Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Sorry for the wrong key presses earlier. As far as I understand Ashtakvarga from my traditions/ jyotish teachers it is simply an tool for quantitative measurement tools to measure the cooperation among the planets. The subtelities of desires for conflict and control over the available tangible/intangible resources are taken care by the rasi/graha drishti and principles of Argala. Using the seven planets and their desires/ influences we are able to calculate the sum total of planetary cooperation in relation to any of the bhava lagna or the 1st bhava; 2nd bhava as well as all the other bhava or houses; Rather than stretching the verses of the BPHS why not sit at the feet of some traditional jyotish to clear our doubts. In India we have a systmatic traditions maintaing the valuable resources of Jyotish. Almost in all parts of India we find the community of GrahaBipra or Jyotish as a separate sub-caste of Brahmins who are master in the subjects of jyotish and pursuing it since at least hundreds of generations. It is understood that the basic principles of ashtakavarga is replicated to assess the strengthe and weakness of planets and their influences like Raja Yoga/ Mahapurusha Yoga as well as other yogas in the horoscopes/ strength of each of the bhava etc. Two major traditional uses I am sharing here; (1) In our humble opinion, we have seen traditional jyotish preparing sum of positive ashtakvarga point for all seven planets taking each of them as lagna/ starting point of aries- which didnot finds mention either in the books of Dr. Raman, Shree CS Patel or Mr Rajiv Jhanji or any other books on Ashtakvarg published so far. Of course I have known PVR Narshima Rao using this in his classes/teachings (2) The replication of Ashtakavarga as used by the GrahaBipra communities to assess the overall cumulative planetary influences on all the 12 houses or bhava or strength of Raja Yoga etc. is not the same cut and paste of Ashtakavarga used to asses planetary cooperations as given in BPHS or Brihat Jataka, but a little bit oversimplified and modified one. Any Traditional Grah Bipra (Jyotish) available here may please come forward to share your valuable wisdom here and enlighten us ! With regards and best wishes, Mrutyunjay Tripathy (Consultancy out of group is not free) vedic astrology , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > >  G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 > Monday, 27 April, 2009 6:16:49 PM > Re: AV > > > Dear Jha ji, > There is no occosion to mention that I consider you off the mark. >  You raised a quarry on internet and I replied according to my understanding. > I do not think that I need to change my views on this issue as yet. > You are wellcome to draw your own infrences , moreover I have not said that you are wrong. > Why are you always in fighting mood or mode? > Mr C.S Patel also of this thinking , I do not find him wrong. > Regards, >  G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > ________________________________ > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 > Sunday, 26 April, 2009 10:21:14 PM > Re: AV > > > Goel Ji, > > According to BPHS chapter on Aahtakavarga (verses 63-70), Lagna-ashtaka-varga (LAV) gives " dots and lines (ie,happiness and sorrows) " andnot merely longevity. BPHS nowhere says AV excludes LAV in SAV. On the contrary, first verse in chapter-72 says ( " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " ) " sarva-ashtaka-phalam nyaset " , ie " add the phala of ALL ashtakas " . These two citations from BPHS are enough to dispel doubts about the use of LAV resulting from its absence in chapter 70 in which seven ashtaka-vargas are illustrated in details while the outcome of Lagna-ashtaka-varga is not illustrated separately. It is because seven planets have special effects depending upon their position vis-a-vis Lagna. Verses 63-70 make it clear that position of current Lagna and planets wrt birth Lagna gives " dots and lines (ie,happiness and sorrows) "  which changes at every two hours approximately and makes it difficult to use LAV in actual > practice manually (without computers). Initial verse of chapter removes all doubts, where " all "  BAVs are ordered to be used in SAV. > > But it is wrong to assume that LAV has no outcome at all, because verses 63-70 clearly say LAV has outcome for the native. It clearly infers that if current lagna is in so many houses from the birth lagna, so and so will be the results. > > It is evident from your reply that you regard me " off the mark " not only in Ganita but also in Phalita. I had mentioned ( " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " ) which you perhaps did not see. I cannot accept modern wisdom against rishi-vaakya. There are some other " off-the mark " institutions who regard my works as " on the mark " : > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Credentials > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/NASA%27s_Report%3B_%26_my_Paper_accepted_by\ _CAOS%2C_IISc > http://jyotirvidya..wetpaint.com/page/Vinay_Jha > > Regards. > > -VJ > ====================== ======================= > > > > > ________________________________ > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 > Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:28:32 PM > Re: AV > > > Dear Jhaa ji, > You have raised the interesting quarries on Astakvarga system. > Name Ashakvarga is derived from the fact that as every planet gives > auspicious and inauspicious results taking either Ascending or Moon sign, > similarly ,it should be assessed from reaming six planets leaving aside Lunar > Nodes.As such we get eight points - Lagna and 'Sun to Saturn ' with  reference to which, > the transit results are accessed.As such their are  seven charts and each house of these > seven charts can get total 8 points consisting of sum of dots (bad ) and Rekhas (good). > > Kindly refer shloka 10 and 11 of 1st chapter on Astakvarga of BPHS.' Astakvarga decided > on one hand 'the happiness and sorrows' and on other hand 'the longevity -Aysha' > The Lagna Varga is constructed to ascertain longevity. > This is the reason Bphs has given 7 charts of dots of seven planets and then 7 chars of rekhas > of seven planets to ascertain happiness and sorrows.Thereafter Parasara gives dual chart pf bindus and rekhas > for Lagna seperately to ascertain longevity. > In the last Chapter on Astakvarga , Parasara shows the use of Lagna astakvarga chart to ascertain Ayuradaya- > If one cycle is complete then another cycle will commence ,The death is predicted by Marka principles. >    If seven charts are used , total number of good Rekhas will work out 337 and to this Lagna chart is added > the total good rekhas work out 386. > Their is some difference in Bphs and Brihat Jatak vis a vis Jatak Parijat,JH HORA gives all options to choose. > > BPHS IS A MONUMENTAL DOCUMENT AND HAD EVEN LAID THE FOUNDATION OF NADI SHASHTRA- > PARTICULARLY DHRUV AND CHANDRA KALA NADI.SOME SAVANTS FEEL THIS IS AN ORDINARY DOCUMENT ..NO ONE CAN FULLY COMPREHEND IT IN ONE LIFE TIME. >  > Regards, > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > ________________________________ > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 > gkgoel1937 > Friday, 24 April, 2009 7:00:21 PM > AV > > To Goel Ji, > > I sent following private message to some fora members : > > <<<I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna. > > Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight vargas. > > Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ?>>> > ------------------ ------------------ > I got following reply from Ash : > > <<<Dear Vinay ji, > > JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga. > > After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the total. > > When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8. > > I think, you are getting confused in the calculation. > > So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro/. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca>>> > ------------------ ------------------ > My answer was : > > <<<I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of SAV. > > BPHS clearly says : " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV. > > What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded, where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ?? > > I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance.>>> > > -VJ > ================== ================= > > > ________________________________ > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! > > ________________________________ > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! > > > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition http://downloads./in/firefox/?fr=om_email_firefox > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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