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Dear Joshiji,

 

You have raised some doubts as to who are the Devas,  the upanishadic verse

was referring to.

 

The Vedas do have secret speeches (passages)  according to the Rig Veda. Please

see the following verse:

 

à¤à¤¤à¤¾ विशà¥à¤µà¤¾ विदà¥à¤·à¥‡ तà¥à¤­à¥à¤¯à¤‚ वेधो

नीथानà¥à¤¯ अगà¥à¤¨à¥‡ निणà¥à¤¯à¤¾ वचांसि |

निवचना कवये कावà¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¨à¥à¤¯

अशंसिषम मतिभिर विपà¥à¤° उकà¥à¤¥à¥ˆà¤ƒ ||

(RV 4.3.16)

 

Griffith's translation of this verse is  as frollows :

 

<<To thee who knowest, Agni, thou Disposer, all these wise secret speeches have

I uttered,

Sung to thee, Sage, the charming words of wisdom, to thee, O Singer, with. my

thoughts and Praises.>>

 

Hope this clarifies.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 7/3/09, giravani <giravani wrote:

 

 

giravani <giravani

[WAVES-Vedic] From N.R.Joshi

WAVES-Vedic

Friday, July 3, 2009, 10:28 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

June 29, 2009

 Whi is interpreting Paroksha knowledge?  by Dr.N.R.Joshi

 

 The original discussion between Dr. Sunil Bhattacharya and his Virodhaka was

about Vedic astrology. It shifted to Rashis in the ancient Indian books. What is

in the ancient Indian scriptures is totally unimportant as far as astrology is

concerned. Everybody is born at some time. He knows his own Rashi. He is the

best judge to check whether astrology works or not. We took computers from the

western sciences because it works. Whatever works is important, its source is

not important. It may give pride to somebody when he finds something in his

ancient scriptures. There is no need of using Paroksha knowledge in order to

prove existence of Rashis in somebody?s ancient scriptures. If you believe it is

there, then so be it. It does not prove or disprove the validity of astrology.

So this topic is finished. Who is interpreting Paroksha knowldge and for what

purpose make a big difference. I am highlighting the misuse of Paroksha

knowledge.

If somebody gets solace to his mind by the idea of existence of Paroksha

knowledge (whether he knows or not), then he found the use of Paroksha

knowledge. My advice please keep using it. When you are happy, I am happy.

 I definitely believe Anumaana (inference) theory. Here it is. A dollar Guru in

USA is talking about Paroksha knowledge in a big hall. Doctors and engineers are

sitting at his feet. Since it is Paroksha knowledge, they cannot ask any

questions. Now using Anumaana theory, I know who is outside the hall. Outside of

the hall volunteer ladies are sitting asking for donations to Guru?s foundation.

Inside Paroksha knowledge and outside Pratyaksha knowledge. In this way Anumaana

theory of ancient India works in Houston,Texas.

Another gentleman gave us different meanings of Kumbha and Meena. So now we are

entering the realm of Semantics of Sanskrit words and I love this subject. Now

Devas like Paroksha knowledge. I asked many times questions to Saadhus and Gurus

about Devas. Who were they? Where were they living? There are thirty three Devas

in Hindu religion. Some believe 33 crores. That is too large number for me.

These 33 Devas are 12 Aadityas, 11 Rudras, 8 Vasus and 2 twin brothers (if

numbers mixed, pardon me) I asked Gurus whether these Devas were on the earth or

they were hanging in sky somewhere? I never got straight answer (Gurus have only

Paroksha knowledge). Indra was the leader of Devas. He had fight with Asian

amazons. He defeated them and kept two lady soldiers for himself. And for

ancient Iranians Devas were beyond their borders in the north and they had

frequent war with Devas. Indians on the other hand were friendly with Devas.

However Raama and Krishna do not

belong to this group 33 Devas. Krishna even had war with Indra on Pariyaatra

mountain. So when we say that Devas like Paroksha knowledge, which Devas are we

talking about? With the word Paroksha knowledge one is opening Pandora?s box of

multiple interpretations. Then a stage will come when your interpretation is as

good as mine. However the science of semantics of Sanskrit of the ancient India

does not like such mushy, mushy softy, softy knowledge. If you love mushy

knowledge, then you are a professor of Anthropology. Thanks guys. Pardon me for

long e-mail. N.R.Joshi

 

 

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Mr Joshi should read the biggest of all upanishadas (Brihadaranyaka) for getting

the true meaning of 33 types ( " koti " meant 'type/category', which later was

mis-translated as crore). But I guess he will not benefit due to his approach to

devas.

