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To All,

 

Vedas and its limbs (Vedaangas) are quite different from empirical

sciences in content as well as in methodology and approach. The latter

(empirical sciences) develop on the basis of accumulation of observed

data, newer analyses of those data and ensuing theories which explain

those data in a better way than older theories.

 

But Veda and its limbs comprise 'Sacred Knowledge' revealed to the

enlightened sages by supernatural powers. The fundamental distinction

between Vedic and Empirical sciences can be summed up thus : empirical

sciences are subservient to external facts, while Vedic knowledge is

completely internal and is attained by means of samadhi and not

observation of external phenomena. Things-for-us are things as perceived

by sensory organs. But sense organs cannot go beneath the surface of

phenomena. It is the sixth sense which penetrates into

Things-in-themselves and reveals the Noumena to the possessor of sixth

sense. Sixth sense is not a mysterious thing. It is the natural state of

mind. When the mind is purged of worldly desires and sense organs are

retracted from their subjects which are objects-of-the-world, the mind

rises to its pristine and primordial glory and capability and does not

require the assistance of sense organs to perceive both the surface as

well as the hidden aspects of reality of things and events. It becomes

telepathic and clairvoyant, capable of knowing past, present anf future

of all worlds, making a person a real Daivajna (Jyotishi). Some people

possess miraculous capabilities by dint of some piety of past lives, but

they do not know how to channelize these capabilities into proper

spiritual direction due to spurious milieu of Kaliyuga. But a really

enlightened soul is different from an exordinary person possessing only

one or two bizarre qualities. Really pure souls are Chosen Lambs or

children of God-the-Father Dyaus-Pitr. Such pure souls received Vedic

knowledge for the benefit of rest of mankind.

 

The more we go into past, the more coherence and comprehensiveness we

find in Vedic knowledge. It is foolish to hope that Vedic knowledge may

be improved by filthy persons of Kaliyuga who do not even know the

meaning of mantras but pose as experts. Mr David frawley has

recentlywritten in an article defending Vedic Jyotisha (Oct 13,2009, on

Bhaktivedanta site) that one Vedic mantra says Speech has four levels,

but only one is used by and revealed to normal humans. The rest are

divine, which are used by gods and rishis.

 

Vedic Jyotisha is a part and parcel of Veda. It can be only damaged by

innovators. Innovators are looking for inventions owing to two reasons :

lust for fame, and incapabilikty to predict correctly which makes them

think that the knowledge thet possess is faulty and needs further

development. Arrogance of modern evolutionists makes them blind to the

greatness of ancient wisdom. Great material progress has been made by

modern man. But ancient rishis did not fail in material progress, they

refused material progress because they knew materialism destroys

spiritualism.

 

The dilemma of modern innovators in the field of Vedic Jyotisha is that

they want both worlds at the same time. Such a state of mind has been

defined as " Vikshipta " by Vyaasa Ji in his commentary on Patanjali's

Yoga-sutra.

 

In comparison to India, no country in the world has suffered so much

loss of ancient schools, temples, libraries and manuscripts due to

invasions by barbarians, but no other country has succeeded in

preserving a greater amount of ancient texts in spite of huge losses.

There are sufficient hints and explanations in myriads of texts. No

important aspect of Vedic Jyotisha has been permanently lost. For

instance, my software of stock forecasting is based on ancient Yaamala

Tantras which very few persons know contain great astrological

materials. No Hindu marriage is complete without Panch-shalaakaa Chakra,

which is taken from same Tantric sources. Same is the case with many

other well known devices such as Sapta-shalaaka Chakra, Sapta-naadi

Chakra, Sarvatobhadra Chakra, Shatapada, etc. These Tantric devices are

crucial to Vedic Jyotisha. Karna used Sarvatobhadra Chakra in

Mahabharata.

 

This is only one example. There are many other occult things which we

have forcibly made occult due to our lack of faith in spiritual wisdom

of our ancestors and our full faith in the materialistic sciences of

mlechchhas which they developed with the help of loot and piracy during

past five centuries.

 

Many scholars have quoted the 720 spokes of Dirghatamas's Kaalachakra

moving round the fixed navel (RV-I,164). But few know that this rcha

describes the most important formula of Vedic Jyotisha which is used to

predict all important events of the world. The fixed navel is Mt Meru,

and 720 spokes are 360 days and 360 nights : these are solar days and

nights according to the traditional definition of " solar " still used by

panchanga makers. In traditional panchangas, one solar day+night means

one degree of True Sun's movement. Thus, solar day begins with Sun's

entry into a new integral degree (eg, 32 or 33 degrees of longitude of

True Sun), and solar night is Sun's entry into half degree, eg 32.5 or

33.5 degree. Kundalis made at these junctures are effective for half

degree of Sun's motion. Kundalis made from Mt Meru predict the events of

whole world, while kundalis made from navels of Seven occult Dvipas

predict the fate of those dvipas.

 

This knowledge is sacred and should not be made public in its entirety,

because strengths and weaknesses of nations, companies and individuals

must not be predicted by terrorists and rascals.

 

By remaining hidden, it can never be destroyed, because its reservoir is

infinite : God. A Dvija performing sandhya and doing his/her duties

according to shaastras will receive whatever branch of Vedic Knowledge

he/she needs : the initial manta of Sandhya-vandana, taken from Rg Veda

( X-191) says that Rta (ethical order) and Satya (all that is eternally

indestructible and is always in " sattaa " , ie Self-knowledge and

Brahma-jnaana) are generated by means of Tapa. Tapa must be first

stepping stone of a Vedic Astrologer. The arrogance of becoming an

inventor of knowledge should be replaced with the humility of a true

Christian, a true Brahmin, a true Sufi.

