[hc] Historicity Of Rashis in India - Kumbh Mela

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dear comedian sunil nair

 

you say as written below

 

> The Two Ayanas :

>

> The 6 month time period is recognized as DakshiNaayanam and the

> remaining

> six month starting is UttarAyaNam .

 

now tell us the real meaning of makar sankranti

 

by the way you have already eatten your vomit by producing one mail related to

calendar based on ayans

 

but we dont understand why you create so many fake ids like sreedhan nambiar,

prashanth nair, sudhir menon

 

and even you have created most disgusting character on this earth named chandra

hari

 

forget about sunil bhattacharya, he is the biggest comedian on this earth, but

he takes himself as accharya

 

you and your jokermandali are awesome

 

hinducivilization, " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala

wrote:

>

> Fwd: Re: Historicity Of Rashis in India - Kumbh Mela

>

>

>

> dear sunil bhattacharjya ji

>

>

>

> thanks for ur mail and sorry for late reply as i was busy

>

>

>

> let us forget AKK and his D -Gangs and even this hari mall ji who just

> wanted to twist and misquote even without doing his home work perfectly

> or properly as i never find he has any regards for ganita nor veda's .

>

> There is mention of rasies in vedanga jyothisha but vedanga jyothisha

> was primarly and may b mainly written to support vedic rituals where as

> numerous references are their directly or indirectly in vedas ,vedangas

> and upangas ,even in ayurvedic texts and many other indian sastras

> ,even in brahmanakas ,upanishaths ,aranyaksas ,puranas and ithihasas

> .But the problem is stray references as none of this deals with

> astrology or astronomy ( a arguemnt which kaulins forgets easily and

> willfully ) And astrological litterature in sanskrit and other indian

> language s is envious .

>

>

>

> i said many time and prooved also without rasies solar months

> calculations which is the indirect basis of adhika masas and khaya masas

> cannot b possible with the parameters provided in vedanga jyothisha

> itself ( Tho it is assigned to Lagadha Muni but written by one of his

> sisya in his gurukula parampara ) and but it is used in rig vedic

> period itself as there is reference in it ,In rig vedic period itself

> they hav awareness and they already done a calender based on it

> considering seasons and it s months and ritu periods ,solar moths and

> solar yr and lunar mansions ,full moon ,newmoon periods ,eclipses and

> even lunar months ( which soli -lunar or luni -solar ) and they to

> adjust with solar yr they considered adhik masas and kshaya masas ( and

> its basis is sun in a rasi which is solar month too ) so to make it

> perfect mathematicaly they designed this Yuga concept of 5 yrs ,each

> year is named as samvatsara , parivalsara ,ida valsara ,anu valsara iva

> valsara etc to complete yuga concept they included this masas as

> amhaspathi and samasarpa

>

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -\

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -\

> ----------

>

> let us get acquainted at a basic

> level with some definitions and background of this nomenclature .

> .

> First , Let us list the names of Soura

> and ChAndra Maasams that make up an year :

>

> Souram(365 days) Chaandra Maasam (354 days

>

> 1.Mesha : Chittari---- --Chaithra: Chaithram

> 2.Vrushabha: VaikAsi-- ---VaisAka: VaisAkam

> 3.Mithunam :Aani------- -JyEshta: JyEshtam

> 4.Karkatakam: Aadi----- --- AashAda: AshAdam

> 5.Simha: AavaNi------ -- SrAvaNa:SrAvaNam

> 6.kanyA: PurattAsi--- -- BhAdrapAdha: BhAdrapAdham

> 7.TulA: Iyppasi----- --- Aasvayuja:Aasvayuja m

> 8.Vruscchika: Kaarthikai- Kaarthika: Kaarthikam

> 9.Dhanu: Maargazhi--- ---Maargaseersha :Maargaseersham

> 10.Makara:Tai- --------- -Pousha:( tEsha:)/Pushyam

> 11.Kumbha:Maasi- --------Maaga: Maagam

> 12.Meena:Panguni- -------Paalguna: Paalgunam ( i included Tamil months too

> ,in kerala we call the rasi months as rasi months only sun in mesha is

> mesha maasam for keralites )

>

> The Two Ayanas :

>

> The 6 month time period is recognized as DakshiNaayanam and the

> remaining

> six month starting is UttarAyaNam .

