Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Narasimha, The Avatar-Mahavidya co-relation is for a different purpose. The Todala Tantra gives a different co-relation: Nîla Târâ – Matsya Bagalâmukhî – Kûrma Dhumâvatî - Varâha Chinnamastâ – Narasimha Bhuvaneshvarî - Vâmana Tripurasundarî (Shodasî) – Parashurâma Mâtangî – Râma Bhairavî – Balabhadra Mahâkâlî – Krishna Kamalâ – Buddha Durgâ – Kalki They may be other co-relations as well. The Planet-Mahavidya co-relation is not SJC’s version. It is used by many pandits and priests. Some of them have it in their web sites, and they are not linked with SJC in any way. I don’t think this is the issue here. The issue is to understand the different schemes of relations between the Avatars and the Mahavidyas, for which one needs to delve deep into the Mahavidyas and understand these various schemes. I just wanted to share a few points about some of the Mahavidyas for deeper reflection. Sadashiva/Mahakal lying beneath Kali is the nirguna, Purusha from whom the gunatmika Prakriti, in the form of Kali, has sprung. Kali’s wild dance is the lila of srishti. Kali’s foot, touching Sadashiva, signifies the connection between Purusha and Prakriti; that it is the same Brahma who can be at once nirguna (Purusha/Sadashiva) and saguna (Prakriti/Kali). The imagery is the personification of Shivashaktiaikya or Prakritipurushaaikya. The Avatar-Mahavidya connection depicts this aspect. Narayanchandra also adheres to this belief. Kali holds the power to severe in one stroke, with her khagda, the bondage of the atma with the body and mind. Thakur speaks of his visit to Varanasi, where at Manikarnika, he saw clearly Kali moving from corpse to corpse, detatching the soul. Although Kali is the gunatmika form of the Brahma, in the spectrum of the forms of the Divine Feminine, she is nirguna. She burns your sins by ‘eating’ the fruits of all your karmas, thereby making you ready for that bandhna mukti. A special puja of hers is the Phalaharini Kali Puja, performed without fail by Thakur each year (and continues in the RKM Maths and Missions to this day); a very auspicious Kali Puja, where she ‘eats’ all your karma phalas. The study of her imagery is vast; if you go into the details about her skull garland, which represents the varnas- mundamala is actually varnamala-; why her teeth is pressing her protruding tongue and so on. Saturn is related to sins, longevity, re-birth, the lord of the tithi amavasya, when she is worshipped; the darkest of nights for cleansing the darkest of sins. It is in amavsaya, that Mahakal and Mahakali are united in a permanent embrace; in the aloneness of the deepest of dark nights. In tantra, amaa-kalaa is known as Prakriti. A Moon bereft of any kalaas. (The other divine form who rermoves your sins instantly is Krishna). To reach Kali you must cross the bhava sagar; the ocean of karmas, the ocean of sansar filled with the waves of our illusory attachments. Tara helps us to cross over this sorrowful ocean, so that we can reach Kali. Hence Tarini – she who helps us cross the bhava sagar. She is the shakti of Brihaspati and if you read the Tararahasyam you will see that she is worshipped with the vagbhava bija aim. (Although her mula bija is the pranava). She has emerged from the bija Hum, by which the evils of the sansar are suppressed. Without her strength you cannot cross that ocean. Her various forms – Ugratara, Ekajata, Nila Sarasvati – explains further, details of the layers of this shakti. One of Nila Sarasvati’s mantra is Aim Aim Vada Vada Vagvidini Svaha; associations of Tara with the Guru, with knowledge. She bestows the knowledge of crossing the ocean. The Moon attains its full 16 kalas on purnima; the devi is then Shodashi. Resplendent, majestic and manifest. The queen of the three puras. Tri- puras also represent the three aspects of the Kundalini shakti. She is the empress of kundalini. Very much saguna. Prithvi tattva Mercury is associated with her. Sri shakti; hence linked with the most saumya of the planets. She is Mantratmika. Because Mercury is related to learning; Tripurasundari is worshipped in all guru-shishya paramparas. Incidentally she is worshipped on Thurdays. Thakur performed the shodasa upachar puja to ma as Shodasi. Although Ma has said, “Know that I am Bagala”. (In the chart provided in her biography by Swami Gambhirananda, she is Karka lagna with lagna lord and AK Moon conjoined Mars). Devi Chhinnnamasta is the thunderbolt, the streak of lightening, which is the shakti of Virocana, the Supreme Self, the luminosity of the Primordial Prakasa. That is why she is Vajravairocani, the glow of the Paramatma which flashes like a lightening and shatters the skies. She is yellow and shines like a million suns, the glory of which destroys all desires and makes her a Mahayogini, the supreme exponent of yogic powers and like Vajra, pure and blazing. She epitomizes self-control by conquering sexual and selfish desires and transforming that energy into yogic energy. Hence she is Yogamaya, Yogamargapradayini, the acme of yogic force. The blood rushing from below her feet to her head depicts this transformation of kunadalini energy from its somnabulence to its blossoming through the dint of yoga and the act of self control. Be the energy below the control of sexual desire of Rati and Kama, or the transformation of the eternal yearning for Shiva under her feet, both are channelized into a blazing, yogic might, which makes her like the Vajra, untainted and pure. This primal energy rushes up her body to meet the thousand petalled lotus in her head, culminating in the bliss of the union with Parama Shiva. Hence she is the epitome of spiritual power which every sadhaka seeks to acquire. The energy is also channelized into love as the blood nourishes her devotees on her either side, who were hungry for nourishment. So she is the food (bhojanam), the nourisher (bhokta) and the eater (bhojyam) as she also drinks her own blood while feeding her devotees. These two devotees are Rajas and Tamas, who could not escape the bind of duality, and are therefore fed by the secondary channels or nadis, Ira and Pingala. Thus they are also known by these names. The Devi as the Sushumna, depicts Satva guna and she is the one who is able to cut the binds of the chakras and clear the passage for the blood to rush though and unite with Shiva in the sahasrara and then gush down to drench the sadhaka in the bliss of the union. As the destroyer of all bonds, and the means of achieving liberation through supreme yogic powers, Chhinnamasta is the embodiment of Moksha. Rahu, the greatest of bonders, the cause of re-birth, grips the sadhaka in its vicious coils. From its basest form of extreme greed and carnal desires, through the treachery and trickery of its twisted mind, it seeks to engulf all that comes before his path. Even when a person is able to avoid such engulfment, it ensures that his path towards the union with Parama Shiva is strewn with hurdles and makes it difficult for the sadhaka to prise himself from his grasp. It is Chhinnamasta who has the power to cut the knots of Rahu and release the sadhaka from his bonds to enable his journey towards Moksha. Chhinnamasta therefore is the link, which allows one to travel the trajectory from Rahu (bondage) to Ketu (liberation), wherein all desires are dissolved. Having cut the bonds, Devi herself absorbs the poison and transforms herself to Dhoomavati, the widow. Best Regards, Sarbani