 

-Vinay Jha

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Dear Vinay,

 

I fully agree that the ancient rishis went to samadhi and they  had vision of

the truth and those truths cannot be challenged. But don't you think that when

Einstein found the relation between Mass and Energy he too went to some kind of

samadhi and had the vision. Other scientists  could physically verify the

consequences of his findings during an eclipse.  The scientists too get divine

inspiration. All the scientific discoveries are too the results of such vision.

Being in scientific research I realised that quite sometime ago. All the

discoveries are from such inspirations to start with and the scientists only

confirm that by physical experimentations and never fail. However if someone

gets hallucination and wants to call that as inspiration in samadhi there could

be trouble.The material world is Vikriti ie. the manifestations coming from the

eight Prakritis. The eight prakritis are mentioned by Lord Krishna in the

Bhagavad Gita and a student of

Sankhya knows that. The physical world is also to be seen in the spiritual

light. That is why the Upaasana to a physical Pratima of a deity is still

considered effective, though Lord Krishna said " Pratima alpabuddhinam " .

 

There is a story that you may be knowing already. Hanuman freed Shani Maharaj

from Ravana and Shani was grateful to Hanuman. When Hanuman's Shani-dasha

started then Shani asked hanuman as to where he (Hanuman ) will like to see

Shani attaching to him (Hanuman). Hanuman allowed Shani to stay on top of his

(Hanuman's) head. Hanuman's devotees saw a black thing on Hanuman's head and

attacked that with stones. When it was realised that the black thing was none

other than Shani Maharaj then from that time the custom started that one should

put oil on Hanuman's head to please Shani. What I mean to say that grahas are

with us even though they may rule the physical planets and their actual

non-physical location cannot be measured by distance. If someone gives some

figure of physicat distances for the non-physical grahas then there is great

confusion. That is why I insist that let us consider only the physical distances

of the grahas as the grahas cannot be

located non-physically. Hope you will find this logic appealing.

 

I maintain you have a lot to tell us on the Suryasiddhanta but consider the fact

that the Suryasiddhanta, I believe, wants us to update its figures from time to

time and that is why Varahamihira updated the values in his time and later on

other Hindu astronomers too correceted these figures during their times. So we

may not be having the figures of the original Suryasiddhanta any more as they

might have become redundant. Probably you can tell us more about it.

 

Best wishes.

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 10/31/09, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

VJha <vinayjhaa16

[vedic astrology] Ancient and Modern Knowledge

vedic astrology

Saturday, October 31, 2009, 3:21 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To All,

 

 

 

Vedas and its limbs (Vedaangas) are quite different from empirical

 

sciences in content as well as in methodology and approach. The latter

 

(empirical sciences) develop on the basis of accumulation of observed

 

data, newer analyses of those data and ensuing theories which explain

 

those data in a better way than older theories.

 

 

 

But Veda and its limbs comprise 'Sacred Knowledge' revealed to the

 

enlightened sages by supernatural powers. The fundamental distinction

 

between Vedic and Empirical sciences can be summed up thus : empirical

 

sciences are subservient to external facts, while Vedic knowledge is

 

completely internal and is attained by means of samadhi and not

 

observation of external phenomena. Things-for-us are things as perceived

 

by sensory organs. But sense organs cannot go beneath the surface of

 

phenomena. It is the sixth sense which penetrates into

 

Things-in-themselve s and reveals the Noumena to the possessor of sixth

 

sense. Sixth sense is not a mysterious thing. It is the natural state of

 

mind. When the mind is purged of worldly desires and sense organs are

 

retracted from their subjects which are objects-of-the- world, the mind

 

rises to its pristine and primordial glory and capability and does not

 

require the assistance of sense organs to perceive both the surface as

 

well as the hidden aspects of reality of things and events. It becomes

 

telepathic and clairvoyant, capable of knowing past, present anf future

 

of all worlds, making a person a real Daivajna (Jyotishi). Some people

 

possess miraculous capabilities by dint of some piety of past lives, but

 

they do not know how to channelize these capabilities into proper

 

spiritual direction due to spurious milieu of Kaliyuga. But a really

 

enlightened soul is different from an exordinary person possessing only

 

one or two bizarre qualities. Really pure souls are Chosen Lambs or

 

children of God-the-Father Dyaus-Pitr. Such pure souls received Vedic

 

knowledge for the benefit of rest of mankind.

 

 

 

The more we go into past, the more coherence and comprehensiveness we

 

find in Vedic knowledge. It is foolish to hope that Vedic knowledge may

 

be improved by filthy persons of Kaliyuga who do not even know the

 

meaning of mantras but pose as experts. Mr David frawley has

 

recentlywritten in an article defending Vedic Jyotisha (Oct 13,2009, on

 

Bhaktivedanta site) that one Vedic mantra says Speech has four levels,

 

but only one is used by and revealed to normal humans. The rest are

 

divine, which are used by gods and rishis.

 

 

 

Vedic Jyotisha is a part and parcel of Veda. It can be only damaged by

 

innovators. Innovators are looking for inventions owing to two reasons :

 

lust for fame, and incapabilikty to predict correctly which makes them

 

think that the knowledge thet possess is faulty and needs further

 

development. Arrogance of modern evolutionists makes them blind to the

 

greatness of ancient wisdom. Great material progress has been made by

 

modern man. But ancient rishis did not fail in material progress, they

 

refused material progress because they knew materialism destroys

 

spiritualism.

