Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Pranaam Sanjay, Assuming that Gulika and Maandi are separate, Parasara only mentioned the calculation of Gulika and not Maandi. People following you take Gulika at the beginning of Saturn' portion (i.e. 1/8th of day/night) and Maandi at the middle of the same portion. * * * However, it is questionable if Maandi and Gulika are separate. A careful perusal of available literature suggests that Maandi and Gulika are synonyms, just as the words Sani, Sanaischara, Manda, Souri, Arki etc were used in literature to refer to the same planet (Saturn). Parasara mentioned the calculation of various upagrahas - Dhuma, Vyatipata etc and then Gulika, Mrityu, Kaala, Yamaghantaka etc. He did not mention the calculation of Maandi. However, he referred to Maandi several times in later chapters when giving some combinations. This suggests that Maandi is another name for one of the upagrahas he had already mentioned. Otherwise, why did Parasara use him without defining him, though he took care to define so many other upagrahas? Maandi means " one derived from or coming from or belonging to Manda, i.e. Saturn " . Gulika is derived from Saturn's portion as defined by Parasara ( " shanyaMshaH gulikaH smR^itaH " ). Hence, the word Maandi could certainly refer to Gulika. Many other classics also seem to use Gulika and Maandi interchangably. * * * JHora allows users to define two different upagrahas called Gulika and Maandi and define them separately at the beginning/middle of Saturn's/8th portions (i.e. 4 possibilities for each). This is to facilitate research and also enable people follow your teaching. * * * My recommendation to those who are interested in my recommendation is this: All the upagrahas rise at the *beginning* of corresponding planetary portions, including Gulika who rises at the beginning of Saturn's portion. Maandi is just another name for Gulika. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote: > > oá¹ gurave namaḥ > > Dear Narasiá¹Âha > > Can you give me the quote where ParÄÂÅ›ara says that *MÄÂndi rises in Saturn’s portion* and NOT Gulika. > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > WebPages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com > > Jaimini Scholar: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org > > Jyotish Digest, Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > 24 August 2009 21:42 > ; Gopal Goel > Cc: astrologyandremedies ; vedic astrology ; sohamsa; neelam gupta; Ramadas Rao > Re: Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? > > Namaste, > > > 7, I believe that JH_hora gives the longitudes of Gulika > > and Mandi on the basis explained Above. > > That is correct. I am reproducing below my reply to Vishnu from " jhora " . > --- > Namaste, > > The ghatika tables you gave are based on 12 hour days and 12 hour nights. But > daytime and night time are not always 12 hrs each. They can can vary. JHora > sticks to dividing the day time and night time into 8 *equal* parts as suggested > by Parasara and does not use fixed ghatika numbers as you gave below. > > If your manual calculations differ, either you have an incompatible preference > in JHora (beginning/middle or sunrise definition) or your manual calculations > (or the tables you used for your manual calculations) are inaccurate. JHora > sticks to Parasara's instructions and calculates accurately. > > The only thing Parasara left ambiguous is whether Mandi rises at the beginning > or middle of Saturn's portion. JHora allows you select your preference regarding > that. JHora also allows you to select Saturn's portion or 8th portion. Though > Parasara said Mandi rises in Saturn's portion, some people use the 8th un-lorded > portion for Mandi and JHora allows that option (though *I* do not recommend it). > > Another option you can play with is sunrise definition. That affects the daytime > and night time lengths! > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 > Re: Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? > > Cc: astrologyandremedies , vedic astrology , " P.V.R. Narasimha Rao " <pvr108, " sohamsa " <sohamsa >, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07, " Ramadas Rao " <ramadasrao > Monday, August 24, 2009, 8:33 AM > > Dear Vishnu ji, > The method indicated by you are popular but > give gross longitudes of Gulika and Mandi. > The precise values can only be calculated in following > manner: > 1. Find out the duration of Saturn's period by dividing > the duration of the day by 8(eight) during the day and > the duration of night by eight during the night. > 2 According to most of the authorities including BPHS > advocate that initial point of this period be called as Gulika. > Some prefer to call the ending point of this arc as Gulika. > 3. Middle point of this arc is called Mandi > 4 The sign lord where Mandi repeat Mandi falls is called > Gulikesha. > 5. The planet which falls in Saturn's portion ( which is termed as > Gulika portion) becomes afflicted > 6. Maximum poison is concentrated on the middle portion of > Gulika portion. This is why Mandi point is more fearsome than > Gulika point. > 7, I believe that JH_hora gives the longitudes of Gulika and Mandi on the basis explained Above. > Regards, > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > _____ > > As Th <astrolearnjyotish > > Monday, 24 August, 2009 2:14:19 PM > Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? > > everyone of us know that mandi position is very important in the chart.Escpecially astrologers in Kerala give a lot of importance to mandi.Most importance use of mandi is in fact verification of birth time in natal charts. > > > > formula > > > > > > " mandi sphhuta* 81/27 should be janma nakshatra or its 9th or 18th.Otherwise birth time has to be corrected. " > > > > The method to find Mandi longitude is given in the famous Prasna Marga and other classical jyotish texts. > > > > > > I am reproducing the text from Prasna Marga > > > > From Sunday onwards during daytime the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising > > degree at the end of 26, 22, 18, 14, 10, 6 and 2 ghatikas after sunrise ; provided the sunrise is at 6 > > a.m. If the length of the day is more or less than 30, these figures have to be appropriately > > changed. Thus for example if the length of the day is 32 ghatis on a Sunday, the sunrise being at > > 5-40 a.m. then Mandi's position will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 27.73 ghatis > > after sunrise. > > During night times, the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end > > of 10, 6, 2, 26, 22, 18 and 14 ghatis respectively from sunset from Sunday onwards. These > > figures hold good provided the duration of night is 30 ghatis. Appropriate alterations should be > > made if the nocturnal duration is more or less than 30 ghatis. If for instance on a Saturday, the > > duration of night is 34 ghatis then the position of Mandi corresponds to the rising degree at 15.86 > > ghatis after sunset > > > > > > Jhora and Mandi > > > > Jhora has prederences where we can chose Mandi to be rising at either beginning/middle and end of saturn position. > > > > The mandi longitude obtained by hand calculation differes by a large degree say(3 to 4 degrees) when we chose " Mandi rises at the end of saturn position " .But this is the closest option. > > > > If we choose other two options " beginning.middle " .the longitude obtained is far off from which obtained via manual calculation. > > > > > > To check this one can calculate rise of mandi at any day -even today and you will find there is difference > > > > > > regards > > > > vishnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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