[VA]w: [Ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Is astrology a science or a religious

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Dear Sir,

 

With due respect to you and others involved in this discussion,

 

thanks for providing me your data. I just want to close this thread from my side

very much here with the forecast that your views will remain same for many more

years as for as religion is concerned.

 

regards

sushil

 

vedic astrology , " astrolearner_brazil "

<astrolearner_brazil wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Sushilji,

>

> Go and chck my details which are already in archieve of this group.

>

> Anyway i am again providing it:-

>

> 11'th May 1979

> 08:09AM

> Varanasi,India

>

> See how much debilitated my Ju is.Ha Ha Ha Ha...

>

> One more thing you would have not read Mr C S Patel's book, in which he has

written that when exalted Ju gets Navamsa of Virgo then native gets nae and fame

in between learned person(if you need exact verse from Naadi Book then i can

provide) and he had taken that verse from Dev Keralam Naadi Book.

>

> For your information i have read almost all things in my short journey.

>

> Max Naadi books, max B V Raman's Book, K N Rao's books, J C Luthara books,

Threja books, Shukra nadi, Nandi nadi, Vasan's books, Goelji books, PVR's Books,

Sanjay's books, 2 versions of BPHS, commentry on Jaimini Sutra by two

wuthors....

>

> Now go and check my horoscope.....

>

> I am still laughing at your mail

>

> BTW i am also on your group and i am aware of your knowledge,,, Ha Ha Ha Ha

>

>

> vedic astrology , " Sushil Dikshit " <sushil.dikshit@>

wrote:

> >

> > Shri Vinay ji,

> >

> > I have seen many a time a discussion like it. We should bother about views

of Pandey, Kaul ------etc. They are bound to abuse this Vedanga because they are

cursed people or there is deb. Ju in their horoscope. It would be better to

analyze their horoscope here so that we can learn more about this section of

society.

> >

> > regards

> > sushil dikshit

> >

> > vedic astrology , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Mr Prashant Pandey, having a fake ID as astrolearner_brazil besides dozens

of other fake IDs, is on a mission to abuse ancient masters as well as me. He

should ask Mr Kaul before refuting my comment :

> > >

> > > " Mr AK Kaul has almost no knowledge of astrology. Once,he computed

ayanamsha to be at ~47 degrees and abused all modern astrologers for following a

much reduced ayanamsha od 23-24 degrees, I

> > > had to show thim the actual formula and practical method of computation, >

> > >

> > > Mr Prashant Pandey answers : " he(Mr Kaul) has never claimed for any

ayanamsha " .

> > >

> > > Mr Kaul made wrong computations in AIA in early January 2009, my answer

was titled " Learn to Compute Suryasiddhantic Ayanamsha before Abusing it " .

> > >

> > > But I know Mr Pandey will not try to find truth. His truthfulness is clear

from his baseless allagation : " You have to abuse all, you also did with Mr Goel

in my forum, you also wrote abuses about Sanjay Rath in my personal mails, i had

fights with him but i don’t know why you wrote against him because of bad

intentions. "

> > >

> > > Mr Goel should be asked when I abused anyone. I never had any differences

with Pt Sanjay Rath.Mr Prashant Pandey is a blackmailer.

> > >

> > > Instead of answerinh my well substantiated mail, he resorts to abuses.

> > >

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ========================== ===

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > astrolearner_brazil <astrolearner_brazil@>

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:13:51 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] [VA]w: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: Is

astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?-LAHIRI's

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Please read closely his whole mail which is running around Suryasidhanta

of MAYA shammer, and he takes it as his whole PURANS and VEDAS journey. I have

already mentioned that he has not read any VEDA and Purans and he has no

knowledge of any Vedic Months terminology which were know as tapa, tapasya and

which were stuck to cardinal points(solstices and equinoxes). Everybody would

have read from the mail itself. He doesn’t know ppl in India are still using

Tropical system and they are some Naadi astrologer. I don’t know why he wants

to pose constellations based system on us which were creation of GREEKS. I

don’t know why?? He would also not be knowing that Nks were not of equal

divisions as mentioned in VEDAs. But he has to sing only one song which was

posed on us by MAYA.

> > >

> > > I will come with glut of VERSES from VEDAS and PURANS, but just want to

see the level of twist of TALIBANI Soldier, Vinay Bin LADEN.

> > >

> > > < This person " astrolearner_ brazil " is a fake ID of Mr Prashant

Pandey,who owns a small group and is close associate of Mr AK Kaul of Hindu

Calendar group. >

> > >

> > > Dear ppl you are seeing his politics, he is right hand man of OSAMA BIN

LADEN, and many times dined with terrorist Masood Ahmad.