 

 

 

The dilemma of modern innovators in the field of Vedic Jyotisha is that

 

they want both worlds at the same time. Such a state of mind has been

 

defined as " Vikshipta " by Vyaasa Ji in his commentary on Patanjali's

 

Yoga-sutra.

 

 

 

In comparison to India, no country in the world has suffered so much

 

loss of ancient schools, temples, libraries and manuscripts due to

 

invasions by barbarians, but no other country has succeeded in

 

preserving a greater amount of ancient texts in spite of huge losses.

 

There are sufficient hints and explanations in myriads of texts. No

 

important aspect of Vedic Jyotisha has been permanently lost. For

 

instance, my software of stock forecasting is based on ancient Yaamala

 

Tantras which very few persons know contain great astrological

 

materials. No Hindu marriage is complete without Panch-shalaakaa Chakra,

 

which is taken from same Tantric sources. Same is the case with many

 

other well known devices such as Sapta-shalaaka Chakra, Sapta-naadi

 

Chakra, Sarvatobhadra Chakra, Shatapada, etc. These Tantric devices are

 

crucial to Vedic Jyotisha. Karna used Sarvatobhadra Chakra in

 

Mahabharata.

 

 

 

This is only one example. There are many other occult things which we

 

have forcibly made occult due to our lack of faith in spiritual wisdom

 

of our ancestors and our full faith in the materialistic sciences of

 

mlechchhas which they developed with the help of loot and piracy during

 

past five centuries.

 

 

 

Many scholars have quoted the 720 spokes of Dirghatamas' s Kaalachakra

 

moving round the fixed navel (RV-I,164). But few know that this rcha

 

describes the most important formula of Vedic Jyotisha which is used to

 

predict all important events of the world. The fixed navel is Mt Meru,

 

and 720 spokes are 360 days and 360 nights : these are solar days and

 

nights according to the traditional definition of " solar " still used by

 

panchanga makers. In traditional panchangas, one solar day+night means

 

one degree of True Sun's movement. Thus, solar day begins with Sun's

 

entry into a new integral degree (eg, 32 or 33 degrees of longitude of

 

True Sun), and solar night is Sun's entry into half degree, eg 32.5 or

 

33.5 degree. Kundalis made at these junctures are effective for half

 

degree of Sun's motion. Kundalis made from Mt Meru predict the events of

 

whole world, while kundalis made from navels of Seven occult Dvipas

 

predict the fate of those dvipas.

 

 

 

This knowledge is sacred and should not be made public in its entirety,

 

because strengths and weaknesses of nations, companies and individuals

 

must not be predicted by terrorists and rascals.

 

 

 

By remaining hidden, it can never be destroyed, because its reservoir is

 

infinite : God. A Dvija performing sandhya and doing his/her duties

 

according to shaastras will receive whatever branch of Vedic Knowledge

 

he/she needs : the initial manta of Sandhya-vandana, taken from Rg Veda

 

( X-191) says that Rta (ethical order) and Satya (all that is eternally

 

indestructible and is always in " sattaa " , ie Self-knowledge and

 

Brahma-jnaana) are generated by means of Tapa. Tapa must be first

 

stepping stone of a Vedic Astrologer. The arrogance of becoming an

 

inventor of knowledge should be replaced with the humility of a true

 

Christian, a true Brahmin, a true Sufi.

 

 

 

-Vinay Jha

 

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Sunil Da,

 

The vision of rishis were challenged by Asuras even in Treta and Dvapar

yugas, leave aside Kaliyuga. If you find their vision unchallengeable,

it is due to your faith in truth.

 

Vision is not always correct. There is an ocean of difference between

samadhi and vision, even if the visionary is a genius like Einstein.

Samadhi is that state which is beyond what existentialists call

border-line situations. When Unconscious Mind does not exist, when

individual mind becomes one with the Cosmic, when there is no difference

between the knower and the object to be known, when the subject is one

with everything, then the person in samadhi is omniscient but lacks the

selfish desire to gain knowledge of Other, because there is no Other.

This balanced or " sama " state of samadhi is quite different from the

vision of a genius. The latter is in-tuition from God or Collective

Consciousness who lies beneath the socalled Collective Unconsciousness.

Jung used a wrong term. Benzene Ring was given to Kekule by this

Collective Consciousness, and such superb things cannot be given by any

unconscious agency. Collective Consciousness appeared unconscious to

Jung because we are generally unconscious towards its existence. It

(God) exists in every living being. Dhaaranaa, Dhaaya and Samaadhi are

higher statges of each other, and are quite different from untrained

visions of a genius, although the source of knowledge is same for both

types of receivers of knowledge : yogi receives in-tuition from the

Tutoe in full consciousness, which non-yogic geniuses receive knowledge

unconsciously. There are astrological yogas is geniuses by means of

which we can recognize their extraordinary talents, but yogic talents

attained through tapasyaa cannot be predicted astrologically : tapasyaa

can change the effects of horoscopes.

 

The definition of physical " matter " is subservient to sense perception.

If there is no perceiver of matter, there will be no definition of

" matter " and it will be impossible to decide whether matter exists or

not. Hence, matter has no independent existence, it is mere Maya. It is

kalpanaa or Kalpa of the Creator, but for the lesser mortals it is hard

reality because they cannot cognize any harder reality by means of their

faculties of perception. But there are many worlds closed to sense

organs and there are many modes in which deities can exist in each

world. Pratimaa is not deity in Vedic religion (YV : na tasya pratimaa

asti, ch-32, mantra-40). Pratimaa is not worshipped, the deity

symbolized by that pratimaa is worshipped.

