Fw: RE: Fwd: Introduction to Vedic Calendar

[Guest guest]

dear sreenadh ji

 

 

 

what to say abt this fake dharma pravarthakas who uses all lies and

distortions and even goes to the extent of misquoting everything again

in this name of protecting hindu dharma .

 

This man who ever may b does not know that we ( me and sanjay rath )

dont hav any personal enmity and me and my wife had visted shri sanjay

Rath ji at his residence in delhi near ganga ram hospital ,even listend

his clases many times . But he was not running around that time like

this calender fruads .He is frm a diffrnt parampara and i am a diffrnt

parampara and we respect each other and will agree on wat may b true

with our exprnce with reality .

 

This man shud understand he is interacting with a grp of real men than

hiding behind some id and propogate the evil missions in the name of

protecting hindu dharma >even this happend ( i mean the reply of sanjay

ji ) when some one edited and cross posted some of my mails than he read

my real mail

 

Now see his arguemnts even in this mail ( empty vessels make more sound

,is it not true ?? )

 

dear malla ji ( or who ever u r )

 

Ur eagerness in spreading lies shows u r none other than kaul

re-incarnated ( avatara ) as he gone officialy on vacation because i

asked many questions which he cannot answer .Even told him to explain 2

shlokas in surya sidhantha ( which he says monstrous error ) But

suddenly he got personal reasons and took leav ( this happens every time

when me or my students ask him anything to proov )

 

now ur arguemnts

 

1)lunar months are 12 months ,

 

means he dont know all months wheter it is nakshtra or thithi based (

both lunar ) or rotation and evolution of earth based or rising to

rising of sun per day based ( both solar ) or even jupiterian rasi

transit based or what ever it is including political calenders has 12

months .

 

2) christians uses solar months

 

frm where on this earth he got this information i dont know ,May be he

will b considered in next nobal prize

 

3) in panchangas sun is not mentioned

 

untimate foolery ,if thithi/nithya yoga is mentioned ,if hindus

considers day starts frm sun rise than moon rise time and panchangas is

5 limbs spl for the day-day is frm the word diva and dinakara/divakara

is sun ( even during vedic periods or later vedanga jyothisha periods )

then wat to say abt this fools who dont know any basics of panchangas

even and quotes only those christian missionaries like maxmuller or

burgess or many such persons ( all of them where finnced by british

goverment to study and find some reasons to defame hinduism,those days

,maxmuller disclosed after he switch over hindu paksha that he was paid

1,50,000 indian ruppees those days frm british east india company per

year and even they paid pundits to interpolate many books -so they

removed many pages frm many books and placed diffrnt sanskrit shlokas in

those pages ) in the name of protecting hindu vedas and own their own

they dont hav any understanding of it .But all those hard work of those

ppl ( i mean maxmullar and company ) was a boon in disguise and they hav

to show to the world many many books other wise would hav gone into

history .Even many books lying idle is not got attention frm any

scholars due to the fact that there is no state protection or any

sponsorships available tho u can get funding for even street dogs

protection .( i hope dogs will excuse me and will not join in grp in

fake id and attack me )

 

4) In our culture there is no solar months

 

---------------------------

 

answer u can guess it frm abov mentioned points .( panchangas is for a

day than a month and even lunar month is not mentioned in panchanga,s (

i mean when write 5 parts of the day ) where as frm kalidina to solar

and lunar months r mentioned in natal charts ,even those pundits of yore

make charts once they hear the birthdata of nativs without even

consulting ephimeries But they r trained in classical way of gurukula

and sanskrit )

 

Even he dont hav any proof and this means he dont know why adik masas

came into use which is even mentioned in rigveda .( Tho he claims he

read every thing frm cover to cover )

 

 

 

I think it is high time to use moderaters axe for this frauds

..Now allowed to show to the grp their worth and calibre .

 

I hav deep gratitude for them because of their evil and unethical

mission hindu astrology got more strenght and solid base and footing (

as it giv others opportunity to investigate more and ask us many

doubts and now almost 100s of articles is ready and will b published one

by one in this grp and our web page ) because we cud able to proov and

even understand more abt its antiquity and worth and even the amazing

intelligence our ancient rishi acharyas has shown .

 

so all the wishes for u in ur evil missions as u already prooved u

cannot make one lunatic calender based on the specification laid down

by u itself

 

 

 

rgrds sunil nair

 

 

 

Dear Hari Malla ji,

You said -

//Sunil Nairji was right in quoting the vedas that, months came from the

moon.//

Don't make a fool of yourself! Sunil Nari ji never stated so. His

opinion was that - //,so always solar and saura calender's can happen

first // and then only Lunar months came into existence. Please don't

twist the statemets by scholars like Sunil Nair ji, to fit your wish and

will. That is not only unethical, but also shows your lack of sincerety.