>

>

> . Ruthus :

>

> This 12 month period is split in to six two month

> time divisions : Vasantha ,

> Greeshma , Varsha

> Saraddth ,Hemantha ,

> and Sisira Ruthus .This is under

> the Soura system or solar calendar Along with seasons .

>

> .Maasams( Months) :

>

>

>

> Three kinds of Mala Maasams:

>

>

>

> These are (1) Athimaasam (2)samasarpamaasam and

> 3) amhaspathi maasaam .They have some dhoshas

> fro the observance of selected karmas .

>

> The above three kinds of months are hence known as

> Mala maasams and there are restrictions on

> doing subha kaaryams in these months or portions

> of these Months . Rest of the Months are amalaa (blemishless)

> months for performance of subha Kaaryams . In a mala maasam ,

> where two Full moons or two New moons occur , then that

> month is not fit for any subha kaaryam .Vasantha ruthu is

> the only exception ,where its two months ( mesha

> and rishaba ) have no mala maasa dhoshams at all and hence

> all subha kaaryams can done in these two months .

>

> Another exception is for samskarams like

> pumsavanam ( done in the certain month of Conception )

> or anna prasanam ( first feeding of solid food for the child

> done after the sixth month of birth) , no mala maasa

> restrcitions apply here as well .

>

> 1: When two amavasya 's (New Moon ) occur in any one

> of the Soura Maasam , that maasam is called

> an ATHI MAASAM .

>

> .2: When there are two Maasa Pirappu ( beginning

> of two months ) in a chandhra Maasam ,then that

> Maasam is known as AMHASPATHI MAASAM .Usually ,

> it occurs in the chandhra maasam of Kaarthikam or scorpio solar mnoth .

>

> .3 : The month before Amhaspathi maasam is

> known as Samsarpa Maasam . One can do karmAnushtana' s

> in this month ( Karma Samsarpathi ithi) and

> hence , the name .

>

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -\

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -\

> ---------

>

> So this mathematical model which tried to reflect maximum of reality has

> the veidc sanction too and it proovs beyond doubt that rasies where used

> since vedic periods and the refernce in rig veda 1-25-8 says " Maso

> dridhavaratho Dwadasa prajavata: vedaya upajayathe " also says abt what

> ever i mentioned above .

>

>

>

> other wise all kaulians simply joke at every body and even i see u r

> asked to proov rama and krishna and dating veda's ,this and that ,as

> they dont hav a real aim nor idea of updating a calender ( since last

> 25 yrs ) and ppl like us dont need any of their help too who calls all

> rishies and acharyas as frauds and giving all leneince to other cultures

> so as to say we lifted frm them where as they dont hav any reference to

> show us or any supporting documnts unless claims called studies of some

> christian or western so called scholars who wants to limit every thing

> according their geneology which says it started biblical chronologies

> means even adam is born around BC 4400 or so ,so how it can b possible

> rig veda or any veda beyond that scope of time frame ,so they find ways

> to put anything with least possible minimum time by raising all kinds of

> doubts .

>

>

>

> kaulians are trying to date any famous text which shows the acceptance

> of astrology in the society Long back and it is well rooted ( as by

> reading itself we can undestand that it is written with an assumption

> that others know abt various other things abt astronomy or astrology )

> But they take as the day of publication of text is the day knowledge is

> originated or travelled to india than seeing the incubation period and

> then gone tru various paramparas till the text is made available to

> public as many texts r still kept secret and almost 5 lacs manuscripts

> are still waiting for termites which has mention of various other

> sastras or litterature .But kaulians are happy abt that and they r not

> even worried abt all those things ,because they r afraid of further

> reference or new discoveries which can topple their 25 yr old theoreys

> .So not ready to accept even anything beyond their arguemnt .