 

Siddhanta Jyotisha is not taught to non-brahmachaaris. Whether

Suryasiddhanta is right or wrong is another matter, whether it is

understood by its socalled experts is another. Please find me a single

" expert: on earth who is capable of elucidating the siddhantic formula

of graha-spashtikarana according to earliest extant siddhantic tables

(Makaranda). These " experts " will eventually call the siddhantic grapes

as sour. Leave aside AKK & c, I am talking of professors of Jyotisha in

Sanskrit universities. You know I had challenged them and defeated in a

high court.

 

Siddhantic astronomy cannot be discussed publicly. It is a difficult and

obscure subject. Its proofs are its ASTROLOGICAL results, which are

100% accurate. Direct existence of siddhantic grahas cannot be

empirically proven, only their astrological effects can be proven. Those

who refuse to test the real proofs are like those who want to " see "

magnetism directly instead of its proofs.

 

-VJ

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vedic astrology , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay,

>

> I fully agree that the ancient rishis went to samadhi and they had

vision of the truth and those truths cannot be challenged. But don't you

think that when Einstein found the relation between Mass and Energy he

too went to some kind of samadhi and had the vision. Other scientists

could physically verify the consequences of his findings during an

eclipse. The scientists too get divine inspiration. All the scientific

discoveries are too the results of such vision. Being in scientific

research I realised that quite sometime ago. All the discoveries are

from such inspirations to start with and the scientists only confirm

that by physical experimentations and never fail. However if someone

gets hallucination and wants to call that as inspiration in samadhi

there could be trouble.The material world is Vikriti ie. the

manifestations coming from the eight Prakritis. The eight prakritis are

mentioned by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita and a student of

> Sankhya knows that. The physical world is also to be seen in the

spiritual light. That is why the Upaasana to a physical Pratima of a

deity is still considered effective, though Lord Krishna said " Pratima

alpabuddhinam " .

>

> There is a story that you may be knowing already. Hanuman freed Shani

Maharaj from Ravana and Shani was grateful to Hanuman. When Hanuman's

Shani-dasha started then Shani asked hanuman as to where he (Hanuman )

will like to see Shani attaching to him (Hanuman). Hanuman allowed Shani

to stay on top of his (Hanuman's) head. Hanuman's devotees saw a black

thing on Hanuman's head and attacked that with stones. When it was

realised that the black thing was none other than Shani Maharaj then

from that time the custom started that one should put oil on Hanuman's

head to please Shani. What I mean to say that grahas are with us even

though they may rule the physical planets and their actual non-physical

location cannot be measured by distance. If someone gives some figure of

physicat distances for the non-physical grahas then there is great

confusion. That is why I insist that let us consider only the physical

distances of the grahas as the grahas cannot be

> located non-physically. Hope you will find this logic appealing.

>

> I maintain you have a lot to tell us on the Suryasiddhanta but

consider the fact that the Suryasiddhanta, I believe, wants us to update

its figures from time to time and that is why Varahamihira updated the

values in his time and later on other Hindu astronomers too correceted

these figures during their times. So we may not be having the figures of

the original Suryasiddhanta any more as they might have become

redundant. Probably you can tell us more about it.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

>

>

>

> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, VJha vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> VJha vinayjhaa16

> [vedic astrology] Ancient and Modern Knowledge

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, October 31, 2009, 3:21 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

To All,

>

>

>

> Vedas and its limbs (Vedaangas) are quite different from empirical

>

> sciences in content as well as in methodology and approach. The latter

>

> (empirical sciences) develop on the basis of accumulation of observed

>

> data, newer analyses of those data and ensuing theories which explain

>

> those data in a better way than older theories.

>

>

>

> But Veda and its limbs comprise 'Sacred Knowledge' revealed to the

>

> enlightened sages by supernatural powers. The fundamental distinction

>

> between Vedic and Empirical sciences can be summed up thus : empirical

>

> sciences are subservient to external facts, while Vedic knowledge is

>

> completely internal and is attained by means of samadhi and not

>

> observation of external phenomena. Things-for-us are things as

perceived

>

> by sensory organs. But sense organs cannot go beneath the surface of

>

> phenomena. It is the sixth sense which penetrates into

>

> Things-in-themselve s and reveals the Noumena to the possessor of

sixth

>

> sense. Sixth sense is not a mysterious thing. It is the natural state

of

>

> mind. When the mind is purged of worldly desires and sense organs are

>

> retracted from their subjects which are objects-of-the- world, the

mind

>

> rises to its pristine and primordial glory and capability and does not

>

> require the assistance of sense organs to perceive both the surface as

>

> well as the hidden aspects of reality of things and events. It becomes

>

> telepathic and clairvoyant, capable of knowing past, present anf

future

>

> of all worlds, making a person a real Daivajna (Jyotishi). Some people

>

> possess miraculous capabilities by dint of some piety of past lives,

but

>

> they do not know how to channelize these capabilities into proper

>

> spiritual direction due to spurious milieu of Kaliyuga. But a really

>

> enlightened soul is different from an exordinary person possessing

only

>

> one or two bizarre qualities. Really pure souls are Chosen Lambs or

>

> children of God-the-Father Dyaus-Pitr. Such pure souls received Vedic

>

> knowledge for the benefit of rest of mankind.

