[Ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: David Pingree's and Eric Forbes' papers on Mesopotamian influence on Indian astronomy

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Mail which i had forwarded is from one institution called as Harvard University.

 

One Hindu Proff also says same thing i have already said who is that person:-

 

Proff R N Iyengar ( Proff at IISC Bang, Deptt. of Civil Engineering)

 

Apart of those two institutions many many researchers and Proff(Hindu) also

claim same thing.

 

We(Hindu) were never wrong but Greeks culture influenced us and we forget all

things.

 

We are influenced from day one if we will see things with Sidereal perspective.

 

If we will see things with Cradinal points than we are true Vedic person and we

are not influenced by any culture.

 

Because of Indian Govts one wrong decision has desicrated our dharma when Lahiri

got success in his aganda and L N Saha failed to influence the committe, L N

Saha was talking of Cardinal points.

 

Anyway, now you have mind and you can think all things.I have blasted all things

with full force and will continue with this and i am also doing some ground

work.

 

OUR VEDAS ARE SUPREME.

 

Jai HINDU Jai HINDU-VEDA

THANKS

 

vedic astrology , " astrolearner_brazil "

<astrolearner_brazil wrote:

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> Dear Friends,

>

> First and foremost thing to point out is :-

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> GREEKS astronomy is based on constellation and our astronomy(VEDAS and PURANS)

is based on Cardinal points i have also provided verses from one forwarded mail.

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> Now we have adpoted Sidereal things because of LAHIRI now we are supposed to

be Sidereal person but it is not like that.From day one of side real things we

are influenced with Mesopotamian influence.(He He He He He)....

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> Why day one,,, now you can understand,,,, if we will go according to Grreks

means sidereal things than our astronomy is influenced from day one.But if we

will go back to Cardinal points than we are not influenced from day one.(He He

He He He)

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> Mesopotamian influence on Indian astronomy came around some 15 or 16 BC.

>

> But our VEDAS and PURANS are older than 15 or 16 BC.

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> In VEDAS and PURANS there is talk of Cardinal points and also about seasons

and i also have forwarded mail with VERSES from VEDAS and PURANS.

>

> Mesopotamian influence on Indian astronomy, started when they attacked India.I

will also forward one mail in which there is clear-cut indication that Greek's

astronomy was based on constellation, and some Greeks also stopped our system

and our system is till now stuck to Sidereal things.

>

> But our astronomy was based on Cardinal points as i have already forwarded

mail with Verses from VEDAS and Purans.

>

> Our VEDAS and Purans knowledge is supreme as they have used Cardinal points

and Ayans.

>

> I will forward both mails when i will get the time:-

> 1) Mail of Mr. A K Kaul with verses of VEDAS and Purans.

> 2) I will also send one mail from many many research fellows

>

> I will appeal please save our VEDAS and PURANS from the clutch of GREEKS

missionaries.

>

> Thanks

>

> vedic astrology , Astrolearner Brazil

<astrolearner_brazil@> wrote:

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> > --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@> wrote:

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> > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@>

> > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Fwd: David Pingree's and Eric Forbes'

papers on Mesopotamian influence on Indian astronomy

> > Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest

> > Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 12:36 PM

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> > Things which are not entrusted to us as our legacy (Even-though those

arguments in astronomical calculations doesn’t hold water), ppl are

saying it is our legacy. What an Irony!!!!

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> > Things which our ancestors have given us are our legacy,and ppl are refuting

it and giving abuses to followers of VEDAS and PURANS. Due to God grace our

ancestors were correct, in their way of writing about astronomical things (Means

they have used Cardinal points to calculate ages and to tell about their current

running age)

> >

> > We all know devils (from other cultures ie GREEKS) also use to be around us

and those devils' clans in past used our HINDU Gods names to pose their wrong

astronomical works (Sidhanta) and they hijacked our whole community and

brainwashed all Hindus' Minds and said that whatever they are writing, means

corrupted Sidhanta (though wrong astronomical works why wrong,, because they are

Devils ( Rakshas Kahinkay) ) is our culture. Hey Ram !!!