>

> But they made a wrong approach in coming to us with their arguemnts and

> now cooling their heels in the pretext of i am out of town for one month

> to giv technical details of their magic calender which dont hav any

> rasies or degrees or even the imgainary belt ( as he calls jokingly )

> zodiac ,which it self proovs he dont know even basic concepts abt simple

> mathematics ( without abstract models no theorey can discuss in

> mathematics )

>

>

>

> it is also prooved beyond doubt that that greeks ( alexandrian greeks )

> dont know abt the numbers beyond 10 raised 4 called ayutha-miridian ( i

> dont know how to put 4 abov 10 by computer typing ) where as in

> yajurveda itself discuss unlimited patterns of numerical discriptions

> .upto parardha ( there is reference till about 10 raised by 12 ) where

> as in samhita period upto 10 raised 32 ) i am talking abt recordical

> proofs available ,but not that how we build big cities and its proofs

> which beyond imagination and is ready for any scholars .)

>

>

>

> even various scholar's put rig vedic period frm BC 4000 to BC 10000 with

> available records even some old sanskrit writings has un earthed which

> has carbon dated ( which has a error of 2500 yrs ) BC 3000 ,and still

> many more proofs may come out ,so i am sure the nature and time itself

> will dig a grave for their wilful deliberate so called calender

> arguemnts designed to destroy astrologia of indians .U already know the

> fate of aryan tourist theorey ( which even devided indian phych and even

> there is dravida political parties in south [] )

>

>

>

> thanks and rgrds sunil nair

>

>

>

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjy a@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil Nairji,

> >

> > Yes. The concept of Rashis is very very old. Rashis are mentioned in

> the Vedas as I wrote in one of my mail and Sreenadhji mentioned about

> the " Meena " rashi in the Vedanga Jyotisha. I am sure AKK had read about

> that but you will not be surprised if AKK continues to play his old CD

> that Rashis are not in the Veda / Vedanga.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Friday, May 8, 2009 6:20:46 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: [hc] Re: Historicity Of Rashis in India - Kumbh

Mela

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear comedian sunil nair

 

you say as written below

 

> The Two Ayanas :

>

> The 6 month time period is recognized as DakshiNaayanam and the

> remaining

> six month starting is UttarAyaNam .

 

now tell us the real meaning of makar sankranti

 

by the way you have already eatten your vomit by producing one mail related to

calendar based on ayans

 

but we dont understand why you create so many fake ids like sreedhan nambiar,

prashanth nair, sudhir menon

 

and even you have created most disgusting character on this earth named chandra

hari

 

forget about sunil bhattacharya, he is the biggest comedian on this earth, but

he takes himself as accharya

 

you and your jokermandali are awesome

 

hinducivilization, " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala

wrote:

>

> Fwd: Re: Historicity Of Rashis in India - Kumbh Mela

>

>

>

> dear sunil bhattacharjya ji

>

>

>

> thanks for ur mail and sorry for late reply as i was busy

>

>

>

> let us forget AKK and his D -Gangs and even this hari mall ji who just

> wanted to twist and misquote even without doing his home work perfectly

> or properly as i never find he has any regards for ganita nor veda's .

>

> There is mention of rasies in vedanga jyothisha but vedanga jyothisha

> was primarly and may b mainly written to support vedic rituals where as

> numerous references are their directly or indirectly in vedas ,vedangas

> and upangas ,even in ayurvedic texts and many other indian sastras

> ,even in brahmanakas ,upanishaths ,aranyaksas ,puranas and ithihasas

> .But the problem is stray references as none of this deals with

> astrology or astronomy ( a arguemnt which kaulins forgets easily and

> willfully ) And astrological litterature in sanskrit and other indian

> language s is envious .

