Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 To All, Vedas and its limbs (Vedaangas) are quite different from empirical sciences in content as well as in methodology and approach. The latter (empirical sciences) develop on the basis of accumulation of observed data, newer analyses of those data and ensuing theories which explain those data in a better way than older theories. But Veda and its limbs comprise 'Sacred Knowledge' revealed to the enlightened sages by supernatural powers. The fundamental distinction between Vedic and Empirical sciences can be summed up thus : empirical sciences are subservient to external facts, while Vedic knowledge is completely internal and is attained by means of samadhi and not observation of external phenomena. Things-for-us are things as perceived by sensory organs. But sense organs cannot go beneath the surface of phenomena. It is the sixth sense which penetrates into Things-in-themselves and reveals the Noumena to the possessor of sixth sense. Sixth sense is not a mysterious thing. It is the natural state of mind. When the mind is purged of worldly desires and sense organs are retracted from their subjects which are objects-of-the-world, the mind rises to its pristine and primordial glory and capability and does not require the assistance of sense organs to perceive both the surface as well as the hidden aspects of reality of things and events. It becomes telepathic and clairvoyant, capable of knowing past, present anf future of all worlds, making a person a real Daivajna (Jyotishi). Some people possess miraculous capabilities by dint of some piety of past lives, but they do not know how to channelize these capabilities into proper spiritual direction due to spurious milieu of Kaliyuga. But a really enlightened soul is different from an exordinary person possessing only one or two bizarre qualities. Really pure souls are Chosen Lambs or children of God-the-Father Dyaus-Pitr. Such pure souls received Vedic knowledge for the benefit of rest of mankind. The more we go into past, the more coherence and comprehensiveness we find in Vedic knowledge. It is foolish to hope that Vedic knowledge may be improved by filthy persons of Kaliyuga who do not even know the meaning of mantras but pose as experts. Mr David frawley has recentlywritten in an article defending Vedic Jyotisha (Oct 13,2009, on Bhaktivedanta site) that one Vedic mantra says Speech has four levels, but only one is used by and revealed to normal humans. The rest are divine, which are used by gods and rishis. Vedic Jyotisha is a part and parcel of Veda. It can be only damaged by innovators. Innovators are looking for inventions owing to two reasons : lust for fame, and incapabilikty to predict correctly which makes them think that the knowledge thet possess is faulty and needs further development. Arrogance of modern evolutionists makes them blind to the greatness of ancient wisdom. Great material progress has been made by modern man. But ancient rishis did not fail in material progress, they refused material progress because they knew materialism destroys spiritualism. The dilemma of modern innovators in the field of Vedic Jyotisha is that they want both worlds at the same time. Such a state of mind has been defined as " Vikshipta " by Vyaasa Ji in his commentary on Patanjali's Yoga-sutra. In comparison to India, no country in the world has suffered so much loss of ancient schools, temples, libraries and manuscripts due to invasions by barbarians, but no other country has succeeded in preserving a greater amount of ancient texts in spite of huge losses. There are sufficient hints and explanations in myriads of texts. No important aspect of Vedic Jyotisha has been permanently lost. For instance, my software of stock forecasting is based on ancient Yaamala Tantras which very few persons know contain great astrological materials. No Hindu marriage is complete without Panch-shalaakaa Chakra, which is taken from same Tantric sources. Same is the case with many other well known devices such as Sapta-shalaaka Chakra, Sapta-naadi Chakra, Sarvatobhadra Chakra, Shatapada, etc. These Tantric devices are crucial to Vedic Jyotisha. Karna used Sarvatobhadra Chakra in Mahabharata. This is only one example. There are many other occult things which we have forcibly made occult due to our lack of faith in spiritual wisdom of our ancestors and our full faith in the materialistic sciences of mlechchhas which they developed with the help of loot and piracy during past five centuries. Many scholars have quoted the 720 spokes of Dirghatamas's Kaalachakra moving round the fixed navel (RV-I,164). But few know that this rcha describes the most important formula of Vedic Jyotisha which is used to predict all important events of the world. The fixed navel is Mt Meru, and 720 spokes are 360 days and 360 nights : these are solar days and nights according to the traditional definition of " solar " still used by panchanga makers. In traditional panchangas, one solar day+night means one degree of True Sun's movement. Thus, solar day begins with Sun's entry into a new integral degree (eg, 32 or 33 degrees of longitude of True Sun), and solar night is Sun's entry into half degree, eg 32.5 or 33.5 degree. Kundalis made at these junctures are effective for half degree of Sun's motion. Kundalis made from Mt Meru predict the events of whole world, while kundalis made from navels of Seven occult Dvipas predict the fate of those dvipas. This knowledge is sacred and should not be made public in its entirety, because