Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Dear friends, The year 3067 BCE quoted in the Editorial does not correspond to Saturn's position in Visakha during the time of the Mahabharata war. Secondly the date was 35 years after the Lord Krishna's avatara ended in 3102 BCE and so it is absurd.. Thirdly Bhishma died on an Ekadashi and not on Ashtami. The Hindu scholars know that according to Manu's law if a ksatriya dies on Ekadashi his shraddha is to be performed on Ashtami (ie. after observing 12 days' of mourning). Hindus believe that only on the performance of this shraddha that a person sheds his astral body and gets a pitrideha / divyadeha so that the person can go to the pitriloka or devaloka depending on the Karma of that person. . Bhishma also got his divyadeha on the Ashtami tithi and he went to the Vasuloka as he was a Vasu born on the Earth on Vasishtha's curse. According to Hindu astrology the Ashtami tithi is ruled by the Vasus. One can guess whether the date of Shraddha fell on the Ashtami tithi by accident or was it planned by Bhishma. Bhishma's shraddha was perfomed on the Ashtami tithi and even today people give Tarpan to Bhaishma on the Bhishmastami tithi. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bejoy <bejoy_cs wrote: Bejoy <bejoy_cs Re: Mahabharata War Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:28 PM http://www.vnn. org/editorials/ ET0003/ET20- 5717.html Looks informative .. Regards Bejoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Dear Dada, Why do we astrologers worry about and go to Holy Wars for epochs such as 3067 BCE (Before Common Era -- a more inclusive religio-politically correct acronym!) when we cannot reliably predict what is going to happen or occur, as the case may be, in the next one year (August 2009 to August 2010!) globally -- politically/sociologically or weather/climate-wise? Can you? Can anyone?? Rohini vedic astrology , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The year 3067 BCE quoted in the Editorial does not correspond to Saturn's position in Visakha during the time of the Mahabharata war. Secondly the date was 35 years after the Lord Krishna's avatara ended in 3102 BCE and so it is absurd.. Thirdly Bhishma died on an Ekadashi and not on Ashtami. The Hindu scholars know that according to Manu's law if a ksatriya dies on Ekadashi his shraddha is to be performed on Ashtami (ie. after observing 12 days' of mourning). Hindus believe that only on the performance of this shraddha that a person sheds his astral body and gets a pitrideha / divyadeha so that the person can go to the pitriloka or devaloka depending on the Karma of that person. . Bhishma also got his divyadeha on the Ashtami tithi and he went to the Vasuloka as he was a Vasu born on the Earth on Vasishtha's curse. According to Hindu astrology the Ashtami tithi is ruled by the Vasus. One can guess whether the date of Shraddha fell on the > Ashtami tithi by accident or was it planned by Bhishma. Bhishma's shraddha was perfomed on the Ashtami tithi and even today people give Tarpan to Bhaishma on the Bhishmastami tithi. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bejoy <bejoy_cs wrote: > > > Bejoy <bejoy_cs > Re: Mahabharata War > > Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:28 PM > > > > > > http://www.vnn. org/editorials/ ET0003/ET20- 5717.html > > Looks informative .. > > Regards > > Bejoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Dear Rohiniranjanji, Well said! peopple are more bothered about imaginary things, which they are never sure of! Hari Malla ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani vedic astrology Friday, July 31, 2009 7:16:29 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Mahabharata War Dear Dada, Why do we astrologers worry about and go to Holy Wars for epochs such as 3067 BCE (Before Common Era -- a more inclusive religio-politically correct acronym!) when we cannot reliably predict what is going to happen or occur, as the case may be, in the next one year (August 2009 to August 2010!) globally -- politically/ sociologically or weather/climate- wise? Can you? Can anyone?? Rohini vedic astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The year 3067 BCE quoted in the Editorial does not correspond to Saturn's position in Visakha during the time of the Mahabharata war. Secondly the date was 35 years after the Lord Krishna's avatara ended in 3102 BCE and so it is absurd.. Thirdly Bhishma died on an Ekadashi and not on Ashtami. The Hindu scholars know that according to Manu's