References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga Jyotisha.

[Guest guest]

 

Dear Shri Ujjagar Singhji and the learned Vedic scholars

 

Kindly look at the following:

 

 Quote

 

To impute ignorance of knowledge of puranas to all these scholars shows the

intentions of “Vedic astrologersâ€---they are none too honest!

 

Unquote

 

I think the scholars like S.B.Dixit, T.S.Kupunna Sastry, Meghnad Saha,

S.K.Chatterjee and .K.Bag  are honest persons and not hypocrites. If they

would have read the Puranas they would have definitely found the Rashis

mentioned there and would not have said that the Rashis are not there in the

Vedic loiterature. Chandogya and Brhadaranyaka Upanishads call the Puranas as

the Fifth Veda. The Mahabharata tells us that there is an injunction that one

must read the Puranas before reading the Vedas. Now in the light of this kindly

also judge for yourself whether these scholars have read the Vedas or not. I am

not casting any aspersions on these scholars. I am telling what the logical

conclusion anybody can draw with an objective frame of mind. If there is any

fault in the logic kindly do not hesitate to point that out and I shall be

grateful to you for that.

 

Previously I submitted several references from the Veda and Vedanga jyotisha on

the presence of Rashi in these texts. In addition, now I wish to to submit

additional references from the Vamana purana (5. 29 - 43), where Pulastya told

Narada about the fixed Nakshatras included in each of the Rashis such as

Mesha thereby proclaiming that the Rashis are Sidereal and not Tropical. Had

the scholars like Dixit read the  Upanishads they would have fdefinitely ound

that in the Chandogya Upanishad (7. 1 - 3) Narada told Sanatkumara that

he knew the Nakshatra Vidya (Astronomy) and the Rashi Vidya (Astrology). 

 

In the Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna told Arjuna that among the month He is the

Margashirsha. In the Vamana Purana  the sage Sanatkumara tells about the

Lunar months corresponding to the Sun's position in different Rashis thereby

showing that sidereal Soli-Lunar calendar is the real Vedic calendar. He says

how the lunar month Margashirsha is related to the Sun's position in the Vrscika

Rashi.

 

vÄkÄraṃ nÄbhisaṃyuktaṃ sthitastatra tu vṛścikaḥ |

mÄso mÄrgaÅ›iro nÄma tvaṣṭamaṃ patrakaṃ smá¹›tam || 35.61 ||

 

In the Vedic time the seasons were also recognised as Lord Krishna tells Arjuna

in the Bhagavad Gita that among the Ritus he is the Kusumakara, ie. the Vasanta

Ritu. Vasanta Ritu includes the seasonal months of Madhu and Madhava.  These

seasonal months were required for the purpose of agriculture as well as for the

seasonal festivals and they go on changing their occurrences in the Nakashatras

due to precession of the Earth. 

 

I have submitted to you in this as well as in the earlier mails that the

Rashis are there in the ancient Vedic literature and that these have not been

imported from the Babylonia as David Pingree and subsequently the many other

ill-informed persons would like you to believe. Secondly the Vedic calendar is

Sidereal and not Tropical and the Tropical months are recognised but their

positions with respect to the fixed Nakshatras will go on changing due to the

Precession of the earth.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. BHattacharjya

 

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 6/14/09, Avtar <Avtar wrote:

 

 

Avtar <Avtar

[Abhinavagupta] FW: References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga

Jyotisha.

abhinavagupta

Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:30 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

jyotirved [jyotirved@ sify.com]

Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:55 PM

'uswassan '

Cc: 'subash razdan'; 'soham '; 'hinducalendar';

'hinducivilization'; 'usbrahmins';

'indian_astrology_ group_daily_ digest@grou ps.com'; 'indiaarchaeology@

. com'

References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga Jyotisha.

 

 

 

 

 

Shri Ujjagar Singh Wassanji,

Namaskar!

