[Ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: SENSE OF SEASONS & CALENDAR REFORM

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Nice posting Goel ji! I wonder if ancient Indian civilization were to be placed

by God on Australia or other countries in the souther hemisphere instead of

India, we would have had a different view of the zodiac and astrology etc.

 

Makes one feel grateful and relieved!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

vedic astrology , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

>

>

> Equinoxes and Solstices were in no way linked to Sidereal

> signs. It is purely a misnomer.

> Our sages devised 27 Nakshatra based on the fact that

> Moon takes 27.3 days to complete one round of the Zodiac.

> These Nakshatra have an equal arc of 13deg 20 min and

> first Nakshatra is named and counted from Asavini.This is

> the division also for Astrological and Mahurta purposes.

> The movement of above four cardinal points is observed and recorded in the

background of these Nakshatra and stars. These points are indicator of the

seasons and necessary for civil functions of the society .The days of their

occurrences are considered very auspicious. These four points had to do nothing

with Makara Sankranti. . This is the one part of the story.

>

> As earth was taking nearly 365 days to go round the Sun.

> the circular zodiac was divided in equal 360 deg. There were

> approximately 12 lunar months in one solar year, they divided

> zodiac in 12 sidereal signs of 30 deg each and first sign was

> named as Aries. The sign Aries commences from the initial

> (or zero degree) of Asvini. This point is opposite to Star Citra (Spica 16).

> Makara Sankaranti was always observed on the ingress of Sun in sidereal

> Makara (Capricorn) sign which contains Sharvan Nakshatra.

> As such the assumption that Makara sankaranti was celebrated on the

occurrence of the day of winter solstice , is nothing but a fragrance of

misplaced imagination.

>

> Once sidereal signs were widely adopted in the construction of

> 12 house nativity, these signs were put multiple uses as time elapsed:

> 1. The sign rising in the East was considered as Ascending sign and subsequent

signs were considered as 2h and so on..

> 2. In Kala pursa chart 1st house was always synonym to sign Aries. 1st house

and sign Aries represent same significance. This is the reason that Mars is

permanent owner of 1st house and Sun is its significator. Ancient sage Bhirgu

has devised many yogas on this basis.In Kalpurusha Nativity Lagna is always

considered under the influence of sign Aries ,2H under the influence of Taurus

and so on.

>

> 3. This method has given other ideas. As V.E. POINT was a important reference

point since ancient times, a new division of 12 signs was devised which

commences from V.E.point ,.the first sign again named as Aries though it was

not having any direct link with stars. Even Astronomers started calling

V.E.point as “THE FIRST POINT OF ARIESâ€. This had happened only when this

point could be precisely located on the Zodiac. All of us know that Pope Gregory

13th had to adjust the calendar by 10 days.

> Indian festivals were always celebrated bases on Panchang ie the five

parameters ( limbs)of mahurta. namely 1. Week days 2. Ththi 3. Karan ,4.

Nakshatra 5. yoga (addition of sidereal longitudes of Moon and Sun). There was

no question of fixing the date and time of Indian festivals based on Tropical

coordinates.

> The present Samvat sar calendar was in use much before 2066 years in unbroken

tradition. Before naming it Vikram Samvatsar after the name of famous king

Vikarmaditya , it was in use all over the India including other south Asian

countries over past many centuries. This is perfectly scientific calendar and

modern panchang makers adopt latest parameters as provided by positional

astronomical centres.

> As regard celebrating Vijay dasmi , most critical parameter is that Nakshatra

Sravana should rule in the afternoon ie Moon should be in Sravana Nakshatra at

the time of celebrating Vijyadasmi festival.

> We , in India , are reforming Vikram Samvat sar Calender in line of modern

parameters.This is a on going continuous process.This also meets our

Astrological needs in full. Some savants are advocating the use of Tropical

coordinates for Astrological purposes.They are advised to read the article

Sidereal v/s Tropical ,which is already available in file section of this blog.

> Best regards to every one,

> REGARDS

>

> G. K. Goel

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> indian_astrology_group_daily_digest

> Sunday, 30 August, 2009 3:02:46 PM

> [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: SENSE OF SEASONS & CALENDAR

REFORM

>

>

> HinduCalendar, " a_krishen " <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

>

> Shri Hari Malla ji,

> Namastey!

