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May 20, 2009

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the confusion if VedasÂ or our ancestors suded Ayanamsa etc r not valied

just like did they use Bhava charts [chalit charts]

as each area had the factored aspect of ayanamsa built into it

after we started using astronomicaly verifiable EPHEMIRIS -sidereal ones we had

to do the Ayanamsa corrections on Â it to get the NIRAYANA positions -Â depends

on which one. one used max but is inbuilt in the system

if we have the tradiional pachagas model that used UJJAIN AS CENTER of our

calander, calculations it is east or westÂ of Ujjain that they considered and

as there was no sideral calculations all that was done iosÂ Nirayana only

similarly chalit is nothing but true local rasi chart

say a RASI as such can be same for most ofÂ N india or s india or east india but

when we apply IST or any ST the places's Long determines the time diff and

Lagna, sunrise/set tmes will difer say Mumbai, calcutta have 29 Min diff between

them but in actual situation the sun rise, sunset is a lot different say by 4.30

5 pm u can see a sunset in calcutta, Mumbai will have its sunset at 7.30 pr 8 pm

so the use of chalit for the local place matters more due to STANDARD TIME

SAME GOES TO aYANAMSA WHICH IS STANDARD SIDERAL POSITIONS. WITHOUT THE

CORRECTION OF THEÂ Equinoxes which move in a apparent backwards motions per yer

and some point ppl agree it is zero diff ayanamsas use diff zero points/dats.

if we don't useÂ ayanamsas what people claim a sLeo can be a crab in real time

this statement wasÂ also acknowledged by British astronomers few yrs ago during

a eclipse to see the ZODIAC of one behind abovee our head.THAT IS IF Ayanamsa

correction was done will show the right sign above our head which we r used to

in vedic astrology.

BEST WISH ES

Â

G B Prashant Kumar

Pl give personal data withÂ verifableÂ life event dates=jobs, marriage, family,

kids, high/low times. Picture or 2Â for Lagna features checkÂ to my

IDÂ pkgoteti, Services of this astrologer in the group only are FREE!

personal consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, IndiaÂ Â Me

Shuba Vela!

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vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16

vedic astrology

Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:25:56 PM

[vedic astrology] [VA]w: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: Is astrology

a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?-LAHIRI's

Ayanamsha can't be Removed from Vedic Astrology !

To All, esp to G B Prashant Kumar Ji ,

This person " astrolearner_ brazil " is a fake ID of Mr Prashant Pandey,

who owns a small group and is close associate of Mr AK Kaul of Hindu

Calendar group. Mr AK Kaul has almost no knowledge of astrology. Once,

he computed ayanamsha to be at ~47 degrees and abused all modern

astrologers for following a much reduced ayanamsha od 23-24 degrees, I

had to show thim the actual formula and practical method of computation,

after which he dropped all correspondence with me and appointed Mr

Prashant Pandey either to " rectify " me or abuse me away from all forums.

Mr Mr Prashant Pandey has now decided to abuse me away ! I was

astonished to read this nonsense from Mr Prashant Pandey in his previous

post :

<<<<

Ppl can find that in Suryasidhanta Rashi's are tropical though it is

greatest farce in the name of accuracy and ppl can also find that in

Purans, Rashis are tropical and there was no talk of ayanamsha(non-

sense what we see now-a-days like of Fagan, Ramanji, Lahiri, Vamdev etc

etc... has anybody read in any Verse from PURAN that they have said that

they wrote under dot dot dot ayanamsha). ..... Vedic Hindu Calendar has

no place for Ayanamsha atleast. .... i don't follow any zodiac system

(Tropical and Sidereal) for predictions but i use 12 house systems

>>>>

This ignorant fellow does not know that vedic Astrology cannot survive

without ayanamsha. Suryasiddhanta gives clear rules for computing

ayanamsha, yet he is spreading a falsehood that that raashis were

tropical. His uncle Dr Ramchandra Pandey has quoted Puranic verses which

prove that the concept of ayanamsha was present in Puranas :

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(Uttanapaada- putrau-asau medhi-bhooto Dhruvo divi,

sa hi bhraman bhraamayate nityam Chandraadityau grahaih saha.)

" Uttaanapaada' s son Dhruva is fixed like an immovable post in the sky,

(but) Dhruva himself moves, taking alongwith him all planets like Moon

and Sun. "

This motion of Dhruva is a proof of ayanamsha. I have quoted this

Puranic verse from the book of Mr Prashant Pandey's uncle Dr Ramchandra

Pandey (former HOD of BHU). Mr Prashant Pandey should ask his uncle, who

is my friend, for this verse.

