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Shri  Kaul,

 

Come and let us see who is making fool of himself- you or me:

1)

You are mistaken. I am not enigmatic and I judge issues on their own merit merit

while considering the views of all others. I did say that I am myself convinced

that Yama is Shani. There are other cases like this too. The Rudra of the Veda

is the Shiva in the Purana and the Swarbhanu of Veda is the Rahu / Ketu in

astrology.  I need not mention who are all the people who believe like me. Will

you please let us know why you try to use the names of Meghnad Saha, Dixit and

other personalities to give weight to your views instead of discussing the

issues on their own merit?. Please reply.

2)

Agreed that the heading of the thread is " “Vaivarta

Puran & Prakriti Khand.†but if you would have opened your eyes you would have

seen that one of the topics discussed was who is Shani in the purana (fifth

Veda) and I added who represents Shani in the Rig Veda. Do you consider it to be

a crime? Please reply.

3)

You said that Kathopanishad says that even gods succumb to Yama ultimately. You

have misunderstood the Upanishad. The message of all the Upanishads is that

evrybody ultimately realises the oneness with the Brahman. " Sarvam Khalvidam

Brahma " . Even Yama has a limited life. Will you refrain from misinterpreting the

Shastras? Please reply.

4)

Do you know that Saraswati has two vahanas ie. the Swan as well as the

Peacock.   Moreover you do not understand astrology as I have shown earlier.

You do not know that there are 12 Lagnas in a day of 24 hours and that is why

you could not understand how Bharata could take birth after 14 hours in Mina

Lagna. In the Original Sanskrit verse it is clearly given " Mina Lagne " .   In

astrology the vahana of Shani is buffalo and one of the daanas for propitiation

of Shani if buffalo. May be Shani Maharaj may not be able to fly with buffalo

like he will able to do with the Vulture (some say it is crow). Will you stop

dabbling at astrology? Please reply.

 

I hope you will not evade replying to the five points above. If you call my

points as foolish  can I not call your comments as utterly idiotic in the light

of the above?

 

You also said :

 

Quote

 

 

 

 

 

In

the posts attached with SKB’s mail, some “Vedic astrologerâ€

has made the following comments

 

<Mahatma

goswami tulsi Das  ji  was  trikal darshi and  if  you

read Ram charit Manas…..>

 

As

already clarified in an earlier post, Goswami Tulsidas has not said anywhere

that Bhagwan Ram had five planets exalted or He was born in Karkata lagna etc.

or Bharata was born with the sun or lagna in Mina or Shaturgna and Lakshmana

with the sun in Karkata and so on!  That means that Goswami Tulsidas did

not agree with the good for nothing jyotishi’s interpolations in the VR

or AR!

 

That

is why all that Tulsidasji has said in Doha No. 190 in Balakanda is:

â€All  the planets, tithi etc. at the time of birth of Bhagwan Ram

were favourableâ€. 

 

Tulsidas

has not even said that Bhagwan Ram was born in Punarvasu nakshatra!  That

again means that Goswami Tulsidas could understand, unlike jyotish samrat SKB,

 that it was impossible for anyone to be born in Madhumasa with the sun in

Mesha and then Shukla paksha navmi and Punnarvasu nakshatra!  

Tulsidasji has simply said, " navmi tithi madhumas puneeta, sukalpachha

abhijit hari preeta "

 

That

itself should have paid put to " Vedic astrologers " foolish attempts

to subjugate Bhagwan Ram to planetary suzerainty!  But

then  " Vedic astrologers " being actually Kaliyugi astrologers,

they will interpret everything according to their sinister motives!

 

If

you peruse the contents of the complete post of SKB further, you can see the

following “quotable quotesâ€

 

“

1)Durga : Planet is Mars

 

2)Laxmi

: Planet is Venus.

 

3)Saraswati

: Planet is Mercury.

 

 

 

4)Savitri : Planet is

Jupiter.

 

5)Radha.