Regards,

Sreenadh

 

 

 

, Hari Malla

<harimalla wrote:

 

Dear Sanjaya Rathji and Sunil nairji,

Sunil Nairji was right in quoting the vedas that, months

came from the moon.It is also important that the year comes from the sun

and the months come from the moon.Thus both are equally important for us

in the vedas.Thus the system of coordinating the sun and the moon by the

adhimas system.that is our original system, to coordinate both. Taking

only one is not our system.It is only the system of christians to take

only the sun and the moslem to take only the moon.We take both at the

same time.Thus by coordinating both the sun and the moon our

soli-lunar system only is capable to produce world peace.They have

to adopt our coordinating system after some time, if they want world

peace.

About the 12 Adityas, please note that they are not solar months.The

adityas are the centre of the luanr months.We should understand that

even the lunar months are 12 every year and no more.The lunar months are

natural because, the moon makes one circle every month around the

earth.The centre we are told is the earth, which isnot eactly the truth.

In the exact sense the centre of the luner orbit is the aditya,encircled

every month.Thus at the centre of each lunar month we have one

aditya.It also comes from the lunar months.Taht is why inthe religiosu

festvals we have to take by lunar month,not by soalr month.Also please

note that out of th five parts of our panchangas, the solar month is

not listed.Thus the solar months is not part of our culture.But the

solar year is part of our culture.Thank you,

sincerely yours,

Hari Malla

 

 

 

 

________________________________

sunil nair astro_tellerkerala

 

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:13:40 PM

Re: Fw: RE: Fwd:

Introduction to Vedic Calendar

 

 

 

 

 

Â

dear sanjay rath ji

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *

The question is to the statement of Mr Sunil Nair that Lunar months

precede the solar months, which even if we think logically

 #####Â

 my personal opinion is i always is a civilisation when devlps frm a

wandering tribes to settled agricultural soceity ( here i am even

agreeing Marxian thoughts )  and for farming and

agriculture  as it is river civilisations the seasons and

then the question of flooding of rivers and tides etc will happens ,so

without solar and lunar concepts ( later one ) it is not possible ,so

always solar and saura calender's can happen first ,even rasi concepts

is month of ( 12 ) the total year ,may b later got defenite meanings and

characteristics and even adhipathya etc

here i am thinking logicaly than sticking some thing religiously and

quoting like a parrot

so if the article has givn such meaning sorry for it where as its

meantioned in first para itself abt ayanas and soltice ,equinox etc

Â

with personal regrds sunil nair

Â

Â

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Prashanth Nair

<prashanthnair999@ ...> wrote:

>

>

>

> --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Sanjay Rath sjrath@ wrote:

>

> Sanjay Rath sjrath@

> RE: Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Introduction

to Vedic Calendar

> sohamsa@ .com

> Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 3:10 AM

 

> Dear Goel sahib

> Thats not the question of Sri Hari Mall. The enquiry is as to why the

names of Madhava etc are solar months when the original names came from

lunar months. The problem is in defining what came first †"

solar or lunar months. Actually we do not know what came first but do

know that the four types of months are listed in the Vishnu

Puräìa and other vedic literature. The question is to the

statement of Mr Sunil Nair that Lunar months precede the solar months,

which even if we think logically, cannot be right as the original

division of the bha-chakra was done by Sürya into 12 solar months

and in the vedas Vishnu is a solar deity as well which is made more

explicit in the puranic literature †" Vushnu being the last

Äditya of the 12 äditya and the creator of Pisces,

hence Paramam Padam.

> Best Regards

> Sanjay Rath

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

ppl please read this dog's mail

 

he has proved nothing and saying i have done this, i have done this

 

he has to abuse everybody now he has started with Hari

 

keep agression inside of you ow i will force that inside of you, bloody dog

 

bloody shit, what you have proved till now

 

only foolish talks

 

he just talks on his forum and when somebody talks on it he delete his mails

 

he is terrorist

 

he has no knowledge of any calendar , no ayanamsah, he has read nothing

 

i will take out your eye balls  i will fill it with acid 

 

Raam milaya jodi, ek andha ek kodi

 

 

--- On Fri, 24/4/09, prashanthnair999 <prashanthnair999 wrote:

 

 

prashanthnair999 <prashanthnair999

[vedic astrology] Re: Re: Fw: RE:

Fwd: Introduction to Vedic Calendar

sohamsa , vedic astrology

Friday, 24 April, 2009, 4:40 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear sreenadh ji

 

what to say abt this fake dharma pravarthakas who uses all lies and

distortions and even goes to the extent of misquoting everything again

in this name of protecting hindu dharma .