law if a ksatriya dies on Ekadashi his shraddha is to be performed on Ashtami (ie. after observing 12 days' of mourning). Hindus believe that only on the performance of this shraddha that a person sheds his astral body and gets a pitrideha / divyadeha so that the person can go to the pitriloka or devaloka depending on the Karma of that person. . Bhishma also got his divyadeha on the Ashtami tithi and he went to the Vasuloka as he was a Vasu born on the Earth on Vasishtha's curse. According to Hindu astrology the Ashtami tithi is ruled by the Vasus. One can guess whether the date of Shraddha fell on the > Ashtami tithi by accident or was it planned by Bhishma. Bhishma's shraddha was perfomed on the Ashtami tithi and even today people give Tarpan to Bhaishma on the Bhishmastami tithi. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bejoy <bejoy_cs@.. .> wrote: > > > Bejoy <bejoy_cs@.. .> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Mahabharata War > ancient_indian_ astrology > Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:28 PM > > > > > > http://www.vnn. org/editorials/ ET0003/ET20- 5717.html > > Looks informative .. > > Regards > > Bejoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Hari... ji, Are you trying to get me kicked out of this forum as well? ;-) Might as well! I have seen the *STUFF*! RR vedic astrology , Hari Malla <harimalla wrote: > > Dear Rohiniranjanji, > Well said! peopple are more bothered about imaginary things, which they are never sure of! > Hari Malla > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > vedic astrology > Friday, July 31, 2009 7:16:29 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Mahabharata War > > > Dear Dada, > > Why do we astrologers worry about and go to Holy Wars for epochs such as 3067 BCE (Before Common Era -- a more inclusive religio-politically correct acronym!) when we cannot reliably predict what is going to happen or occur, as the case may be, in the next one year (August 2009 to August 2010!) globally -- politically/ sociologically or weather/climate- wise? > > Can you? Can anyone?? > > Rohini > > vedic astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > The year 3067 BCE quoted in the Editorial does not correspond to Saturn's position in Visakha during the time of the Mahabharata war. Secondly the date was 35 years after the Lord Krishna's avatara ended in 3102 BCE and so it is absurd.. Thirdly Bhishma died on an Ekadashi and not on Ashtami. The Hindu scholars know that according to Manu's law if a ksatriya dies on Ekadashi his shraddha is to be performed on Ashtami (ie. after observing 12 days' of mourning). Hindus believe that only on the performance of this shraddha that a person sheds his astral body and gets a pitrideha / divyadeha so that the person can go to the pitriloka or devaloka depending on the Karma of that person. . Bhishma also got his divyadeha on the Ashtami tithi and he went to the Vasuloka as he was a Vasu born on the Earth on Vasishtha's curse. According to Hindu astrology the Ashtami tithi is ruled by the Vasus. One can guess whether the date of Shraddha fell on the > > Ashtami tithi by accident or was it planned by Bhishma. Bhishma's shraddha was perfomed on the Ashtami tithi and even today people give Tarpan to Bhaishma on the Bhishmastami tithi. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bejoy <bejoy_cs@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Bejoy <bejoy_cs@ .> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Mahabharata War > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.vnn. org/editorials/ ET0003/ET20- 5717.html > > > > Looks informative .. > > > > Regards > > > > Bejoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Dear Rohini, Our Jyotish shastra includes both astronomy and astrology. Astrology is the subjective interpretation of the astronomical events. It is like two brothers where the astronomy is elder of the two. How can any of them ignore the other? The dating is from astronomy. That is precise. But predicting what will happen tomorrow in the political arena or in any other area is astrology and mother Parvati has already cursed Bhrigu that no prediction of the future is going to be perfect. Best wishes, Sunil K Bhatacharjya --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani [vedic astrology] Re: Mahabharata War vedic astrology Friday, July 31, 2009, 7:16 PM Dear Dada, Why do we astrologers worry about and go to Holy Wars for epochs such as 3067 BCE (Before Common Era -- a more inclusive religio-politically correct