> > Those Devils(Terrorists, Aatankwadi log) are still around and roaming

around,, even on internet- forums now-a-days.

> >

> > It is nice that still those testimonials (Our Pious VEDAS and PURANS (HINDU

PURANS)) are between us and we can authenticate Hindu Culture's history.

> >

> > It’s really hurting to see that we are following some other cultures

Calendar. Its really desecration, denigration and degradation of VEDAS and

PURANS (aray Ram-Ram chi chi chi)

> >

> > Jai HINDU Jai HINDU-VEDA

> > Jai Hind

> >

> > Prashant Pandey

> >

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, " Avtar

Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > Abhinavagupta, " Sunthar Visuvalingam " <suntharv@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > You can find the full text of David Pingree's paper " The Mesopotamian

Origin

> > > of Early Indian Mathematical Astronomy " at

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> > > http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu//full/ 1973JHA.. ...4....1P/

0000001..000. htm

> > > l

> > > <http://articles. adsabs.harvard. edu/full/ 1973JHA.. ...4....1P/

0000001..000. htm

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> > > and also another relevant paper (in PDF) by Eric G. Forbes, " Mesopotamian

> > > and Greek influences on Ancient Indian Astronomy and on the work of

> > > ²yabhaTa at

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> > > http://www.new. dli.ernet. in/rawdataupload /upload/insa/ INSA_1/20005af8_

150.pd

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> > > Sunthar

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> > >

> > > [Follow-up on my comment (below) on Francesco's post (26 May 2009) at

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> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5047

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> > > Rest of this thread at Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

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> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5051]

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> > > ???????????? ?

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> > > Francesco,

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> > >

> > > I've temporarily changed the setting to allow members to upload files, and

> > > will change it back to moderator only after you post the link to the

> > > uploaded file(s).

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> > > Sunthar

> > >

> > >

> > > Francesco Brighenti

> > > Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:07 AM

> > > Abhinavagupta

> > > [Abhinavagupta] Re: Secrets of the Earth

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> > > Indeed, on pp. 72-74 of his paper uploaded at

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> > > http://www.ejvs. laurasianacademy .com/ejvs0703/ ejvs0703article. pdf ,

> > >

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> > >

> > > Witzel therein supplies a terse yet dense discussion of the wrong

(according

> > > to his views) dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE. To this effect, he also cites

a

> > > paper by the well-known world espert of jyotihshastra (Sanskrit astral and

> > > mathematical literature), David Pingree, which I have loaded on my PC (D.

> > > Pingree, " The Mesopotamian Origin of Early Indian Mathematical Astronomy, "

> > > _Journal for the History of Astronomy_ 4 [1973], pp. 1-12). I'd like to

> > > upload a copy of this paper on the Files section of the Abhinavagupta

List,

> > > but, due to some restriction set up by the Moderator, this is not allowed

to

> > > me (and I cannot even attach it to a message to the List because I don't

use

> > > an e-mail program, but write my messages directly on the Web instead). If

> > > Sunthar wants, I can e-mail a copy of this paper directly to him as a PDF

> > > attachment, and he can then add it to the List's Files section. In the

> > > meanwhile, you can read Witzel's faithful summary of Pingree's arguments

> > > against the dating of the VJ at 1400 BCE on p. 73 of the paper whose link

I

> > > have provided above.

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> > >

> > > I'd like to see your detailed counter-arguments against Pingree & Witzel's

> > > conclusions, Koenraad. Same w.r.t. Avtar Krishen Kaul's post archived at

> > >

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> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5036 ,

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> > >

> > > for, as far as I can see, his " super-high " chronology for the Vedas and

the

> > > Mahabharata almost entirely rests on the assumption that the VJ was

composed

> > > circa 1400 BCE.

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> > >

> > >

> > > Kindest regards,

> > >

> > > Francesco

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Response to Koenraad's post (26 May 2009) at

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> > > http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5044]

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