Rath Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao 07 June 2009 22:03 ; ; vedic astrology ; sohamsa Re: Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas Dear Swee, > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ?????????? - so the list > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are trying > to teach. Munda does not have such a meaning at all. It means a head, especially a shaved head. It also symbolizes ego. Munda maala is a garland of heads and symbolizes the endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth. * * * Dear Sarbani, Good to hear from you! Please convey my regards to Sanjay ji. > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, " Jyotish > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > <verse..see below> > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. Thank you for giving a classical reference to the SJC version of planet-Mahavidya mapping. Do you know when Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya lived? If he does not name the tantra that he " has quoted from " , that is not helpful. Munda Maala Tantra, on the other hand, is a respected Tantra text. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Narasimha, > > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, " Jyotish > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > Divaakarasya Matangi Chandrasya Bhuvaneshvari > Kujasya Bagalaadevi Budhasya Parasundari. > Tara Brihaspateshchaiva Shukrasya Kamaltmika > Shanestu Dakshinakaali Grahanaamishtadevtaa.. > Chhinnamastaa Tathaa Raahoh Ketordhumavati Tathaa. > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. He has further proceeded > to construct a table called Sarbadukhaharachakramidam, where he has mapped > the planets with the Dashavatars and the Dasha Mahavidyas. It might be of > intereste to you. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Rath > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Narasimha, > > Namaste > > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ?????????? - so the list > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are trying > to teach. > > According to my Guru, Chhinnamasta is akin to Rahu, fierce and its vidya > quells the rebellious aspect of the enemy. Nothing to do with cleansing the > Indriya per se, but the prevailing external forces which we can map to our > horoscopes. Parasara of course teaches us that it is not one, but two or > more malefics that causes such pain. > > Baglamukhi is Mars, since she helps in lawsuits and contentious issues with > land. Both issues point to Mars as the karaka in learner jyotish. Whilst we > are at it, I am surprised you did not but her in the category of Venus, the > 2nd house lord of the natural horoscope and speech.since Bablamukhi is > number one for causing stambhan. > > You may enjoy reading the Narada Purana with its wonderful exposition on the > expansions of the shaktis and get a better idea on the same, since it is > evident that you have given a list off the cuff and off course. > > Thanks for reading. > > Love, > > Swee > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > 06 June 2009 22:54 > > Cc: vedic astrology ; ; > sohamsa > Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas > > Dear Narayan, > > Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all planet-mahavidya > mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. > > Sun - Taaraa - Raama > Moon - Kaali - Krishna > Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha > Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha > Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana > Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama > Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma > Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha > Ketu - Kamala - Matsya > > * * * > > Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas are the > ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, > approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. > mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not liberate us. > But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and forms > described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten > types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. > > * * * > > Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the > duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, > some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as ugly etc is > what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is > liberation or moksha. > > Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality > around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different angles. > From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is something > that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end (supreme > cosmic soul). From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is > something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that it cannot > tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee > (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the > problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the point of > view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that needs > to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning > ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and > understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of > enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be accepted > and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is Brahman. > Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. > > But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to overcoming > duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It > becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually overcomes > duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end result is > the same irrespective of the approach chosen. > > * * * > > Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving > deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) the ocean > of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that helps > one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the > supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Taaraa > personifies this knowledge. > > Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from > delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and > desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the > knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect control > on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. > Kaali personifies this knowledge. > > Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one fearlessness of > anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly > fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi personifies > this knowledge. > > Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of > knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one > learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you > mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, > other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi > personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with > Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . > > Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) within us. > The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is > that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and