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay Bin Laden, Nobody is close associate of you because you spread

terrorism and fights everywhere like a fool(MONK suffixed by EY) just to fan

your stupidity. Kundalee is the greatest laughing stock on this earth like you

are!!!

> > >

> > > < Mr AK Kaul has almost no knowledge of astrology. Once,he computed

ayanamsha to be at ~47 degrees and abused all modern astrologers for following a

much reduced ayanamsha od 23-24 degrees, I

> > > had to show thim the actual formula and practical method of computation, >

> > >

> > > Now you can imagine his allegations, he(Mr Kaul) has never claimed for any

ayanamsha(PPL already is known to this fact but see the twist of him), though he

and Proff R N Iyengar, proff IISC Deptt of Civil Engg claimed that Rashi were

not mentioned in VEDAS. Basically he is stupid fellow just to malign everbody

because of malice because he has teeth in stomach, even you could have seen he

maligned PVRji just some days before, it was disgusting.

> > >

> > > < I had to show thim the actual formula and practical method of

computation, after which he dropped all correspondence with me and appointed Mr

Prashant Pandey either to " rectify " me or abuse me away from all forums. Mr Mr

Prashant Pandey has now decided to abuse me away ! I was astonished to read this

nonsense from Mr Prashant Pandey in his previous >

> > >

> > > He himself knows that Suryasidhanta cant locate actual planets’

locations, apart of it just to boost his(Maya) theory, Maya cliamed that Surya

Bhagwan gave him formula(Ha Ha Ha Ha sometimes i also feel that Moon Devi comes

to me and say that Vinay is Vinay Bin Laden),Our Bhagwan came to him and gave

him wrong formula, what a tragedy with liar’s fabrication, he,MAYA was

shammer,ultimately wolf came out of sheeps,automaticall y, because of wrong

theories.

> > >

> > > < This ignorant fellow does not know that vedic Astrology cannot survive

without ayanamsha. Suryasiddhanta gives clear rules for computing ayanamsha, yet

he is spreading a falsehood that that raashis were tropical.. >

> > >

> > > Now please listen more drama of shammer Maya(BHANGI) , he tried to stop

our ongoing system which was stuck to cardinal points, anyhow but by wrong

theories. Sometimes i feel MAYA was shemale, because such type drama suits to

those glorious cliché. I thought that i will keep quite and will not write

against anybody like MAYA, MLECHAA(Bhangi) . Unlce Laden please read purans and

then comeup and say that Rashis were not TROPICAL.

> > >

> > > You have written Vedic astrology, you know astrology and Rashi are not

mentied in VEDAS so how astrology could be Vedic astrology, instead of it our

rashi system was imported from GREEKS. As your knowledge is too much limited so

please go and search who named the constellations name and how those imported

were to India.You even would not be knowing that the system of which you are

talking is non-sense because for your kind information no constellation is of 30

degrees even I will tell you that Sc constellation is of 8 degrees only. You

know nothing have you ever seen the geographical position of stars in Aries

constellation, go and see how Pi and Ar are being overlapped. If you have to fix

the starting point o Ar then why not from end point of Pi constellation or from

start from Ar. But just to stop our seasonal things Maya fabricated story in the

name of ayanamsha.

> > >

> > > < which means " the circle of nakshatras (bhaanam chakra or bhachakra)

falls back and forth like pendulum

> > > (pari-lambate) 600 times in a mahaayuga or once in 7200 years) " . >

> > >

> > > Now please see the level of twister MAYA, he was so much busy in making

story he was not knowing even single thing about Nks, Baby Vinay go and read

about Nks from VEDAS, NKS itslef are moving and those are not segments of 13

degree 20 minutes but of variable lengths from 0 degree to 28 degrees and also

those are also not sidereal. Go and read.I know you will not get that VERSE as

you have not those scriptures.

> > >

> > > Listen one thing when you come on internet never think that you are the

most intelligent person as you think, Now bow down on your knees and take me as

your GURU.

> > >

> > > ISI baat per ek slogan chillla lenay doo....

> > >

> > > BHARAT MATA KI JAI,

> > > JAI HINDU JAI VEDA

> > >

> > > < This concept of trepidating ayanamsha was used by all astrologers

> > > of India and West till Renaissance, >

> > >

> > > Baby Laden, you don’t know even tropical is being used by astrologer

from south and North India till now but you would not be knowing as your world

is restricted to PATNA and BANARAS,but sometimes you make secret visits to

Talibani's occupied area.

