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Dear PP,

 

Hindu calander reforms comitte headed by N C LAHiri was set up by Nehru' govt in

the 50's not 40's as the seqular govt [not secular] wanted Hindus to follow one

clander more for Govt Holidays as diff parts of India used diff calanders tor

festivals effictive since 55 ifi recall right.

 

even in TN for example Krishna ashtami is celeberated on 2 diff dates one

language, culture yet 2 dates.

one is

Krishna ashtami is celebrated on the ashtami day all over India as it is

ashtamai specific on the Krishna aksha of the moon, but Iyangers observe it on

Rohini star day still despite the calander reforms

 

India has 33 different  Ayanamsas/calanders so it is not possible for any govt

togive holidays at will the BUSINES oF GOVERNANCE, ACTTIVITIES WILL SUFFER

 

AND ALSO WE R NOT AS PREVILIGED AS Muslims to observe same festival on thw whims

or eye sight of diff Imans- Delhi 's Imam, chennais' Imam , Mumbais Imam, and

Saudi's Imam can see the same moon's crecent on diff dates so can declatr it on

the day they see as HOLI day so a holiday. no formulas can be applied for them

as is applied for Hindus

 

but the objective is a good one and with a syandard Lahiris which he introduced

as he could not bring a consensus on a unifrom as each of the 33 felt theirs is

superior to others for ASTROLOGICAL PURPOUSE some f the 33 may be close to a

good one for my observation Surya siddhanta, Yukteshwar, Ramans's Bashin are all

close ithin 20-30 min apart but between raman and Lahiri it is 1 deg 26' 26 "

apart Raman -KP is 1 deg 20; apart etc.

It s Nehru's govts action and he liked and belived west was superior to our

Vedic culture.

 

Prashant kumar

 

 

 

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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:14:34 PM

[vedic astrology] Fw: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a

science or a religious myth? in which aspect?

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 18/5/09, Prashant Pandey <praspandey (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

Prashant Pandey <praspandey (AT) (DOT) co.in>

[ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or a religious

myth? in which aspect?

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

Monday, 18 May, 2009, 1:07 PM

 

Truth can't be buried.

 

We got opportunity to reinstate our derailed VEDIC CALENDAR in 40's but

Lahiri(hijacker of VEDAS) cockeyed Hindu Community by his evil Greek's agenda.

That day, when terrorist triumphant agenda of derailing Hindu calendar got green

signal, and our Hindu Dharma got hijacked in the hand of fascist forces (when

Lahiri's Greek calendar had been posed on us), should be celebrated as black day

in-between Hindu Community.

 

It gives solace that we started going wrong not because of our(real Hindu)

manipulations but because of Greeks (who tried to befool us who are not less

than terrorist who tried to breach our Dharmic Scriptures and they got success

and they (their bloody illegal sons of multiple fathers or fascist in-between

Hindu Community) are still waging war against our Hindu Dharma.). Our VEDAS are

supreme and which are standing like unwavering truth and will remain.

 

Those fascist are suited for the same end what Mussolini saw, but it is not easy

as those fascist forces have now strong terrorism outfits and they and their

illegal sons (in masses, because their mothers had no other work just to produce

bullshits in masses on earth to wage war against our VEDAS in future) are

propelling their evil propaganda like storm and they have also come on internet

and are running their groups and they also attack on Hindus, who talk of VEDAS

and PURANS, and their groups. Those illegal creatures on earth are trying to

sell our ancestors and forefathers in the name of evil agendas their faces

should be disfigured and after that we should free our pets to pee on their

faces.

 

We need to be unified and will have to fight against those Greeks converted

terrorists (fascist) and their terror outfits.

 

We should reinstate our VEDIC CALENDAR at any cost.

 

Please come with us and raise the slogan from your roof-tops

 

Jai HINDU, Jai HINDU-VEDAS! !!

 

PS:- If you find any person, not raising that slogan then dick his dirty ass

hard as he may be converted Hindu(fascist and Hijacker of Hindu Dharma) just to

spoil our VEDAS.

 

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, darshaneylokesh@

.... wrote:

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> Dear Shushil Singh Ji, Namastey.

>             Neither astrology is a science

today nor it can ever be

> that. calling astrology a science shows our ignorance about astrology

> and the science both.We should not be emotional for acceptances in

> the name of culture.

>             In earlier days of my astrology

studentship my Guru ji learnt

> me how to fix lagna using  lagna sarinis  (tables) and Janmesht kaal

> He would ask me to take longitudes of the rising Sun and add up the

> ayanamsha and thus to get rising Sayana Sun( perhaps the correct sun)

> .then . . . and finally to deduct same ayanamsha from the arrived

> longitudes of lagna (perhaps wrong lagna)

> to get correct lagna. He was

> a very learned person and truelly speaking, thousands of slokas were on

> his tongue all the time.On his being  alive today then I would have

> certainely asked him -

>               a) Nirayana Sun was not

capable for working out lagna and

> that is why you told me to correct the sun and make that capable for

> further calculations.

>               b) This way I arrived at

the lagna but now this lagna becomes

> wrong because it pertains ayanamsha withi it. The same ayanamsha

> now required  to get snatched out, to purify the lagna. . .?