>

>

>

> The more we go into past, the more coherence and comprehensiveness we

>

> find in Vedic knowledge. It is foolish to hope that Vedic knowledge

may

>

> be improved by filthy persons of Kaliyuga who do not even know the

>

> meaning of mantras but pose as experts. Mr David frawley has

>

> recentlywritten in an article defending Vedic Jyotisha (Oct 13,2009,

on

>

> Bhaktivedanta site) that one Vedic mantra says Speech has four levels,

>

> but only one is used by and revealed to normal humans. The rest are

>

> divine, which are used by gods and rishis.

>

>

>

> Vedic Jyotisha is a part and parcel of Veda. It can be only damaged by

>

> innovators. Innovators are looking for inventions owing to two reasons

:

>

> lust for fame, and incapabilikty to predict correctly which makes them

>

> think that the knowledge thet possess is faulty and needs further

>

> development. Arrogance of modern evolutionists makes them blind to the

>

> greatness of ancient wisdom. Great material progress has been made by

>

> modern man. But ancient rishis did not fail in material progress, they

>

> refused material progress because they knew materialism destroys

>

> spiritualism.

>

>

>

> The dilemma of modern innovators in the field of Vedic Jyotisha is

that

>

> they want both worlds at the same time. Such a state of mind has been

>

> defined as " Vikshipta " by Vyaasa Ji in his commentary on Patanjali's

>

> Yoga-sutra.

>

>

>

> In comparison to India, no country in the world has suffered so much

>

> loss of ancient schools, temples, libraries and manuscripts due to

>

> invasions by barbarians, but no other country has succeeded in

>

> preserving a greater amount of ancient texts in spite of huge losses.

>

> There are sufficient hints and explanations in myriads of texts. No

>

> important aspect of Vedic Jyotisha has been permanently lost. For

>

> instance, my software of stock forecasting is based on ancient Yaamala

>

> Tantras which very few persons know contain great astrological

>

> materials. No Hindu marriage is complete without Panch-shalaakaa

Chakra,

>

> which is taken from same Tantric sources. Same is the case with many

>

> other well known devices such as Sapta-shalaaka Chakra, Sapta-naadi

>

> Chakra, Sarvatobhadra Chakra, Shatapada, etc. These Tantric devices

are

>

> crucial to Vedic Jyotisha. Karna used Sarvatobhadra Chakra in

>

> Mahabharata.

>

>

>

> This is only one example. There are many other occult things which we

>

> have forcibly made occult due to our lack of faith in spiritual wisdom

>

> of our ancestors and our full faith in the materialistic sciences of

>

> mlechchhas which they developed with the help of loot and piracy

during

>

> past five centuries.

>

>

>

> Many scholars have quoted the 720 spokes of Dirghatamas' s Kaalachakra

>

> moving round the fixed navel (RV-I,164). But few know that this rcha

>

> describes the most important formula of Vedic Jyotisha which is used

to

>

> predict all important events of the world. The fixed navel is Mt Meru,

>

> and 720 spokes are 360 days and 360 nights : these are solar days and

>

> nights according to the traditional definition of " solar " still used

by

>

> panchanga makers. In traditional panchangas, one solar day+night means

>

> one degree of True Sun's movement. Thus, solar day begins with Sun's

>

> entry into a new integral degree (eg, 32 or 33 degrees of longitude of

>

> True Sun), and solar night is Sun's entry into half degree, eg 32.5 or

>

> 33.5 degree. Kundalis made at these junctures are effective for half

>

> degree of Sun's motion. Kundalis made from Mt Meru predict the events

of

>

> whole world, while kundalis made from navels of Seven occult Dvipas

>

> predict the fate of those dvipas.

>

>

>

> This knowledge is sacred and should not be made public in its

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> By remaining hidden, it can never be destroyed, because its reservoir

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> infinite : God. A Dvija performing sandhya and doing his/her duties

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> according to shaastras will receive whatever branch of Vedic Knowledge

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> he/she needs : the initial manta of Sandhya-vandana, taken from Rg

Veda

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> ( X-191) says that Rta (ethical order) and Satya (all that is

eternally

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> indestructible and is always in " sattaa " , ie Self-knowledge and

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> Brahma-jnaana) are generated by means of Tapa. Tapa must be first

>

> stepping stone of a Vedic Astrologer. The arrogance of becoming an

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> inventor of knowledge should be replaced with the humility of a true

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> Christian, a true Brahmin, a true Sufi.

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Dear Vinay,

 

You are unnecessarily trying to become argumentatative. if you think that the

Samadhi is not the right word to express the inspiration that the scientists get

then tell me what according to you is the right word. That is the constructive

approach. You jumped to the conclusion that I do not know what Samadhi is and

proceeded to give me jnana. I know that samadhi is the last stage of the

Ashtanga yoga, where the dhyahi gets totally absorbed in the dhyana itself and

it is the culmination of the process of dhyana. Again do not jump to correct me

.. Words are never hundred percent adequate to explain any term in short. I do

not know whether you have read or not in the Mahabharata that  when Arjuna

requested Lord Krishna to tell him the Bhagavad Gita once more then Lord Krsihna

told him that it was not possible. He could tell Arjuna the Bhagavad Gita( in

the middle of the battle field) the first time as he was yoga-yukta at that

time. Only in the  yoga-yukta

state one can delve into the spiritiual secrets and the mysteries of the

Nature. What I was meaning is that Einstein had concentrated and did the

required mentation and was absorbed in that process to unearth the secrets of

nature. He might not have gone to the ultimate state of samadhi in the sense

that the yoga texts say. With your over-critical bent of mind you miss the bus.

