[Ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Happy Vijaya Dasami 2066, on Bhadra 14; August 30,2009

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Dear Goel sir,

I think you are quite confused about tropical and sidereal signs and their

connection with the festivals.The festivals are primarily tropical. But they are

also sidereal at the same time, as the difference between them being neglected

upto 15 degree or while the same tithi are touching both the sidereal and

tropical sankrantis. They are jointly sidereal and tropical. It is not as you

say sometime tropical and sometime siderealas follows:.

 

< " Equinoxes and Solstices were in no way linked to Sidereal>

 

If what you say is corect then why in Vedanga jyotish it is said that 'when the

sun is in dhanistha then uttaryan occurs simultneously.'?

 

In the below expression also you have missed the mark.

 

<Makara Sankaranti was always observed on the ingress of Sun in sidereal

> Makara (Capricorn) sign which contains Sharvan Nakshatra.

> As such the assumption that Makara

> sankaranti was celebrated on the occurrence

> of the day of winter solstice , is nothing but a fragrance of misplaced

> imagination.>

If what you say is corret then why in sidhanta yotish it is said that 'uttarayn

occurs at makar sankranti?'

Thus Goel sir why are you not taking things as thery are expressed in the books

and try to say what the boodks do not say.?

Regards,

Hari Malla

 

 

vedic astrology , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir ,

> As regards celebrating festivals in India ,

> I will like to mention as under:

>

>

> " Equinoxes and Solstices were in no way linked to Sidereal

> signs. It is purely a misnomer.

> Our sages devised 27 Nakshatra based on the fact that

> Moon takes 27.3 days to complete one round of the Zodiac.

> These Nakshatra have an equal arc of 13deg 20 min and

> first Nakshatra is named and counted from Asavini.This is

> the division also for Astrological purposes. The movement

> of above four cardinal points is observed and recorded in the background of

> these Nakshatra and stars. As these points are indicator of the seasons and

> very necessary for civil functions of the society .The days of their

occurrences

> are considered very auspicious. These four points had to do nothing with

Makara Sankranti. . This

> is the one part of the story.

>

> As earth was taking nearly 365 days to go round the Sun.

> the circular zodiac was divided in equal 360 deg. There were

> approximately 12 lunar months in one solar year, they divided

> zodiac in 12 sidereal signs of 30 deg each and first sign was

> named as Aries. The sign Aries commences from the initial

> (or zero degree) of Asavini. This point is opposite to Star Citra (Spica 16).

> Makara Sankaranti was always observed on the ingress of Sun in sidereal

> Makara (Capricorn) sign which contains Sharvan Nakshatra.

> As such the assumption that Makara

> sankaranti was celebrated on the occurrence

> of the day of winter solstice , is nothing but a fragrance of misplaced

> imagination.

>

> Once sidereal signs were widely adopted in the construction of

> 12 house nativity, these signs were put multiple uses over a long period

like:

> 1. The sign rising in the East was considered as Ascending sign and subsequent

> were considered as 2h and so on..

> 2. In Kala pursa chart 1st house was always synonym to sign Aries. 1st house

and sign Aries

> represent same significance. This is the reason that Mars is permanent owner

of

> 1st house and Sun is its significator. Ancient sage Bhirgu has

> devised many yogas on this basis.

> 3. This method has given other ideas.

> As V.E. POINT was a important reference point since ancient times, a new

> division of 12 signs was devised commencing from V.E.point ,.the first sign

> again named as Aries though it was not having any direct link with stars. Even

Astronomers

> started calling V.E.point as “THE FIRST POINT OF ARIESâ€. This had happened

only

> when this point could be precisely located on the Zodiac. All of us know that

> Pope Gregory 13th had to adjust the calendar by 10 days. Indian

> festivals were always celebrated bases on Panchang ie the five parameters (

> limbs)of mahurta. namely 1. Week days 2. Ththi 3. Karan ,4. Nakshatra 5. yoga

(addition of

> sidereal longitudes of Moon and Sun). There was no question of fixing the date

> and time of Indian festivals based on Tropical coordinates. "

> REGARDS

>

> G. K. Goel

>

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> Sunday, 30 August, 2009 2:55:32 PM

> [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Fwd: Happy Vijaya Dasami 2066, on

Bhadra 14; August 30,2009

>

>

> HinduCalendar, " a_krishen " <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

>

> Shri Hari Malla-ji.