>               At the local sunrise time

the longitudes of the sun and lagna

> must be equal i.e. one and the same. Now as a home work we can take

> the dates of Basant or the

> Sharad sampat and then share the views

> with others whether the present days astrology is even mathematically

> right or wrong?

>              Everybody must know that no

nakshtra is equal to other.

> Chitra Nakshtra does not cover even the single degree span. Ardra

> covers by about 25 derees span while Uttarabhadra only 5 degrees by

> about. Where such is the case then what may be the sense of

> calculating dashas, Antar dashas on the basis of these wrongly

> introduced nakshtras? Navamsha chart or say kundali, dashamshas

> or any of the shodashvarga is not less than a complete nonsense. Is

> it possible in a science?

>             The zodiac that astrology

accounts and accepts is an

> imaginary zodiac. Astrologers and Science persons, both know this

> fact.  For thse and like many solid reasons, I have since been

> repeatedly emphasing that astrology is a SHASTRA and not more than

> that.

>             However, your suggestion to

astrologers ( perhaps to your

> own also) to do much resarch or hard work is a welcome suggestion.

> I request every body that by wrong panchangas  or say wrong

> datas you cannot reach to the right or say desired goal of Astrology.

> Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak is a serious and sincere effort for

> the sake of a true panchang and then naturally for festivals to be

> observed on right dates.

>              Thanks. Aum sham.

>

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Lokesh                

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> --- On Mon, 11/5/09, sushil Singh <astrosushil@ ...> wrote:

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> sushil Singh <astrosushil@ ...>

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Dear Prashantji,

> My view on-Astrology as a science or myth is different.actually astrology is a

science which is not recognised by so called secular governments. Dr.M.m joshi

gave his best efforts to give much recognition to this science but the the next

government which was so secular that ,it,s leaders consult astrologers but

publically don,t acknowledge this.Problems are with we astrologers also that we

don,t want to do much resarch or hard work,and we are much more indulged in

giving personal predictions only.

>

> when we will be prepared for a group research then no pseudo secular will be

able to argue,or raise questions on us.

>

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         Astrologer sushil kumar singh

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    www.astrosushil. blogspot. com

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>  

> On 5/10/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote:

>

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@

..> wrote:

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> Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> Namaskar!

> U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based

on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

bhava’s in a horoscope. "

>

>

> Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the cost of the

sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that last several

centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people have become bored to

death by such joke being repeated time and again!

>

>

> I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic astrology is

actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no courage to say so openly!

Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going through Rotary.doc in the files section

>

> Regards,

> A K Kaul

> , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405@ > wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

> >

> >

> > Pls read this article written by me.

> >

> > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based on

placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

bhava’s in a horoscope. In good old days Rishi

Munni’s had divya gyan and complete knowledge of the placement

of all the planets through which they could predict and tell everything about

the past, present & future of an individual.

>

> > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is born with

his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his or her past,

present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were keen to know the same

and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji replied that Demigods could know

about their past, present & future through Brahma and the manushya in this

universe will know the same through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio

Data in reality.

>

> > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person in this human

form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him company, so God gave him a

family. Now God said that this person needs money/dhan in order to sustain

himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/

friends/contacts /relatives, so God gave him younger siblings, friends,

relatives, contacts.

>

> > Now with family, money, siblings, and friend’s man needs

some place where he can live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him

house & luxuries. In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present

days it a two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs

intelligence and children for the family to grow. God gave him intelligence and

capability to have children.

>

> > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings, luxuries,

intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if person has all the

comforts of life there will be no difference between hell and heaven so God gave

him sufferings in the form of disease and enemies. Now if a person has

sufferings he needs someone to look after him and he will also have some kind of

lust to enjoy the senses so he gave him a spouse to look after and support and

satisfy our lust.  God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

>

> > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in the form of

fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness to remember God. Then

God said that manushya has to do some kind of karma or activity to sustain

oneself and the family, He gave us various ways of executing our karma by

engaging ourselves in working or doing business and that is how we earn money by

selecting the profession as either working for someonelse(service) or doing our

own profession. God also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever

we do is not 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our

loss.

>

> > In astrology we have twelve houses or bhava’s. From the

first house we see ourselves, from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan,

and from 3rd house we see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the

4th house we see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our

children, from 6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from 7th

house our sexual relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see our

longevity.

>

> > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional service, from

10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th house how will we earn

money by business or working and our 12th house says what will be our losses and

up to what extent.

>

> > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or Surya is the

king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or Chandra is the queen of

all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or Mangal is our defense minister

or our physical strength, our younger siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh

is the Prince of the king and queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or

Brihaspati is the teacher or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge

or gyan and also show our prosperity.  Venus or Shukra is our greed,

lust our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who will

do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise themselves in

the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet & house they sit.

>

> > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs,  moon in 10 yrs,

mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs, Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in

19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These are our maha

dasha’s.

>

> > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells us what are

our good times of life our bad times of our life and our sufferings.

> >  

> > Haresh Nathani

> > Cell +91 9867214103

> > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

>

> > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > Mumbai (India)

> > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> >  

> > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER  CELL +919867214103

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> > Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM

> > Is astrology a science or a religious myth?

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