Similarly, Suryasiddhanta says

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Ñ€Ð´ÐºÑ€Ð´â–‘Ñ€Ð´â”Ñ€Ð´â–“Ñ€Ð´Ð¾Ñ€ÐµÐÑ€Ð´Ð¼Ñ€Ð´Ð´Ñ€ÐµÐ— " ( trinshat-krityo

yuge bhaanaam

chakre praak parilambate) , which means " the circle of nakshatras

(bhaanam chakra or bhachakra) falls back and forth like pendulum

(pari-lambate) 600 times in a mahaayuga or once in 7200 years) " . The

maximum extent is 27 degrees, and there are four quartets of 1800 years

each. This concept of trepidating ayanamsha was used by all astrologers

of India and West till Renaissance, including Copernicus, after which

orbital precession was superimposed upon trepidating ayanamsha by those

moderners who had no interest in Vedic Astrology. They falsely claimed

that Suryasiddhanta gave a wrong view of orbital precession, although

Bhaskara-ii quoted Suryasiddhanta for deducing an amazingly accurate

value of orbital precession in his Siddhanta Shiromani which had been

translated into English in 1860 but has been consistently either

neglected or misinterpreted. For details, see Click_Here

<http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Ayanamsha+ vs+Precession>

(http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Ayanamsha+ vs+Precession).

I have informed many members of this team, like Mr AK Kaul and Mr Hari

Malla, about these proofs. But they have no respect for proofs, which

convinces me they have some agenda. If Mr Prashant Pandey is really

serious, he should ponder some time to understand this message and

follow the link, and should forward this message to Mr AK Kaul who might

have missed previous messages. Mr Hari Malla has read all these, and

reverts to his tape recorded version irrespective of facts and

arguments, there is no need to send this message again to a hater of

math and facts.

Please store this message somewhere, because this team is not going to

stop its campaign. If they are not countered, they will misinform the

ignorant public about false interpretations of Suryasiddhanta, Puranas

and Vedas.

-Vinay Jha

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vedic astrology, " astrolearner_ brazil "

<astrolearner_ brazil@.. .> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Prashant Kumarji,

> Namaskar!

>

> I will write in detail when i will get the time and good energy to

articulate things in the finest way.

>

> I will write only one thing here that our VEDIC HINDU CALENDAR is the

most complex and beautiful, nobody can imagine about its working

capabilities. But due to ignorance we are shying away from the reality.

I can understand, what a HOD of Sanskrit Univ and Hindu Univ can do when

Gov itself passed GO under influence of a LAHIRI who had not read VEDAS

and PURANS and he scuttled and sank the most pious efforts of L N Saha

who talked of Vedic Calendar.

>

> We are open like our revered VEDAS and PURANS and we have no hidden

agenda but it is open, we want to align VEDIC CALENDAR.

>

> Ppl can find that in Suryasidhanta Rashi's are tropical though it is

greatest farce in the name of accuracy and ppl can also find that in

Purans, Rashis are tropical and there was no talk of ayanamsha(non- sense

what we see now-a-days like of Fagan, Ramanji, Lahiri, Vamdev etc etc...

has anybody read in any Verse from PURAN that they have said that they

wrote under dot dot dot ayanamsha).

>

> We should keep aside astrology from our Hindu Calendar as it is based

on cardinals (solstices and equinoxes).It is one of the most complex

calendar nobody can imagine, it is the most scientific calendar. Vedic

Hindu Calendar has no place for Ayanamsha atleast.

>

> One more thing i donÑ‚ÐÐ©t follow any zodiac system (Tropical and

Sidereal) for predictions but i use 12 house systems (i have no doubt

over 12 house system and karkatwas of planets) and transits, some Naadi

systems are based on it, and i am getting good success over it. Anyway i

would not like to say that other systems are wrong or other things.

>

> But if any will talk about foolish views of Hindu calendar then i will

blast him apart like our GODS did with DEVILS in past.

>

> Please raise the slogan

>

> BHARAT MATA KI JAI!!!

>

> JAI HINDU JAI Hindu-VEDA!! !

>

> (JO NAA BOLAY PUT THREAD BOMB(RASSI BOMB, hara wala) in his/her dirty

ass)

>

> DHANYAVAD

>

> vedic astrology, Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela

pkgoteti@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear PP,

> >

> > Hindu calander reforms comitte headed by N C LAHiri was set up by

Nehru' govt in the 50's not 40's as the seqular govt [not secular]

wanted Hindus to follow one clander more for Govt Holidays as diff parts

of India used diff calanders tor festivals effictive since 55 ifi recall

right.