 

This man who ever may b does not know that we ( me and sanjay rath )

dont hav any personal enmity and me and my wife had visted shri sanjay

Rath ji at his residence in delhi near ganga ram hospital ,even listend

his clases many times . But he was not running around that time like

this calender fruads .He is frm a diffrnt parampara and i am a diffrnt

parampara and we respect each other and will agree on wat may b true

with our exprnce with reality .

 

This man shud understand he is interacting with a grp of real men than

hiding behind some id and propogate the evil missions in the name of

protecting hindu dharma >even this happend ( i mean the reply of sanjay

ji ) when some one edited and cross posted some of my mails than he read

my real mail

 

Now see his arguemnts even in this mail ( empty vessels make more sound

,is it not true ?? )

 

dear malla ji ( or who ever u r )

 

Ur eagerness in spreading lies shows u r none other than kaul

re-incarnated ( avatara ) as he gone officialy on vacation because i

asked many questions which he cannot answer .Even told him to explain 2

shlokas in surya sidhantha ( which he says monstrous error ) But

suddenly he got personal reasons and took leav ( this happens every time

when me or my students ask him anything to proov )

 

now ur arguemnts

 

1)lunar months are 12 months ,

 

means he dont know all months wheter it is nakshtra or thithi based (

both lunar ) or rotation and evolution of earth based or rising to

rising of sun per day based ( both solar ) or even jupiterian rasi

transit based or what ever it is including political calenders has 12

months .

 

2) christians uses solar months

 

frm where on this earth he got this information i dont know ,May be he

will b considered in next nobal prize

 

3) in panchangas sun is not mentioned

 

untimate foolery ,if thithi/nithya yoga is mentioned ,if hindus

considers day starts frm sun rise than moon rise time and panchangas is

5 limbs spl for the day-day is frm the word diva and dinakara/divakara

is sun ( even during vedic periods or later vedanga jyothisha periods )

then wat to say abt this fools who dont know any basics of panchangas

even and quotes only those christian missionaries like maxmuller or

burgess or many such persons ( all of them where finnced by british

goverment to study and find some reasons to defame hinduism,those days

,maxmuller disclosed after he switch over hindu paksha that he was paid

1,50,000 indian ruppees those days frm british east india company per

year and even they paid pundits to interpolate many books -so they

removed many pages frm many books and placed diffrnt sanskrit shlokas in

those pages ) in the name of protecting hindu vedas and own their own

they dont hav any understanding of it .But all those hard work of those

ppl ( i mean maxmullar and company ) was a boon in disguise and they hav

to show to the world many many books other wise would hav gone into

history .Even many books lying idle is not got attention frm any

scholars due to the fact that there is no state protection or any

sponsorships available tho u can get funding for even street dogs

protection .( i hope dogs will excuse me and will not join in grp in

fake id and attack me )

 

4) In our culture there is no solar months

 

------------ --------- ------

 

answer u can guess it frm abov mentioned points .( panchangas is for a

day than a month and even lunar month is not mentioned in panchanga,s (

i mean when write 5 parts of the day ) where as frm kalidina to solar

and lunar months r mentioned in natal charts ,even those pundits of yore

make charts once they hear the birthdata of nativs without even

consulting ephimeries But they r trained in classical way of gurukula

and sanskrit )

 

Even he dont hav any proof and this means he dont know why adik masas

came into use which is even mentioned in rigveda .( Tho he claims he

read every thing frm cover to cover )

 

I think it is high time to use moderaters axe for this frauds

...Now allowed to show to the grp their worth and calibre .

 

I hav deep gratitude for them because of their evil and unethical

mission hindu astrology got more strenght and solid base and footing (

as it giv others opportunity to investigate more and ask us many

doubts and now almost 100s of articles is ready and will b published one

by one in this grp and our web page ) because we cud able to proov and

even understand more abt its antiquity and worth and even the amazing

intelligence our ancient rishi acharyas has shown .

 

so all the wishes for u in ur evil missions as u already prooved u

cannot make one lunatic calender based on the specification laid down

by u itself

 

rgrds sunil nair

 

Dear Hari Malla ji,

You said -

//Sunil Nairji was right in quoting the vedas that, months came from the

moon.//

Don't make a fool of yourself! Sunil Nari ji never stated so. His

opinion was that - //,so always solar and saura calender's can happen

first // and then only Lunar months came into existence. Please don't

twist the statemets by scholars like Sunil Nair ji, to fit your wish and

will. That is not only unethical, but also shows your lack of sincerety.