strengths and weaknesses of nations, companies and individuals must not be predicted by terrorists and rascals. By remaining hidden, it can never be destroyed, because its reservoir is infinite : God. A Dvija performing sandhya and doing his/her duties according to shaastras will receive whatever branch of Vedic Knowledge he/she needs : the initial manta of Sandhya-vandana, taken from Rg Veda ( X-191) says that Rta (ethical order) and Satya (all that is eternally indestructible and is always in " sattaa " , ie Self-knowledge and Brahma-jnaana) are generated by means of Tapa. Tapa must be first stepping stone of a Vedic Astrologer. The arrogance of becoming an inventor of knowledge should be replaced with the humility of a true Christian, a true Brahmin, a true Sufi. -Vinay Jha ================= === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Dear Vinay, I fully agree that the ancient rishis went to samadhi and they had vision of the truth and those truths cannot be challenged. But don't you think that when Einstein found the relation between Mass and Energy he too went to some kind of samadhi and had the vision. Other scientists could physically verify the consequences of his findings during an eclipse. The scientists too get divine inspiration. All the scientific discoveries are too the results of such vision. Being in scientific research I realised that quite sometime ago. All the discoveries are from such inspirations to start with and the scientists only confirm that by physical experimentations and never fail. However if someone gets hallucination and wants to call that as inspiration in samadhi there could be trouble.The material world is Vikriti ie. the manifestations coming from the eight Prakritis. The eight prakritis are mentioned by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita and a student of Sankhya knows that. The physical world is also to be seen in the spiritual light. That is why the Upaasana to a physical Pratima of a deity is still considered effective, though Lord Krishna said " Pratima alpabuddhinam " . There is a story that you may be knowing already. Hanuman freed Shani Maharaj from Ravana and Shani was grateful to Hanuman. When Hanuman's Shani-dasha started then Shani asked hanuman as to where he (Hanuman ) will like to see Shani attaching to him (Hanuman). Hanuman allowed Shani to stay on top of his (Hanuman's) head. Hanuman's devotees saw a black thing on Hanuman's head and attacked that with stones. When it was realised that the black thing was none other than Shani Maharaj then from that time the custom started that one should put oil on Hanuman's head to please Shani. What I mean to say that grahas are with us even though they may rule the physical planets and their actual non-physical location cannot be measured by distance. If someone gives some figure of physicat distances for the non-physical grahas then there is great confusion. That is why I insist that let us consider only the physical distances of the grahas as the grahas cannot be located non-physically. Hope you will find this logic appealing. I maintain you have a lot to tell us on the Suryasiddhanta but consider the fact that the Suryasiddhanta, I believe, wants us to update its figures from time to time and that is why Varahamihira updated the values in his time and later on other Hindu astronomers too correceted these figures during their times. So we may not be having the figures of the original Suryasiddhanta any more as they might have become redundant. Probably you can tell us more about it. Best wishes. Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sat, 10/31/09, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: VJha <vinayjhaa16 [vedic astrology] Ancient and Modern Knowledge vedic astrology Saturday, October 31, 2009, 3:21 AM To All, Vedas and its limbs (Vedaangas) are quite different from empirical sciences in content as well as in methodology and approach. The latter (empirical sciences) develop on the basis of accumulation of observed data, newer analyses of those data and ensuing theories which explain those data in a better way than older theories. But Veda and its limbs comprise 'Sacred Knowledge' revealed to the enlightened sages by supernatural powers. The fundamental distinction between Vedic and Empirical sciences can be summed up thus : empirical sciences are subservient to external facts, while Vedic knowledge is completely internal and is attained by means of samadhi and not observation of external phenomena. Things-for-us are things as perceived by sensory organs. But sense organs cannot go beneath the surface of phenomena. It is the sixth sense which penetrates into Things-in-themselve s and reveals the Noumena to the possessor of sixth sense. Sixth sense is not a mysterious thing. It is the natural state of mind. When the mind is purged of worldly desires and sense organs are retracted from their subjects which are objects-of-the- world, the mind rises to its pristine and primordial glory and capability and does not require the assistance of sense organs to perceive both the surface as well as the hidden aspects of reality of things and events. It becomes telepathic and clairvoyant, capable of knowing past, present anf future of all worlds, making a person a real Daivajna (Jyotishi). Some people possess miraculous capabilities by dint of some piety of past lives, but they do not know how to channelize these capabilities into proper spiritual direction due to spurious milieu of Kaliyuga. But a really enlightened soul is different