Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

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Dear PVR Garu, Nameste.

 

As a learner of Astrology, I have greatly benefited from your Jagannatha Hora

software and also your mp3 audio lessons and I thank you wholeheartedly for the

same.

 

Here is my 2 cents on the above topic.

 

Point # 1 – About kendras

 

Kendra houses are Vishnu sthanas and represent action whereas trikona houses are

Lakshmi sthanas and represent the result or fruit of past life actions.

Elaborating a little:

 

The 1st house is the kendra house in the dharma trikona (1-5-9) and represents

the action relating to our religious duties;

 

The 10th house is the kendra house in the artha trikona (2-6-10) and represents

the action relating to our livelihood (aquisition of material prosperity or

artha);

 

The 7th house is the kendra house in the kama trikona (3-7-11) and represents

the action relating to fulfilling our desires;

 

The 4th house is the kendra house in the moksha trikona (4-8-12) and represents

action relating to our quest for freedom from this cycle of karma and

karma-phala which overlaps the cycle of birth and death.

 

Therefore, if a person has strong kendras / many grahas located in kendras - his

present life is full of action - assertion of a lot of free will.

 

On the other hand, if the trikona houses are very strong / have lots of

influences on them, the native's present life may be mostly about experiencing

the fruits of actions of past lives.

 

Point # 2 – A shloka implying free will

Shloka 50 in Chapter 26 of Phaladeepika states that the grahas are always

favourable to one who practices ahimsa, controls his senses, earns his living in

a righteous manner and always follows the rules and principles laid down in

scriptures.

 

There is an interesting comparison made of Sri Rama and Ravana's horoscopes to

explain the above shloka. Both have exalted Mars which represents younger

brothers. Both Sri Rama and Ravana had exalted younger brothers. Sri Rama

treated his younger brothers in a righteous manner and Lord Mars was pleased. On

the other hand, Ravana abused his younger brother Vibheeshana and Lord Mars

become unfavorable. Mars also represents war and therefore, in the war, Mars,

though exalted in both the charts was more favorable to Sri Rama and led him to

victory.

 

In the translation of Phaladeepika by Pandit Ojha, it is given that Sri Rama had

exalted Jupiter and Moon in 1st house, exalted Saturn in 4th house, exalted Mars

in 7th house and exalted Sun in 10th house. Ravana had exalted Sun in 1st house,

exalted Jupiter and Moon in 4th house, exalted Saturn in 7th house and exalted

Mars in the 10th house.

 

Note that in both the charts, the kendras are extremely powerful - indicating

life full of action, or in other words, a life wherein there is a lot of

assertion of free will.

 

Maybe we need to apply the above points especially when we are comparing the

charts of two or more public figures and trying to predict who has a greater

chance of winning (an election or a tennis match or any competition).

 

To summarize:

a) Those charts that have very strong kendras houses are generally more

difficult to interpret - because of the assertion of a lot of free will by that

person

b) In such cases, we need to study the actions already performed by these

individuals and look at which graha is pleased or displeased by such actions

before predicting what kind of result that graha will indicate for the rest of

the native's life.

 

Thanks and Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also

> > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed

> > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > > still......

>

> Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is destiny anyway? There is

no destiny if there is no free will, for today's act of free will shapes

tomorrow's destiny.

>

> In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in " Yoga Vaasishtham " that there is nothing

called destiny. He says all that is there is your free will. He says that

actions done in the past using your free will will catch up with you and that

catching up is given the name of destiny. This destiny is thus nothing external,

but acts of your own free will getting back at you.

>

> Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in the first 10 days of the

month may have no money to spend in the next 20 days, similarly people who

abused their free will in the past may be faced with such a weighty destiny that

their free will is useless right now. Such people may feel that there is nothing

called free will.

>

> The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for free may may vary from

person to person and situation to situation, but it is a fact that free will

exists and that acts of free will shape one's future.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

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>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Gopi ji,

> >

> > Please understand that I am truly asking this sincerely and somewhat

musingly (not amusingly!):

> >

> > All these remedies, that are prescribed and followed, some ending up being

effective, others not (and there has never been a reliable survey reporting the

efficacy of remedies, sorted by type or aggregate -- only anecdotal accounts) --

what are these? Destiny or acts of free will on the part of the nativity? In

both cases where they choose to follow these or choose not to follow the advice?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Narasimha garu,

> > >

> > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also

> > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed

> > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > > still......

> > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question.

> > > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name from

> > > the mail.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is

> > > a little background.

> > > >

> > > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi

> > > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political

> > > power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such indications on

> > > the ground. But he did come into politics in the same timeframe. The

> > > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008 and

> > > elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly, he was elected as a

> > > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped

> > > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi's party would do well

> > > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of

> > > success and did not predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I

> > > was honestly expecting his party to do better than they managed. Thus,

> > > the followup of my original prediction is a failure.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile

> > > political predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage,

> > > job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts.

> > > >

> > > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and

> > > yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad

> > > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be a human error in

> > > judging various factors. However, that human error seems to be a little

> > > more common in high profile political predictions than in regular

> > > predictions. What could be the reason?

> > > >

> > > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology

> > > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and

> > > elaborate what I mean.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous

> > > lives using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this

> > > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed

> > > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any point of time in

> > > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one until that

> > > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life until now.

> > > Some key actions committed using one's free will in THIS life,

> > > especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the life

> > > events from then onwards.

> > > >

> > > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a

> > > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives

> > > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this

> > > life has little scope. When the options available for the free will in

> > > this life are limited, there may not be significant actions using free

> > > will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions of this

> > > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to predict

> > > events.

> > > >

> > > > However, highly popular, successful and high profile public

> > > personalities may have less restrictions and more options available for

> > > their free will. With their free will being more free and powerful, the

> > > actions committed by their free will may have a higher weightage. As we

> > > are able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free will exercise

> > > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was exercised in this

> > > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our predictions.

> > > >

> > > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the

> > > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying

> > > some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy

> > > that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an accurate

> > > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise of

> > > free will in this life until now make a difference in some high profile

> > > charts?

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and

> > > answering it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for

> > > themselves...

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Dear PVR garu,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste.

> > > >

> > > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on

> > > Chiranjeevi failed ?

> > > >

> > > > I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to

> > > understand if

> > > > 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> > > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was the

> > > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to know

> > > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all the

> > > failures are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack

> > > of knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a

> > > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is

> > > available to us at this age is very limited and may not be accurate.

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > <deleted>

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