> > >

> > > < which means " the circle of nakshatras (bhaanam chakra or bhachakra)

falls back and forth like pendulum (pari-lambate) 600 times in a mahaayuga or

once in 7200 years) " . The maximum extent is 27 degrees, and there are four

quartets of 1800 years each.. >

> > >

> > > Now can you imagine height of fabrication by Maya, he said that Surya

Bhagwan came to him and gave wrong formula of precession(in other words

ayanamsha), Maya said our earth was doing vibrational motion now everybody knows

its not vibrational motion but continuous motion. Height of false concoction by

MAYA in the name of Hindu God.

> > >

> > > < This concept of trepidating ayanamsha was used by all astrologers of

India and West till Renaissance, including Copernicus, after which

> > > orbital precession was superimposed upon trepidating ayanamsha by those

moderners who had no interest in Vedic Astrology. They falsely claimed that

Suryasiddhanta gave a wrong view of orbital precession, although Bhaskara-ii

quoted Suryasiddhanta for deducing an amazingly accurate value of orbital

precession in his Siddhanta Shiromani which had been translated into English in

1860 but has been consistently either neglected or misinterpreted. >

> > >

> > > Firstly before writing anything i will have to raise one slogan...

> > >

> > > BHARAT MATA KI JAI

> > > JAI HINDU JAI HINU VEDA

> > >

> > > Now see twist by twister in his favor just to get endorsement for KUNDALEE

software because it is based on vibration motion and he has no data to put in

its database based on continuous motion so till that time he has to be continued

with Jihad in the name of Suryasidhanta. When he will get dta to put in database

of true locations of planets then he will say now I support precession. He has

written as below

> > >

> > > " including Copernicus, after which

> > > orbital precession was superimposed upon trepidating ayanamsha by those

moderners who had no interest in Vedic Astrology "

> > >

> > > Because ppl pointed mistake so those person have becme part of abuse for

GREEKs like VBL and Comp.Moderners are stupid because they can find fault in the

theories of MAYA..

> > >

> > > He has also written that

> > >

> > > " They falsely claimed that Suryasiddhanta gave a wrong view of orbital

precession, although Bhaskara-ii quoted Suryasiddhanta for deducing an amazingly

accurate value "

> > > Bhaskara also came to save it but couldn’t as we still know the accuracy

of Suryasidhanta and VBL has already said that there is quite diff between true

locations of planets and locations calculated by Suryasidhanta.

> > >

> > > < I have informed many members of this team, like Mr AK Kaul and Mr Hari

Malla, about these proofs. But they have no respect for proofs, which convinces

me they have some agenda. >

> > >

> > > Kid you dont know upto what level he(Mr Kaul) has worked and you are even

not dust of his feet. I also went near ti him inthis attitude but later came to

know that he has worked till what level. You have to abuse all, you also did

with Mr Goel in my forum, you also wrote abuses about Sanjay Rath in my personal

mails, i had fights with him but i don’t know why you wrote against him

because of bad intentions.

> > >

> > > < Mr Hari Malla has read all these, and reverts to his tape recorded

version irrespective of facts and arguments, there is no need to send this

message again to a hater of math and facts. >

> > >

> > > “ hater of maths,†you made me laugh he he he he, your surya sidhnata

can not calculate correct location of planets and you are saying hater of maths.

You idiot.

> > >

> > > < If they are not countered, they will misinform the ignorant public about

false interpretations of Suryasiddhanta, Puranas and Vedas. >

> > >

> > > Ppl have seen your VEDAS and PURANS’ (though his VEDAS and PURANS is

only and only SURYASIDHANTA) knowledge because you have wasted 15 yrs in

learning Suryasidnata. Vinay Jha's VEDAs and Purans are only Surya sidhanta.I

had already said that he has read nothing, means VEDAS and Purans and it is also

now clear from this mail.

> > >

> > > Vinay BIN LADEN go and strike the base of HINDUS somewhere else as i am

saying you again and again you are ignorant don’t want to uncover certain

things so i am quite. You came to suryasidhanta i have blasted your own

arguments.

> > >

> > > Do you know world history little bit. Learn it then you will come to know

why i am saying that whatever the falsehood is running it is because of Greeks.

> > >

> > > You can’t understand as you are boaster of your wrong knowledge.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Ayanamsha can't be Removed from Vedic Astrology !

> > > > To All, esp to G B Prashant Kumar Ji ,

> > > >

> > > > This person " astrolearner_ brazil " is a fake ID of Mr Prashant Pandey,

> > > > who owns a small group and is close associate of Mr AK Kaul of Hindu

> > > > Calendar group. Mr AK Kaul has almost no knowledge of astrology. Once,

> > > > he computed ayanamsha to be at ~47 degrees and abused all modern

> > > > astrologers for following a much reduced ayanamsha od 23-24 degrees, I

> > > > had to show thim the actual formula and practical method of computation,

> > > > after which he dropped all correspondence with me and appointed Mr

> > > > Prashant Pandey either to " rectify " me or abuse me away from all forums.