from an exordinary person possessing only one or two bizarre qualities. Really pure souls are Chosen Lambs or children of God-the-Father Dyaus-Pitr. Such pure souls received Vedic knowledge for the benefit of rest of mankind. The more we go into past, the more coherence and comprehensiveness we find in Vedic knowledge. It is foolish to hope that Vedic knowledge may be improved by filthy persons of Kaliyuga who do not even know the meaning of mantras but pose as experts. Mr David frawley has recentlywritten in an article defending Vedic Jyotisha (Oct 13,2009, on Bhaktivedanta site) that one Vedic mantra says Speech has four levels, but only one is used by and revealed to normal humans. The rest are divine, which are used by gods and rishis. Vedic Jyotisha is a part and parcel of Veda. It can be only damaged by innovators. Innovators are looking for inventions owing to two reasons : lust for fame, and incapabilikty to predict correctly which makes them think that the knowledge thet possess is faulty and needs further development. Arrogance of modern evolutionists makes them blind to the greatness of ancient wisdom. Great material progress has been made by modern man. But ancient rishis did not fail in material progress, they refused material progress because they knew materialism destroys spiritualism. The dilemma of modern innovators in the field of Vedic Jyotisha is that they want both worlds at the same time. Such a state of mind has been defined as " Vikshipta " by Vyaasa Ji in his commentary on Patanjali's Yoga-sutra. In comparison to India, no country in the world has suffered so much loss of ancient schools, temples, libraries and manuscripts due to invasions by barbarians, but no other country has succeeded in preserving a greater amount of ancient texts in spite of huge losses. There are sufficient hints and explanations in myriads of texts. No important aspect of Vedic Jyotisha has been permanently lost. For instance, my software of stock forecasting is based on ancient Yaamala Tantras which very few persons know contain great astrological materials. No Hindu marriage is complete without Panch-shalaakaa Chakra, which is taken from same Tantric sources. Same is the case with many other well known devices such as Sapta-shalaaka Chakra, Sapta-naadi Chakra, Sarvatobhadra Chakra, Shatapada, etc. These Tantric devices are crucial to Vedic Jyotisha. Karna used Sarvatobhadra Chakra in Mahabharata. This is only one example. There are many other occult things which we have forcibly made occult due to our lack of faith in spiritual wisdom of our ancestors and our full faith in the materialistic sciences of mlechchhas which they developed with the help of loot and piracy during past five centuries. Many scholars have quoted the 720 spokes of Dirghatamas' s Kaalachakra moving round the fixed navel (RV-I,164). But few know that this rcha describes the most important formula of Vedic Jyotisha which is used to predict all important events of the world. The fixed navel is Mt Meru, and 720 spokes are 360 days and 360 nights : these are solar days and nights according to the traditional definition of " solar " still used by panchanga makers. In traditional panchangas, one solar day+night means one degree of True Sun's movement. Thus, solar day begins with Sun's entry into a new integral degree (eg, 32 or 33 degrees of longitude of True Sun), and solar night is Sun's entry into half degree, eg 32.5 or 33.5 degree. Kundalis made at these junctures are effective for half degree of Sun's motion. Kundalis made from Mt Meru predict the events of whole world, while kundalis made from navels of Seven occult Dvipas predict the fate of those dvipas. This knowledge is sacred and should not be made public in its entirety, because strengths and weaknesses of nations, companies and individuals must not be predicted by terrorists and rascals. By remaining hidden, it can never be destroyed, because its reservoir is infinite : God. A Dvija performing sandhya and doing his/her duties according to shaastras will receive whatever branch of Vedic Knowledge he/she needs : the initial manta of Sandhya-vandana, taken from Rg Veda ( X-191) says that Rta (ethical order) and Satya (all that is eternally indestructible and is always in " sattaa " , ie Self-knowledge and Brahma-jnaana) are generated by means of Tapa. Tapa must be first stepping stone of a Vedic Astrologer. The arrogance of becoming an inventor of knowledge should be replaced with the humility of a true Christian, a true Brahmin, a true Sufi. -Vinay Jha ============ ===== === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Sunil Da, The vision of rishis were challenged by Asuras even in Treta and Dvapar yugas, leave aside Kaliyuga. If you find their vision unchallengeable, it is due to your faith in truth. Vision is not always correct. There is an ocean of difference between samadhi and vision, even if the visionary is a genius like Einstein. Samadhi is that state which is beyond what existentialists call border-line situations. When Unconscious Mind does not exist, when individual mind becomes one with the Cosmic, when there is no difference between the knower and the object to be known, when the subject is one with everything, then the person in samadhi is omniscient but lacks the selfish desire to gain knowledge of Other, because there is no Other. This balanced or " sama " state of samadhi is quite different from the vision of a genius. The latter is in-tuition from God or Collective Consciousness who lies beneath the socalled Collective