Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009  G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA ----- Forwarded Message ---- Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 Cc: astrologyandremedies Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 12:50:07 PM Re: LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy Dear Varun ji.. A female was  born on Nov15, 1942 at 10.05 PM IST (not war time) Aligarh UP She has Ketu in 8H and Mercury in 4H,(Adrishya half). She was blessed with son on Feb7,1964 at 13. 57 hrs at Kanpur in her 22th year of age Her son is healthy and earning well. Lalkitab dictum is working very well. I find dictum of lalkitab are infallible. Regards,  G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA ________________________________ varun_trvd <varun_trvd Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 11:49:17 AM LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy Respected Kursija ji, Sir, you are most welcome to seek clarifications on the Lal Kitab concepts and principles. I will always try to answer to the best of my ability. With Respect and regards, Varun Trivedi , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@. ..> wrote: > > Respected Varun Ji, > > Thanks for bearing me and your patience to reply. > > Regards > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote: > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy > > Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:02 AM > > Respected Kursija ji, > > In Lal Kitab janma kundali also it is not possible for venus to be in opposition to mercury. It is only in a varsh phal kundali that venus can be 7 houses apart from mercury or the sun. You would be aware that the Lal Kitab varsh kundali is not based on Varsh pravesh, instead it is based on the planetary positions laid down for each year according to the houses they occupy in the janma kundali. Venus can also be 7 houses apart from mercury in a Janma kundali prepared with the help of palmistry. > > In order to understand the nature of mercury you may have to go to the Lal Kitab itself. When I said that the ‘chal and buniyad’ is to be corrected and ‘It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it’ ; or when I talked of ‘lalami’ I was referring to lines 7-19 of page 233 of 1942 urdu ed of the book. In order to understand the entire context you have to go through that passage. The explanation was not forced as you seem to believe. I will never force an explanation; I consider it academically unethical. I always keep close to the spirit of the book. > > No, I did not forget the Ketu in 8th dictum ‘bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein…’, I had quoted it myself in my previous answer. > > Whether the combination of mars + ketu or mars + venus would be good or bad will depend on the nature of Mars. Since the sun and mercury are together, mars should act benefic. Yes mercury alone in the 9th is ‘kodhi’ but the results get modified when with the sun. > > For Mars in the 8th house, though in its pakka ghar, the Lal Kitab suggests upaya for it. Had mars been non-remediable the book would not have suggested the upaya for it. > > No, you have not commented wrongly. As a matter of fact I love such discussions. These discussions help us keep abreast with the book and make us think. > > I welcome your inquisitiveness. I hope that you will continue posting such queries in the future also. > > With respect and regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@ ..> wrote: > > > > Respected Sh Varun ji, > > Thanks for sparing your valuable time for my query. But I am sorry to write that being follower of Parashar system, I am not able to understand Mercury of Laal Kitab. In Laal Kitab Mercury can be in opposition to Venus which is not possible in Astronomy. Mercury+Ketu, Mercury+Venus in " Muthi Bandha ke gharo me "  Mercury_Jupiter, Mercury+Mars are malefic in laal Kitab irrespective of any house. While discussing remedy for Sun+Ketu, " lal goli of iron " you wrote that for Mercury > > the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected. " How a planet which gives the results of his conjunct ed planet can correct the Chaal and Buniyad of other planet. > > More over why is the necessity of Saturn iron to separated the Lalima of Sun? Sun and Mars are friend, Sun is karaka and other is lord of the house. Both will go hand in hand. How one can enter political field with out the courage of Mars, lalima? The explanation apprears to be forced. > > Ketu in 8th you forget the dictu m of laal Kitab “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. The combination of Ketu and Mars and Venus and Mars in 8th be beneficial? Mercury in the 9th house is Kodi when with other planets Mars in 8the is in his pakka house. Can we change the nature of the planet in his pakka ghara. > > I have little knowledge of Laal Kitab, You are the master. I beg apology if I have commented wrongly. > > regards. > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy > > > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 5:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kursija ji, > > > > Ketu placed in the 8th house will not be malefic for progeny per se unless it is afflicted. Ketu in the 8th has been described as “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. I am aware of the dictum that ketu is kujvat and Rahu shanivat. > > > > Yes, it can delay progeny depending on where the mercury is placed. If mercury is placed in the adrashta ardha [ house 1 to 6 ] then the jatak is likely to beget a son before the age 34 years and such a son is long lived. If the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha [ house 7 to 12] then the birth of a son might get delayed and be born after the age of 34 years. If the Ketu in the 8th is slightly afflicted and the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha then the sonmight be born even around 45 -48 years. > > > > Mars, venus and ketu in the 8th house; with the sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this combination Mars becomes shubh because the sun and the mercury are together. Therefore the combination basically