Regards,

Sreenadh

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Hari Malla

<harimalla@. ..> wrote:

 

Dear Sanjaya Rathji and Sunil nairji,

Sunil Nairji was right in quoting the vedas that, months

came from the moon.It is also important that the year comes from the sun

and the months come from the moon.Thus both are equally important for us

in the vedas.Thus the system of coordinating the sun and the moon by the

adhimas system.that is our original system, to coordinate both. Taking

only one is not our system.It is only the system of christians to take

only the sun and the moslem to take only the moon.We take both at the

same time.Thus by coordinating both the sun and the moon our

soli-lunar system only is capable to produce world peace.They have

to adopt our coordinating system after some time, if they want world

peace.

About the 12 Adityas, please note that they are not solar months.The

adityas are the centre of the luanr months.We should understand that

even the lunar months are 12 every year and no more.The lunar months are

natural because, the moon makes one circle every month around the

earth.The centre we are told is the earth, which isnot eactly the truth.

In the exact sense the centre of the luner orbit is the aditya,encircled

every month.Thus at the centre of each lunar month we have one

aditya.It also comes from the lunar months.Taht is why inthe religiosu

festvals we have to take by lunar month,not by soalr month.Also please

note that out of th five parts of our panchangas, the solar month is

not listed.Thus the solar months is not part of our culture.But the

solar year is part of our culture.Thank you,

sincerely yours,

Hari Malla

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...

ancient_indian_ astrology

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:13:40 PM

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Fw: RE: Fwd:

Introduction to Vedic Calendar

 

Â

dear sanjay rath ji

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *

The question is to the statement of Mr Sunil Nair that Lunar months

precede the solar months, which even if we think logically

 #####Â

 my personal opinion is i always is a civilisation when devlps frm a

wandering tribes to settled agricultural soceity ( here i am even

agreeing Marxian thoughts )  and for farming and

agriculture  as it is river civilisations the seasons and

then the question of flooding of rivers and tides etc will happens ,so

without solar and lunar concepts ( later one ) it is not possible ,so

always solar and saura calender's can happen first ,even rasi concepts

is month of ( 12 ) the total year ,may b later got defenite meanings and

characteristics and even adhipathya etc

here i am thinking logicaly than sticking some thing religiously and

quoting like a parrot

so if the article has givn such meaning sorry for it where as its

meantioned in first para itself abt ayanas and soltice ,equinox etc

Â

with personal regrds sunil nair

Â

Â

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Prashanth Nair

<prashanthnair999@ ...> wrote:

>

>

>

> --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Sanjay Rath sjrath@ wrote:

>

> Sanjay Rath sjrath@

> RE: Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Introduction

to Vedic Calendar

> sohamsa@ .com

> Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 3:10 AM

 

> Dear Goel sahib

> Thats not the question of Sri Hari Mall. The enquiry is as to why the

names of Madhava etc are solar months when the original names came from

lunar months. The problem is in defining what came first †"

solar or lunar months. Actually we do not know what came first but do

know that the four types of months are listed in the Vishnu

Puräìa and other vedic literature. The question is to the

statement of Mr Sunil Nair that Lunar months precede the solar months,

which even if we think logically, cannot be right as the original

division of the bha-chakra was done by Sürya into 12 solar months

and in the vedas Vishnu is a solar deity as well which is made more

explicit in the puranic literature †" Vushnu being the last

Äditya of the 12 äditya and the creator of Pisces,

hence Paramam Padam.

> Best Regards

> Sanjay Rath

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

I left AIA due to abusive behaviour of Mr Chandrahari, Sreenadh, & c, but here I

must say Mr Sunil Nair is here right in pointing out Mr Hari Malla's errors. Mr

Malla is determined to destroy calendar and Vedic astrology ; he is immune to

mathematical proofs and citations from authentic sources, and sticks to his

false arguments of a maximum 15 degree ayanamsha like a jihaadi. he does not

know that his lunar month is itself solar, because it is not the sidereal lunar

lunar month he wants but the synodical month and it is based upon Moon's motion

with reference to Sun.

 

I do not fear abuses for stating the Truth, I have had enough from the team of

Sunil Nair, will now I get some from Bingo Ji ?? Or will Mr Bingo help in

maintaining some decorum in fora ?? Please.