Unconsciousness. Jung used a wrong term. Benzene Ring was given to Kekule by this Collective Consciousness, and such superb things cannot be given by any unconscious agency. Collective Consciousness appeared unconscious to Jung because we are generally unconscious towards its existence. It (God) exists in every living being. Dhaaranaa, Dhaaya and Samaadhi are higher statges of each other, and are quite different from untrained visions of a genius, although the source of knowledge is same for both types of receivers of knowledge : yogi receives in-tuition from the Tutoe in full consciousness, which non-yogic geniuses receive knowledge unconsciously. There are astrological yogas is geniuses by means of which we can recognize their extraordinary talents, but yogic talents attained through tapasyaa cannot be predicted astrologically : tapasyaa can change the effects of horoscopes. The definition of physical " matter " is subservient to sense perception. If there is no perceiver of matter, there will be no definition of " matter " and it will be impossible to decide whether matter exists or not. Hence, matter has no independent existence, it is mere Maya. It is kalpanaa or Kalpa of the Creator, but for the lesser mortals it is hard reality because they cannot cognize any harder reality by means of their faculties of perception. But there are many worlds closed to sense organs and there are many modes in which deities can exist in each world. Pratimaa is not deity in Vedic religion (YV : na tasya pratimaa asti, ch-32, mantra-40). Pratimaa is not worshipped, the deity symbolized by that pratimaa is worshipped. Siddhanta Jyotisha is not taught to non-brahmachaaris. Whether Suryasiddhanta is right or wrong is another matter, whether it is understood by its socalled experts is another. Please find me a single " expert: on earth who is capable of elucidating the siddhantic formula of graha-spashtikarana according to earliest extant siddhantic tables (Makaranda). These " experts " will eventually call the siddhantic grapes as sour. Leave aside AKK & c, I am talking of professors of Jyotisha in Sanskrit universities. You know I had challenged them and defeated in a high court. Siddhantic astronomy cannot be discussed publicly. It is a difficult and obscure subject. Its proofs are its ASTROLOGICAL results, which are 100% accurate. Direct existence of siddhantic grahas cannot be empirically proven, only their astrological effects can be proven. Those who refuse to test the real proofs are like those who want to " see " magnetism directly instead of its proofs. -VJ ================== === vedic astrology , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear Vinay, > > I fully agree that the ancient rishis went to samadhi and they had vision of the truth and those truths cannot be challenged. But don't you think that when Einstein found the relation between Mass and Energy he too went to some kind of samadhi and had the vision. Other scientists could physically verify the consequences of his findings during an eclipse. The scientists too get divine inspiration. All the scientific discoveries are too the results of such vision. Being in scientific research I realised that quite sometime ago. All the discoveries are from such inspirations to start with and the scientists only confirm that by physical experimentations and never fail. However if someone gets hallucination and wants to call that as inspiration in samadhi there could be trouble.The material world is Vikriti ie. the manifestations coming from the eight Prakritis. The eight prakritis are mentioned by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita and a student of > Sankhya knows that. The physical world is also to be seen in the spiritual light. That is why the Upaasana to a physical Pratima of a deity is still considered effective, though Lord Krishna said " Pratima alpabuddhinam " . > > There is a story that you may be knowing already. Hanuman freed Shani Maharaj from Ravana and Shani was grateful to Hanuman. When Hanuman's Shani-dasha started then Shani asked hanuman as to where he (Hanuman ) will like to see Shani attaching to him (Hanuman). Hanuman allowed Shani to stay on top of his (Hanuman's) head. Hanuman's devotees saw a black thing on Hanuman's head and attacked that with stones. When it was realised that the black thing was none other than Shani Maharaj then from that time the custom started that one should put oil on Hanuman's head to please Shani. What I mean to say that grahas are with us even though they may rule the physical planets and their actual non-physical location cannot be measured by distance. If someone gives some figure of physicat distances for the non-physical grahas then there is great confusion. That is why I insist that let us consider only the physical distances of the grahas as the grahas cannot be > located non-physically. Hope you will find this logic appealing. > > I maintain you have a lot to tell us on the Suryasiddhanta but consider the fact that the Suryasiddhanta, I believe, wants us to update its figures from time to time and that is why Varahamihira updated the values in his time and later on other Hindu astronomers too correceted these figures during their times. So we may not be having the figures of the original Suryasiddhanta any more as they might have become redundant. Probably you can tell us more about it. > > Best wishes. > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/31/09, VJha vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > VJha vinayjhaa16 > [vedic astrology] Ancient and Modern Knowledge > vedic astrology > Saturday, October 31, 2009, 3:21 AM > > > > > > To All, > > > > Vedas and its limbs (Vedaangas) are quite different from empirical > > sciences in content as well as in methodology and approach. The latter > > (empirical sciences) develop on the basis of accumulation of observed > > data, newer analyses of those data and ensuing theories which explain > > those data in a better way than older theories. > > > > But Veda and its limbs comprise 'Sacred Knowledge' revealed to the > > enlightened sages by supernatural powers. The fundamental distinction > > between Vedic and Empirical sciences can be summed up thus : empirical > > sciences are subservient to external facts, while Vedic knowledge is > > completely internal and is attained by means of samadhi and not > > observation of external phenomena. Things-for-us are things as perceived > > by sensory organs. But sense organs cannot go beneath the surface of > > phenomena. It is the sixth sense which penetrates into > > Things-in-themselve s and reveals the Noumena to the possessor of sixth > > sense. Sixth sense is not a mysterious thing. It is the natural state of > > mind. When the mind is purged of worldly desires and sense organs are > > retracted from their subjects which are objects-of-the- world, the mind > > rises to its pristine and primordial glory and capability and does not > > require the assistance of sense organs to perceive both the surface as > > well as the hidden aspects of reality of things and events. It becomes > > telepathic and clairvoyant, capable of knowing past, present anf future > > of all worlds, making a person a real Daivajna (Jyotishi). Some people > > possess miraculous capabilities by dint of some piety of past lives, but > > they do not know how to channelize these capabilities into proper > > spiritual direction due to spurious milieu of Kaliyuga. But a really > > enlightened soul is different from an exordinary person possessing only > > one or two bizarre qualities. Really pure souls are Chosen Lambs or > > children of God-the-Father Dyaus-Pitr. Such pure souls received Vedic > > knowledge for the benefit of rest of mankind. > > > > The more we go into past, the more coherence and comprehensiveness we > > find in Vedic knowledge. It is foolish to hope that Vedic knowledge may > > be improved by filthy persons of Kaliyuga who do not even know the > > meaning of mantras but pose as experts. Mr David frawley has > > recentlywritten in an article defending Vedic Jyotisha (Oct 13,2009, on > > Bhaktivedanta site) that one Vedic mantra says Speech has four levels, > > but only one is used by and revealed to normal humans. The rest are > > divine, which are used by gods and rishis. > > > > Vedic Jyotisha is a part and parcel of Veda. It can be only damaged by > > innovators. Innovators are looking for inventions owing to two reasons : > > lust for fame, and incapabilikty to predict correctly which makes them > > think that the knowledge thet possess is faulty and needs further > > development. Arrogance of modern evolutionists makes them blind to the > > greatness of ancient wisdom. Great material progress has been made by > > modern man. But ancient rishis did not fail in material progress, they > > refused material progress because they knew materialism destroys > > spiritualism. > > > > The dilemma of modern innovators in the field of Vedic Jyotisha is that > > they want both worlds at the same time. Such a state of mind has been > > defined as " Vikshipta " by Vyaasa Ji in his commentary on Patanjali's > > Yoga-sutra. > > > > In comparison to India, no country in the world has suffered so much > > loss of ancient schools, temples, libraries and manuscripts due to > > invasions by barbarians, but no other country has succeeded in > > preserving a greater amount of ancient texts in spite of huge losses. > > There are sufficient hints and explanations in myriads of texts. No > > important aspect of Vedic Jyotisha has been permanently lost. For > > instance, my software of stock forecasting is based on ancient Yaamala > > Tantras which very few persons know contain great astrological > > materials. No Hindu marriage is complete without Panch-shalaakaa Chakra, > > which is taken from same Tantric sources. Same is the case with many > > other well known devices such as Sapta-shalaaka Chakra, Sapta-naadi > > Chakra, Sarvatobhadra Chakra, Shatapada, etc. These Tantric devices are > > crucial to Vedic Jyotisha. Karna used Sarvatobhadra Chakra in > > Mahabharata. > > > > This is only one example. There are many other occult things which we > > have forcibly made occult due to our lack of faith in spiritual wisdom > > of our ancestors and our full faith in the materialistic sciences of > > mlechchhas which they developed with the help of loot and piracy during > > past five centuries. > > > > Many scholars have quoted the 720 spokes of Dirghatamas' s Kaalachakra > > moving round the fixed navel (RV-I,164). But few know that this rcha > > describes the most important formula of Vedic Jyotisha which is used to > > predict all important events of the world. The fixed navel is Mt Meru, > > and 720 spokes are 360 days and 360 nights : these are solar days and > > nights according to the traditional definition of " solar " still used by > > panchanga makers. In traditional panchangas, one solar day+night means > > one degree of True Sun's movement. Thus, solar day begins with Sun's > > entry into a new integral degree (eg, 32 or 33 degrees