everything > they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any other > perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like > figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your intellect > shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not deluded > by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you eventually get > liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. > > Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and > blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and > you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will follow > and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this knowledge. > She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a > naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking > wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any pleasures, > but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure obtained > with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The headless state > symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not > binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having no sense > of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or undertaking > any austerities and yet become liberated. > > Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our > weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep > into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and destroy > them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses such as > laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy etc, other > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi > personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy enemies and > so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in > litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a king to > ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger > things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The > enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own laziness. > Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that > liberates you! > > Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who > binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing > rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly success > in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially > successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your > duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. Bhuvaneswari > personifies this knowledge. > > Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The > highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is the > essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in > oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get liberation. Kamala > (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati rahasya > also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of > supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, > Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and > their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme cosmic energy > of the supreme cosmic being. > > * * * > > One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas > (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which > aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the sinfulness and > weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of fighting? > or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than > others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that aspect to > take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that is most > suitable, but do master that aspect. > > * * * > > There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one Mahavidya's mantra > for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by doing > each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya > sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should > pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of > success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part of your > common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge in your > thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external > human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal > human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result > should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common sense > and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a mahavidya but > not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. > > There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others who claim > to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually possess > any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of the most > ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. It is > easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are beyond > the capability of understanding for most people. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: <> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " naaraayana_iyer " < <narayan.iyer > narayan.iyer > < > > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM > Re: Rama as God > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans format): > > > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth (Bhuvaneshvari) > > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys all evil > > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the Matsya the > > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had come to > > articulate the message of truth. > > > > Regards > > Narayan > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Narayan, > >> > >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha vidyas. > >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches > >> Parvati > >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of > >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > >> Spirituality: <> > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > http://www.SriJagannath.org > >> > >> > >> - > >> " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer@> > >> < > > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM > >> Re: Rama as God > >> > >> > >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, > >> > > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to the path > > >> >> of > >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. > >> > > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. > >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is Kreem. > >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the > >> > Taaraka > >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us > >> > cross-over > >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had to cross > >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, Lakshmana is > >> > the > >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the Kundalini > >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita and > >> > takes > >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the > >> > kundalini > >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, > >> > which > >> > is what Lanka is. > >> > > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya & Das > >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. > >> > > >> > Hope this helps. > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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