 

-VJ

 

============ ==============

 

 

________________________________

Bingo Bingo <bingo.bingo78

vedic astrology

Friday, April 24, 2009 5:25:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Re: Fw: RE:

Fwd: Introduction to Vedic Calendar

 

 

 

 

 

ppl please read this dog's mail

 

he has proved nothing and saying i have done this, i have done this

 

he has to abuse everybody now he has started with Hari

 

keep agression inside of you ow i will force that inside of you, bloody dog

 

bloody shit, what you have proved till now

 

only foolish talks

 

he just talks on his forum and when somebody talks on it he delete his mails

 

he is terrorist

 

he has no knowledge of any calendar , no ayanamsah, he has read nothing

 

i will take out your eye balls i will fill it with acid

 

Raam milaya jodi, ek andha ek kodi

 

 

--- On Fri, 24/4/09, prashanthnair999 <prashanthnair999@ > wrote:

 

prashanthnair999 <prashanthnair999@ >

[vedic astrology] Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Fw: RE:

Fwd: Introduction to Vedic Calendar

sohamsa@ .com, vedic astrology

Friday, 24 April, 2009, 4:40 AM

 

dear sreenadh ji

 

what to say abt this fake dharma pravarthakas who uses all lies and

distortions and even goes to the extent of misquoting everything again

in this name of protecting hindu dharma .

 

This man who ever may b does not know that we ( me and sanjay rath )

dont hav any personal enmity and me and my wife had visted shri sanjay

Rath ji at his residence in delhi near ganga ram hospital ,even listend

his clases many times . But he was not running around that time like

this calender fruads .He is frm a diffrnt parampara and i am a diffrnt

parampara and we respect each other and will agree on wat may b true

with our exprnce with reality .

 

This man shud understand he is interacting with a grp of real men than

hiding behind some id and propogate the evil missions in the name of

protecting hindu dharma >even this happend ( i mean the reply of sanjay

ji ) when some one edited and cross posted some of my mails than he read

my real mail

 

Now see his arguemnts even in this mail ( empty vessels make more sound

,is it not true ?? )

 

dear malla ji ( or who ever u r )

 

Ur eagerness in spreading lies shows u r none other than kaul

re-incarnated ( avatara ) as he gone officialy on vacation because i

asked many questions which he cannot answer .Even told him to explain 2

shlokas in surya sidhantha ( which he says monstrous error ) But

suddenly he got personal reasons and took leav ( this happens every time

when me or my students ask him anything to proov )

 

now ur arguemnts

 

1)lunar months are 12 months ,

 

means he dont know all months wheter it is nakshtra or thithi based (

both lunar ) or rotation and evolution of earth based or rising to

rising of sun per day based ( both solar ) or even jupiterian rasi

transit based or what ever it is including political calenders has 12

months .

 

2) christians uses solar months

 

frm where on this earth he got this information i dont know ,May be he

will b considered in next nobal prize

 

3) in panchangas sun is not mentioned

 

untimate foolery ,if thithi/nithya yoga is mentioned ,if hindus

considers day starts frm sun rise than moon rise time and panchangas is

5 limbs spl for the day-day is frm the word diva and dinakara/divakara

is sun ( even during vedic periods or later vedanga jyothisha periods )

then wat to say abt this fools who dont know any basics of panchangas

even and quotes only those christian missionaries like maxmuller or

burgess or many such persons ( all of them where finnced by british

goverment to study and find some reasons to defame hinduism,those days

,maxmuller disclosed after he switch over hindu paksha that he was paid

1,50,000 indian ruppees those days frm british east india company per

year and even they paid pundits to interpolate many books -so they

removed many pages frm many books and placed diffrnt sanskrit shlokas in

those pages ) in the name of protecting hindu vedas and own their own

they dont hav any understanding of it .But all those hard work of those

ppl ( i mean maxmullar and company ) was a boon in disguise and they hav

to show to the world many many books other wise would hav gone into

history .Even many books lying idle is not got attention frm any

scholars due to the fact that there is no state protection or any

sponsorships available tho u can get funding for even street dogs

protection ..( i hope dogs will excuse me and will not join in grp in

fake id and attack me )

 

4) In our culture there is no solar months

 

------------ --------- ------

 

answer u can guess it frm abov mentioned points .( panchangas is for a

day than a month and even lunar month is not mentioned in panchanga,s (

i mean when write 5 parts of the day ) where as frm kalidina to solar

and lunar months r mentioned in natal charts ,even those pundits of yore

make charts once they hear the birthdata of nativs without even

consulting ephimeries But they r trained in classical way of gurukula

and sanskrit )

 

Even he dont hav any proof and this means he dont know why adik masas

came into use which is even mentioned in rigveda .( Tho he claims he

read every thing frm cover to cover )

 

I think it is high time to use moderaters axe for this frauds

...Now allowed to show to the grp their worth and calibre .