> > > > Mr Mr Prashant Pandey has now decided to abuse me away ! I was

> > > > astonished to read this nonsense from Mr Prashant Pandey in his previous

> > > > post :

> > > >

> > > > <<<<

> > > > Ppl can find that in Suryasidhanta Rashi's are tropical though it is

> > > > greatest farce in the name of accuracy and ppl can also find that in

> > > > Purans, Rashis are tropical and there was no talk of ayanamsha(non-

> > > > sense what we see now-a-days like of Fagan, Ramanji, Lahiri, Vamdev etc

> > > > etc... has anybody read in any Verse from PURAN that they have said that

> > > > they wrote under dot dot dot ayanamsha). ..... Vedic Hindu Calendar has

> > > > no place for Ayanamsha atleast. .... i don't follow any zodiac system

> > > > (Tropical and Sidereal) for predictions but i use 12 house systems

> > > > >>>>

> > > >

> > > > This ignorant fellow does not know that vedic Astrology cannot survive

> > > > without ayanamsha. Suryasiddhanta gives clear rules for computing

> > > > ayanamsha, yet he is spreading a falsehood that that raashis were

> > > > tropical. His uncle Dr Ramchandra Pandey has quoted Puranic verses which

> > > > prove that the concept of ayanamsha was present in Puranas :

> > > >

> > > > उतà¥à¤¤à¤¾à¤¨à¤ªà¤¾à¤¦à¤ªà¥à¤¤à¥à¤°à¥‹à¤½à¤¸à¥Œ

> > > > मेढीभूतो धà¥à¤°à¥à¤µà¥‹

> > > > दिवि ।

> > > >

> > > > स हि भà¥à¤°à¤®à¤¨à¥ भà¥à¤°à¤¾à¤®à¤¯à¤¤à¥‡

> > > > नितà¥à¤¯à¤‚ चनà¥à¤¦à¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¦à¤¿à¤¤à¥à¤¯à¥Œ

> > > > गà¥à¤°à¤¹à¥ˆà¤ƒ सह ।।

> > > >

> > > > (Uttanapaada- putrau-asau medhi-bhooto Dhruvo divi,

> > > > sa hi bhraman bhraamayate nityam Chandraadityau grahaih saha.)

> > > >

> > > > " Uttaanapaada' s son Dhruva is fixed like an immovable post in the sky,

> > > > (but) Dhruva himself moves, taking alongwith him all planets like Moon

> > > > and Sun. "

> > > >

> > > > This motion of Dhruva is a proof of ayanamsha. I have quoted this

> > > > Puranic verse from the book of Mr Prashant Pandey's uncle Dr Ramchandra

> > > > Pandey (former HOD of BHU). Mr Prashant Pandey should ask his uncle, who

> > > > is my friend, for this verse.

> > > >

> > > > Similarly, Suryasiddhanta says

> > > > " तà¥à¤°à¤¿à¤‚शतà¥à¤•à¥ƒà¤¤à¥à¤¯à¥‹ यà¥à¤—े

> > > > भानां चकà¥à¤°à¥‡ पà¥à¤°à¤¾à¤•à¥

> > > > परिलमà¥à¤¬à¤¤à¥‡ " ( trinshat-krityo yuge bhaanaam

> > > > chakre praak parilambate) , which means " the circle of nakshatras

> > > > (bhaanam chakra or bhachakra) falls back and forth like pendulum

> > > > (pari-lambate) 600 times in a mahaayuga or once in 7200 years) " . The

> > > > maximum extent is 27 degrees, and there are four quartets of 1800 years

> > > > each. This concept of trepidating ayanamsha was used by all astrologers

> > > > of India and West till Renaissance, including Copernicus, after which

> > > > orbital precession was superimposed upon trepidating ayanamsha by those

> > > > moderners who had no interest in Vedic Astrology. They falsely claimed

> > > > that Suryasiddhanta gave a wrong view of orbital precession, although

> > > > Bhaskara-ii quoted Suryasiddhanta for deducing an amazingly accurate

> > > > value of orbital precession in his Siddhanta Shiromani which had been

> > > > translated into English in 1860 but has been consistently either

> > > > neglected or misinterpreted. For details, see Click_Here

> > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Ayanamsha+ vs+Precession>

> > > > (http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Ayanamsha+ vs+Precession).

