is Mullah and muslim funded Mullah) to destroy Indian

culture that he will take ingress of Sun in Makar rashi according to what

Lahiri, Raman, Chandra Hari, Fagan and everybody has calcualted ayanamsa

according to Ancient calculation etc etc...

 

I was surprised when i saw his that email and started thinking that he doesnt

know anything but talks like big authority

 

he talks like bull shit in his domestic forum and he also deletes msgs of other

persons because it is like his domestic forum,now you can see that on your own

in that forum today

 

that forum is not democratic forum and nobody is active now there and on my

phone everbody says that he talks like idiot

 

He has abused to many person and all are astrologers

 

He can abuse there not outside because he will come to know abt that

 

he is Muslim in reality as he is detroying Hindu dharma by saying that ancient

calculations are rubbsh and Sanskrit univ are nothing

 

He has very little knowledge on all things but always talk like authority he

copy everything from everybody's books

 

Dear Moderator Sir firstly stop him from here for his rubbish laguage otherwise

i will give huge huge abuses and will paste it on site and it will always remain

ON for rest of life

 

I PLEDGE

 

Bingo

 

--- On Thu, 16/4/09, S Sampath <sampath_srinivasara ghavan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

 

S Sampath <sampath_srinivasara ghavan (AT) (DOT) co.in>

[hc] Re: Fake Sabbath Calendar in the name of Veda

hinducivilization

Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 4:24 AM

 

 

 

 

Highly welcome Virodhi New Year Resolution.

Sampath

hinducivilization, " Ravi " <ravi7640@.. .> wrote:

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> This topic need to be stopped right away. We at HC do not want members

using

> this forum for personal mud slinging. To be very frank I am sure most

of us

> are sick of this subject being fought over like street dogs fighting

over a

> piece of bone !

> The next poster on this topic would be subjected to needful moderation

and

> possible removal.

> Moderator

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> " bingo.bingo78 " bingo.bingo78@ ...

> hinducivilization

> Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:32 PM

> [hc] Re: Fake Sabbath Calendar in the name of Veda

>

>

> >

> >

> > SUNIL NAIR IS THE SAME PERSON WHO HAS DISCREDITED MANY ASTROLOGERS

LIKE

> > SRI PVR AND SRI SANJAY RATH, WHO ARE NOT ONLY SPREADING DIVINE

SCIENCE BUT

> > ALSO HINDU DHARMA

> >

> > HE HAS GIVEN SEVERE ABUSES TO THEM AND THREATENED THEM

> >

> > HE ABUSES TO MANY PARAMPARAS AND ALSO MANY ASTROLOGERS, EVERYBODY

KNOWS

> >

> > HE IS MUSLIM TERRORIST WHO JUST WANT TO BEHEAD BECAUSE OF HIS

MADNESS

> >

> > HE HIMSELF IS THE BIGGEST DESTROYER OF HINDU DHARMA AND ASTROLOGY

> >

> > WE SHOULD NOT HEAR ANY VOICE OF THIS COMEDIAN

> >

> > HE HAS RECENTLY SAID THAT ALL ANCIENT CALCULATION ARE RUBBISH, IT IS

> > INSULT OF OUR ANCESTORS, REAL INSULT

> >

> > HE HAS SAID THAT SANSKRIT UNIVERSITIES ARE FAKE, WHERE OUR REAL

HINDU

> > DHARMA EXISTS

> >

> > HE IS THE TERRORIST IN-BETWEEN HINDUS

> >

> > BAN HIM IMMEDIATELY FROM HERE TO SAVE HINDU CIVILIZATION

> >

> > WE SHOULD ASK HIS OWN BIRTH DETAILS WHICH IS WORSE THAN CHANDALS

> >

> >

> > hinducivilization, " sreedhar.nambiar "

> > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Fake Sabbath Calendar in the name of Veda

> >>

> >> - Written by Sunil Nair

> >>

> >> [This is discussed in another group - A reply to attackers to

astrology

> >> like AKK, who spreads the lies as astrology is against Hindu

religion

> >> and imported from west -it is Greek Chaldean contribution and

argues

> >> that even the calendars which we uses should be changed to their

some

> >> vague lunar calendars]

> >>

> >> This is what I gather about middle eastern, Greek or Arabic,

Yehudian (

> >> Jews ) calendars. They all have a common belief and philosophy

(Semitic

> >> philosophy) except old Greece. I believe that - Hindu kings were

ruling

> >> there in Greece till it was totally destroyed just 200 yr before

> >> Alexander's birth. The period is called Minoans' era. One of Kaul's

> >> favorite argument is that - It is Greeks or Chaldeans or

Mesopotamians

> >> or at least Jews who give India all Vedas and technology and even

> >> Puranas. He does not spell it exactly as it is ? but as per his

> >> argument, as Puranas has astrological signs and hence they should

be of

> >> Greece origin! The Greece which went later under Roman Empire, just

> >> after Alexandrian era, to became the seat of Jews and later of

> >> Christians. The old Mesopotamia (current Iran) was habited by old

Indus

> >> people too. Indus people must have been an elitist class there, as

there

> >> are several Indus seals discovered in that area, showing the

supremacy

> >> of the Indus people. They where respected as elite royal class even

in

> >> Arabia (especially Bahrain and Oman). Indus seals discovered in

Arabia

> >> is a proof their supremacy and of settling there and leading a

> >> influential life in those societies (Dilmun civilization)

> >>

> >> All those western religions and people and civilizations they

believe

> >> god created everything and took rest on 7th day. It is known as

Sabbath.