of longitude of > > True Sun), and solar night is Sun's entry into half degree, eg 32.5 or > > 33.5 degree. Kundalis made at these junctures are effective for half > > degree of Sun's motion. Kundalis made from Mt Meru predict the events of > > whole world, while kundalis made from navels of Seven occult Dvipas > > predict the fate of those dvipas. > > > > This knowledge is sacred and should not be made public in its entirety, > > because strengths and weaknesses of nations, companies and individuals > > must not be predicted by terrorists and rascals. > > > > By remaining hidden, it can never be destroyed, because its reservoir is > > infinite : God. A Dvija performing sandhya and doing his/her duties > > according to shaastras will receive whatever branch of Vedic Knowledge > > he/she needs : the initial manta of Sandhya-vandana, taken from Rg Veda > > ( X-191) says that Rta (ethical order) and Satya (all that is eternally > > indestructible and is always in " sattaa " , ie Self-knowledge and > > Brahma-jnaana) are generated by means of Tapa. Tapa must be first > > stepping stone of a Vedic Astrologer. The arrogance of becoming an > > inventor of knowledge should be replaced with the humility of a true > > Christian, a true Brahmin, a true Sufi. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ===== === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Dear Vinay, You are unnecessarily trying to become argumentatative. if you think that the Samadhi is not the right word to express the inspiration that the scientists get then tell me what according to you is the right word. That is the constructive approach. You jumped to the conclusion that I do not know what Samadhi is and proceeded to give me jnana. I know that samadhi is the last stage of the Ashtanga yoga, where the dhyahi gets totally absorbed in the dhyana itself and it is the culmination of the process of dhyana. Again do not jump to correct me .. Words are never hundred percent adequate to explain any term in short. I do not know whether you have read or not in the Mahabharata that when Arjuna requested Lord Krishna to tell him the Bhagavad Gita once more then Lord Krsihna told him that it was not possible. He could tell Arjuna the Bhagavad Gita( in the middle of the battle field) the first time as he was yoga-yukta at that time. Only in the yoga-yukta state one can delve into the spiritiual secrets and the mysteries of the Nature. What I was meaning is that Einstein had concentrated and did the required mentation and was absorbed in that process to unearth the secrets of nature. He might not have gone to the ultimate state of samadhi in the sense that the yoga texts say. With your over-critical bent of mind you miss the bus. You did not get what I wanted to say. There are several definitions of Yoga Lord Krishna gave in the Bhagavad Gita itself. Let us not go into that now. As regards Brahmacharya nobody can say that the sciientists are not Brahmacharis. I am sure you know the definition of Brahmachari as given by Manu. A married man can become Brahmachari during the time of his scientific research even if he is not a life-long Brahmachari. Formal initiation is not guarantee for observing Brahmacharya though it helps to become a formal Brahmachari. A true brahmachari is Alinga ie. without mark and one cannot recognise outwardly. You know what the Shastras say that he who says that he knows Brahman does not know Brahman and only who says that he does not know Brahman only can know Brahman. So also one who says that he is a brahmachari is not a brahmachari at all as a true brahmachari never says he is brahmachari. A true brahmachari controls his mind and the rest follows. If you call a brahmachari a thief he will smile but if you call a thief a thief he will jump on you. Lord Buddha smiled when a woman accused him of outraging her modesty . He did not get angry with her and on the contrary he felt pity for her at seeing what made her tell the lie. He was a true Brahmachari.. The guru recognises whether the prospective disciple is a brahmachari or not and then treats him accordingly. There is no need for others to to be told that one is a brahmachari, unless some peculiar situation occurs when the Brahmachari has to tell people about his vows. Such a situation can arise if he has vowed to take one meal a day and if someone presses him to take food another time during the day. In such a case he has to tell the person about his brahmachari vow. I have seen so many Brahmacharis with full of egoity that they are not brahmachari at all in the true sense of the word. To be a brahmachari one has to control the mind and get rid of Lobha (for wealth, fame and sensuous enjoyment), Krodha and Moha first. As regards the material world and the definition of matter you must have read the verse from the Vishnu Dharmaottara Purana, which prompts one to worship in the saakaara and you know the Prakriti (Ashtadaya Prakriti) manifests in the form of Vikriti. Of course Lord Krishna says that if one becomes Samadarshi then one can see Brahman in everything and in every being and there is no need to worhip in any physical form. One will then become a Sthiraprajna. Now don't tell me that the correct word should be Shthitaprajna. I am using the word " Shthiraprajna " from the original Bhagavad Gita of 745 verses though in the common Bhagavad Gita of 700 verses the word used is " Shthitaprajna " . I do not want you to discuss any esoteric topic here if that makes you uncomfortable. Also mind that a good scholar is not necessarily a good