>

>

>

> i said many time and prooved also without rasies solar months

> calculations which is the indirect basis of adhika masas and khaya masas

> cannot b possible with the parameters provided in vedanga jyothisha

> itself ( Tho it is assigned to Lagadha Muni but written by one of his

> sisya in his gurukula parampara ) and but it is used in rig vedic

> period itself as there is reference in it ,In rig vedic period itself

> they hav awareness and they already done a calender based on it

> considering seasons and it s months and ritu periods ,solar moths and

> solar yr and lunar mansions ,full moon ,newmoon periods ,eclipses and

> even lunar months ( which soli -lunar or luni -solar ) and they to

> adjust with solar yr they considered adhik masas and kshaya masas ( and

> its basis is sun in a rasi which is solar month too ) so to make it

> perfect mathematicaly they designed this Yuga concept of 5 yrs ,each

> year is named as samvatsara , parivalsara ,ida valsara ,anu valsara iva

> valsara etc to complete yuga concept they included this masas as

> amhaspathi and samasarpa

>

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -\

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -\

> ----------

>

> let us get acquainted at a basic

> level with some definitions and background of this nomenclature .

> .

> First , Let us list the names of Soura

> and ChAndra Maasams that make up an year :

>

> Souram(365 days) Chaandra Maasam (354 days

>

> 1.Mesha : Chittari---- --Chaithra: Chaithram

> 2.Vrushabha: VaikAsi-- ---VaisAka: VaisAkam

> 3.Mithunam :Aani------- -JyEshta: JyEshtam

> 4.Karkatakam: Aadi----- --- AashAda: AshAdam

> 5.Simha: AavaNi------ -- SrAvaNa:SrAvaNam

> 6.kanyA: PurattAsi--- -- BhAdrapAdha: BhAdrapAdham

> 7.TulA: Iyppasi----- --- Aasvayuja:Aasvayuja m

> 8.Vruscchika: Kaarthikai- Kaarthika: Kaarthikam

> 9.Dhanu: Maargazhi--- ---Maargaseersha :Maargaseersham

> 10.Makara:Tai- --------- -Pousha:( tEsha:)/Pushyam

> 11.Kumbha:Maasi- --------Maaga: Maagam

> 12.Meena:Panguni- -------Paalguna: Paalgunam ( i included Tamil months too

> ,in kerala we call the rasi months as rasi months only sun in mesha is

> mesha maasam for keralites )

>

> The Two Ayanas :

>

> The 6 month time period is recognized as DakshiNaayanam and the

> remaining

> six month starting is UttarAyaNam .

>

>

> . Ruthus :

>

> This 12 month period is split in to six two month

> time divisions : Vasantha ,

> Greeshma , Varsha

> Saraddth ,Hemantha ,

> and Sisira Ruthus .This is under

> the Soura system or solar calendar Along with seasons .

>

> .Maasams( Months) :

>

>

>

> Three kinds of Mala Maasams:

>

>

>

> These are (1) Athimaasam (2)samasarpamaasam and

> 3) amhaspathi maasaam .They have some dhoshas

> fro the observance of selected karmas .

>

> The above three kinds of months are hence known as

> Mala maasams and there are restrictions on

> doing subha kaaryams in these months or portions

> of these Months . Rest of the Months are amalaa (blemishless)

> months for performance of subha Kaaryams . In a mala maasam ,

> where two Full moons or two New moons occur , then that

> month is not fit for any subha kaaryam .Vasantha ruthu is

> the only exception ,where its two months ( mesha

> and rishaba ) have no mala maasa dhoshams at all and hence

> all subha kaaryams can done in these two months .

>

> Another exception is for samskarams like

> pumsavanam ( done in the certain month of Conception )

> or anna prasanam ( first feeding of solid food for the child

> done after the sixth month of birth) , no mala maasa

> restrcitions apply here as well .

>

> 1: When two amavasya 's (New Moon ) occur in any one

> of the Soura Maasam , that maasam is called

> an ATHI MAASAM .

>

> .2: When there are two Maasa Pirappu ( beginning

> of two months ) in a chandhra Maasam ,then that

> Maasam is known as AMHASPATHI MAASAM .Usually ,

> it occurs in the chandhra maasam of Kaarthikam or scorpio solar mnoth .