 

I hav deep gratitude for them because of their evil and unethical

mission hindu astrology got more strenght and solid base and footing (

as it giv others opportunity to investigate more and ask us many

doubts and now almost 100s of articles is ready and will b published one

by one in this grp and our web page ) because we cud able to proov and

even understand more abt its antiquity and worth and even the amazing

intelligence our ancient rishi acharyas has shown .

 

so all the wishes for u in ur evil missions as u already prooved u

cannot make one lunatic calender based on the specification laid down

by u itself

 

rgrds sunil nair

 

Dear Hari Malla ji,

You said -

//Sunil Nairji was right in quoting the vedas that, months came from the

moon.//

Don't make a fool of yourself! Sunil Nari ji never stated so. His

opinion was that - //,so always solar and saura calender's can happen

first // and then only Lunar months came into existence. Please don't

twist the statemets by scholars like Sunil Nair ji, to fit your wish and

will. That is not only unethical, but also shows your lack of sincerety.

Regards,

Sreenadh

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Hari Malla

<harimalla@. ..> wrote:

 

Dear Sanjaya Rathji and Sunil nairji,

Sunil Nairji was right in quoting the vedas that, months

came from the moon.It is also important that the year comes from the sun

and the months come from the moon.Thus both are equally important for us

in the vedas.Thus the system of coordinating the sun and the moon by the

adhimas system.that is our original system, to coordinate both. Taking

only one is not our system.It is only the system of christians to take

only the sun and the moslem to take only the moon.We take both at the

same time.Thus by coordinating both the sun and the moon our

soli-lunar system only is capable to produce world peace.They have

to adopt our coordinating system after some time, if they want world

peace.

About the 12 Adityas, please note that they are not solar months.The

adityas are the centre of the luanr months.We should understand that

even the lunar months are 12 every year and no more.The lunar months are

natural because, the moon makes one circle every month around the

earth.The centre we are told is the earth, which isnot eactly the truth.

In the exact sense the centre of the luner orbit is the aditya,encircled

every month.Thus at the centre of each lunar month we have one

aditya.It also comes from the lunar months.Taht is why inthe religiosu

festvals we have to take by lunar month,not by soalr month.Also please

note that out of th five parts of our panchangas, the solar month is

not listed.Thus the solar months is not part of our culture.But the

solar year is part of our culture.Thank you,

sincerely yours,

Hari Malla

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...

ancient_indian_ astrology

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:13:40 PM

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Fw: RE: Fwd:

Introduction to Vedic Calendar

 

Â

dear sanjay rath ji

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *

The question is to the statement of Mr Sunil Nair that Lunar months

precede the solar months, which even if we think logically

 #####Â

 my personal opinion is i always is a civilisation when devlps frm a

wandering tribes to settled agricultural soceity ( here i am even

agreeing Marxian thoughts )  and for farming and

agriculture  as it is river civilisations the seasons and

then the question of flooding of rivers and tides etc will happens ,so

without solar and lunar concepts ( later one ) it is not possible ,so

always solar and saura calender's can happen first ,even rasi concepts

is month of ( 12 ) the total year ,may b later got defenite meanings and

characteristics and even adhipathya etc

here i am thinking logicaly than sticking some thing religiously and

quoting like a parrot

so if the article has givn such meaning sorry for it where as its

meantioned in first para itself abt ayanas and soltice ,equinox etc

Â

with personal regrds sunil nair

Â

Â

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Prashanth Nair

<prashanthnair999@ ...> wrote:

>

>

>

> --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Sanjay Rath sjrath@ wrote:

>

> Sanjay Rath sjrath@

> RE: Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Introduction

to Vedic Calendar

> sohamsa@ .com

> Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 3:10 AM

 

> Dear Goel sahib

> Thats not the question of Sri Hari Mall. The enquiry is as to why the

names of Madhava etc are solar months when the original names came from

lunar months. The problem is in defining what came first †"

solar or lunar months. Actually we do not know what came first but do

know that the four types of months are listed in the Vishnu

Puräìa and other vedic literature. The question is to the

statement of Mr Sunil Nair that Lunar months precede the solar months,

which even if we think logically, cannot be right as the original

division of the bha-chakra was done by Sürya into 12 solar months

and in the vedas Vishnu is a solar deity as well which is made more

explicit in the puranic literature †" Vushnu being the last

Äditya of the 12 äditya and the creator of Pisces,

hence Paramam Padam.

> Best Regards

> Sanjay Rath

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

Bingo bingo,

 

Leave astrolgy to the more evolved souls u just concentrate

 

on getting your language right. Somebody who uses the language you do

 

has no business and standing in discussions of a higher order.

 

 

 

I fail to understand how anybody could use this kind of language. If this is the

state

 

of members maybe we should forget about all this and concentrate in atleast

becoming

 

human beings first.