> > > >

> > > > I have informed many members of this team, like Mr AK Kaul and Mr Hari

> > > > Malla, about these proofs. But they have no respect for proofs, which

> > > > convinces me they have some agenda. If Mr Prashant Pandey is really

> > > > serious, he should ponder some time to understand this message and

> > > > follow the link, and should forward this message to Mr AK Kaul who might

> > > > have missed previous messages. Mr Hari Malla has read all these, and

> > > > reverts to his tape recorded version irrespective of facts and

> > > > arguments, there is no need to send this message again to a hater of

> > > > math and facts.

> > > >

> > > > Please store this message somewhere, because this team is not going to

> > > > stop its campaign. If they are not countered, they will misinform the

> > > > ignorant public about false interpretations of Suryasiddhanta, Puranas

> > > > and Vedas.

> > > >

> > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > ============ ======== ============ =

> > > > vedic astrology, " astrolearner_ brazil "

> > > > <astrolearner_ brazil@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Prashant Kumarji,

> > > > > Namaskar!

> > > > >

> > > > > I will write in detail when i will get the time and good energy to

> > > > articulate things in the finest way.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will write only one thing here that our VEDIC HINDU CALENDAR is the

> > > > most complex and beautiful, nobody can imagine about its working

> > > > capabilities. But due to ignorance we are shying away from the reality.

> > > > I can understand, what a HOD of Sanskrit Univ and Hindu Univ can do when

> > > > Gov itself passed GO under influence of a LAHIRI who had not read VEDAS

> > > > and PURANS and he scuttled and sank the most pious efforts of L N Saha

> > > > who talked of Vedic Calendar.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are open like our revered VEDAS and PURANS and we have no hidden

> > > > agenda but it is open, we want to align VEDIC CALENDAR.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ppl can find that in Suryasidhanta Rashi's are tropical though it is

> > > > greatest farce in the name of accuracy and ppl can also find that in

> > > > Purans, Rashis are tropical and there was no talk of ayanamsha(non-

sense

> > > > what we see now-a-days like of Fagan, Ramanji, Lahiri, Vamdev etc etc...

> > > > has anybody read in any Verse from PURAN that they have said that they

> > > > wrote under dot dot dot ayanamsha).

> > > > >

> > > > > We should keep aside astrology from our Hindu Calendar as it is based

> > > > on cardinals (solstices and equinoxes).It is one of the most complex

> > > > calendar nobody can imagine, it is the most scientific calendar. Vedic

> > > > Hindu Calendar has no place for Ayanamsha atleast.

> > > > >

> > > > > One more thing i don’t follow any zodiac system (Tropical and

> > > > Sidereal) for predictions but i use 12 house systems (i have no doubt

> > > > over 12 house system and karkatwas of planets) and transits, some Naadi

> > > > systems are based on it, and i am getting good success over it. Anyway i

> > > > would not like to say that other systems are wrong or other things.

> > > > >

> > > > > But if any will talk about foolish views of Hindu calendar then i will

> > > > blast him apart like our GODS did with DEVILS in past.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please raise the slogan

> > > > >

> > > > > BHARAT MATA KI JAI!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > JAI HINDU JAI Hindu-VEDA!! !

> > > > >

> > > > > (JO NAA BOLAY PUT THREAD BOMB(RASSI BOMB, hara wala) in his/her dirty

> > > > ass)

> > > > >

> > > > > DHANYAVAD

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba

Vela

> > > > pkgoteti@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear PP,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hindu calander reforms comitte headed by N C LAHiri was set up by

> > > > Nehru' govt in the 50's not 40's as the seqular govt [not secular]

> > > > wanted Hindus to follow one clander more for Govt Holidays as diff parts

> > > > of India used diff calanders tor festivals effictive since 55 ifi recall

> > > > right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > even in TN for example Krishna ashtami is celeberated on 2 diff

> > > > dates one language, culture yet 2 dates.

> > > > > > one is

> > > > > > Krishna ashtami is celebrated on the ashtami day all over India as

> > > > it is ashtamai specific on the Krishna aksha of the moon, but Iyangers

> > > > observe it on Rohini star day still despite the calander reforms

> > > > > >

> > > > > > India has 33 different Ayanamsas/calanders so it is not

> > > > possible for any govt togive holidays at will the BUSINES oF GOVERNANCE,

> > > > ACTTIVITIES WILL SUFFER

> > > > > >

> > > > > > AND ALSO WE R NOT AS PREVILIGED AS Muslims to observe same festival

> > > > on thw whims or eye sight of diff Imans- Delhi 's Imam, chennais' Imam ,

> > > > Mumbais Imam, and Saudi's Imam can see the same moon's crecent on diff

> > > > dates so can declatr it on the day they see as HOLI day so a holiday. no

> > > > formulas can be applied for them as is applied for Hindus

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but the objective is a good one and with a syandard Lahiris which he

> > > > introduced as he could not bring a consensus on a unifrom as each of the

> > > > 33 felt theirs is superior to others for ASTROLOGICAL PURPOUSE some f

> > > > the 33 may be close to a good one for my observation Surya siddhanta,

> > > > Yukteshwar, Ramans's Bashin are all close ithin 20-30 min apart but

> > > > between raman and Lahiri it is 1 deg 26' 26 " apart Raman -KP is 1 deg

> > > > 20; apart etc.