 

-VJ

 

============================= ===

 

 

________________________________

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya

WAVES_Vedic

Cc: giravani; vedic_research_centre ;

; vedic astrology

Sunday, July 5, 2009 6:06:30 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: [WAVES-Vedic] From N.R.Joshi

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Joshiji,

 

You have raised some doubts as to who are the Devas, the upanishadic verse was

referring to.

 

The Vedas do have secret speeches (passages) according to the Rig Veda. Please

see the following verse:

 

à¤à¤¤à¤¾ विशà¥à¤µà¤¾ विदà¥à¤·à¥‡ तà¥à¤­à¥à¤¯à¤‚ वेधो

नीथानà¥à¤¯ अगà¥à¤¨à¥‡ निणà¥à¤¯à¤¾ वचांसि |

निवचना कवये कावà¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¨à¥à¤¯

अशंसिषम मतिभिर विपà¥à¤° उकà¥à¤¥à¥ˆà¤ƒ ||

(RV 4.3.16)

 

Griffith's translation of this verse is as frollows :

 

<<To thee who knowest, Agni, thou Disposer, all these wise secret speeches have

I uttered,

Sung to thee, Sage, the charming words of wisdom, to thee, O Singer, with. my

thoughts and Praises.>>

 

Hope this clarifies.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 7/3/09, giravani (AT) juno (DOT) com <giravani (AT) JUNO (DOT) COM> wrote:

 

giravani (AT) juno (DOT) com <giravani (AT) JUNO (DOT) . COM>

[WAVES-Vedic] From N.R.Joshi

WAVES-Vedic

Friday, July 3, 2009, 10:28 AM

 

June 29, 2009

Whi is interpreting Paroksha knowledge? by Dr.N.R.Joshi

 

The original discussion between Dr. Sunil Bhattacharya and his Virodhaka was

about Vedic astrology. It shifted to Rashis in the ancient Indian books. What is

in the ancient Indian scriptures is totally unimportant as far as astrology is

concerned. Everybody is born at some time. He knows his own Rashi. He is the

best judge to check whether astrology works or not. We took computers from the

western sciences because it works. Whatever works is important, its source is

not important. It may give pride to somebody when he finds something in his

ancient scriptures. There is no need of using Paroksha knowledge in order to

prove existence of Rashis in somebody?s ancient scriptures. If you believe it is

there, then so be it. It does not prove or disprove the validity of astrology.

So this topic is finished. Who is interpreting Paroksha knowldge and for what

purpose make a big difference. I am highlighting the misuse of Paroksha

knowledge.

If somebody gets solace to his mind by the idea of existence of Paroksha

knowledge (whether he knows or not), then he found the use of Paroksha

knowledge. My advice please keep using it. When you are happy, I am happy.

I definitely believe Anumaana (inference) theory.. Here it is. A dollar Guru in

USA is talking about Paroksha knowledge in a big hall. Doctors and engineers are

sitting at his feet. Since it is Paroksha knowledge, they cannot ask any

questions. Now using Anumaana theory, I know who is outside the hall. Outside of

the hall volunteer ladies are sitting asking for donations to Guru?s foundation.

Inside Paroksha knowledge and outside Pratyaksha knowledge. In this way Anumaana

theory of ancient India works in Houston,Texas.

Another gentleman gave us different meanings of Kumbha and Meena. So now we are

entering the realm of Semantics of Sanskrit words and I love this subject. Now

Devas like Paroksha knowledge. I asked many times questions to Saadhus and Gurus

about Devas. Who were they? Where were they living? There are thirty three Devas

in Hindu religion. Some believe 33 crores. That is too large number for me.

These 33 Devas are 12 Aadityas, 11 Rudras, 8 Vasus and 2 twin brothers (if

numbers mixed, pardon me) I asked Gurus whether these Devas were on the earth or

they were hanging in sky somewhere? I never got straight answer (Gurus have only

Paroksha knowledge). Indra was the leader of Devas. He had fight with Asian

amazons. He defeated them and kept two lady soldiers for himself. And for

ancient Iranians Devas were beyond their borders in the north and they had

frequent war with Devas. Indians on the other hand were friendly with Devas.

However Raama and Krishna do not

belong to this group 33 Devas. Krishna even had war with Indra on Pariyaatra

mountain. So when we say that Devas like Paroksha knowledge, which Devas are we

talking about? With the word Paroksha knowledge one is opening Pandora?s box of

multiple interpretations. Then a stage will come when your interpretation is as

good as mine. However the science of semantics of Sanskrit of the ancient India

does not like such mushy, mushy softy, softy knowledge. If you love mushy

knowledge, then you are a professor of Anthropology. Thanks guys. Pardon me for

long e-mail. N.R.Joshi

 

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