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--- On Sun, 19/4/09, Prashant Pandey <praspandey wrote:

 

 

Prashant Pandey <praspandey

[HinduCalendar] Fwd: Re: Krittikadi

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Sunday, 19 April, 2009, 2:33 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

<I recently heard that in Tamil nadu 30 temples have already taken the sayan

system for the celebration of their festivals.This is what worries me.>

 

yeahoooo

 

ting ding ding ding ding !

 

Sirji this is the reality of our HINDU DHARMA. Believe me!

 

We had tropical calendar in past, this our Dharma Grantha says.That is our

ancient Vedic Calendar in true sense.

 

Sir for your kind information south indian's are best in astrology and about

knowing the ancient facts of Hindu Dharma.

 

I was also aware that South Indians will start this reform and will reinstate

our vedic calendar because they are the best, and they have courage.

 

All naadi astrological works are from south india.Thy have done beautifull

research, no doubt, i should say they are best in the world in astrology.

 

We can abuse Kaulji but he is correct in his research.S B Dixit, i think also

South Indian, he has also said same thing and now in South India, some temples

have reinstaed the Vedic Calendar.Good News!

 

I am also also ardent follower of Nirayan (Sidereal) sytem(also of tropical).

 

But for Hindu Dharma, i will put my astrology a side(astrology gayi tail lenay

for meray pyaaray dharm ke liye).

 

Thanks again for Good News!

 

Now i am happy and can sleep well.

 

Regs,

Prashant Pandey

 

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Prashant

<praspandey@ > wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sunil Nairji,

> As you suggest?I stop here, since you are irritated unnecessarily without

searching for the truth.But let me remind you that I am not in favoour of pure

sayan system as you understand.? I want to protect and presearve?the nirayan

system in a reseasonble way.The reason?I want to do this?is because sayan is

trying to overcome our nirayan culture..I recently heard that in Tamil nadu 30

temples have already taken the sayan system for the celebration of their

festivals.This is what worries me.Well if you want them to increase and

increase, it is upto you.You may please check from Robert wilkinson of the WAves

forum, if it is true or not.Also know that Mr.Kaul has?said both sayan and

nirayan Niradhar.Any way, at present I am in no mood to continue with this

subject here either. Thanking you,?I say goodbye,

> ?sincerely yours,

> Hari Malla.

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> sreedhar.nambiar <sreedhar.nambiar@ >

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, April 18, 2009 11:48:49 PM

> [vedic astrology] Fwd: Re: Krittikadi

ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> dear hari malla ji and sreenadh ji

>

> malla ji says shri kaul ji is ready to change his attitude or may b

> malla ji can make it happen ,kaul jis confessions and conversion are

> always welcome

>

> But the problem wont end there

>

> First of all he shud decide/agree what is Hindu astrological

> -astronomical concept and he shud discard his support for sayana western

> zodiacs and praising of their contributions .His calendrical concepts

> are based on a moving vishuva bindu ,so the rasi belt ( the path ) moves

> with the changes in vishuva bindu which is western concept not indian

> jyothishchakra ( hindu /baudha /jaina /charvaka etc ) .indian concept

> is based on nakshtra and fixed point of meshadi and aswinadi aramba

> chart

>

> ,if malla ji thinks it is varahamihira strted it i think he is wrong

> ,pls refer parasara hora ,chapter 3 shloka numbrs 3 to 7 ,nakshtrani

> grhanam ----- to meshadi namaka rasaya syu part .

>

> so for us rasi chakra is the path for grahas and nakshtras and other

> points required for a jyothichakra .And it has to b fixed one .And for

> us rasi and bhava is imp .lagna and Houses decide every thing and

> ownerships /shodasa vargas and all other mathematical points like ucha

> ,neecha and even gulika/mrityu sputa etc all r based on a fixed rasi

> chart .where as if we can use kaul's version then path is moving and

> grahas moving and nakshtras moving tho mathematicaly graha position ( i

> mean stithi ) point is same in both concepts which has diffrnt

> parameters ,so logicaly mathematicaly both may b correct apparently but

> cannot compromise because acccording his concept or supporting

> arguemnts will take us to think that the road and vehicles both r moving

> ( zodiac is moving back and grahas are moving forward ) .So when some

> one is travelling we hav to say delhi has come to him than he reached to

> delhi by road ,still the question of timing such purticular event in

> advance how it is possible when both r moving ??why we need to

> complicate every thing ??

