TP Solar vs Soli-lunar Example

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Namaste,

 

I am a proponent of free will being a continual modifier of destiny. However,

Jay's outburst is not helpful in putting things in perspective and I will not

comment on free will vs Jyotish principles at this time. But there is one point

I want to make on TP chart calculation itself.

 

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Sometimes, it is not the lack of " proper logic " , but wrong calculations due to a

wrong teaching that can do one in. Let me give a clear-cut example that

illustrates my point using TP charts.

 

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Birthdata is 1970 April 4, 5:47:13 pm (IST), Machilipatnam, India. The native

left his country for the first time on 1991 August 14 night and came to US on

1991 August 15 evening.

 

He was born on Krishna Chaturdasi tithi (soli-lunar day) in the soli-lunar month

of Phalguna and solar month of Meena (Sun in Pi).

 

If you go by Sanjay ji's teachings (and mine too, so far) on Tithi Pravesha, the

annual TP chart of 1991-92 is cast on 1991 April 13 at 8:00:13 am (IST). It is a

Krishna Chaturdasi tithi in the soli-lunar month of *Chaitra* and solar month of

Meena (Sun in Pi). Because we do not care about the soli-lunar month and take

the soli-lunar day of birth (Krishna Chaturdasi) in the solar month of birth

(Meena), we get this TP chart. But please note that the soli-lunar month

(Chaitra) does not match that at birth (Phalguna)!

 

The native left India and came to USA in Moon-Moon antardasa as per Tithi

Ashtottari dasa and Venus dasa as per Vimsottari dasa. In the rasi chart, Moon

is the 3rd lord in 11th with parivartana with 11th lord and 4th lord Sun joins

him. In D-4, Moon is again the 3rd lord in 11th. Why did he give a foreign

journey for the first time in life? If you take Vimsottari dasa itself, Venus is

lagna lord in lagna in both rasi and D-4. He makes even less sense.

 

This makes very little sense. Some people may be able to somehow justify the

above, but the alternative below is far simpler, far more logical and far more

palatable.

 

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In JHora 7.33, select " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " and " Tithi

Pravesha calculation options " . By default, " Use solar (as opposed to soli-lunar)

months in Tithi Pravesha " checkbox is checked. Uncheck it to stick to soli-lunar

months with soli-lunar days.

 

Now make the 1991-92 TP chart. You will now get it on 1991 March 14 at 5:48:38

pm (IST). It is a Krishna Chaturdasi tithi in the soli-lunar month of *Phalguna*

and solar month of *Kumbha* (Sun in Aq). Though solar month (Kumbha) does not

match that at birth (Meena), the soli-lunar month (Phalguna) matches now.

 

With this chart, you will see that the native went abroad in Mars-Venus

antardasa as per Tithi Ashtottari dasa. Mars is the 9th lord and also badhaka

lord. Venus is in the 9th house and badhaka sthana. Jalapatana sahamam at the

end of watery Pisces is within 2 deg from Venus at the beginning of Aries. Even

in D-4, Mars is the 7th and 12th lord and Venus is in the 12th house with the

9th lord and badhaka lord. Taking Mars as lagna, Venus is in 12th in rasi and

Venus is the 9th lord in 3rd from Mars in D-4.

 

Even if we use just Vimsottari dasa, the event was given by Saturn-Rahu. In

rasi, Saturn and Rahu own 7th and are close to paradesa sahamam. In D-4, Saturn

is 9th lord and badhaka lord occupying 12th and Rahu is in 9th house in badhaka

sthana.

 

The event makes perfect sense based on both dasas. The logic is so simple,

crisp, clear-cut and coherent that it can be used as a classical text book

example!

 

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Now, my question to intelligent and honest seekers of this knowledge of rishis

is this: Do you think that the former calculation based on solar months is

correct and we are unable to see the result clearly because we are missing some

logic? Or do you think that the latter calculation based on soli-lunar months

must be correct as things line up so perfectly with it?

 

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I have seen many examples like this, where soli-lunar month based TP shows

events much much better than solar month based TP (which was taught by us at SJC

until now). However, it is not as simple as always using soli-lunar month based

TP as given by current JHora. There are several examples where solar month based

calculations are superior. There is something amiss right now, with respect to

how soli-lunar months are reckoned.

 

I worked on this riddle extensively for a long time now. I have consolidated

everything based on all the border case TP examples where I *honestly*

determined which version is working better. After studying all the examples, I

clearly understood what is going on and have a modified soli-lunar month based

approach that works in all cases. It is not available in JHora right now. I will

wait for some more time before I make my findings public. Until then, if you are

so inclined, please try soli-lunar month based TP if solar month based TP

(default) does not explain things well in a particular year and you have to

compromise and come up with some round-about logic. Atleast be aware of this

issue and a potential incorrectness in our teaching so far.

 

Bottomline: Freedom put it very well below - we do have some " blind spots " .

However, sometimes the very calculations may be based on wrong principles and

hence the very foundation wrong. When you are sitting in a wrong car, blind

spots cannot be eliminated no matter how hard you adjust the mirrors.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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sohamsa , Freedomji <freeflowaum wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> Aside from being idealistic, the understanding of a mistake is one of the

best ways to learn techniques or variations of techniques, or exceptions to

techniques and to find our blind spots. Guruji teaches us according to

fundamental principles which can be utilized universally with the application of

proper logic. The determination to find the reasoning why an event happens can

only lead to learning. To falter to human tamas and think that it is

impossible for ourselves to know because of

fate/freewill/ignorance/inability/etc will not lead one to become devagya.

>

> Namah ShivayaÂ

>

> ________________________________

> Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme

> sohamsa

> Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:30:51 PM

> Re: [sjc-guru] Re: tp nd failed.

>

> Â

> Dear Jay

> I believe that knowledge which comes from this parampara can explain my so

called mistake.

> Maybe you are less idealistic, your mail is too pragmatical for me and its

like an excuse for being lazy bum.

> Sorry, if that hurts, but thats my feeling after reading it.

> Rafal Gendarz