: Planet is Saturn.â€

 

Since

Radha was a contemporary of Shri Krishen, which according to

Bhata-jyotish- acharjya was in about 3200 BCE, that means there was no Saturn

before then!

Now why are you afraid of taking the names of Shri Bhaskarli and Shri Goyelji,

who made the above statements. Where did I say Radha is the daughter of Sun?

Whom are you asking to prepare the vedic horoscope of Radha and Saturn / the

Yama? Only a lunatic will say so. With your zero knowledge please stop

ridiculing the Parokshya and Pratyaksha knowledge. You are having bad days and i

suggest that you show your horoscope to some good astrologer and / or go to a

good psychiatrist.

 

Sincerely,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:

 

jyotirved <jyotirved

[VRI] Re: Vaivarta Puran & Prakriti Khand.

vedic_research_institute

Cc: hinducalendar ,

indian_astrology_group_daily_digest

Monday, October 5, 2009, 7:59 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

 

Jai

Shri Ram!

 

SKB

is again making a fool of himself by putting his knowledge (actually ignorance)

on public display!  He has said, “According to some scholars Yama in

Veda is the Saturn in Jyotisha and I agree with that. Yama is the son of the

Sun and so also is the Saturn the son of the Sun. They have the same type of

vahanaâ€.

 

Why

is he enigmatic?  Why does he not name the scholars according to whom Yama

in Veda is the Saturn in Jyotisha?  Again, the heading of the post is

“Vaivarta

Puran & Prakriti Khand.â€. Is that a Veda?

 

SKB

says Yama is the son of the sun!  That is news to me!  Kathopanishad

tells us that even gods succumb to Yama ultimately!  In other words, Yama

will kill his own father one day!  If Yama was born after the sun, how

could it become Yama?  Just through the efforts of “Vedic astrologers� 

 

 

Further,

is SKB sure that the vahanas of Yama and Saturn are the same?  Will he pl.

quote the exact authorities with their meanings?   IMHO, the vahana

of Saturn is a vulture whereas that of Yama a buffalo!

 

But

maybe according to the omniscient SKB there is no difference between a vulture

and a buffalo--just as a Scorpion is equal to a Crocodile in their " equal

division rashichakra " !

 

And

to crown all such foolish statements with the “wisdom†of further

non-sense, jyotish-samrat SKB and company will calculate the longitude,

latitude etc. of Yama-raja through heliocentric orbital elements from JPL/NASA

and call that the longitude of “Yamarajaâ€!  Can there be any

more foolish statement than the same? My God! Is there no limit to the

stupidities of “Vedic astrologers�

 

In

the posts attached with SKB’s mail, some “Vedic astrologerâ€

has made the following comments

 

<Mahatma

goswami tulsi Das  ji  was  trikal darshi and  if  you

read Ram charit Manas…..>

 

As

already clarified in an earlier post, Goswami Tulsidas has not said anywhere

that Bhagwan Ram had five planets exalted or He was born in Karkata lagna etc.

or Bharata was born with the sun or lagna in Mina or Shaturgna and Lakshmana

with the sun in Karkata and so on!  That means that Goswami Tulsidas did

not agree with the good for nothing jyotishi’s interpolations in the VR

or AR!

 

That

is why all that Tulsidasji has said in Doha No. 190 in Balakanda is:

â€All  the planets, tithi etc. at the time of birth of Bhagwan Ram

were favourableâ€. 

 

Tulsidas

has not even said that Bhagwan Ram was born in Punarvasu nakshatra!  That

again means that Goswami Tulsidas could understand, unlike jyotish samrat SKB,

 that it was impossible for anyone to be born in Madhumasa with the sun in

Mesha and then Shukla paksha navmi and Punnarvasu nakshatra!  

Tulsidasji has simply said, " navmi tithi madhumas puneeta, sukalpachha

abhijit hari preeta "

 

That

itself should have paid put to " Vedic astrologers " foolish attempts

to subjugate Bhagwan Ram to planetary suzerainty!  But

then  " Vedic astrologers " being actually Kaliyugi astrologers,

they will interpret everything according to their sinister motives!