> >> The word `Sabat' is Sapta in Sanskrit ? meaning 7th (refer at least

> >> Bible ? I would suggests to those western favorites), indicating

> >> that the word itself is of Vedic Sanskrit origin. In India all

Indian

> >> religions has same line of thought and same is true with all those

> >> western imported Asian religions too. It is better right to use the

> >> Semitic religion the word western religions.

> >>

> >> Arabic calendars do not have the concept of months. I mean ? there

> >> was no specific month names assigned to months with some specific

> >> meanings connected to seasons or constellations or what ever, but

only

> >> some religious belief attached names. I think it is the same with

other

> >> middle-eastern religions too. Actually, I don't see any proof to

agree

> >> that they have a valid calendar at all - but I am open to

discussions.

> >> Thus for Muslims sighting of moon and moon periods was the whole of

> >> their calendar concept! All religious festivals were decided by

sighting

> >> of moon after Amavasya and it is not predetermined like in Hindu

> >> Panchangas (almanacs/ephemeris ). Another cute point to note which

> >> emphasis the authentic nature of Indian knowledge is that, there is

no

> >> proof of panchangas in other societies which is used for religious

> >> purpose, but only in India. This point to its uniqueness and

originality

> >> in the use of Panchanga (5 limbs of time viz. Vara, Karana, Tithi,

> >> Nityayoga and Nakshatra), and also point to the fact that these 5

limbs

> >> of time including weekdays (Vara) originated in India itself. Every

body

> >> know the age of Muslim religion - with all valid proof and strong

> >> historical proof with valid support, now it is only Hijra era is

1430,

> >> clarifying that the Muslim religion originated only around 6th

century

> >> AD. Even their calendars has nothing to do with any astronomical

> >> specialty than some belief as this month is this way attached to

some

> >> religious way. And it doesn't keep with seasons and it just keeps

> >> rotating in every year. Even after translating various astrological

and

> >> astronomical texts from India and there were good astrologers in

Arabic

> >> and Islamic periods, they are yet to master the calendar concept,

its

> >> seasonal and astronomical importance. But as per Kaul, such lunar

> >> calendar is the most authentic one and not the Indian solar

calendar and

> >> we should change the Muslim way! Or better he argues that that was

the

> >> Vedic way! May be he is trying to indicate that Hindus adopted all

> >> knowledge from Muslims!

> >>

> >> Let us review the Muslim system and see how correct it is. Let us

see

> >> whether those Arabic Muslim calendar concepts are in any way

connected

> >> to seasons or not. No, we will fail to find any proper connection.

For

> >> example, the Ramadan month (their biggest fasting month) can be in

> >> summer at one time and in winter at another time

> >>

> >> Let us look at the week days they use as well. Their week day

naming

> >> system is, youm al ahd (first day ), youm al ithnain (2nd day )

till

> >> youm al sabath (7th day ) etc, except on Friday which is named Juma

or

> >> youm al juma (juma means religious mass prayers day in Arabic).

Also

> >> remember that Arabic is one of the oldest language too. We are left

> >> wondering - why they don't call the week days with some specific

name?!

> >> Some specific names connected with the planets or so but only call

it as

> >> first day to 7th day etc. Is it that the original names are

forgotten?

> >> Why they are using 7-day system in Vedas?!

> >>

> >> This means that the Arabic people never had the 7-day week system

with

> >> names such as Sunday, Monday etc up to Saturday. This means that

even

> >> the European system of 7-day week is pirated from India and not

from

> >> Arabia or so. Later the Arabs simply use the new English version of

days

> >> in their modern calendar. This all points to the fact that, the

Arabs

> >> had no idea about planets and planetary days. One major question

that

> >> sprigs in mind is that - Why these slave Greeks to Romans (Ancient

Greek

> >> conquered by Romans) or slave Jews to Chaldeans (Arabia and Chaldia

was

> >> under Indus rule earlier, Arab Jews were slaves under Chaldean

rule)

> >> cannot influence Arabs or Europe? But as per Kaul, they were all

eager

> >> to export all those knowledge to India! Poor thing! They Semitic

Jews

> >> and Chaldeans don't have any knowledge to influence even Arabs or

> >> Europe, how are they supposed to have influenced India?! Arabs

became

> >> the torch bearers of Jew/Muslim Semitic branch and Greek being

> >> considered as the forefathers of the European/Christian renaissance

and

> >> science.