> <Not only the rashis but also the nakshaytras have this sayan nirayn

conrtroversy. Other wise how will you make up for the sishumar chakra which

describes punravasu and tishya nakshyatras as uttrayan.Now a days it is no more

true.So you mean to say that we throw away our Bhagvatam?>

> 1. Pl. quote the exact mantras/shlokas that talk of Uttarayana in Shishumara

Chakra, and also explain as to how that means a so called nirayana rashichakra

or nakshatrachakra- --instead of your misinterpreting everything the way you

want to!

> If Uttarayana was in some nakshatra in the past, how does that prove that that

Uttarayana was nirayana or that nakshatra was nirayana or even sayana! At the

time of the VJ, the Uttarayana was in Dhanishtha! So how does that prove that

Uttarayana was nirayana or even sayana? Similarly, at the time of the Yajur

Veda, the Vernal Equinox was in Krittikas! So how does that prove that the

Krittikas or the Vernal Equinox are nirayana or even sayana?

> 2. Pl also quote the shlokas/mantras from the Puranas and sidhantas that talk

of Ayanamsha to be subtracted or added to the so called sayana and/or nirayana

longitudes of stars and/or rashis!

> Since you cannot quote any such shloka, it is you who is throwing away

Bhagavata and other puranas by misinterpreting them.

> <2.You call the puranas as sayan.why do you say this when you know that the

practise is also nirayan, which the undisputed practical interpretation of the

puranas.>

> Again the same blah, blah, blah! Why don't you quote the exact shlokas from

the puranas that talk of the Makara Sankranti being any other day than the

shortest day of the year and so on to prove that the Pauranic rashis also are so

called nirayana instead of so called sayana! Since you cannot do so, again, you

are misinterpreting everything yourself!

>

> <3.The reason for the above rough method of expression is because we not have

only the solar dates to consider like the Gregorian calendar , we also have to

consider with respect to both the solar and the luanr dates.>

> Even Gregorian calendar does not talk of Rashis whether sayana or nirayana

directly! All it talks about is January, February etc. months! It is Western

Jyotishis, including their predecessors like Babylonian astrologers, who have

linked Rashis to Gregorian calendar, that also in a haphazard manner! E.g. so

called Sayana Aries does not start on the first day of any month and so on! For

that matter, no sayana rashi starts on the first day of any month! As such, how

do you say it is a Sayana calendar? It is actually the most unscientific

calendar by any standards, unlike our Vedic calendar, which is related to

seasons, and Madhu, Madhava etc. seasonal months!

> For your information, the Julian calendar was started on the basis of a New

Moon aftr the Winter Solstice in 45 BCE! That was/is exactly what the Vedanga

Jyotisha has advocated! As such, you can rest assured that to start with the

Julian Era was on the basis of the Vedanga Jyotisha, which you are denouncing

now yourself, and still claim to be refroming the Hindu calendar as per the

Vedic lore!

> Nowadays, on the other hand, no season starts on first of January, though it

is the start of a new Gregorian year! First of January being the start of a New

Gregorian year also does not have any scientific basis, nor is there any logic

behind the same, since no geographical event like Vernal Equinox or Summer

Solstice etc. or even a lunar New Moon taks place on that day!

> So your calling the Vedic calendar Gregorian calendar is actually insulting to

the Vedas also, which you are doing deliberately when the two have nothing in

common!

> Dhanyavad.

> AKK

>

> HinduCalendar, " harimalla@ " <harimalla@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri Kaulji,

> > Namaskar!

> > Please correct yourself in interpretating the following facts:

> > 1.Not only the rashis but also the nakshaytras have this sayan nirayn

conrtroversy. Other wise how will you make up for the sishumar chakra which

describes punravasu and tishya nakshyatras as uttrayan.Now a days it is no more

true.So you mean to say that we throw away our Bhagvatam?

> > Please understand that wheter imported or indigeneous, both the rashis and

the nakshyatras are in the same messy basket.I cannot understand why you are not

able to understand such a simple thing.Please try once more.The stars are always

sidereal wether you call them rashi or nakshyatras. This is the first thing you

have to understand.