Shri Subhash Razdan has sent me copy of your following message, “May be

somebody should compile all the contemporary comments and have a discussion at

meeting. It is too important a topic to let it go waste. Interested please

cooperateâ€.

 

Since I have d from WAVES-Vedic,  I am unable to post any comment on

that forum.  However, I am sure you have heard the famous saying, “all that

glitters is not goldâ€.

All I can say is that Vedic mantras are being twisted to prove the existence of

non-existent Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas which would put to shame

even Satan himself.  To say that Agastya is known as Kumbhaja because he was

born in so called Kumbha Rashi is the real joke of the last several millennia! 

Similarly, if someone says, “It is evident that the scholars like S.B.Dixit,

T.S.Kupunna Sastry, Meghnad Saha, S.K.Chatterjee and A.K. Bag had unfortunately

not read the Bhagavata purana and the Vedas and therefore they have not seen the

references to the Rashis in these texts. Their knowledge of the ancient Indian

chronology was also limited to that of the Max Mullerian chronology†he is

again making such insinuations that can be digested only by “Vedic

astrologers†and their clans, since none of them has read any of the works by

Dixit of Sastry etc. himself!  To impute ignorance of knowledge of puranas to

all these scholars shows the intentions of “Vedic astrologersâ€---they are

none too honest!

Talking of Rashis in the Bhagavata and other Puranas it has been discussed by me

thoroughly in one of the posts (BVB6.doc) several times on the WAVES and other

forums!   It is actually a copy of a letter that was sent to all the branches

of Bharatiya Vidya Bhvan several years back!  The rashis that we come across in

Puranas and sidhantas etc. are actually so called Sayana i.e. if at all there

has to be a Makar Sankranti, it has to be the day of Uttarayana and so on!  But

then that is an anathema to “Vedic astrologers†since their bread and butter

depends only on proving that Makar Sanrkanti is on January14/15 and so on.

I was actually myself under the same delusion for a considerable time that the

real Vamadevas had nothing else to do except prepare horoscopes of every Tom,

Dick and Harry from so called nirayana Rashis and their “owners†like

inanimate planets like Mangal, Shani etc.  But thanks to the real Vedic rishis,

I woke to the situation and repudiated all the claims of “Vedic astrologersâ€

that there are Rashis in the Vedas.  Now they have devised devious ways of

interpreting Vedic mantras in a manner that suits their fancy!  Majority of

Hindus being “scholars†of “Vedic astrology†instead of the Vedas fall

easily hook, line and sinker for these ploys of “Vedic jyotishisâ€.

In any case, a thorough discussion on the points raised by Shri Bhattacharjya is

going on in several other forums like abhinavagupta, vedic-reserach_ institute,

indiaarchaeology etc. I have also  started, several years back, a forum

http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar for streamlining the Hindu

calendar. Posts to that forum are not moderated.  If you so desire, you are

welcome to join that forum.  I am sending you an invitation for the same

separately.

With regards,

A K Kaul

 

 

http://groups. / group/WAVES- Vedic/pending? view=1 & msg=5285

-----Inline Message Follows-----

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Veda Interested Audience

 

May be somebody should compile all the contemporary comments and have a

discussion at meeting. It is too important a topic to let it go waste.

Interested please cooperate. Best wishes.

 

Ujjagar Singh Wassan

 

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> wrote:

 

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @>

[WAVES-Vedic] Re: [Abhinavagupta] References of Rashis in the Vedaas

and the Vedanga Jyotisha?

Abhinavagupta

Cc: ancient_indian_ astrology, ,

vedic astrology, vedic_research_ institute,

indiaarchaeology, ,

USBrahmins@gro ups.com, waves-vedic

Thursday, June 11, 2009, 1:37 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

 

 

 

 

 

The Rashis are mentioned in the Vedas and Vedanga Jyotisha as shown in my

earlier mail. Rashis are also given in the Bhagavata Purana. As the Vedic

verses are cryptic in nature everybody may not be able  to understand these

verses and this was deliberately made so such