Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Dear Sir, Hi good evening i m not jyotis but i can change your life because i have great opetunity to earn and be relaxed for the lifetime. so if u want to chaege your life than mail me. ________________________________ Anup Khanna <khannaanup32 vedic astrology Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:03:54 PM [vedic astrology] Fw: Re: Re: [VRI] FW: Re: References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga Jyotisha. --- On Tue, 23/6/09, Dinesh Dheengra <dineshdheengra@ .in> wrote: Dinesh Dheengra <dineshdheengra@ .in> Re: Re: [VRI] FW: Re: References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga Jyotisha. Tuesday, 23 June, 2009, 1:16 PM Respected Sunil Sir,  You have said as below :-  Quote  To my knowledge the animal shapes have been ascribed to the Rashis only.  Unquote  Sir then why our Rashis are of equal divisions ie of 30 degrees if those came in existence due to those animal shapes generated by cluster of stars.  Some animals are overlapping each other at same longitudes then how we will decide which animal will represent which Rashi.  Sir Please also let us know which point will you take as starting point of Aries.  Why all rashis are not meeting starting and ending point according to thoe animals.  Sir in those animals, ophichus was also there but why ppl have ignored those.  By the way by those stars(by which GREEKS have made animals), i can also make donkey and Machaina Saanp(snake which lives in gutter), khatmal(bed bugs), machhar(mosquito) and my cute Monkey.  Dinesh Dheengara --- On Mon, 22/6/09, sunil_bhattacharjya @ <sunil_bhattacharjya @> wrote: sunil_bhattacharjya @ <sunil_bhattacharjya @> Re: [VRI] FW: Re: References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga Jyotisha. vedic_research_ institute Cc: ancient_indian_ astrology, , vedic-jyotish Monday, 22 June, 2009, 2:23 AM  Kaulji,  1) Kaulji wrote as follows:  Quote  Personally, I do not think that the Vedic Seers were that foolish to have advised to make predictions from imaginary animals of an imaginary belt. But then you never know, maybe " modern Vedic astrologers " have seen the " paroskhya meaning " of " paroskhya rashi " based " parokshya predictions " which people like me cannot.  Unquote  Yes, my sympathies are with you and it is true that all people cannot understand the Vedas and sometimes get peeved when they hear of the Paroksha meaning of the Vedic verses and sometimes even ridicule that Vedas have secret meanings, but what can be done as the facts are like that. Brhadaranyaka Upanishad does clearly state about the Paroksha meanings.  2) The Rashis are groups of stars and if the formation or shape resembles that of animals would that not have been useful to the naked eye astronomical observers? What alternative ways can one suggest to distinguish in the sky the different groups of stars in the Rashis? Can Avtarji would have any alternative suggestions if he dislikes the imaginary animals in the sky?  3) " Bha-chakra " is " Nakshatra-chkra " . Now how can Avtarji say that " Bha-chakra " is the same as the " Mriga-chakra " ? To my knowledge the animal shapes have been ascribed to the Rashis only. May be the other scholars like Sreenadhji, Vinay Jhaji, Chandrahariji, Sunil Nairji can also express their views on this..  Regards,  Sunil K. Bhattacharjya   [--- On Sun, 6/21/09, jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote: jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> [VRI] FW: Re: References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga Jyotisha. hinducalendar Sunday, June 21, 2009, 5:55 AM   jyotirved [jyotirved@ sify.com] Sunday, June 21, 2009 2:43 PM 'abhinavagupta' Re: References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga Jyotisha.  Shri Sarvesh Tiwariji, Namaskar! You have said,  <One clear reference in The Great bhArata concerning the connection of zodiac, predictice astrology and brAhmaNa jyotiShi-s:  apyevaM no brAhmaNAH santi vR^iddhA bahushrutAH shIlavantaH kulInAH sA.nvatsarA jyotiShi chApi yuktA nakShatrayogeShu cha nishchayaGYAH uchchAvacha. n daivayukta.n rahasyaM divyAH prashnA mR^igachakrA muhUrtA kShayaM mahAnta.n kurusR^i~njayAnAM nivedayante pANDavAnA.n jayaM cha tathA hi no manyate.ajAtashatru H sa.nsiddhArtho dviShatAM nigrahAya (udyoga parvan) >  1. Pl. give the exact reference in the Udyoga Parvan so that one could check the context of the topic. 2. Is this the only (isolated) reference of Rashis in the Mbh(according to you and not actually!) or do you have other references as well. 3. It maybe of interest to you that in ancient India bha-chakra did not necessarily mean Rashichakra but nakshatra-chakra as well. As such, how can one be sure that it is not nakshatra-chakra that is being discussed under the title " mrigachakra " . 4. Zodiac is an " imaginary belt " with " imaginary animals " none of which is equal to one another. Those animals were known as constellations and became known as Mesha etc. rashis later. They are actually of Greek origin, whereas nakshatras are of Indian origin.. 5. If we take only naksahtras into consideration, presuming that mrigachakra means nakshatra-shakra, forgetting the rashis for a moment, what would that nakshatra-chakra be known as, if not “Zodiac� 5. Personally, I do not think that the Vedic Seers were that foolish to have advised to make predictions from imaginary animals of an imaginary belt. But then you never know, maybe " modern Vedic astrologers " have seen the " paroskhya meaning " of " paroskhya rashi " based " parokshya predictions " which people like me cannot. Regards, A K Kaul [Reply to Sarwesh Tiwari’s post (20 June 2009) at http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5181  Abhinavagupta, Sarvesh Tiwari wrote:  namaste  One clear reference in The Great bhArata concerning the connection of zodiac, predictice astrology and brAhmaNa jyotiShi-s:  apyevaM no brAhmaNAH santi vR^iddhA bahushrutAH shIlavantaH kulInAH sA.nvatsarA jyotiShi chApi yuktA nakShatrayogeShu cha nishchayaGYAH uchchAvacha. n daivayukta.n rahasyaM divyAH prashnA mR^igachakrA muhUrtA kShayaM mahAnta.n kurusR^i~njayAnAM nivedayante pANDavAnA.n jayaM cha tathA hi no manyate.ajAtashatru H sa.nsiddhArtho dviShatAM nigrahAya (udyoga parvan)  notice the usage of the term " mR^igachakra " which would be the literal meaning of " Zodiac " . Also notice that the reference talks of brAhmaNa jyotiShi-s predicting the imminent victory for the pANDava-s and rout of the kaurava-s on basis of the muhUrta, relative positions of nakShatra-s etc. It also mentions, at least in a third person testimony, of the faith people might already have in this field when these lines were written -- here it says that 'with such prediction yudhiShThira was already considering his objectives met.'  While I concur that there is nothing vedic about predictive astrology, I am of the opinion that this business is fairly old, not a total import by Hindus too, and giving too much credit to greek influence is similar to the earlier case of other fields too like the medicine, chemistry, bIjagaNita and philosophy.  Warm Regards Sarvesh Tiwari [Reply to Koenraad Elst's post (19 June 2009) at http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5178]   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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