teacher. God willing once my present preoccupations are over in a couple of years I am going to concentrate on the Suryasiddhanta and shall try to demystify it, whatever mystery is there in it. I believe that in the Aquartian age a or call it the end of the Kali yuga, a lot of ancient secrets are bound to be revealed. I assure you that I shall be a strict brahmachari, according to the definition of Manu, if I am not already. Best wishes, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Mon, 11/2/09, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: VJha <vinayjhaa16 [vedic astrology] Re: Ancient and Modern Knowledge vedic astrology Monday, November 2, 2009, 5:03 AM Sunil Da, The vision of rishis were challenged by Asuras even in Treta and Dvapar yugas, leave aside Kaliyuga. If you find their vision unchallengeable, it is due to your faith in truth. Vision is not always correct. There is an ocean of difference between samadhi and vision, even if the visionary is a genius like Einstein. Samadhi is that state which is beyond what existentialists call border-line situations. When Unconscious Mind does not exist, when individual mind becomes one with the Cosmic, when there is no difference between the knower and the object to be known, when the subject is one with everything, then the person in samadhi is omniscient but lacks the selfish desire to gain knowledge of Other, because there is no Other. This balanced or " sama " state of samadhi is quite different from the vision of a genius. The latter is in-tuition from God or Collective Consciousness who lies beneath the socalled Collective Unconsciousness. Jung used a wrong term. Benzene Ring was given to Kekule by this Collective Consciousness, and such superb things cannot be given by any unconscious agency. Collective Consciousness appeared unconscious to Jung because we are generally unconscious towards its existence. It (God) exists in every living being. Dhaaranaa, Dhaaya and Samaadhi are higher statges of each other, and are quite different from untrained visions of a genius, although the source of knowledge is same for both types of receivers of knowledge : yogi receives in-tuition from the Tutoe in full consciousness, which non-yogic geniuses receive knowledge unconsciously. There are astrological yogas is geniuses by means of which we can recognize their extraordinary talents, but yogic talents attained through tapasyaa cannot be predicted astrologically : tapasyaa can change the effects of horoscopes. The definition of physical " matter " is subservient to sense perception. If there is no perceiver of matter, there will be no definition of " matter " and it will be impossible to decide whether matter exists or not. Hence, matter has no independent existence, it is mere Maya. It is kalpanaa or Kalpa of the Creator, but for the lesser mortals it is hard reality because they cannot cognize any harder reality by means of their faculties of perception. But there are many worlds closed to sense organs and there are many modes in which deities can exist in each world. Pratimaa is not deity in Vedic religion (YV : na tasya pratimaa asti, ch-32, mantra-40). Pratimaa is not worshipped, the deity symbolized by that pratimaa is worshipped. Siddhanta Jyotisha is not taught to non-brahmachaaris. Whether Suryasiddhanta is right or wrong is another matter, whether it is understood by its socalled experts is another. Please find me a single " expert: on earth who is capable of elucidating the siddhantic formula of graha-spashtikarana according to earliest extant siddhantic tables (Makaranda). These " experts " will eventually call the siddhantic grapes as sour. Leave aside AKK & c, I am talking of professors of Jyotisha in Sanskrit universities. You know I had challenged them and defeated in a high court. Siddhantic astronomy cannot be discussed publicly. It is a difficult and obscure subject. Its proofs are its ASTROLOGICAL results, which are 100% accurate. Direct existence of siddhantic grahas cannot be empirically proven, only their astrological effects can be proven. Those who refuse to test the real proofs are like those who want to " see " magnetism directly instead of its proofs. -VJ ============ ====== === vedic astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear Vinay, > > I fully agree that the ancient rishis went to samadhi and they had vision of the truth and those truths cannot be challenged. But don't you think that when Einstein found the relation between Mass and Energy he too went to some kind of samadhi and had the vision. Other scientists could physically verify the consequences of his findings during an eclipse. The scientists too get divine inspiration. All the scientific discoveries are too the results of such vision. Being in scientific research I realised that quite sometime ago. All the discoveries are from such inspirations to start with and the scientists only confirm that by physical experimentations and never fail. However if someone gets hallucination and wants to call that as inspiration in samadhi there could be trouble.The material world is Vikriti ie. the manifestations coming from the eight Prakritis. The eight prakritis are mentioned by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita and a student of > Sankhya knows that. The physical world is also to be seen in the spiritual light. That is why the Upaasana to a physical Pratima of a deity is still considered effective, though Lord Krishna said " Pratima alpabuddhinam " . > > There is a story that you may be knowing