> >

> > even in TN for example Krishna ashtami is celeberated onâ”¬ 2 diff

dates one language, culture yet 2 dates.

> > one is

> > Krishna ashtami is celebrated on the ashtami day all over India as

it is ashtamai specific on the Krishna aksha of the moon, but Iyangers

observe it on Rohini star day still despite the calander reforms

> >

> > India has 33 differentâ”¬ Ayanamsas/calanders so it is not

possible for any govt togive holidays at will the BUSINES oF GOVERNANCE,

ACTTIVITIES WILL SUFFER

> >

> > AND ALSO WE R NOT AS PREVILIGED AS Muslims to observe same festival

on thw whims or eye sight of diff Imans- Delhi 's Imam, chennais' Imam ,

Mumbais Imam, and Saudi's Imam can see the same moon's crecent on diff

dates so can declatr it on the day they see as HOLI day so a holiday. no

formulas can be applied for them as is applied for Hindus

> >

> > but the objective is a good one and with a syandard Lahiris which he

introduced as he could not bring a consensus on a unifrom as each of the

33 felt theirs is superior to others for ASTROLOGICAL PURPOUSE some f

the 33 may be close to a good one for my observation Surya siddhanta,

Yukteshwar, Ramans's Bashin are all close ithin 20-30 min apart but

between raman and Lahiri it is 1 deg 26' 26 " apart Raman -KP is 1 deg

20; apart etc.

> > It s Nehru's govts action and he liked and belived west was superior

to our Vedic culture.

> >

> > Prashant kumar

> >

> > â”¬

> > G B Prashant Kumar

> >

> > Pl give personal data withâ”¬ verifableâ”¬ life event dates=jobs,

marriage, family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2â”¬ for Lagna

features checkâ”¬ to my IDâ”¬ pkgoteti@, Services of this astrologer

in the group only are FREE! personal consultations ARE CHARGEABLE!

Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, Indiaâ”¬ â”¬ Me Shuba Vela!

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Astrolearner Brazil astrolearner_ brazil@

> > vedic astrology

> > Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:14:34 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Fw: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: Is

astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?

> >

> > --- On Mon, 18/5/09, Prashant Pandey praspandey (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Pandey praspandey (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or

a religious myth? in which aspect?

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > Monday, 18 May, 2009, 1:07 PM

> >

> > Truth can't be buried.

> >

> > We got opportunity to reinstate our derailed VEDIC CALENDAR in 40's

but

> > Lahiri(hijacker of VEDAS) cockeyed Hindu Community by his evil

Greek's agenda. That day, when terrorist triumphant agenda of derailing

Hindu calendar got green signal, and our Hindu Dharma got hijacked in

the hand of fascist forces (when Lahiri's Greek calendar had been posed

on us), should be celebrated as black day in-between Hindu Community.

> >

> > It gives solace that we started going wrong not because of our(real

Hindu) manipulations but because of Greeks (who tried to befool us who

are not less than terrorist who tried to breach our Dharmic Scriptures

and they got success and they (their bloody illegal sons of multiple

fathers or fascist in-between Hindu Community) are still waging war

against our Hindu Dharma.). Our VEDAS are supreme and which are standing

like unwavering truth and will remain.

> >

> > Those fascist are suited for the same end what Mussolini saw, but it

is not easy as those fascist forces have now strong terrorism outfits

and they and their illegal sons (in masses, because their mothers had no

other work just to produce bullshits in masses on earth to wage war

against our VEDAS in future) are propelling their evil propaganda like

storm and they have also come on internet and are running their groups

and they also attack on Hindus, who talk of VEDAS and PURANS, and their

groups. Those illegal creatures on earth are trying to sell our

ancestors and forefathers in the name of evil agendas their faces

> > should be disfigured and after that we should free our pets to pee

on their faces.

> >

> > We need to be unified and will have to fight against those Greeks

converted terrorists (fascist) and their terror outfits.

> >

> > We should reinstate our VEDIC CALENDAR at any cost.

> >

> > Please come with us and raise the slogan from your roof-tops

> >

> > Jai HINDU, Jai HINDU-VEDAS! !!

> >

> > PS:- If you find any person, not raising that slogan then dick his

dirty ass hard as he may be converted Hindu(fascist and Hijacker of

Hindu Dharma) just to spoil our VEDAS.