> > 2.You call the puranas as sayan.why do you say this when you know that the

practise is also nirayan, which the undisputed practical interpretation of the

puranas.So kindly come out of your dreams and be practically oriented-be aware

of the hindu practise as they are and not as you interpret them in the Gregorian

style.

> > Yes they are sayan in the general or rough sense but in the exact sense they

are sidereal of nkiryan which is proved beyond doubtby the practise.Is it so

hard to udnerstand form the dual point o fview when the differnece is not too

much.

> > 3.The reson for the above rough method of expression is because we not have

only the solar dates to consider like the Gregorian calendar , we also have to

consider with respect to both the solar and the luanr dates.Have you really been

brainswashed beyond redemption, that you cannot consider the tropical and

sidereal concepts both simultaneously, in case of our lunar fluctuation of

tithis.

> >

> > Kidndly stop shouting as under if you want to retain the vedic calendar in

their pristine purity. Know that you have been unnecessarily mislead by SB dixit

in believing half truth about the vedas.Sorry if I sound, unplesaant, bu t

medicnes are not always pleasant.

> > <And that is why I go on shouting from housetops that if at all we have to

choose rashis as a sort of necessary evil for our calendar they have to be so

called Sayana but to be delinked from nakshatras! And that is what Shri

Darshaney Lokesh is doing in his tithi-patrak! And that is what I have been

indicating in the list of festivals, which is in the files section.>

> > The modern meaning of ayanamsa is well understood by you. We do not have to

search for their meaning in the sidhanta and the puranas.the puranas never

needed it beause they were taling of the nirayan soltices and equinoxes in th

exact sensea althogh generally they meant it to be tropical. surya sidhant did

mention the upper limit of 27 deegrees so as to limit it to some reasonable

limit of one lunar month.

> > As a last excercise, shall we interpret the verse no. six of Yajur Vedanga

jyotish to find if it was purely tropical or coordination between the tropical,

sidereal and the lunar uttaryan dates.? Instead of shouting at the house tops

let us sit and work.

> > Thank you ,

> > regards,

> > Hari Malla

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > HinduCalendar, " a_krishen " <jyotirved@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Hari Malla Ji,

> > > Namastey!

> > > <Please do not copy Pope Gregory in the name of the vedas.Our system is

always limited nirayan.Limited for over a thousand years.It was never purely

tropical like Gregorian calendar.Even Julian does not seem to be purely

tropical.>

> > > Why are you confusing the issues? I have made it clear time and again

that the moment we utter the word Rashi, we land in the mess of sayana and

nirayana controversies! We do not find any mention of Mesha etc. rashis till

the advent of Surya Sidhanta by Maya the mlechha! That is why I am repeating it

like a parrot that Mesha etc. rashis were imported from Babylonia via the

Greeks! Those rashis were, of course, so called sayana!

> > > Our puranas and tantra-shastras, in spite of what the " Parokshya

Professor " may say, invariably talk of a so called Sayana Rashichakra!

> > > This has been clarified in BVB6 and Rashi5 etc. documents!

> > > And that is an ample proof of the fact that all those Rashis in the

puranas etc. are post Surya Sidhanta interploations!

> > > And that is why I go on shouting from housetops that if at all we have to

choose rashis as a sort of necessary evil for our calendar they have to be so

called Sayana but to be delinked from nakshatras! And that is what Shri

Darshaney Lokesh is doing in his tithi-patrak! And that is what I have been

indicating in the list of festivals, which is in the files section.

> > >

> > > Pl. show me any shloka from any sidhanta or any Purana etc. that talks of

ayanamsha in the sense it is being used today! Bhaskara's Sidhanta Shiromani is

being misinterpreted by " Parokshya Professors " because of their vested

interests, just as they are foisting the spurious Rashi mantra on the VJ and

changing their stands like chameloens every moment of the day!

> > > Since you agree that the Rashis are not vedic at all, it is obvious that

by including them in the calendar, you calendar will be anything but Vedic! And

since you want the so called nirayana rashis instead of the so called sayana

rashis as a necessary evil in your calendar, that further confirms that calendar

of yours will neither be Pauranic nor sidhantic either!