> > > > > > It s Nehru's govts action and he liked and belived west was superior

> > > > to our Vedic culture.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashant kumar

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pl give personal data with verifable life event dates=jobs,

> > > > marriage, family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 for Lagna

> > > > features check to my ID pkgoteti@, Services of this astrologer

> > > > in the group only are FREE! personal consultations ARE CHARGEABLE!

> > > > Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India Me Shuba Vela!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Astrolearner Brazil astrolearner_ brazil@

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:14:34 PM

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Fw: [ind. & West.. Astrology] Fwd: Re: Is

> > > > astrology a science or a religious myth? in which aspect?

> > > > > >

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> > > > > > --- On Mon, 18/5/09, Prashant Pandey praspandey (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashant Pandey praspandey (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: Is astrology a science or

> > > > a religious myth? in which aspect?

> > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > > > > > Monday, 18 May, 2009, 1:07 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Truth can't be buried.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We got opportunity to reinstate our derailed VEDIC CALENDAR in 40's

> > > > but

> > > > > > Lahiri(hijacker of VEDAS) cockeyed Hindu Community by his evil

> > > > Greek's agenda. That day, when terrorist triumphant agenda of derailing

> > > > Hindu calendar got green signal, and our Hindu Dharma got hijacked in

> > > > the hand of fascist forces (when Lahiri's Greek calendar had been posed

> > > > on us), should be celebrated as black day in-between Hindu Community.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It gives solace that we started going wrong not because of our(real

> > > > Hindu) manipulations but because of Greeks (who tried to befool us who

> > > > are not less than terrorist who tried to breach our Dharmic Scriptures

> > > > and they got success and they (their bloody illegal sons of multiple

> > > > fathers or fascist in-between Hindu Community) are still waging war

> > > > against our Hindu Dharma.). Our VEDAS are supreme and which are standing

> > > > like unwavering truth and will remain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those fascist are suited for the same end what Mussolini saw, but it

> > > > is not easy as those fascist forces have now strong terrorism outfits

> > > > and they and their illegal sons (in masses, because their mothers had no

> > > > other work just to produce bullshits in masses on earth to wage war

> > > > against our VEDAS in future) are propelling their evil propaganda like

> > > > storm and they have also come on internet and are running their groups

> > > > and they also attack on Hindus, who talk of VEDAS and PURANS, and their

> > > > groups. Those illegal creatures on earth are trying to sell our

> > > > ancestors and forefathers in the name of evil agendas their faces

> > > > > > should be disfigured and after that we should free our pets to pee

> > > > on their faces.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We need to be unified and will have to fight against those Greeks

> > > > converted terrorists (fascist) and their terror outfits.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We should reinstate our VEDIC CALENDAR at any cost.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please come with us and raise the slogan from your roof-tops

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jai HINDU, Jai HINDU-VEDAS! !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PS:- If you find any person, not raising that slogan then dick his

> > > > dirty ass hard as he may be converted Hindu(fascist and Hijacker of

> > > > Hindu Dharma) just to spoil our VEDAS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

> > > > darshaneylokesh@ ... wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shushil Singh Ji, Namastey.

> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Neither astrology is a science

today nor it can

> > > > ever be

> > > > > > > that. calling astrology a science shows our ignorance about

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > > and the science both..We should not be emotional for acceptances

in

> > > > > > > the name of culture.

> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â In earlier days of my astrology

studentship my

> > > > Guru ji learnt

> > > > > > > me how to fix lagna using lagna sarinis (tables)

> > > > and Janmesht kaal

> > > > > > > He would ask me to take longitudes of the rising Sun and add up

> > > > the

> > > > > > > ayanamsha and thus to get rising Sayana Sun( perhaps the correct

> > > > sun)

> > > > > > > .then . . . and finally to deduct same ayanamsha from the arrived

> > > > > > > longitudes of lagna (perhaps wrong lagna)

> > > > > > > to get correct lagna. He was

> > > > > > > a very learned person and truelly speaking, thousands of slokas

> > > > were on

> > > > > > > his tongue all the time.On his being alive today then I

> > > > would have

> > > > > > > certainely asked him -

> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â a) Nirayana Sun was not

capable

> > > > for working out lagna and

> > > > > > > that is why you told me to correct the sun and make that capable

> > > > for

> > > > > > > further calculations.

> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â b) This way I arrived at

the

> > > > lagna but now this lagna becomes

> > > > > > > wrong because it pertains ayanamsha withi it. The same ayanamsha

> > > > > > > now required to get snatched out, to purify the lagna. .

> > > > .?

> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â At the local sunrise time

the

> > > > longitudes of the sun and lagna

> > > > > > > must be equal i.e. one and the same. Now as a home work we can

> > > > take

> > > > > > > the dates of Basant or the

> > > > > > > Sharad sampat and then share the views

> > > > > > > with others whether the present days astrology is even

> > > > mathematically

> > > > > > > right or wrong?

> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Everybody must know that no

nakshtra is

> > > > equal to other.

> > > > > > > Chitra Nakshtra does not cover even the single degree span. Ardra

> > > > > > > covers by about 25 derees span while Uttarabhadra only 5 degrees

> > > > by

> > > > > > > about. Where such is the case then what may be the sense of

> > > > > > > calculating dashas, Antar dashas on the basis of these wrongly

> > > > > > > introduced nakshtras? Navamsha chart or say kundali, dashamshas

> > > > > > > or any of the shodashvarga is not less than a complete nonsense.

> > > > Is

> > > > > > > it possible in a science?

> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â The zodiac that astrology

accounts and accepts

> > > > is an

> > > > > > > imaginary zodiac. Astrologers and Science persons, both know this

> > > > > > > fact. For thse and like many solid reasons, I have since

> > > > been

> > > > > > > repeatedly emphasing that astrology is a SHASTRA and not more than

> > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â However, your suggestion to

astrologers (

> > > > perhaps to your

> > > > > > > own also) to do much resarch or hard work is a welcome suggestion.

> > > > > > > I request every body that by wrong panchangas or say wrong

> > > > > > > datas you cannot reach to the right or say desired goal of

> > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak is a serious and sincere effort

> > > > for

> > > > > > > the sake of a true panchang and then naturally for festivals to be

> > > > > > > observed on right dates.

> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Thanks. Aum sham.

> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â

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    Â>         Â>      Darshaney Lokesh Â>

        Â>     Â> > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/5/09, sushil Singh <astrosushil@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sushil Singh <astrosushil@ ...>

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> > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,

> > > > > > > My view on-Astrology as a science or myth is different.actually

> > > > astrology is a science which is not recognised by so called secular

> > > > governments. Dr.M.m joshi gave his best efforts to give much recognition

> > > > to this science but the the next government which was so secular that

> > > > ,it,s leaders consult astrologers but publically don,t acknowledge

> > > > this.Problems are with we astrologers also that we don,t want to do much

> > > > resarch or hard work,and we are much more indulged in giving personal

> > > > predictions only.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > when we will be prepared for a group research then no pseudo

> > > > secular will be able to argue,or raise questions on us.

> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â

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       Â>   Regards,

> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â

    Â>         Â>         Â>   Â

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> > > > Astrologer sushil kumar singh

> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â

    Â>         Â>         Â>   Â

     Â>         Â>         Â>  Â

      Â>    www.astrosushil. blogspot. com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Â> > > > On 5/10/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com>

wrote:

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > > > <jyotirved@ .> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shri Haesh Nathani ji,

> > > > > > > Namaskar!

> > > > > > > U have said, " Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific

> > > > results based on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve

> > > > houses or bhava’s in a horoscope. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well, that is a good joke but it is a cruel one since it is at the

> > > > cost of the sanctity of the Vedas! This joke has been going on for that

> > > > last several centuries. As such, pl. coin some new joke now since people

> > > > have become bored to death by such joke being repeated time and again!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know u know it in your heart of hearts that the so called Vedic

> > > > astrology is actually the greatest fraud on the Vedas but u have no

> > > > courage to say so openly! Pl. do brush up your knowledge by going

> > > > through Rotary.doc in the files section

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > A K Kaul

> > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\)

> > > > Nathani " <haresh1405@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear heathermarie. hayes heathermarie. hayes@

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls read this article written by me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What Vedic Astrology is all about?