 

 

 

.... and wonder what the moderator is doing about this.

 

Vats

 

 

vedic astrology

bingo.bingo78

Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:25:33 +0530

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Re: Fw: RE:

Fwd: Introduction to Vedic Calendar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ppl please read this dog's mail

 

he has proved nothing and saying i have done this, i have done this

 

he has to abuse everybody now he has started with Hari

 

keep agression inside of you ow i will force that inside of you, bloody dog

 

bloody shit, what you have proved till now

 

only foolish talks

 

he just talks on his forum and when somebody talks on it he delete his mails

 

he is terrorist

 

he has no knowledge of any calendar , no ayanamsah, he has read nothing

 

i will take out your eye balls i will fill it with acid

 

Raam milaya jodi, ek andha ek kodi

 

 

--- On Fri, 24/4/09, prashanthnair999 <prashanthnair999 wrote:

 

prashanthnair999 <prashanthnair999

[vedic astrology] Re: Re: Fw: RE:

Fwd: Introduction to Vedic Calendar

sohamsa , vedic astrology

Friday, 24 April, 2009, 4:40 AM

 

dear sreenadh ji

 

what to say abt this fake dharma pravarthakas who uses all lies and

distortions and even goes to the extent of misquoting everything again

in this name of protecting hindu dharma .

 

This man who ever may b does not know that we ( me and sanjay rath )

dont hav any personal enmity and me and my wife had visted shri sanjay

Rath ji at his residence in delhi near ganga ram hospital ,even listend

his clases many times . But he was not running around that time like

this calender fruads .He is frm a diffrnt parampara and i am a diffrnt

parampara and we respect each other and will agree on wat may b true

with our exprnce with reality .

 

This man shud understand he is interacting with a grp of real men than

hiding behind some id and propogate the evil missions in the name of

protecting hindu dharma >even this happend ( i mean the reply of sanjay

ji ) when some one edited and cross posted some of my mails than he read

my real mail

 

Now see his arguemnts even in this mail ( empty vessels make more sound

,is it not true ?? )

 

dear malla ji ( or who ever u r )

 

Ur eagerness in spreading lies shows u r none other than kaul

re-incarnated ( avatara ) as he gone officialy on vacation because i

asked many questions which he cannot answer .Even told him to explain 2

shlokas in surya sidhantha ( which he says monstrous error ) But

suddenly he got personal reasons and took leav ( this happens every time

when me or my students ask him anything to proov )

 

now ur arguemnts

 

1)lunar months are 12 months ,

 

means he dont know all months wheter it is nakshtra or thithi based (

both lunar ) or rotation and evolution of earth based or rising to

rising of sun per day based ( both solar ) or even jupiterian rasi

transit based or what ever it is including political calenders has 12

months .

 

2) christians uses solar months

 

frm where on this earth he got this information i dont know ,May be he

will b considered in next nobal prize

 

3) in panchangas sun is not mentioned

 

untimate foolery ,if thithi/nithya yoga is mentioned ,if hindus

considers day starts frm sun rise than moon rise time and panchangas is

5 limbs spl for the day-day is frm the word diva and dinakara/divakara

is sun ( even during vedic periods or later vedanga jyothisha periods )

then wat to say abt this fools who dont know any basics of panchangas

even and quotes only those christian missionaries like maxmuller or

burgess or many such persons ( all of them where finnced by british

goverment to study and find some reasons to defame hinduism,those days

,maxmuller disclosed after he switch over hindu paksha that he was paid

1,50,000 indian ruppees those days frm british east india company per

year and even they paid pundits to interpolate many books -so they

removed many pages frm many books and placed diffrnt sanskrit shlokas in

those pages ) in the name of protecting hindu vedas and own their own

they dont hav any understanding of it .But all those hard work of those

ppl ( i mean maxmullar and company ) was a boon in disguise and they hav

to show to the world many many books other wise would hav gone into

history .Even many books lying idle is not got attention frm any

scholars due to the fact that there is no state protection or any

sponsorships available tho u can get funding for even street dogs

protection .( i hope dogs will excuse me and will not join in grp in

fake id and attack me )

 

4) In our culture there is no solar months

 

------------ --------- ------

 

answer u can guess it frm abov mentioned points .( panchangas is for a

day than a month and even lunar month is not mentioned in panchanga,s (

i mean when write 5 parts of the day ) where as frm kalidina to solar

and lunar months r mentioned in natal charts ,even those pundits of yore

make charts once they hear the birthdata of nativs without even

consulting ephimeries But they r trained in classical way of gurukula

and sanskrit )

 

Even he dont hav any proof and this means he dont know why adik masas

came into use which is even mentioned in rigveda .( Tho he claims he

read every thing frm cover to cover )

 

I think it is high time to use moderaters axe for this frauds

...Now allowed to show to the grp their worth and calibre .