> > > We may, as such, call your calendar by the name of Hari-Malla-calendar !

> > > You will appreciate that a lot of communications have already been

exchanged on this topic and since you are not likely to see logic deliberately,

I must put on record that it is futile to have any further discusons with you.

> > > Dhanyavad.

> > > AKK

> > > HinduCalendar, " harimalla@ " <harimalla@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Darshaney Lokeshji,

> > > > Namaskar! If not, please let me know what it is I have missed.The

puranas are also vedic.They are made to explain the vedas, not to go against the

vedas. So how are puranas non-vedic please explain that also.

> > > > Please do not copy Pope Gregory in the name of the vedas.Our system is

always limited nirayan.Limited for over a thousand years.It was never purely

tropical like Gregorian calendar.Even Julian does not seem to be purely

tropical.

> > > > With your sayan calendar you are going to destroy the follwing vedic

concepts.

> > > > 1.Ganga (akash ganga) as the giver of mokshya by their fixedness.

> > > > 2.Nirayan lunar months with fullmoons attached to the nakshyatras.

> > > > 3.Prayer with Rudrakshya mala with the 108 beads which come from 108

padas of nakshyatras.

> > > > 4.Allthe stories of the puranas starting from the Bhagvatam.Do you think

you will ever be able to take the puranas to the creamation ground? If you think

so, it is purely your dream.

> > > > 5.Why do you not try to understand what the Vedanga jyotish verse No. 6

says. Is it purely tropical like the Gregorian or coordinative of the solar ,

lunar and the tropical dates? Thus please do not destroy the main concept of

Vedanga Jyotish from our vedic calendar. This is my sincere request.

> > > >

> > > > When a method has been found to keep our traditional niryan system , why

do you find it difficult to accept? Please do not change our traditional vedic

model.Please be vedic and not western.The annual adjustment of ayanamsa is never

our vedic method,it is a recent western style introduced by Pope gregory in the

16 th. century and supported by Shankar Balakrishna Dixit in the 19th.

century.Government of india supported this same concept in the National calendar

of India and shri Kaulji calls it cosmetic touches and nothing more.Please

reconsider your opinion.Thank you.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Hari Malla

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > HinduCalendar, darshaney lokesh

<darshaneylokesh@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > No, please no. You are still away of the answer and this is because

you do not followed the vedic system of calendar. You have studied the Puranas

only anbd puranas are all in all for you.You cannot see beyond the boundries

limited by your prejudiced concept.You cannot cooperate in the matter of the

true calendar.

> > > > > Darshaney Lokesh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > " harimalla@ " <harimalla@>

> > > > > HinduCalendar

> > > > > Saturday, 29 August, 2009 9:02:07 AM

> > > > > [HinduCalendar] Re: SENSE OF SEASONS & CALENDAR REFORM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Darshaney lokeshji,

> > > > > Namaskar! thank you for your mail wherein you have asked,

> > > > >

> > > > > <In a previous mail I asked you to let us know about what the wrong is

going on with present calendar system that you know but you have not yet replied

that mail.>

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree with you that in the present calendar system,at present, the

festivals are not as per the seasons where they should have been.The tropial

uttarayan date has crossed over to the region of mangsir purnima and is not

within the poush purnima zone any more, where it was originally fixed as maagha

snana.Thus my proposal to shift maagha snana and poush purnima to the present

mangsir purnima by the 'sayan' method.This shifting of the names by one month is

allowed by the sayan method.It is aimed at coordinating the nirayan sankranti

and the sayan sankranti so they are close.

> > > > >

> > > > > <how the solar months are supportive by vedic study>

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes I would like to know how the solar months are supported by the

vedic studies.Kindly give references.

> > > > >

> > > > > <yet dharmashastras' s progressive interpretation in favour of sayan

panchang will play major role in getting sayana based panchanga accepted. " >

> > > > >

> > > > > At the present context I can also understand the sympathy of Shri

Brijendra Srivastava who is Nideshak of the Apara Jyotisham in Jivaji Vishwa

Vidyalay.The spirit of sayan based panchanga is understood.but we can satisfy

this spirit by two methods.One is jumping one month in 2150 years or adjusting

ayanamsa every year as you propose. As you well know that adjusting every year

as you are suggesting has not been practised in our culture in the past.Jumping

after a long time sudddenly has been practised, by keeping one nirayan uttarayan

for a long time, say, about 1700 years with sun in dhanstiha, during the vedanga

jyotish period and for about another 1700 years at sun in makar sankranti.Now it

is time to jump again to another nirayan uttarayan point.I am sure you know that

the present system practised is the nirayan method of celebrating the festivals.