> >

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

darshaneylokesh@ ... wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shushil Singh Ji, Namastey.

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ Neither astrology is a science today nor it can

ever be

> > > that. calling astrology a science shows our ignorance about

astrology

> > > and the science both.We should not be emotional for acceptances in

> > > the name of culture.

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ In earlier days of my astrology studentship my

Guru ji learnt

> > > me how to fix lagna usingâ”œÐ’â”¬ lagna sarinisâ”œÐ’â”¬ (tables)

and Janmesht kaal

> > > He would ask me to take longitudes of the rising Sun and add up

the

> > > ayanamsha and thus to get rising Sayana Sun( perhaps the correct

sun)

> > > .then . . . and finally to deduct same ayanamsha from the arrived

> > > longitudes of lagna (perhaps wrong lagna)

> > > to get correct lagna. He was

> > > a very learned person and truelly speaking, thousands of slokas

were on

> > > his tongue all the time.On his beingâ”œÐ’â”¬ alive today then I

would have

> > > certainely asked him -

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ a) Nirayana Sun was not capable

for working out lagna and

> > > that is why you told me to correct the sun and make that capable

for

> > > further calculations.

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ b) This way I arrived at the

lagna but now this lagna becomes

> > > wrong because it pertains ayanamsha withi it. The same ayanamsha

> > > now requiredâ”œÐ’â”¬ to get snatched out, to purify the lagna. .

..?

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ At the local sunrise time the

longitudes of the sun and lagna

> > > must be equal i.e. one and the same. Now as a home work we can

take

> > > the dates of Basant or the

> > > Sharad sampat and then share the views

> > > with others whether the present days astrology is even

mathematically

> > > right or wrong?

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ Everybody must know that no nakshtra is

equal to other.

> > > Chitra Nakshtra does not cover even the single degree span. Ardra

> > > covers by about 25 derees span while Uttarabhadra only 5 degrees

by

> > > about. Where such is the case then what may be the sense of

> > > calculating dashas, Antar dashas on the basis of these wrongly

> > > introduced nakshtras? Navamsha chart or say kundali, dashamshas

> > > or any of the shodashvarga is not less than a complete nonsense.

Is

> > > it possible in a science?

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ The zodiac that astrology accounts and accepts

is an

> > > imaginary zodiac. Astrologers and Science persons, both know this

> > > fact.â”œÐ’â”¬ For thse and like many solid reasons, I have since

been

> > > repeatedly emphasing that astrology is a SHASTRA and not more than

> > > that.

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ However, your suggestion to astrologers (

perhaps to your

> > > own also) to do much resarch or hard work is a welcome suggestion.

> > > I request every body that by wrong panchangasâ”œÐ’â”¬ or say wrong

> > > datas you cannot reach to the right or say desired goal of

Astrology.

> > > Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak is a serious and sincere effort

for

> > > the sake of a true panchang and then naturally for festivals to be

> > > observed on right dates.

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ Thanks. Aum sham.

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ Darshaney Lokesh â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 11/5/09, sushil Singh <astrosushil@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > sushil Singh <astrosushil@ ...>

> > >

> > > Dear Prashantji,

> > > My view on-Astrology as a science or myth is different.actually

astrology is a science which is not recognised by so called secular

governments. Dr.M.m joshi gave his best efforts to give much recognition

to this science but the the next government which was so secular that

,it,s leaders consult astrologers but publically don,t acknowledge

this.Problems are with we astrologers also that we don,t want to do much

resarch or hard work,and we are much more indulged in giving personal

predictions only.

> > >

> > > when we will be prepared for a group research then no pseudo

secular will be able to argue,or raise questions on us.

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ Regards,

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

Astrologer sushil kumar singh

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬

â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ â”œÐ’â”¬ www.astrosushil. blogspot. com

> > >

> > > â”œÐ’â”¬

> > > On 5/10/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote:

> > >

> > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> > > Namaskar!

> > > U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific

results based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve

houses or bhavaâ”œÐ“â”¬Ð²â”œÐ²Ñ‚ÐÐªâ”¬Ð¼â”œÐ²Ñ‚ÐÐ®â”¬Ð²s in a horoscope. "

> > >

> > > Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the

cost of the sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that

last several centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people

have become bored to death by such joke being repeated time and again!

> > >

> > > I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic

astrology is actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no

courage to say so openly! Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going

through Rotary.doc in the files section

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > A K Kaul

> > > , " Haresh \(Harry\)

Nathani " <haresh1405@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

> > > >

> > > > Pls read this article written by me.