> Namastey!

>

> <Happy Vijaya Dasami 2066, on Bhadra 14; August 30,2009>

> Even nirayananawalas are celebrating Vijaya Dashmi this year on September 28!

Your celebrating it on August 30 must therefore be " double nirayana " , since

nirayana festivals are usually one month ahead of Sayana festivals, whereas

yours appear to be one month behind Sayana and nirayana, both!

> As such, three cheers for Hari Malla-calendar, which is neither nirayana nor

sayayan least of all Vedic olr Pauranic!

> It is futile to discuss any other astronomical or sidhantic point with you

since you have got an infection from some " parokshya Professors " to interpret

everything and anything the way you want to!

> Dhanyavad.

> AKK

> HinduCalendar, " harimalla@ " <harimalla@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Kaulji,

> > Namaskar! The logic is simple.In the purnimanta system, the Kojagrat purnima

is the equinoctical purnima.At present Ashwin purnima is said to be the Kojagrat

purnima.But Ashwin purnima does not touch the preesnt tropical equinox, during

its fluctuation, but Bhadra purnima does go forward and backward of Ashwin 7th,

the equinoctical date or september 22-23. Thus the present Bhadra purnima

becomes the undoubted equinoctical purnima and thus the Kajagrat purnima too.

> > There is no change of prevalent system here.Only the renaming of Bhadra

purnima as Ashwin purnma to keep the dharma shastraas intact since dharma

shastras says, Ashwin purnima is the equinoctical purnima and the start of

Kartik snana from it. Thus we only call the Bhadra purnima as the Ashwin

purnima. Since the lunar month shift one month for the above reason,in a

coordianted fashion, we also shift the solar months.This is required in our soli

lunar system where the sun and the moon are coordinated.

> > In the Amanta system,Kartik sukla pratidpada( overdhan puja, or the start of

Ram rajya) is said to be the equinoctical date. This is also shifted by one

month backward as it does not touch the equinox,whereas the present Aswin sukla

partipada, which touches the equinox becomes the equinoctical pratipada as it

goes both backward and froward from the equinoctical date of September 22- 23

during its fluctuation. Please refer to the drawing 'Scientific basis of

calendar reform' in the file section of parvasuhar forum.

> > The underlying principle or theory behind it is, do not change any of the

present system or formula, but only change the numerical values in the formulas

as required, so we do not disturb the superb vedic system that we already have,

which is to guide the whole world in the future for world peace.A guideline

which will guide all future calendar reforms in the world, including the

Gregorian calendar, of which the modern conscious Christians are not fully

satisfied.

> >

> > Thus my request to shri Kaulji, to realise the suberb calendar we already

have, and not to meddle with our system, with the help of a lesser developed

calendar which is the Gregorian calendar, inspite of Shri BK Dixit's praise for

it.thank you,

> > Regrds,

> > Hari Malla

> >

> > HinduCalendar, " a_krishen " <jyotirved@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Hari Malla ji,

> > > Namaste!

> > > <Happy Vijaya Dasami 2066, on Bhadra 14; August 30,2009>

> > > What are the criteria for celebrating Vijaya Dashmi on August 30, 2009?

> > > Dhanyavad.

> > > AKK

> > > HinduCalendar, " harimalla@ " <harimalla@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > parvasudhar2065, " harimalla@ " <harimalla@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear members,

> > > > Happy vijaya dasami 2066! I am happy to send this greetings of the

reformed festival date since we are on the verge of celebating it correctly,

next year as per the decision of the Govenment of Nepal.

> > > > I would also take this opportunity to invite all the members and also

those interested in exchanging the greeting with other friends in the premises

of Guheswari Temple, on Kojagrat purnima date, coming Friday,19 th. Bhadra,

2066, at 3 p.m.

> > > > Expecting to see all friends and well wishers on that auspicious date

and thanking you all, I remain,

> > > > Sincerely yours,

> > > > Hari N. Mala

> > > >

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