> > > > > I fully agree that the traditional pandits have not been able to stop

where they should have stopped by limiting the ayanamsa from increasing more

than the aceptable limit.My claim is that it should not have been let to

increase more than 15 degrees so as to coordiante th solar and the lunar

uttarayan dates.

> > > > > You well know that our system is coordinating the solar and the lunar

dates by adhimas every third year.The present proposal is to save the concept of

our adhimas system, which limits the nirayan sankranti and the nirayan fullmoons

within 15 days.You may please refer to the drawing in the file section of the

parvasudhar forum for the study of the sankranti and the full moon zones.I will

be sending one invitaion for you again.

> > > > > Let us first communicate with each other in that forum if you so

like.Then perhaps if possible meet in the future. I am in Nepal and if I come to

India I will inform you.My telephone in Nepal is 977-1-4358809. Thank you.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Hari Malla

> > > > >

> > > > > HinduCalendar, darshaney lokesh

<darshaneylokesh@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Hari Malla ji,

> > > > > > Your answer is not at all relevant to my explanation on

the sense of the seasons.Prejudiced pauranic( in your words dharm shashtr)

study have misled you. In a previous mail I asked you to let us know about what

the wrong is going on with present calendar system thatyou know but you have

not yet replied that mail. Iam extracting three paras here and these are from a

mail of Shr Brijendra Srivastava who is Nideshak of theApara Jyotisham in

Jivaji Vishwa Vidyalay. Alberuni's comment given In para 6 applies to your

invalied way of commenting. Such pretentions have already harmed us too much. At

least I myself cannot be befooled by such prejudiced elements. As a student of

Philosophy, I am well known to the fact of why Brhama ji is not worshiped, how

the solar months are supportive by vedic study and why the Chandra Mas tithis

are based for celebration of some of festivals but except the following paras I

stop arguing

> > > > > > with you any way (Sorry).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " 5-You have also mentioned Alberuni. AlBeruni 's book Qitaab ul

Hind (1030)AD was translated in English by German scholar Edward C.Sachau.Its

Hindi version by Noor Nabi Abbasi is available with National Book Trust.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6-AlBeruni, after studying Brahmgupta and Varahamihira etc has

pointed out, perhaps rightly, that Hindus mixup scientific questions with

religion it creats doubts and errors.

> > > > > > 7- Your Mohan Kriti AArsh Tithi Patrak Vs2066(2009- 2010) based on

Vedic division of 6 ritus with Tropical or Sayan values is a landmark work in

right direction. Let there be more discussion onit so that 23 days error may

gradually be acceptable to nirayan panchang -kartaas. yet dharmashastras' s

progressive interpretation in favour of sayan panchang will play major role in

getting sayana based panchanga accepted. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, if you are in India, I would like to have

personal meeting with you and for that I request you to let know your postal

address and a phone number please.

> > > > > > Aum Sham.

> > > > > >

Darshaney Lokesh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > " harimalla@ .. " <harimalla@ ..>

> > > > > > HinduCalendar

> > > > > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009 7:39:57 PM

> > > > > > [HinduCalendar] Re: SENSE OF SEASONS & CALENDAR REFORM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Darshaney Lokeshji,

> > > > > > Namaskar! I am indeed very happy to have got your reaction to my

mentioning of the lunar ayanas and seasons.

> > > > > > Yes I agree that the mooon goes generally around the earth.But does

it exactly go round the earth centre?

> > > > > > Dharma shastras mention that the centre of the lunar orbit is not

the earth which is prakriti, but it is Purush, which is God.All the 12 lunar

months in the year have this Purush except the adhimas.When Adhimaas went to

complain to Narayan(the Surya Narayan) that he has no purush to count on, then

Narayan is said to have committed to take care him by Narayan himself.Thus the

adhimas is also known as 'purushottam' month instead of just purush month.