>

> .3 : The month before Amhaspathi maasam is

> known as Samsarpa Maasam . One can do karmAnushtana' s

> in this month ( Karma Samsarpathi ithi) and

> hence , the name .

>

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -\

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -\

> ---------

>

> So this mathematical model which tried to reflect maximum of reality has

> the veidc sanction too and it proovs beyond doubt that rasies where used

> since vedic periods and the refernce in rig veda 1-25-8 says " Maso

> dridhavaratho Dwadasa prajavata: vedaya upajayathe " also says abt what

> ever i mentioned above .

>

>

>

> other wise all kaulians simply joke at every body and even i see u r

> asked to proov rama and krishna and dating veda's ,this and that ,as

> they dont hav a real aim nor idea of updating a calender ( since last

> 25 yrs ) and ppl like us dont need any of their help too who calls all

> rishies and acharyas as frauds and giving all leneince to other cultures

> so as to say we lifted frm them where as they dont hav any reference to

> show us or any supporting documnts unless claims called studies of some

> christian or western so called scholars who wants to limit every thing

> according their geneology which says it started biblical chronologies

> means even adam is born around BC 4400 or so ,so how it can b possible

> rig veda or any veda beyond that scope of time frame ,so they find ways

> to put anything with least possible minimum time by raising all kinds of

> doubts .

>

>

>

> kaulians are trying to date any famous text which shows the acceptance

> of astrology in the society Long back and it is well rooted ( as by

> reading itself we can undestand that it is written with an assumption

> that others know abt various other things abt astronomy or astrology )

> But they take as the day of publication of text is the day knowledge is

> originated or travelled to india than seeing the incubation period and

> then gone tru various paramparas till the text is made available to

> public as many texts r still kept secret and almost 5 lacs manuscripts

> are still waiting for termites which has mention of various other

> sastras or litterature .But kaulians are happy abt that and they r not

> even worried abt all those things ,because they r afraid of further

> reference or new discoveries which can topple their 25 yr old theoreys

> .So not ready to accept even anything beyond their arguemnt .

>

> But they made a wrong approach in coming to us with their arguemnts and

> now cooling their heels in the pretext of i am out of town for one month

> to giv technical details of their magic calender which dont hav any

> rasies or degrees or even the imgainary belt ( as he calls jokingly )

> zodiac ,which it self proovs he dont know even basic concepts abt simple

> mathematics ( without abstract models no theorey can discuss in

> mathematics )

>

>

>

> it is also prooved beyond doubt that that greeks ( alexandrian greeks )

> dont know abt the numbers beyond 10 raised 4 called ayutha-miridian ( i

> dont know how to put 4 abov 10 by computer typing ) where as in

> yajurveda itself discuss unlimited patterns of numerical discriptions

> .upto parardha ( there is reference till about 10 raised by 12 ) where

> as in samhita period upto 10 raised 32 ) i am talking abt recordical

> proofs available ,but not that how we build big cities and its proofs

> which beyond imagination and is ready for any scholars .)

>

>

>

> even various scholar's put rig vedic period frm BC 4000 to BC 10000 with

> available records even some old sanskrit writings has un earthed which

> has carbon dated ( which has a error of 2500 yrs ) BC 3000 ,and still

> many more proofs may come out ,so i am sure the nature and time itself

> will dig a grave for their wilful deliberate so called calender

> arguemnts designed to destroy astrologia of indians .U already know the

> fate of aryan tourist theorey ( which even devided indian phych and even

> there is dravida political parties in south [] )

>

>

>

> thanks and rgrds sunil nair

>

>

>

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjy a@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil Nairji,

> >

> > Yes. The concept of Rashis is very very old. Rashis are mentioned in

> the Vedas as I wrote in one of my mail and Sreenadhji mentioned about

> the " Meena " rashi in the Vedanga Jyotisha. I am sure AKK had read about

> that but you will not be surprised if AKK continues to play his old CD

> that Rashis are not in the Veda / Vedanga.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

>

 

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