acronym!) when we cannot reliably predict what is going to happen or occur, as the case may be, in the next one year (August 2009 to August 2010!) globally -- politically/ sociologically or weather/climate- wise? Can you? Can anyone?? Rohini vedic astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The year 3067 BCE quoted in the Editorial does not correspond to Saturn's position in Visakha during the time of the Mahabharata war. Secondly the date was 35 years after the Lord Krishna's avatara ended in 3102 BCE and so it is absurd.. Thirdly Bhishma died on an Ekadashi and not on Ashtami. The Hindu scholars know that according to Manu's law if a ksatriya dies on Ekadashi his shraddha is to be performed on Ashtami (ie. after observing 12 days' of mourning). Hindus believe that only on the performance of this shraddha that a person sheds his astral body and gets a pitrideha / divyadeha so that the person can go to the pitriloka or devaloka depending on the Karma of that person. . Bhishma also got his divyadeha on the Ashtami tithi and he went to the Vasuloka as he was a Vasu born on the Earth on Vasishtha's curse. According to Hindu astrology the Ashtami tithi is ruled by the Vasus. One can guess whether the date of Shraddha fell on the > Ashtami tithi by accident or was it planned by Bhishma. Bhishma's shraddha was perfomed on the Ashtami tithi and even today people give Tarpan to Bhaishma on the Bhishmastami tithi. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bejoy <bejoy_cs@.. .> wrote: > > > Bejoy <bejoy_cs@.. .> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Mahabharata War > ancient_indian_ astrology > Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:28 PM > > > > > > http://www.vnn. org/editorials/ ET0003/ET20- 5717.html > > Looks informative .. > > Regards > > Bejoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Om Namah Sivaya Namaste All, Though I don't want to go into this debate. I just want to share the following for the benefit of all to understand a research work by Sri Kota Venkatachalam, who had spent all his life in this research. The following link contains the pdf document " Dating of Mahabharata War " , which has been extensively referred by other scholars like Sri Ekkirala Vedavyas IAS(Rtrd.)in his doctoral research on Mahabharata war. This valuable resource contains the early work on this subject. http://www.scribd.com/doc/17988795/Dating-of-Mahabharata Regards, Shanmukha vedic astrology , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > Our Jyotish shastra includes both astronomy and astrology. Astrology is the subjective interpretation of the astronomical events. It is like two brothers where the astronomy is elder of the two. How can any of them ignore the other? The dating is from astronomy. That is precise. But predicting what will happen tomorrow in the political arena or in any other area is astrology and mother Parvati has already cursed Bhrigu that no prediction of the future is going to be perfect. > > Best wishes, > > Sunil K Bhatacharjya > > --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > [vedic astrology] Re: Mahabharata War > vedic astrology > Friday, July 31, 2009, 7:16 PM > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > Why do we astrologers worry about and go to Holy Wars for epochs such as 3067 BCE (Before Common Era -- a more inclusive religio-politically correct acronym!) when we cannot reliably predict what is going to happen or occur, as the case may be, in the next one year (August 2009 to August 2010!) globally -- politically/ sociologically or weather/climate- wise? > > Can you? Can anyone?? > > Rohini > > vedic astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > The year 3067 BCE quoted in the Editorial does not correspond to Saturn's position in Visakha during the time of the Mahabharata war. Secondly the date was 35 years after the Lord Krishna's avatara ended in 3102 BCE and so it is absurd.. Thirdly Bhishma died on an Ekadashi and not on Ashtami. The Hindu scholars know that according to Manu's law if a ksatriya dies on Ekadashi his shraddha is to be performed on Ashtami (ie. after observing 12 days' of mourning). Hindus believe that only on the performance of this shraddha that a person sheds his astral body and gets a pitrideha / divyadeha so that the person can go to the pitriloka or devaloka depending on the Karma of that person. . Bhishma also got his divyadeha on the Ashtami tithi and he went to the Vasuloka as he was a Vasu born on the Earth on Vasishtha's curse. According to Hindu astrology the Ashtami tithi is ruled by the Vasus. One can guess whether the date of Shraddha fell on the > > Ashtami tithi by accident or was it planned by Bhishma. Bhishma's shraddha was perfomed on the Ashtami tithi and even today people give Tarpan to Bhaishma on the Bhishmastami tithi. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bejoy <bejoy_cs@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Bejoy <bejoy_cs@ .> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Mahabharata War > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.vnn. org/editorials/ ET0003/ET20- 5717.html > > > > Looks informative .. > > > > Regards > > > > Bejoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Namaste, Sri Kota Venkatachalam's year of 3139 BCE is correct from all angles. But for some inexplicable raeson Dr. Vedavyas fixed the year in 3138 BCE. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Shanmukha <teli_sha2002 wrote: Shanmukha <teli_sha2002 [vedic astrology] Re: Mahabharata War vedic astrology Saturday, August 1, 2009, 12:32 AM Om Namah Sivaya Namaste All, Though I don't want to go into this debate. I just want to share the following for the benefit of all to understand a research work by Sri Kota Venkatachalam, who had spent all his life in this research. The following link contains the pdf document " Dating of Mahabharata War " , which has been extensively referred by other scholars like Sri Ekkirala Vedavyas IAS(Rtrd.)in his doctoral research on Mahabharata war. This valuable resource contains the early work on this subject. http://www.scribd. com/doc/17988795 /Dating-of- Mahabharata Regards, Shanmukha vedic astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > Our Jyotish shastra includes both astronomy and astrology. Astrology is the subjective interpretation of the astronomical events. It is like two brothers where the astronomy is elder of the two. How can any of them ignore the other? The dating is from astronomy. That is precise. But predicting what will happen tomorrow in the political arena or in any other area is astrology and mother Parvati has already cursed Bhrigu that no prediction of the future is going to be perfect. > > Best wishes, > > Sunil K Bhatacharjya > > --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > [vedic astrology] Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Mahabharata War > vedic astrology > Friday, July 31, 2009, 7:16 PM > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > Why do we astrologers worry about and go to Holy Wars for epochs such as 3067 BCE (Before Common Era -- a more inclusive religio-politically correct acronym!) when we cannot reliably predict what is going to happen or occur, as the case may be, in the next one year (August 2009 to August 2010!) globally -- politically/ sociologically or weather/climate- wise? > > Can you? Can anyone?? > > Rohini > > vedic astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > The year 3067 BCE quoted in the Editorial does not correspond to Saturn's position in Visakha during the time of the Mahabharata war. Secondly the date was 35 years after the Lord Krishna's avatara ended in 3102 BCE and so it is absurd.. Thirdly Bhishma died on an Ekadashi and not on Ashtami. The Hindu scholars know that according to Manu's law if a ksatriya dies on Ekadashi his shraddha is to be performed on Ashtami (ie. after observing 12 days' of mourning). Hindus believe that only on the performance of this shraddha that a person sheds his astral body and gets a pitrideha / divyadeha so that the person can go to the pitriloka or devaloka depending on the Karma of that person. . Bhishma also got his divyadeha on the Ashtami tithi and he went to the Vasuloka as he was a Vasu born on the Earth on Vasishtha's curse. According to Hindu astrology the Ashtami tithi is ruled by the Vasus. One can guess whether the date of Shraddha fell on the > > Ashtami tithi by accident or was it planned by Bhishma. Bhishma's shraddha was perfomed on the Ashtami tithi and even today people give Tarpan to Bhaishma on the Bhishmastami tithi. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bejoy <bejoy_cs@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Bejoy <bejoy_cs@ .> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Mahabharata War > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.vnn. org/editorials/ ET0003/ET20- 5717.html > > > > Looks informative .. > > > > Regards > > > > Bejoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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