You did not get what I wanted to say. There are several definitions of Yoga Lord

Krishna gave in the Bhagavad Gita itself. Let us not go into that now.

 

As regards Brahmacharya nobody can say that the sciientists are not

Brahmacharis. I am sure you know the definition of Brahmachari as given by Manu.

A married man can become Brahmachari during the time of his scientific research

even if he is not a life-long Brahmachari. Formal initiation is not guarantee

for observing Brahmacharya though it helps to become a formal Brahmachari. A

true brahmachari is Alinga ie. without mark and one cannot recognise outwardly.

You know what the Shastras say that he who says that he knows Brahman does not

know Brahman and only who says that he does not know Brahman only can know

Brahman. So also one who says that he is a brahmachari is not a brahmachari at

all as a true brahmachari never says he is brahmachari. A true brahmachari

controls his mind and the rest follows. If you call a brahmachari a thief he

will smile but if you call a thief a thief he will jump on you. Lord Buddha

smiled when a woman accused him of

outraging her modesty . He did not get angry with her and on the contrary he

felt pity for her at seeing what made her tell the lie. He was a true

Brahmachari.. The guru recognises whether the prospective disciple is a

brahmachari or not and then treats him accordingly. There is no need for others

to to be told that one is a brahmachari, unless some peculiar situation occurs

when the Brahmachari has to tell people about his vows. Such a situation can

arise if he has vowed to take one meal a day and if someone presses him to take

food another time during the day.  In such a case he has to tell the person

about his brahmachari vow.   I have seen so many Brahmacharis with full of

egoity that they are not brahmachari at all in the true sense of the word. To be

a brahmachari one has to control the mind and get rid of Lobha (for wealth, fame

and sensuous enjoyment), Krodha and Moha first.

 

As regards the material world and the definition of matter you must have read

the verse from the Vishnu Dharmaottara Purana, which prompts one to worship in

the saakaara and you know the Prakriti (Ashtadaya Prakriti) manifests in the

form of Vikriti. Of course Lord Krishna says that if one becomes Samadarshi then

one can see Brahman in everything and in every being and there is no need to

worhip in any physical form. One  will then become a Sthiraprajna. Now don't

tell me that the correct word should be  Shthitaprajna. I am using the word

" Shthiraprajna " from the original Bhagavad Gita of 745 verses though in the

common Bhagavad Gita of 700 verses the word used is " Shthitaprajna " .

 

I do not want you to discuss any esoteric topic here if that makes you

uncomfortable. Also mind that a good scholar is not necessarily a good teacher.

God willing once my present preoccupations are over in a couple of years I am

going to concentrate on the Suryasiddhanta and shall try to demystify it,

whatever mystery is there in it. I believe that in the Aquartian age a or call

it the end of the Kali yuga, a lot of ancient secrets are bound to be revealed.

I assure you that I shall be a strict brahmachari, according to the definition

of Manu, if I am not already.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 11/2/09, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

VJha <vinayjhaa16

[vedic astrology] Re: Ancient and Modern Knowledge

vedic astrology

Monday, November 2, 2009, 5:03 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sunil Da,

 

 

 

The vision of rishis were challenged by Asuras even in Treta and Dvapar

 

yugas, leave aside Kaliyuga. If you find their vision unchallengeable,

 

it is due to your faith in truth.

 

 

 

Vision is not always correct. There is an ocean of difference between

 

samadhi and vision, even if the visionary is a genius like Einstein.

 

Samadhi is that state which is beyond what existentialists call

 

border-line situations. When Unconscious Mind does not exist, when

 

individual mind becomes one with the Cosmic, when there is no difference

 

between the knower and the object to be known, when the subject is one

 

with everything, then the person in samadhi is omniscient but lacks the

 

selfish desire to gain knowledge of Other, because there is no Other.

 

This balanced or " sama " state of samadhi is quite different from the

 

vision of a genius. The latter is in-tuition from God or Collective

 

Consciousness who lies beneath the socalled Collective Unconsciousness.

 

Jung used a wrong term. Benzene Ring was given to Kekule by this

 

Collective Consciousness, and such superb things cannot be given by any

 

unconscious agency. Collective Consciousness appeared unconscious to

 

Jung because we are generally unconscious towards its existence. It

 

(God) exists in every living being. Dhaaranaa, Dhaaya and Samaadhi are

 

higher statges of each other, and are quite different from untrained

 

visions of a genius, although the source of knowledge is same for both

 

types of receivers of knowledge : yogi receives in-tuition from the

 

Tutoe in full consciousness, which non-yogic geniuses receive knowledge

 

unconsciously. There are astrological yogas is geniuses by means of

 

which we can recognize their extraordinary talents, but yogic talents

 

attained through tapasyaa cannot be predicted astrologically : tapasyaa

 

can change the effects of horoscopes.

 

 

 

The definition of physical " matter " is subservient to sense perception.

 

If there is no perceiver of matter, there will be no definition of

 

" matter " and it will be impossible to decide whether matter exists or

 

not. Hence, matter has no independent existence, it is mere Maya. It is

 

kalpanaa or Kalpa of the Creator, but for the lesser mortals it is hard

 

reality because they cannot cognize any harder reality by means of their

 

faculties of perception. But there are many worlds closed to sense

 

organs and there are many modes in which deities can exist in each

 

world. Pratimaa is not deity in Vedic religion (YV : na tasya pratimaa

 

asti, ch-32, mantra-40). Pratimaa is not worshipped, the deity

 

symbolized by that pratimaa is worshipped.