> >>

> >> It is interesting to note that - the Arabians who were very close

to

> >> Chaldea and Chaldeans, and Jews or even to Mesopotamia (present

Iraq)

> >> didn't know anything much nor has a calendar. Otherwise - why there

is

> >> no proof? Even Jews and old bible says Saturday as Sabbath (7th day

-

> >> Sapta Dinam) day ? a Sanskrit adopted word. Where is proof for

their

> >> authority in astrology or astronomy for their week day concept?!

For us

> >> no such confusion and no such lack of clarity ? since we have our

> >> base clear and know well the connection between week days and its

> >> astronomical and astrological connotation and explanation.

> >>

> >> No where in Quran /Bible /or Jewish holy texts has proof that they

have

> >> real calendars or even proper week days. It means they created all

this

> >> only in export zone (since they had none of this knowledge for

their

> >> native personal use) and exported all this to India as some tax

benefits

> >> are available or what?! Please see the stupidity involved in this

> >> argument. If they didn't have any such knowledge available with

them,

> >> how they are supposed to export the same to India? If India had

such

> >> knowledge earlier itself, if even the words show the Indian

connection,

> >> is it not clear that they gained this knowledge from India and not

vice

> >> versa?

> >>

> >> We know that during the making present western calendar the

Europeans

> >> invited lot astrologers from India and connected also through

> >> correspondence (Indian literature available to Europeans). So the

old

> >> roman 10 month calendar which is again pirated Sanskrit version has

> >> transformed into present 365 days yearly calendar. This happened

after

> >> 3rd/4th century AD and they still has no clear calendar. Indians

has

> >> solid proof that we are using this kind of calendar, though not

exact

> >> but based on Solar (saura) days .Now some fools are coming to us

through

> >> various ways (in the name protecting god and dharma ) and saying

that

> >> we copied them ( taking advantage of present English based

education in

> >> India so to as to spread lies ) or some twisted versions .And main

aim

> >> is make Hindu psyche submissive more to western than pride in own

> >> culture

> >>

> >> See fun of New western calendar - September the 7th month become

9th

> >> month ,October the 8th month become 10th month, November the 9th

month

> >> become 11th month and December the 10th month become 12th month

(Sapta

> >> is 7, Ashta means 8, Nav means 9, Dasa means 10 in Sanskrit). Can

anyone

> >> explain me this magic me and say how it happened?

> >>

> >> It is my request to all those greek paksha/chaldean paksha vedic

priests

> >> who made some fake calendar and is trying to call it Vedic version

and

> >> says we took everything from west and other wise use his non

existent

> >> mathematically impossible lunar calendar (let me put it clearly ?

It

> >> is my request to all those stupid Kaulians) that ? please start to

> >> learn and understand the depth of Indian knowledge and

understanding.

> >> Reading the front and back cover of books and saying that I have

covered

> >> things from cover to cover don't help. Please become Sishya to some

good

> >> guru and start learning ? may be that could help. Please know that

-

> >> Hindus insular nature has protected their knowledge unless some one

can

> >> come here and settle, become a true student (sishya) no gurus were

ready

> >> to teach and those days there is no also with nature

of

> >> present Hindu warriors. If the Arabs got only partial knowledge

from

> >> India (for example only the 7-day week system and not the

astronomical

> >> connection correlation and logic behind) it was just because of the

fact

> >> that they never gained the knowledge from India in a systematic

way.

> >> Borrowed knowledge is almost always incomplete.

> >>

> >> Please stop ignorantly claiming that you know every thing and have

read

> >> every thing from cover to cover. Please stop deriving use out of

context

> >> meaning too (This is the typical symptom of one who do not have a

guru,

> >> one who never learned things in a traditional way). Out of context

use

> >> of words can wreck havoc and will lead us nowhere.

> >>

> >> For example dwija means twice born, but I find in one text which is

> >> Ayurvedic the term used for teeth ? i.e. sthoola dwija = Big teeth.

> >> According to the text and context there is no reason to use varna

or

> >> class remark here. So in that Ayurvedic context the meaning of that

word

> >> `Dwija' will became teeth. Why? Because as human we get teeth 2

times in

> >> one life ? teeth is Dwija `twice born'! I find same wordings in

> >> Horas (astrological texts) too, when used to explain personal

traits of

> >> people who born in particular sign. So if you are a true seeker of

> >> knowledge, learn to use and try to understand words in their own

> >> context, and not out of context.

> >>

> >> Those who intentionally twists everything is having a heyday with

> >> Sanskrit literature and Sastras may end up in hell in nether worlds

and

> >> lunatic asylum in this world. They create their own hell and dwell

in it

> >> ? may be just because of the cravings for missionary money.

> >>

> >> - 0 -

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