> > > > > > Is it not that all our festivals are celebrated by the lunar dates

because God or Krishna or Shiva is at the centre of the lunar months.

> > > > > > Thus please note that all the parvas including the seasons and the

ayanas are best celebrated by the lunar tithis and months.This was the system in

the vedanga jyotish days.This is how the religious pople clebrate even now a

days.This is what dharma shastras like Dharma sindhu and Kalamadhav say. If

makar sankranti is solar uttarayan, poush purnima celebrated as maagha snana is

the lunar uttarayan celebrated.Makar sankranti falls at the middle of the

fluctaion of the poush purnima tithi.Which is the reason why makar sankranti is

taken as the nirayn uttrayan solar date.

> > > > > > The tropical uttarayan date is not celebrated in our vedic culture.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The solar months are artificial months, divided by humans into 12

equal parts. But the lunar month is the only natural vedic month and on top of

that we experience God or purush at the centre of the lunar motnhs. So why the

hesitation to give top priority to it? Is it we have been brainswashed by the

western tropical months or the rashi solar months? But these are only additions

later on and not originally vedic as Shri Kaulji has proved beyond doubt.So let

us discuss this till we are all satisfied.I have also said that it is prohibited

to celebrate by the sayan dates for the reason that Brahmaji, seated at the pole

star is not worshipped.This is the decision of Lord Shiva who wears the lunar

crescent upon his head.

> > > > > > If you like we can disciuss the three types of poles, the

gegraphical pole, the ecliptic pole and the lunar pole in the next mail. Thank

you,

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Hari Malla

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HinduCalendar, darshaney lokesh

<darshaneylokesh@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > > > Namastey.The following underlined

> > > > > > > portion is extracted

> > > > > > > from one

> > > > > > > of the latest mails of Hari Malla ji. Despite of my best regards

to him, I am

> > > > > > > bound to reveal you the fact that he has little understanding of

impaact of precession

> > > > > > > of equinox. Note that a day i.e. Dinman and a night i.e. Ratriman

are the

> > > > > > > UNITS of Months, then Ritus, then Ayans and then finally of the

Varsh

> > > > > > > i.e. years.

> > > > > > > As we all know that theses days and nights

> > > > > > > are caused

> > > > > > > by 'On axis rotation of the earth ( in front

> > > > > > > of the Sun) and Ritus are caused by movements of the same earth

but on it's

> > > > > > > ecliptical path around the Sun. Likewise the Ayans are caused by

maximum south

> > > > > > > (Uttarayan) and North (Daxinayan) declination with relation to the

Sun. The Sun

> > > > > > > and the earth are only the base elements of day and nights

> > > > > > > and not the Moon. I

> > > > > > > would like to make it very clear that

> > > > > > > the timeitself even a fraction of a

> > > > > > > second is created only by

> > > > > > > the ever prevailing relationship of sun and the earth.Moon

> > > > > > > is none where in context .In this

> > > > > > > connection remember able is

> > > > > > > a famous reply of our ex President Dr APJ Abdul Kalam to

> > > > > > > the question put by some one

> > > > > > > politician that whether the

> > > > > > > President would like to have fixed

> > > > > > > an auspicious muhurth

> > > > > > > for his swearing as President

> > > > > > > of the country? The Moon is

> > > > > > > contextive but in Tithis, Eclipses, yogas like Vyatipaat

> > > > > > > and Vaidhriti and

> > > > > > > lunar month including Adhi or Kshya

> > > > > > > months.

> > > > > > > We also know that the Moon has no

> > > > > > > light of it's own

> > > > > > > and that it

> > > > > > > revolves around the earth only. With the Moon

> > > > > > > creates only tithis from 1st to 15th

> > > > > > > (BFN) and 16th to 30th

> > > > > > > (DFN). Duration of these tithis or Moon Rise and Moon

> > > > > > > Set does not give us any Day or Night i.e. Dinman or

> > > > > > > Ratriman. and thus this Luna i.e. the Moon cannot give

> > > > > > > us the Seasons and Ayans as the way the Sun gives.