 

 

 

Siddhanta Jyotisha is not taught to non-brahmachaaris. Whether

 

Suryasiddhanta is right or wrong is another matter, whether it is

 

understood by its socalled experts is another. Please find me a single

 

" expert: on earth who is capable of elucidating the siddhantic formula

 

of graha-spashtikarana according to earliest extant siddhantic tables

 

(Makaranda). These " experts " will eventually call the siddhantic grapes

 

as sour. Leave aside AKK & c, I am talking of professors of Jyotisha in

 

Sanskrit universities. You know I had challenged them and defeated in a

 

high court.

 

 

 

Siddhantic astronomy cannot be discussed publicly. It is a difficult and

 

obscure subject. Its proofs are its ASTROLOGICAL results, which are

 

100% accurate. Direct existence of siddhantic grahas cannot be

 

empirically proven, only their astrological effects can be proven. Those

 

who refuse to test the real proofs are like those who want to " see "

 

magnetism directly instead of its proofs.

 

 

 

-VJ

 

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vedic astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya

 

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Vinay,

 

>

 

> I fully agree that the ancient rishis went to samadhi and they had

 

vision of the truth and those truths cannot be challenged. But don't you

 

think that when Einstein found the relation between Mass and Energy he

 

too went to some kind of samadhi and had the vision. Other scientists

 

could physically verify the consequences of his findings during an

 

eclipse. The scientists too get divine inspiration. All the scientific

 

discoveries are too the results of such vision. Being in scientific

 

research I realised that quite sometime ago. All the discoveries are

 

from such inspirations to start with and the scientists only confirm

 

that by physical experimentations and never fail. However if someone

 

gets hallucination and wants to call that as inspiration in samadhi

 

there could be trouble.The material world is Vikriti ie. the

 

manifestations coming from the eight Prakritis. The eight prakritis are

 

mentioned by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita and a student of

 

> Sankhya knows that. The physical world is also to be seen in the

 

spiritual light. That is why the Upaasana to a physical Pratima of a

 

deity is still considered effective, though Lord Krishna said " Pratima

 

alpabuddhinam " .

 

>

 

> There is a story that you may be knowing already. Hanuman freed Shani

 

Maharaj from Ravana and Shani was grateful to Hanuman. When Hanuman's

 

Shani-dasha started then Shani asked hanuman as to where he (Hanuman )

 

will like to see Shani attaching to him (Hanuman). Hanuman allowed Shani

 

to stay on top of his (Hanuman's) head. Hanuman's devotees saw a black

 

thing on Hanuman's head and attacked that with stones. When it was

 

realised that the black thing was none other than Shani Maharaj then

 

from that time the custom started that one should put oil on Hanuman's

 

head to please Shani. What I mean to say that grahas are with us even

 

though they may rule the physical planets and their actual non-physical

 

location cannot be measured by distance. If someone gives some figure of

 

physicat distances for the non-physical grahas then there is great

 

confusion. That is why I insist that let us consider only the physical

 

distances of the grahas as the grahas cannot be

 

> located non-physically. Hope you will find this logic appealing.

 

>

 

> I maintain you have a lot to tell us on the Suryasiddhanta but

 

consider the fact that the Suryasiddhanta, I believe, wants us to update

 

its figures from time to time and that is why Varahamihira updated the

 

values in his time and later on other Hindu astronomers too correceted

 

these figures during their times. So we may not be having the figures of

 

the original Suryasiddhanta any more as they might have become

 

redundant. Probably you can tell us more about it.

 

>

 

> Best wishes.

 

>

 

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote:

 

>

 

> VJha vinayjhaa16@ ...

 

> [vedic astrology] Ancient and Modern Knowledge

 

> vedic astrology

 

> Saturday, October 31, 2009, 3:21 AM

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> To All,

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Vedas and its limbs (Vedaangas) are quite different from empirical

 

>

 

> sciences in content as well as in methodology and approach. The latter

 

>

 

> (empirical sciences) develop on the basis of accumulation of observed

 

>

 

> data, newer analyses of those data and ensuing theories which explain

 

>

 

> those data in a better way than older theories.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> But Veda and its limbs comprise 'Sacred Knowledge' revealed to the

 

>

 

> enlightened sages by supernatural powers. The fundamental distinction

 

>

 

> between Vedic and Empirical sciences can be summed up thus : empirical

 

>

 

> sciences are subservient to external facts, while Vedic knowledge is

 

>

 

> completely internal and is attained by means of samadhi and not

 

>

 

> observation of external phenomena. Things-for-us are things as

 

perceived

 

>

 

> by sensory organs. But sense organs cannot go beneath the surface of

 

>

 

> phenomena. It is the sixth sense which penetrates into

 

>

 

> Things-in-themselve s and reveals the Noumena to the possessor of

 

sixth

 

>

 

> sense. Sixth sense is not a mysterious thing. It is the natural state

 

of

 

>

 

> mind. When the mind is purged of worldly desires and sense organs are

 

>

 

> retracted from their subjects which are objects-of-the- world, the

 

mind

 

>

 

> rises to its pristine and primordial glory and capability and does not

 

>

 

> require the assistance of sense organs to perceive both the surface as

 

>

 

> well as the hidden aspects of reality of things and events. It becomes

 

>

 

> telepathic and clairvoyant, capable of knowing past, present anf

 

future

 

>

 

> of all worlds, making a person a real Daivajna (Jyotishi). Some people

 

>

 

> possess miraculous capabilities by dint of some piety of past lives,

 

but

 

>

 

> they do not know how to channelize these capabilities into proper

 

>

 

