Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

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dear narasimhaji and other fraternal friends

 

before answering, ratifying or contradicting what narasimhaji has written,

members may remember that for long i have been maintaining a consistent advocacy

that horoscope is ONLY ONE OF THE DRIVERS of future whereas many fraternal

brothers were striving to prove that horoscope alone indicates everything.

 

some members were further categorising karma theory, destiny, fate, luck etc.

while others were maintaing that every thing is written in horoscope and that

astrologer is a know all.

 

let me reratify my stand that astrology is only one of the future indicators and

there are many drivers of future besides horoscope as follows:

 

1. fresh good and bad karmas in this birth or simply put acttion vs reaction or

reap what you sow.

 

2. blessings and curses of gurus, sages and gods etc. which give overweighing

positive or negative results.

 

3. by imposing freewill, notwithstanding the pressures, influences and

necessities, one can become a sage, a king, a terrorist or as one likes.

viswamitra becoming a maharshi is by his freewill. siddhardha becoming buddha

is by his freewill. neelkanth becoming swaminarayan or sankara becoming

sankaracharya are by imposing freewill. jesus by taking the suffering of the

lepers, shirdi saibaba and raghavendra of mantralayam too imposed freewill

against all odds.

 

4. evil eye, evil prayoga or evil possession is beyond all the above and happens

very rarely but it too can overweigh everything above. even devagurus scratched

heads not knowing what went wrong in such rare cases.

 

5. let me also add that ACTS OF GOD are not comprehended in horsocope. NO

GODMEN OR WOMEN in india whose CRORES OF DEVOTEES REVER THEM AS GOD, could not

prevent a single ACT OF GOD, be it a tsunami, cyclone or earthquake. all these

godmen and women do is only to donate money or goods to the survivors. when

thousands of people die at one stroke in ONE SINGLE MUHURTA, not all their

horoscopes indicate death at same time. astrology is meaningless even to

imagine applying in such acts of god. some astrologers justify this saying that

the horoscope of the land or the state or kingdom suggests mass deaths where

individual horoscopes become irrelevant which is a good ambivalent joke. be it

200 school children biting bullets all at once in moscow or thousands of school

children getting death while singing the national song in gujarat by the

benevolent mother taking them within.

 

it is high time astrologers shall know their limitations in predicting any and

everything (it is a different thing that even simple gender and living status is

not predictable foolproof from hundred horoscopes) and shall have the humility

and courage to acknolwedge various other drivers of future.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

vedic astrology , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question. I am

cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name from the mail.

>

> * * *

>

> For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is a

little background.

>

> I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi would come

into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political power. At the time of

that prediction, there were no such indications on the ground. But he did come

into politics in the same timeframe. The initial talk was in 2007, he finally

formed a party in 2008 and elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly,

he was elected as a legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

>

> Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped the ante

last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi's party would do well in 2009

elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of success and did not

predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I was honestly expecting his

party to do better than they managed. Thus, the followup of my original

prediction is a failure.

>

> * * *

>

> It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile political

predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage, job, childbirth

etc in " regular " charts.

>

> In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and yet we are

eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad predictions with good data

too. Of course, it can be a human error in judging various factors. However,

that human error seems to be a little more common in high profile political

predictions than in regular predictions. What could be the reason?

>

> I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology plays a

bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and elaborate what I

mean.

>

> * * *

>

> One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous lives

using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this life. However, as

life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed in THIS life using one's

free will. What happens at any point of time in one's life is a function of ALL

actions committed by one until that point of time, INCLUDING the actions

committed in THIS life until now. Some key actions committed using one's free

will in THIS life, especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the

life events from then onwards.

>

> Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a catchup.

In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives which are to give

a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this life has little scope. When

the options available for the free will in this life are limited, there may not

be significant actions using free will and hence the modifications to destiny

based on actions of this life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be

sufficient to predict events.

>

> However, highly popular, successful and high profile public personalities may

have less restrictions and more options available for their free will. With

their free will being more free and powerful, the actions committed by their

free will may have a higher weightage. As we are able to see only their destiny

in the horoscope (free will exercise upto birth) and unable to factor in how

free will was exercised in this life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in

our predictions.

>

> Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the leader of

opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying some political

power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy that power. To predict

the specific degree of power and make an accurate prediction, is the horoscope

sufficient always? Could the exercise of free will in this life until now make a

difference in some high profile charts?

>

> * * *

>

> I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and answering it

myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for themselves...

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

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> -

> Dear PVR garu,

>

> Namaste.

>

> If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on

Chiranjeevi failed ?

>

> I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to

understand if

> 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was the

correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

>

> I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to know

about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all the failures

are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack of knowledge.

>

> If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a

problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is available

to us at this age is very limited and may not be accurate.

>

> Best Regards,

> <deleted>

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