 

If

you peruse the contents of the complete post of SKB further, you can see the

following “quotable quotesâ€

 

“

1)Durga : Planet is Mars

 

2)Laxmi

: Planet is Venus.

 

3)Saraswati

: Planet is Mercury.

 

 

 

4)Savitri : Planet is

Jupiter.

 

5)Radha.

: Planet is Saturn.â€

 

Since

Radha was a contemporary of Shri Krishen, which according to

Bhata-jyotish- acharjya was in about 3200 BCE, that means there was no Saturn

before then!

 

SKB

being “know it allâ€, will he please clarify whether it is Yama that

is Saturn or it is Radha that is Saturn?  Was Radha the daughter of

Sun?  If yes, then she should be the sister of Yama and not Yama

himself/herself!

 

BTW,

what is the date of birth of Radha a.k.a Saturn the Yama?  Why not

erect a “Vedic horoscope†for her/him?

 

SKB

appears to be in his real “paroskhya†mode and by now we know what

that means---HALLUCINATI ON.

 

Jai

Shri Ram!

 

A

K Kaul

 

---

In vedic_research_ institute,

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya

wrote:Dear friends,

 

 

 

According to some scholars Yama in Veda is the Saturn in Jyotisha and I agree

with

that.. Yama is the son of the Sun and so also is the Saturn the son of the Sun.

They have the same type of vahana.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...>

wrote:

 

 

 

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...>

 

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Vaivarta Puran & Prakriti Khand.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009, 9:30 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Radha is Saturn ..... looks good, great discovery !!

 

 

 

~utkal.

 

 

 

ancient_indian_

astrology, Akhil Mishra

 

<astro6301@. ..> wrote:

 

>

 

> Bhaskar ji

 

> Mahatma goswami tulsi Das ji was trikal darshi and if you read

 

Ram charit Manas and Geetwali you will get lot of quotes related

 

with Jyotish.

 

> Regards

 

> Dr Mishra

 

>

 

> --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

 

>

 

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

 

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Vaivarta Puran & Prakriti

 

Khand.

 

> ancient_indian_

astrology

 

> Received: Monday, October 5, 2009, 3:52 AM

 

>>

 

> Dear Goel ji,

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Rahu is mentioned in the Tulsidasa Ramayana in the initial Chapters,

 

in some shloka (If someone wishes to know which one, I can locate this

 

after reaching Bombay) though I did not mention this, because people

 

will say that Tulsidasji is of recent origin...etc, so I kept quiet.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> About the rest of your mail, I am not eligible enough or competent to

 

answer or comment on the same.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> regards/Bhaskar.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel "

 

goyalvj@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Dear All,

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > In Bhrama Vaivatra Puran, (Pg 85 Gita press Gorakhpur) in Prakriti

 

Khanda, Bhagwan Narayan says to Narada that on five Devi is called

 

Prakriti in which this Universe is dependent.

 

>

 

> > These five Devi are :

 

>

 

> > 1)Durga (who is mother of Ganesh)

 

>

 

> > 2)Laxmi

 

>

 

> > 3)Saraswati

 

>

 

> > 4)Savitri

 

>

 

> > 5)Radha.

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > I think these are referred as Five Tattwas and just a though came to

 

my mind to relate these with five planets as following:

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > 1)Durga : Planet is Mars.

 

>

 

> > 2)Laxmi : Planet is Venus.

 

>

 

> > 3)Saraswati : Planet is Mercury.

 

>

 

> > 4)Savitri : Planet is Jupiter.

 

>

 

> > 5)Radha. : Planet is Saturn.

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Though Rahu\ketu and sun\moon are excluded in basic scheme of

 

tattwas still we can classify by putting Rahu and ketu with Durga, Sun

 

with Saraswati & Moon with Savitri.

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > This is just my thought and shared with all, if you find appropriate

 

than discuss it else leave it.

