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Anup Khanna <khannaanup32

vedic astrology

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:03:54 PM

[vedic astrology] Fw: Re: Re: [VRI] FW: Re: References

of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga Jyotisha.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 23/6/09, Dinesh Dheengra <dineshdheengra@ .in> wrote:

 

Dinesh Dheengra <dineshdheengra@ .in>

Re: Re: [VRI] FW: Re: References of Rashis in the Vedaas

and the Vedanga Jyotisha.

 

Tuesday, 23 June, 2009, 1:16 PM

 

Respected Sunil Sir,

 

You have said as below :-

 

Quote

 

To my knowledge the animal shapes have been ascribed to the Rashis only.

 

Unquote

 

Sir then why our Rashis are of equal divisions ie of 30 degrees if those came in

existence

due to those animal shapes generated by cluster of stars.

 

Some animals are overlapping each other at same longitudes then how we will

decide which animal will represent which Rashi.

 

Sir Please also let us know which point will you take as starting point of

Aries.

 

Why all rashis are not meeting starting and ending point according to thoe

animals.

 

Sir in those animals, ophichus was also there but why ppl have ignored those.

 

By the way by those stars(by which GREEKS have made animals), i can also

make donkey and Machaina Saanp(snake which lives in gutter), khatmal(bed bugs),

machhar(mosquito) and my cute Monkey.

 

Dinesh Dheengara

 

--- On Mon, 22/6/09, sunil_bhattacharjya @ <sunil_bhattacharjya

@> wrote:

 

sunil_bhattacharjya @ <sunil_bhattacharjya @>

Re: [VRI] FW: Re: References of Rashis in the Vedaas and

the Vedanga Jyotisha.

vedic_research_ institute

Cc: ancient_indian_ astrology, ,

vedic-jyotish

Monday, 22 June, 2009, 2:23 AM

 

 

Kaulji,

 

1)

Kaulji wrote as follows:

 

Quote

 

Personally, I do not think that the Vedic Seers were that foolish to have

advised to make predictions from imaginary animals of an imaginary belt.  But

then you never know, maybe " modern Vedic astrologers " have seen the " paroskhya

meaning " of " paroskhya rashi " based " parokshya predictions " which people like me

cannot.

 

Unquote

 

Yes, my sympathies are with you and it is true that all people cannot

understand the Vedas and sometimes get peeved when they hear of the Paroksha

meaning of the Vedic verses and sometimes even ridicule that Vedas have secret

meanings, but what can be done as the facts are like that. Brhadaranyaka

Upanishad does clearly state about the Paroksha meanings.

 

2)

The Rashis are groups of stars and if the formation or shape resembles that of

animals would that not have been useful to the naked eye astronomical

observers? What alternative ways can one suggest to distinguish in the sky the

different groups of stars in the Rashis? Can Avtarji would  have any

alternative suggestions if he dislikes the imaginary animals in the sky?

 

3)

" Bha-chakra " is " Nakshatra-chkra " . Now how can Avtarji say that " Bha-chakra " is

the same as the " Mriga-chakra " ? To my knowledge the animal shapes have been

ascribed to the Rashis only. May be the other scholars like Sreenadhji, Vinay

Jhaji, Chandrahariji, Sunil Nairji can also express their views on this..

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

[--- On Sun, 6/21/09, jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote:

 

jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com>

[VRI] FW: Re: References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga

Jyotisha.

hinducalendar

Sunday, June 21, 2009, 5:55 AM

 

 

 

 

jyotirved [jyotirved@ sify.com]

Sunday, June 21, 2009 2:43 PM

'abhinavagupta'

Re: References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga Jyotisha.

 

Shri Sarvesh Tiwariji,

Namaskar!

You have said,

 

<One clear reference in The Great bhArata concerning the connection of zodiac,

predictice astrology and brAhmaNa jyotiShi-s:

 apyevaM no brAhmaNAH santi vR^iddhA

bahushrutAH shIlavantaH kulInAH

sA.nvatsarA jyotiShi chApi yuktA

nakShatrayogeShu cha nishchayaGYAH

uchchAvacha. n daivayukta.n rahasyaM

divyAH prashnA mR^igachakrA muhUrtA

kShayaM mahAnta.n kurusR^i~njayAnAM

nivedayante pANDavAnA.n jayaM cha

tathA hi no manyate.ajAtashatru H

sa.nsiddhArtho dviShatAM nigrahAya

(udyoga parvan) >

 

1. Pl. give the exact reference in the Udyoga Parvan so that one could check the

context of the topic.

2. Is this the only (isolated) reference of Rashis in the Mbh(according to you

and not actually!) or do you have other references as well.

3. It maybe of interest to you that in ancient India bha-chakra did not

necessarily mean Rashichakra but nakshatra-chakra as well.  As such, how can

one be sure that it is not nakshatra-chakra that is being discussed under the

title " mrigachakra " .

4. Zodiac is an " imaginary belt " with " imaginary animals " none of which is equal

to one another.  Those animals were known as constellations and became known as

Mesha etc. rashis later.  They are actually of Greek origin, whereas nakshatras

are of Indian origin..

5. If we take only naksahtras into consideration, presuming that mrigachakra

means nakshatra-shakra, forgetting the rashis for a moment, what would that

nakshatra-chakra be known as, if not “Zodiac�

5. Personally, I do not think that the Vedic Seers were that foolish to have

advised to make predictions from imaginary animals of an imaginary belt.  But

then you never know, maybe " modern Vedic astrologers " have seen the " paroskhya

meaning " of " paroskhya rashi " based " parokshya predictions " which people like me

cannot.

Regards,

A K Kaul

[Reply to Sarwesh Tiwari’s post (20 June 2009) at

 

http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5181

 

Abhinavagupta, Sarvesh Tiwari wrote:

 

namaste

 

One clear reference in The Great bhArata concerning the connection of zodiac,

predictice astrology and brAhmaNa jyotiShi-s:

 

apyevaM no brAhmaNAH santi vR^iddhA

bahushrutAH shIlavantaH kulInAH

sA.nvatsarA jyotiShi chApi yuktA

nakShatrayogeShu cha nishchayaGYAH

uchchAvacha. n daivayukta.n rahasyaM

divyAH prashnA mR^igachakrA muhUrtA

kShayaM mahAnta.n kurusR^i~njayAnAM

nivedayante pANDavAnA.n jayaM cha

tathA hi no manyate.ajAtashatru H

sa.nsiddhArtho dviShatAM nigrahAya

(udyoga parvan) 

 

notice the usage of the term " mR^igachakra " which would be the literal meaning

of " Zodiac " .  Also notice that the reference talks of brAhmaNa jyotiShi-s

predicting the imminent victory for the pANDava-s and rout of the kaurava-s on

basis of the muhUrta, relative positions of nakShatra-s etc.  It

also mentions, at least in a third person testimony, of the faith people might

already have in this field when these lines were written -- here it says

that 'with such prediction yudhiShThira was already considering his objectives

met.'

 

While I concur that there is nothing vedic about predictive astrology, I am of

the opinion that this business is fairly old, not a total import by

Hindus too, and giving too much credit to greek influence is similar to the

earlier case of other fields too like the medicine, chemistry, bIjagaNita and

philosophy.

 

Warm Regards

Sarvesh Tiwari

 

[Reply to Koenraad Elst's post (19 June 2009) at

 

http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5178]

 

 

 

 

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