> spiritual direction due to spurious milieu of Kaliyuga. But a really

 

>

 

> enlightened soul is different from an exordinary person possessing

 

only

 

>

 

> one or two bizarre qualities. Really pure souls are Chosen Lambs or

 

>

 

> children of God-the-Father Dyaus-Pitr. Such pure souls received Vedic

 

>

 

> knowledge for the benefit of rest of mankind.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> The more we go into past, the more coherence and comprehensiveness we

 

>

 

> find in Vedic knowledge. It is foolish to hope that Vedic knowledge

 

may

 

>

 

> be improved by filthy persons of Kaliyuga who do not even know the

 

>

 

> meaning of mantras but pose as experts. Mr David frawley has

 

>

 

> recentlywritten in an article defending Vedic Jyotisha (Oct 13,2009,

 

on

 

>

 

> Bhaktivedanta site) that one Vedic mantra says Speech has four levels,

 

>

 

> but only one is used by and revealed to normal humans. The rest are

 

>

 

> divine, which are used by gods and rishis.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Vedic Jyotisha is a part and parcel of Veda. It can be only damaged by

 

>

 

> innovators. Innovators are looking for inventions owing to two reasons

 

:

 

>

 

> lust for fame, and incapabilikty to predict correctly which makes them

 

>

 

> think that the knowledge thet possess is faulty and needs further

 

>

 

> development. Arrogance of modern evolutionists makes them blind to the

 

>

 

> greatness of ancient wisdom. Great material progress has been made by

 

>

 

> modern man. But ancient rishis did not fail in material progress, they

 

>

 

> refused material progress because they knew materialism destroys

 

>

 

> spiritualism.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> The dilemma of modern innovators in the field of Vedic Jyotisha is

 

that

 

>

 

> they want both worlds at the same time. Such a state of mind has been

 

>

 

> defined as " Vikshipta " by Vyaasa Ji in his commentary on Patanjali's

 

>

 

> Yoga-sutra.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> In comparison to India, no country in the world has suffered so much

 

>

 

> loss of ancient schools, temples, libraries and manuscripts due to

 

>

 

> invasions by barbarians, but no other country has succeeded in

 

>

 

> preserving a greater amount of ancient texts in spite of huge losses.

 

>

 

> There are sufficient hints and explanations in myriads of texts. No

 

>

 

> important aspect of Vedic Jyotisha has been permanently lost. For

 

>

 

> instance, my software of stock forecasting is based on ancient Yaamala

 

>

 

> Tantras which very few persons know contain great astrological

 

>

 

> materials. No Hindu marriage is complete without Panch-shalaakaa

 

Chakra,

 

>

 

> which is taken from same Tantric sources. Same is the case with many

 

>

 

> other well known devices such as Sapta-shalaaka Chakra, Sapta-naadi

 

>

 

> Chakra, Sarvatobhadra Chakra, Shatapada, etc. These Tantric devices

 

are

 

>

 

> crucial to Vedic Jyotisha. Karna used Sarvatobhadra Chakra in

 

>

 

> Mahabharata.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> This is only one example. There are many other occult things which we

 

>

 

> have forcibly made occult due to our lack of faith in spiritual wisdom

 

>

 

> of our ancestors and our full faith in the materialistic sciences of

 

>

 

> mlechchhas which they developed with the help of loot and piracy

 

during

 

>

 

> past five centuries.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Many scholars have quoted the 720 spokes of Dirghatamas' s Kaalachakra

 

>

 

> moving round the fixed navel (RV-I,164). But few know that this rcha

 

>

 

> describes the most important formula of Vedic Jyotisha which is used

 

to

 

>

 

> predict all important events of the world. The fixed navel is Mt Meru,

 

>

 

> and 720 spokes are 360 days and 360 nights : these are solar days and

 

>

 

> nights according to the traditional definition of " solar " still used

 

by

 

>

 

> panchanga makers. In traditional panchangas, one solar day+night means

 

>

 

> one degree of True Sun's movement. Thus, solar day begins with Sun's

 

>

 

> entry into a new integral degree (eg, 32 or 33 degrees of longitude of

 

>

 

> True Sun), and solar night is Sun's entry into half degree, eg 32.5 or

 

>

 

> 33.5 degree. Kundalis made at these junctures are effective for half

 

>

 

> degree of Sun's motion. Kundalis made from Mt Meru predict the events

 

of

 

>

 

> whole world, while kundalis made from navels of Seven occult Dvipas

 

>

 

> predict the fate of those dvipas.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> This knowledge is sacred and should not be made public in its

 

entirety,

 

>

 

> because strengths and weaknesses of nations, companies and individuals

 

>

 

> must not be predicted by terrorists and rascals.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> By remaining hidden, it can never be destroyed, because its reservoir

 

is

 

>

 

> infinite : God. A Dvija performing sandhya and doing his/her duties

 

>

 

> according to shaastras will receive whatever branch of Vedic Knowledge

 

>

 

> he/she needs : the initial manta of Sandhya-vandana, taken from Rg

 

Veda

 

>

 

> ( X-191) says that Rta (ethical order) and Satya (all that is

 

eternally

 

>

 

> indestructible and is always in " sattaa " , ie Self-knowledge and

 

>

 

> Brahma-jnaana) are generated by means of Tapa. Tapa must be first

 

>

 

> stepping stone of a Vedic Astrologer. The arrogance of becoming an

 

>

 

> inventor of knowledge should be replaced with the humility of a true

 

>

 

> Christian, a true Brahmin, a true Sufi.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> -Vinay Jha

 

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