>

> so i hope malla ji may revise his views .

>

> also according to vedic concept the vishnu nabhi is important in

> thinking abt creation of universe and here the moola nakshtra ( as it is

> base or root ) and jyeshta ( eldest one ) is also has to b considered as

> based on it all nakshtra concept is based than some one interpret some

> vedic mantras as kritikati naksktras in some time of vedic periods is

> the strting point ,it has diffrnt meaning may b ,and vishuva bindu

> cannot b a strting point when thinking abt creation of universe as it is

> the basis of rai chakra ( rahu -sikhi chakra )

>

> so many things accepted as vedic will b diffrnt frm kaulian argumnts

> and i dont think ther is any chance of reconciling both arguemnts .

>

> so he has only 2 choice .either discard his arguemnts or go ahed

> without any use except name calling and a chance to call astrologers as

> frauds in the name of a impractical calender ,like wat he was doing for

> almost quarter century .

>

> let us forget abt he abused ancient rishies / acharyas and dharma gurus

> and sankaracharyas .Also haunting any one who is interested in astrology

> by gate crashing technics and guerrilla technics .

>

> rgrds sunil nair .

>

> Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh "

> sreesog@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Hari Malla ji,

> > //> Thank you for the frank reply.He does seem to have one thing which

> > most of us lack.This is devotion to his purpose of calender reform.//

> > Sorry.. I think this itself is the very thing he lacks! He is NOT

> > devoted to the purpose of calendar reform, but just to the his

> roadside

> > rowdy bad mouth attitude against astrologers and astrology alone. If

> > ever he been dedicated to the subject of Vedic calender reform even

> for

> > at least 3 months or so he would have prepared the the skeleton frame

> > work of the same, and also might have written good descriptive article

> > about its components, organization, co-relation, purpose etc. He is

> yet

> > to implement even these tasks, which a knowledeable individual who may

> > dedicate 3 months to this subject may do. This not only prove that he

> is

> > incapable, but also that he got NO DEVOTION to the purpose of vedic

> > calender reform. Mark it.

> > // I have requested him .... Hopefully he may agree....... I think it

> > may be worthwhile to talk and negotiate.//

> > Hopes are always good. Whether it be Sunil Nair ji, Sunil

> > Bhattacharjya ji or Me, we all once had a respect for this man, which

> we

> > all lost in due course during our repeated interactions with that foul

> > mouth, without constructive attitude and respect for the contributions

> > of our ancistors. You can have your turn, and wish you all the best in

> > your sincere efforts.

> > //If he comes to term with somethng which is commonly acceptable why

> not

> > go along with him?//

> > Yes, certainly if he wish he can join us and come along with. Or if

> > you wish you can join him and go along with. But the point is the

> > purpose of evey stream, school of knowledge and individuals differ and

> > the group is just a meeting place. The true contributions are always

> > done by individuals and is individualistic. This being so - neither I

> > need the help of Kaul nor Kaul need the help of me. The same could be

> > true about the contibution of anyone with in this group or outside.

> > //After all we must divide our work.//

> > Have your ever tried it (especially related astrological research)?

> > And what was the result? What are the lessons you learned from that

> > experience? We all would be eager to know. If you have ever tried

> > the same, you would sure be able to answer those questions. But if you

> > haven't ever tried the same - then your advice does not hold any

> water.

> > Any way I am in support of that statement, but at times when it

> comes

> > to astrological research, I don't find anyone to divide my work with!

>

> > May be I may change this opinion as I see more sincere at the same

> time

> > knowledgeable individuals.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Hari Malla

> > harimalla@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > > Thank you for the frank reply.He does seem to have one thing which

> > most of us lack.This is devotion to his purpose of calender reform.

> > After all we must divide our work.If he comes to term with somethng

> > which is commonly acceptable why not go along with him?

> > > I feel we can work something which harmonises all, which keeps up

> our

> > nirayan tradition and also correct the times of festivals.The rashis

> > must continue, as much of our religious literature and the present

> > jyotish system is based and has been written using them. I have

> > requested him not try to get rid of the rashis and also tolerate the

> > nirayan system in a coordinated fashion with the sayan system.

> > > Hopefully he may agree.I have not been in contact with him for some

> > time.Shree Sunil Bahatacharyaji, thinks he may not agree overnight.But

> I

> > think it may be worthwhile to talk and negotiate.thank you..

> > > Sincerely yours,

> > > Hari Malla

> >

>

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