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Thankyou,

 

>

 

> > Best Wishes,

 

>

 

> > Vijay Goel

 

>

 

> > Jaipur.

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" Bhaskar "

 

<bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji and all,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Those who wish to learn about the real source of astrology and

the

 

>

 

> > > timings etc. must make an independent reading and study into the

 

ancient

 

>

 

> > > puranas and must not allow themselves to be influenced by any

 

modern

 

>

 

> > > texts or, websites on such subjects. 3 years of study of the

 

following

 

>

 

> > > would give one an indepth knowledge and original knowledge of

 

actual

 

>

 

> > > astrology on Nakshatras , Vedic astrology and allied subjects.

 

Just

 

>

 

> > > Forget the commonly known astrological texts we are accustomed

to.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Read these and one has read all -

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > 1) Narada Purana.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > 2) Padma Purana.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > 3) Brahmavaarvat Purana.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > Recently I posted some lines on Nishedha food for certain Masas

 

and

 

>

 

> > > tithis. These come from " BrahmaVaarvat Puraana " Page

78 (Gita

 

Press).

 

>

 

> > > The above will teach one real astrology and not the " Bankas

 

bakwaas "

 

>

 

> > > astrology we notice all around us.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > The above advice comes from a real Yogi and not from me. I have

 

seen

 

>

 

> > > this Yogi perform real miracles in day times, a man who can call

 

at will

 

>

 

> > > anyone from the atmosphere, a man who can predict the time of

 

death to

 

>

 

> > > the minute, a man who can tell you what planets are placed where

 

in Your

 

>

 

> > > horoscope without even opening or closing his eyes. He is my

 

Spiritual

 

>

 

> > > , mantra and Jyotish Guru who can just see a person and tell him

 

what

 

>

 

> > > planets in his Horoscope indicate the source of his ills. He is

 

the best

 

>

 

> > > jyotishi I have seen till date, and about 25 years ago I have

seen

 

him

 

>

 

> > > explaining Horoscopes like nobody else and giving sureshot

 

remedies. He

 

>

 

> > > can exorcise the most evil Pisachini gripping a person with his

 

powers .

 

>

 

> > > He has completed the Dus Mahavidyas in his early youth and

 

attained

 

>

 

> > > Siddhis which very few can claim in times of today. When he

 

conducts

 

>

 

> > > Yagnas the animals like Owls and snakes connected to the Diety

 

(Whose

 

>

 

> > > pooja is conducted) come and sit across near him till the Yagna

is

 

>

 

> > > completed and he receives thus the blessings of the Diety. My

 

nephew was

 

>

 

> > > in the last stage of his Cancer and he just with his power of

Yoga

 

and

 

>

 

> > > in one sentence commanded all the blood cells to rejunevate and

 

removed

 

>

 

> > > the Cancer in a minute. Whereas the foremost Cancer Surgeon of

 

Asia ,

 

>

 

> > > Dr.Advani at jaslok hospital, Bombay had finally after giving

the

 

>

 

> > > maximum number of chemotherapies which can be given to any human

 

being,

 

>

 

> > > had lost hope and asked us to call all relatives for the final

 

journey

 

>

 

> > > of the boy. Such a great person is he. I have witnessed many

such

 

of his

 

>

 

> > > miracles in the last 25 years of my existence. He just has to

 

>

 

> > > think(Concentrate) for a moment (Few seconds) about You and all

 

>

 

> > > knowledge about you becomes accessible to him. He stopped

 

predicting

 

>

 

> > > from actual Horoscopes in the early 90's after having attained

 

Siddhis

 

>

 

> > > from his own Guru Pahadi Baba. Anyways I do not wish to speak

much

 

>

 

> > > about him, but just send this above message across to all

 

Jyotishis who

 

>

 

> > > are really sincere and wish to actually help people and make

this

 

world

 

>

 

> > > a better place to live in.

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > best wishes,

 

>

 

> > >

 

>

 

> > > bhaskar.

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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