[HinduCalendar] Fwd: Reference for Rashi's in Vedas

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--- On Wed, 27/5/09, Prashant Pandey <praspandey wrote:

 

Prashant Pandey <praspandey

[HinduCalendar] Re: Fwd: Reference for Rashi's in Vedas

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Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 11:18 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Instead of Shri Kaulji, Proff R N Iyenger(Proff IISC Bang) also claims same

thing then definitely they are saying right as i have also heared same thing

from the learned ppl from VARANASI.

 

Even If S B Dixit has also written the same thing then it is quite obvious that

point is quite correct and there should be no counter arguments.

 

I was also confused as in past somebody also claimed that Rashis are there in

some scripture. But later i came to know he was talking some thing else means i

should say he was talking some non-sense as Shri R N Iyengar and Shri Kaulji

were talking of VEDAS and Purans, not sutras and Purans which are not of so

ancient times like those could be authored only 2000 yrs back. Some purans have

clearly indicated that their time of being authored is when VE is near about Ar

Sign(i am talking with sign because ppl have become use to with this

terminology) .But ppl are not understanding that time when VE would have been

near about Ar sign then that time would be near about 2000 yrs back.

BTW research in any field is not so easy task and only some ppl can do it and

find the truth.

 

Anyway now i think there are no counter arguments.

 

Thanks for your time to read my mail.

 

Prashant Pandey

 

HinduCalendar, " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@. ...>

wrote:

>

> WAVES-Vedic, Avinash Sathaye <sohum@> wrote:

>

> After watching a long exchange between Sunil Bhattacharya (SB) and

> Avatar Krishna Kaul(AKK),

> I finally found something I can look into: an explicit reference to the

> rAshis in RV.

>

> The reference from SB was:

> ) Vrshabha Rashi in Rig Veda (8.93.1). There are more Rashis in Rig Veda.

>

> 2) Meena Rashi in Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha (Verse No. 5)

>

> 3) Brahma Rashi in the Mahabharata had Abhijit Nakshatra. At that time

> the 28 Nakshatras were considered including Abhijt. Later on the

> Abhijit is dropped and 27 Nakshatras were counted and the Rashi

> containing Abhijit became the Makar Rashi.Any knowledgeable astrologer

> should know the earlier location of the Abhijit in the ecliptic.

>

> I checked the first reference and found the following:

> The padapATha form in 8.93.1 gives (using ITRANS notation):

> ut | gha | it | abhi | shruta.amabham | vRRiShabham | narya.aapasam |

> astAram | eShi | sUryam || 1 ||

> sAyaNa seems to say that sUkta refers to Indra and says: " indro.api

> sUryAtmanA paThitaH " - Indra is counted among the 12 Suns.

>

> His translation gives no hint that a rAshi is involved here, he consider

> " bull " as a symbol of wealth.

> Here is his paraphrase transformed in English with Sanskrit in parenthesis:

>

> the best known form of wealth (shrutamagham sarvathA deyatvena

> vikhyAtadhanam ata ), thus the Bull, (vRRiShabham ) - showering on the

> people requesting (yAchamAnAnAm dhanasya varShitAram ), bes tower of

> beneficial things (narya.aapasam)

> etc.

> I don't see any reasonable way to interpret the vRRiShabha as a rAshi.

> If there is a different explanation, please enlighten us.

>

> I tried to check the second reference. I could not find it.

> I possess a handwritten transcript of the text from the Chaukhamba book

> called yajuHshAstrIya jyotiSha and it contains 44 verses.

> The one numbered 5 is

> mAghashuklaprapanna sya pauShakRRiShNa samApinaH |

> yugasya pa~nchavarShasya kAlaj~nAnaM prachakShate ||

>

> I did not find the " Meena " rAshi yet.

> Somebody please give the verse and a convincing translation, unless it

> is clear.

> I do not possess the whole book, but if there is a convincing reference

> in it, I can get the relevant copy.

>

>

> I did not bother with mahabharata, since there is no concrete reference.

> The reference does not even claim that Makara rAshi is mentioned there,

> but only stipulates that any " knowledgeable astrologer " should know the

> earliest location of Abhijit.

> Since the references are to decide the date of introduction of rAshis,

> " the knowledge " of an astrologer should be waived as partisan evidence.

>

> Now, I partly understand why AKK kept on insisting a reference with a

> translation( :-))

>

> P.S. I have one request for people who engage in long drawn out debates.

> Often, the messages and counter messages are all kept in the body and

> the author's response is hard to find. It is also hard to sort out the

> new arguments from the old.Please, quote only the relevant portions,

> indicating if you have omitted parts . The interested reader can always

> go back and review the messages from the past(:-))

>

>

>

>

> --

>

>

> With Best Regards,

> Avinash Sathaye

>

> Web: www.msc.uky. edu/sohum

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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