> > > > > > > > Vedic astrology is science, which gives scientific results based

> > > > on placement of the nine planets in any of the twelve houses or

> > > > bhava’s in a horoscope. In good old days Rishi

> > > > Munni’s had divya gyan and complete knowledge

> > > > of the placement of all the planets through which they could predict and

> > > > tell everything about the past, present & future of an individual.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When a person is born at a particular day, time and place, he is

> > > > born with his past, present & future. Everybody wants to know about his

> > > > or her past, present & what his future will be. Even the Demigods were

> > > > keen to know the same and when they approached Lord Brahma, Brahmaji

> > > > replied that Demigods could know about their past, present & future

> > > > through Brahma and the manushya in this universe will know the same

> > > > through astrology. Our horoscope is our complete Bio Data in reality.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > God gave us a human form or Shareer, but God said now a person

> > > > in this human form cannot live alone he needs a family to give him

> > > > company, so God gave him a family. Now God said that this person needs

> > > > money/dhan in order to sustain himself He gave him money/dhan. Now in

> > > > order to grow he needs bothers/sisters/ friends/contacts /relatives, so

> > > > God gave him younger siblings, friends, relatives, contacts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now with family, money, siblings, and

> > > > friend’s man needs some place where he can

> > > > live, he needs some luxuries of life, so God gave him house & luxuries.

> > > > In good old days a bullock cart was a luxury & now in present days it a

> > > > two or four wheeler. Now when he has a house to live he needs

> > > > intelligence and children for the family to grow. God gave him

> > > > intelligence and capability to have children..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now when God gave us human form, money, family, siblings,

> > > > luxuries, intelligence, children God also wanted to ensure that if

> > > > person has all the comforts of life there will be no difference between

> > > > hell and heaven so God gave him sufferings in the form of disease and

> > > > enemies. Now if a person has sufferings he needs someone to look after

> > > > him and he will also have some kind of lust to enjoy the senses so he

> > > > gave him a spouse to look after and support and satisfy our

> > > > lust. God also gave us a certain life span or longevity.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now after getting all these things God gave us our destiny in

> > > > the form of fortune or bhagya and also gave us spiritual consciousness

> > > > to remember God. Then God said that manushya has to do some kind of

> > > > karma or activity to sustain oneself and the family, He gave us various

> > > > ways of executing our karma by engaging ourselves in working or doing

> > > > business and that is how we earn money by selecting the profession as

> > > > either working for someonelse(service) or doing our own profession. God

> > > > also gave gave us some losses to be borne by us as whatever we do is not

> > > > 100% beneficial some part of it always goes as waste which is our loss.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In astrology we have twelve houses or

> > > > bhava’s. From the first house we see ourselves,

> > > > from 2nd house we see our family and money/dhan, and from 3rd house we

> > > > see our siblings, friends, relatives, contacts.. From the 4th house we

> > > > see our luxuries, from 5th house we see our intelligence and our

> > > > children, from 6th house we see our enemies and our disease state, from

> > > > 7th house our sexual relationships and our spouse, from 8th house we see

> > > > our longevity.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Our 9th house shows how fortunate we are and our devotional

> > > > service, from 10th house what kind of karma we will execute, from 11th

> > > > house how will we earn money by business or working and our 12th house

> > > > says what will be our losses and up to what extent.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are seven planets and two shadow planets or nodes. Sun or

> > > > Surya is the king of all the planets who is also our father, Moon or

> > > > Chandra is the queen of all the planets who is also our mother. Mars or

> > > > Mangal is our defense minister or our physical strength, our younger

> > > > siblings and our friends. Mercury or Budh is the Prince of the king and

> > > > queen and is also our intelligence.. Jupiter or Brihaspati is the

teacher

> > > > or Guru will show us our direction, give us knowledge or gyan and also

> > > > show our prosperity.  Venus or Shukra is our greed, lust

> > > > our sexual relationships, spouse and Saturn or Sani is the servant who

> > > > will do all the work. Rahu & Ketu are the shadow planets who disguise

> > > > themselves in the form in which house they sit or with whichever planet

> > > > & house they sit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun being king planet will do his task in 6 yrs,ÂÂ

> > > > moon in 10 yrs, mars in 7 yrs, mercury in 17 yrs, Jupiter in 16 yrs,

> > > > Venus in 20 yrs, Saturn in 19 yrs, Rahu in 18yrs & Ketu in 7 yrs. These

> > > > are our maha dasha’s.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is what Vedic astrology is all about. Our horoscope tells

> > > > us what are our good times of life our bad times of our life and our

> > > > sufferings.

> > > > > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Haresh Nathani

> > > > > > > > Cell +91 9867214103

> > > > > > > > Tele/Fax +91 22 24031469

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > E mail hareshgnathani@

> > > > > > > > Mumbai (India)

> > > > > > > > The author of this article is a professional Vedic Astrologer.

> > > > > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGERÂÂ

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> > > > +919867214103

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> > > > > > > > heathermarie. hayes <heathermarie. hayes@>

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> > > > > > > > Friday, 1 May, 2009 9:11:21 PM

> > > > > > > > Is astrology a science or a

> > > > religious myth? in which aspect?

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