becomes shubh mars + Venus + ketu. Although the Mars + ketu combination in the 8th house is considered as bad, there might be some saving grace because of mars being shubha. The best upaya would be getting the ear pierced and wear a gold stud or wire for 96 hours at least. There can be quite a few alternative upaya. Since we do not discuss upaya in this group, I will not go into them. > > > > Sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this case these planets will give their own effect and that too benefic. Because of the presence of the mercury, there will be no hostility between the sun and the Saturn. Yes, this combination will adversely affect the Jupiter and its significations. In that case the upaya for Jupiter will have to be done so that it is protected against any adverse effect of this combination in the 9th house. > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > Thanks for the prompt reply and explanations. If you allow me I would like to put some more querey regarding Ketu Son, as the children are the result of our prevous karma. > > > Ket is fiery and Tamsic being like Mars but shishya/deciple  of Jupiter. > > >  > > > Ketu in 8th is always malefic for the children, son. If there is son to the native, the native will always be worried about him. If the Ketu is with Mars and Venus in 8th, Ketu will be established, What Mars Venus and Rahu will do? and what should be the remedy when Sun, Mercury and Saturn are also in the 9th i.e. 2nd to Ketu the house of Takrar, maraka > > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy > > > > > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:52 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kursija ji, > > > > > > The upaya discussed is for Ketu as such when afflicting the sun. > > > > > > If the Sun is in the 7th house while the Ketu is in the 1st house, then the sun would be afflicted by the rahu being in the 7th. In this case the upaya will have to be done for all the three; for ketu to restore the brilliance of the sun, for the sun to strengthen it, and for the rahu in the 7th. > > > > > > Yes, the Lal Kitab says that after the marriage there could be a possibility of Ketu going ‘manda’. In this situation the Saturn would automatically help, if not a saturn upaya will be helpful. To my mind the marriage establishes a Venus [ rahu + ketu ]. Therefore it is the establishing of the rahu component which could result in making the Ketu behave ‘manda’. > > > > > > [ 2 ] If the Ketu is in the 5th house, the Jupiter should be well placed; and the planets inimical to Jupiter should not be in the adjacent houses or in the 12th house the house of conflict [ takrav] > > > When ketu is placed in the 5th with mercury and Jupiter in the 6th a parivartan takes place. Jupiter becomes malefic. Ketu in the company of mercury gets manda. In this situation even the placement of moon or/and sun in the adjacent houses may not be able to help. Jupiter in the 6th as such can cause the breathing trouble. > > > > > > When the planets inimical to Jupiter like venus, mercury etc are placed in 2,5,12 then the ‘grahasti sukh’ is likely to be adversely affected. The results of Ketu in the 5th especially the comfort from the sons is likely to be lessened. The 9th house has not been included because the 9th house is not only a pakka house of Jupiter, it also belongs to Jupiter therefore less likely to harm Jupiter and consequently ketu. The 12 house has been included because it is in the 6-8 takrav position from the 5th. The book advises to gift the karak objects of moon and mars to get over this situation.. > > > > > > With respect and regards > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But If the Sun is posited in 7th house, does the same remedy will work? > > > >  > > > > It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad after marriage. > > > >  > > > > 2) The Ketu in the 5th house is not considered bad as 5th is the house of his Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th, 6th or 12th house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e. strong. Venus is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ? > > > >  > > > > If Ketu in 5th is posited with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in 6th.and other planets in 6th i.e. Jupiter in 6th, (ketu) will suffer? Why it gives the disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn posxited in 2nd, 5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not have happiness from his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy > > > > > > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sivraman ji, > > > >  > > > > Lal Kitab says: > > > >  > > > > “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata hai†> > > >  > > > >                                     [ 1942 urdu ed ; page 230] > > > >  > > > > When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [ madhyam] and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a round iron goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an affliction could be a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood pressure, erratic heart beat, etc. > > > >  > > > > The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or when setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness]. Therefore an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that its brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to Mars. > > > >  > > > > The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected. > > > >  > > > > It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun. Therefore the help of Saturn too will be needed. > > > >  > > > > Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars will have to be sought. > > > >  > > > > Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury] painted dull red [mars] > > > >  > > > > Regards, > > > >  > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > , " lshivraman " <lshivraman@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.*Click here!. Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta.cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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