 

I hav deep gratitude for them because of their evil and unethical

mission hindu astrology got more strenght and solid base and footing (

as it giv others opportunity to investigate more and ask us many

doubts and now almost 100s of articles is ready and will b published one

by one in this grp and our web page ) because we cud able to proov and

even understand more abt its antiquity and worth and even the amazing

intelligence our ancient rishi acharyas has shown .

 

so all the wishes for u in ur evil missions as u already prooved u

cannot make one lunatic calender based on the specification laid down

by u itself

 

rgrds sunil nair

 

Dear Hari Malla ji,

You said -

//Sunil Nairji was right in quoting the vedas that, months came from the

moon.//

Don't make a fool of yourself! Sunil Nari ji never stated so. His

opinion was that - //,so always solar and saura calender's can happen

first // and then only Lunar months came into existence. Please don't

twist the statemets by scholars like Sunil Nair ji, to fit your wish and

will. That is not only unethical, but also shows your lack of sincerety.

Regards,

Sreenadh

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Hari Malla

<harimalla@. ..> wrote:

 

Dear Sanjaya Rathji and Sunil nairji,

Sunil Nairji was right in quoting the vedas that, months

came from the moon.It is also important that the year comes from the sun

and the months come from the moon.Thus both are equally important for us

in the vedas.Thus the system of coordinating the sun and the moon by the

adhimas system.that is our original system, to coordinate both. Taking

only one is not our system.It is only the system of christians to take

only the sun and the moslem to take only the moon.We take both at the

same time.Thus by coordinating both the sun and the moon our

soli-lunar system only is capable to produce world peace.They have

to adopt our coordinating system after some time, if they want world

peace.

About the 12 Adityas, please note that they are not solar months.The

adityas are the centre of the luanr months.We should understand that

even the lunar months are 12 every year and no more.The lunar months are

natural because, the moon makes one circle every month around the

earth.The centre we are told is the earth, which isnot eactly the truth.

In the exact sense the centre of the luner orbit is the aditya,encircled

every month.Thus at the centre of each lunar month we have one

aditya.It also comes from the lunar months.Taht is why inthe religiosu

festvals we have to take by lunar month,not by soalr month.Also please

note that out of th five parts of our panchangas, the solar month is

not listed.Thus the solar months is not part of our culture.But the

solar year is part of our culture.Thank you,

sincerely yours,

Hari Malla

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...

ancient_indian_ astrology

Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:13:40 PM

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Fw: RE: Fwd:

Introduction to Vedic Calendar

 

Â

dear sanjay rath ji

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *

The question is to the statement of Mr Sunil Nair that Lunar months

precede the solar months, which even if we think logically

 #####Â

 my personal opinion is i always is a civilisation when devlps frm a

wandering tribes to settled agricultural soceity ( here i am even

agreeing Marxian thoughts )  and for farming and

agriculture  as it is river civilisations the seasons and

then the question of flooding of rivers and tides etc will happens ,so

without solar and lunar concepts ( later one ) it is not possible ,so

always solar and saura calender's can happen first ,even rasi concepts

is month of ( 12 ) the total year ,may b later got defenite meanings and

characteristics and even adhipathya etc

here i am thinking logicaly than sticking some thing religiously and

quoting like a parrot

so if the article has givn such meaning sorry for it where as its

meantioned in first para itself abt ayanas and soltice ,equinox etc

Â

with personal regrds sunil nair

Â

Â

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Prashanth Nair

<prashanthnair999@ ...> wrote:

>

>

>

> --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Sanjay Rath sjrath@ wrote:

>

> Sanjay Rath sjrath@

> RE: Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Introduction

to Vedic Calendar

> sohamsa@ .com

> Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 3:10 AM

 

> Dear Goel sahib

> Thats not the question of Sri Hari Mall. The enquiry is as to why the

names of Madhava etc are solar months when the original names came from

lunar months. The problem is in defining what came first †"

solar or lunar months. Actually we do not know what came first but do

know that the four types of months are listed in the Vishnu

Puräìa and other vedic literature. The question is to the

statement of Mr Sunil Nair that Lunar months precede the solar months,

which even if we think logically, cannot be right as the original

division of the bha-chakra was done by Sürya into 12 solar months

and in the vedas Vishnu is a solar deity as well which is made more

explicit in the puranic literature †" Vushnu being the last

Äditya of the 12 äditya and the creator of Pisces,

hence Paramam Padam.

> Best Regards

> Sanjay Rath

>