> > > >

> > > > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > > > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based

on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

bhavaâ”œÐ“â”¬Ð²â”œÐ²Ñ‚ÐÐªâ”¬Ð¼â”œÐ²Ñ‚ÐÐ®â”¬Ð²s in a horoscope. In good old

days Rishi

Munniâ”œÐ“â”¬Ð²â”œÐ²Ñ‚ÐÐªâ”¬Ð¼â”œÐ²Ñ‚ÐÐ®â”¬Ð²s had divya gyan and complete

knowledge

of the placement of all the planets through which they could predict and

tell everything about the past, present & future of an individual.

> > >

> > > > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is

born with his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his

or her past, present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were

keen to know the same and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji

replied that Demigods could know about their past, present & future

through Brahma and the manushya in this universe will know the same

through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio Data in reality.

> > >

> > > > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person

in this human form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him

company, so God gave him a family. Now God said that this person needs

money/dhan in order to sustain himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in

order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/ friends/contacts /relatives, so

God gave him younger siblings, friends, relatives, contacts.

> > >

> > > > Now with family, money, siblings, and

friendâ”œÐ“â”¬Ð²â”œÐ²Ñ‚ÐÐªâ”¬Ð¼â”œÐ²Ñ‚ÐÐ®â”¬Ð²s man needs some place where he

can

live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him house & luxuries.

In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present days it a

two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs

intelligence and children for the family to grow. God gave him

intelligence and capability to have children.

> > >

> > > > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings,

luxuries, intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if

person has all the comforts of life there will be no difference between

hell and heaven so God gave him sufferings in the form of disease and

enemies. Now if a person has sufferings he needs someone to look after

him and he will also have some kind of lust to enjoy the senses so he

gave him a spouse to look after and support and satisfy our

lust.â”œÐ“Ñ‚ÐÐªâ”œÐ’â”¬ God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

> > >

> > > > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in

the form of fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness

to remember God. Then God said that manushya has to do some kind of

karma or activity to sustain oneself and the family, He gave us various

ways of executing our karma by engaging ourselves in working or doing

business and that is how we earn money by selecting the profession as

either working for someonelse(service) or doing our own profession. God

also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever we do is not

100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our loss.

> > >

> > > > In astrology we have twelve houses or

bhavaâ”œÐ“â”¬Ð²â”œÐ²Ñ‚ÐÐªâ”¬Ð¼â”œÐ²Ñ‚ÐÐ®â”¬Ð²s. From the first house we see

ourselves,

from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan, and from 3rd house we

see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts. From the 4th house we

see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our

children, from 6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from

7th house our sexual relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see

our longevity.

> > >

> > > > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional

service, from 10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th

house how will we earn money by business or working and our 12th house

says what will be our losses and up to what extent.

> > >

> > > > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or

Surya is the king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or

Chandra is the queen of all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or

Mangal is our defense minister or our physical strength, our younger

siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh is the Prince of the king and

queen and is also our intelligence. Jupiter or Brihaspati is the teacher

or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge or gyan and also

show our prosperity. â”œÐ“Ñ‚ÐÐªâ”œÐ’â”¬ Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust

our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who

will do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise

themselves in the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet

& house they sit.

> > >

> > > > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs,â”œÐ“Ñ‚ÐÐªâ”œÐ’â”¬

moon in 10 yrs, mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs,

Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in 19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These

are our maha dashaâ”œÐ“â”¬Ð²â”œÐ²Ñ‚ÐÐªâ”¬Ð¼â”œÐ²Ñ‚ÐÐ®â”¬Ð²s.

> > >

> > > > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells

us what are our good times of life our bad times of our life and our

sufferings.

> > > > â”œÐ“Ñ‚ÐÐªâ”œÐ’â”¬

> > > > Haresh Nathani

> > > > Cell +91 9867214103

> > > > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> > >

> > > > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > > > Mumbai (India)

> > > > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> > > > â”œÐ“Ñ‚ÐÐªâ”œÐ’â”¬

> > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGERâ”œÐ“Ñ‚ÐÐªâ”œÐ’â”¬ CELL

+919867214103

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> > >

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> > >

> > > > â”œÐ“Ñ‚ÐÐªâ”œÐ’â”¬

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > heathermarie. hayes <heathermarie. hayes@>

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM

> > > > Is astrology a science or a

religious myth? in which aspect?

> > > >

> > > > is there anyone that can answer me?

> > >

> > > >

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> > >

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