> > > > > > > Neither at reaching it's Zero declination Moon can give

> > > > > > > us equal Day and Night duration

> > > > > > > nor at it's maximum

> > > > > > > declination it can give us the

> > > > > > > extended day/night or shortned

> > > > > > > night/day. Neither we can do it's Chhayendu Sadhan nor

> > > > > > > we can observe any Lats and Longs with the help of Moon.

> > > > > > > Rigved clearifies that the

> > > > > > > Sungoverns the earth and not the moon,

> > > > > > > " UXAADADHARPRITHIVI MUT DYAAM. "

> > > > > > > More over much talked

> > > > > > > Ayanamsha is a total precesion

> > > > > > > of the ayan and that has nothing

> > > > > > > to do for calendar

> > > > > > > making. By renaming the Chaitr as

> > > > > > > Vaisakh on the every year

> > > > > > > of need we can modulate our time being solution

> > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > calendar but think it

> > > > > > > seriously, it will be just next to

> > > > > > > impossible for you to trace out

> > > > > > > the date of a long past i.e.

> > > > > > > 200, 300. 400...... and son years

> > > > > > > back. One by one but

> > > > > > > anomalies will remain there unavoidable.

> > > > > > > The concept of NIRAYANA ( I call it

> > > > > > > niraadhar) proclaims

> > > > > > > that the earth revolves around the Chitra Taara and not that

> > > > > > > of the sun. When earth crosses the midway line of the

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > Chitra tara and enters from North to South or South to

> > > > > > > North

> > > > > > > it fixes the starting points of the Mesha and Tula. Now please

> > > > > > > mind it that the said taara is 260

> > > > > > > LY far from our Sun and is

> > > > > > > beyond two degree south of the

> > > > > > > ecliptic. So,Ritus (Season) and

> > > > > > > say every thing related to

> > > > > > > the life on earth is not effected by any

> > > > > > > star other than the Sun. To trade

> > > > > > > on the Nirayana or even Sayana

> > > > > > > is nothing but " Andhainaiv neeyamaana yatha andhah " .Option

> > > > > > > is open for what to do or what

> > > > > > > not to do.

> > > > > > > As a dedicated person to the subject

> > > > > > > of Calendar Reform I

> > > > > > > request all erudites like Hari

> > > > > > > Malla jiwho is also conducting a

> > > > > > > group on Parv Sudhar to please be proper by improving himself

> > > > > > > first otherwise better to stop

> > > > > > > talking on this subject of Parv Sudhar.

> > > > > > > i.e PAHLE KHUD KO SUDHAREN HUM OR

> > > > > > > TUB BAAT

> > > > > > > KAREN PARV SUDHAR KI TO ACHHA HOGA.

> > > > > > > Aum Sham!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Darshaney Lokesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sampadak,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shree Mohan Krity arsh tithi Patrak

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > Genl Secretary,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar samiti,

> > > > > > > Greater

> > > > > > > Noida (UP)- 201310

> > > > > > > Ph : 0120-6544628 (M) 09412354036

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Note - Shree Mohan Krity arsh Tithi Patrak is neither SayanA nor

> > > > > > > NirayanA and intimates you about correct Sankrantis, unequal

> > > > > > > division of all the prominient 28 nakshtra and also the correct

> > > > > > > dates of the festivals, muhurtas adhi-masas etc.This Patrak for

the

> > > > > > > 'Krodhi' Samvatsar 2067 is already calculated and is likely to be

> > > > > > > published by Oct 2009.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > = = = = = = = = = =

> > > > > > > 1.There are not only solar seasons but also lunar seasons as

depicted

> > > > > > > by our tithis.Thus we have both lunar ayana as well as lunar

seasons.

> > > > > > > The lunar chaitra and lunar vaisakh months make lunar

vasanta.poush

> > > > > > > full moon or magh sukla pratiada and Asadh full moon or shravan

sukla

> > > > > > > pratipada are respecively purnimanta and amanta lunar uttarayan

and

> > > > > > > dakhinayan respectively.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2.Thus the lunar tithis are both connected to the nakshyatras and

the

> > > > > > > seasons.The poush full moon is connected to purshya nakshyatra and

> > > > > > > Asadha fullmoon to purva asadha and uttar Ashadha nakshyatra etc.

> > > > > > >

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