already. Hanuman freed Shani Maharaj from Ravana and Shani was grateful to Hanuman. When Hanuman's Shani-dasha started then Shani asked hanuman as to where he (Hanuman ) will like to see Shani attaching to him (Hanuman). Hanuman allowed Shani to stay on top of his (Hanuman's) head. Hanuman's devotees saw a black thing on Hanuman's head and attacked that with stones. When it was realised that the black thing was none other than Shani Maharaj then from that time the custom started that one should put oil on Hanuman's head to please Shani. What I mean to say that grahas are with us even though they may rule the physical planets and their actual non-physical location cannot be measured by distance. If someone gives some figure of physicat distances for the non-physical grahas then there is great confusion. That is why I insist that let us consider only the physical distances of the grahas as the grahas cannot be > located non-physically. Hope you will find this logic appealing. > > I maintain you have a lot to tell us on the Suryasiddhanta but consider the fact that the Suryasiddhanta, I believe, wants us to update its figures from time to time and that is why Varahamihira updated the values in his time and later on other Hindu astronomers too correceted these figures during their times. So we may not be having the figures of the original Suryasiddhanta any more as they might have become redundant. Probably you can tell us more about it. > > Best wishes. > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/31/09, VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote: > > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > [vedic astrology] Ancient and Modern Knowledge > vedic astrology > Saturday, October 31, 2009, 3:21 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > Vedas and its limbs (Vedaangas) are quite different from empirical > > sciences in content as well as in methodology and approach. The latter > > (empirical sciences) develop on the basis of accumulation of observed > > data, newer analyses of those data and ensuing theories which explain > > those data in a better way than older theories. > > > > But Veda and its limbs comprise 'Sacred Knowledge' revealed to the > > enlightened sages by supernatural powers. The fundamental distinction > > between Vedic and Empirical sciences can be summed up thus : empirical > > sciences are subservient to external facts, while Vedic knowledge is > > completely internal and is attained by means of samadhi and not > > observation of external phenomena. Things-for-us are things as perceived > > by sensory organs. But sense organs cannot go beneath the surface of > > phenomena. It is the sixth sense which penetrates into > > Things-in-themselve s and reveals the Noumena to the possessor of sixth > > sense. Sixth sense is not a mysterious thing. It is the natural state of > > mind. When the mind is purged of worldly desires and sense organs are > > retracted from their subjects which are objects-of-the- world, the mind > > rises to its pristine and primordial glory and capability and does not > > require the assistance of sense organs to perceive both the surface as > > well as the hidden aspects of reality of things and events. It becomes > > telepathic and clairvoyant, capable of knowing past, present anf future > > of all worlds, making a person a real Daivajna (Jyotishi). Some people > > possess miraculous capabilities by dint of some piety of past lives, but > > they do not know how to channelize these capabilities into proper > > spiritual direction due to spurious milieu of Kaliyuga. But a really > > enlightened soul is different from an exordinary person possessing only > > one or two bizarre qualities. Really pure souls are Chosen Lambs or > > children of God-the-Father Dyaus-Pitr. Such pure souls received Vedic > > knowledge for the benefit of rest of mankind. > > > > The more we go into past, the more coherence and comprehensiveness we > > find in Vedic knowledge. It is foolish to hope that Vedic knowledge may > > be improved by filthy persons of Kaliyuga who do not even know the > > meaning of mantras but pose as experts. Mr David frawley has > > recentlywritten in an article defending Vedic Jyotisha (Oct 13,2009, on > > Bhaktivedanta site) that one Vedic mantra says Speech has four levels, > > but only one is used by and revealed to normal humans. The rest are > > divine, which are used by gods and rishis. > > > > Vedic Jyotisha is a part and parcel of Veda. It can be only damaged by > > innovators. Innovators are looking for inventions owing to two reasons : > > lust for fame, and incapabilikty to predict correctly which makes them > > think that the knowledge thet possess is faulty and needs further > > development. Arrogance of modern evolutionists makes them blind to the > > greatness of ancient wisdom. Great material progress has been made by > > modern man. But ancient rishis did not fail in material progress, they > > refused material progress because they knew materialism destroys > > spiritualism. > > > > The dilemma of modern innovators in the field of Vedic Jyotisha is that > > they want both worlds at the same time. Such a state of mind has been > > defined as " Vikshipta " by Vyaasa Ji in his commentary on Patanjali's > > Yoga-sutra. > > > > In comparison to India, no country in the world has suffered so much > > loss of ancient schools, temples, libraries and manuscripts due to > > invasions by barbarians, but no other country has succeeded in > > preserving a greater amount of ancient texts in spite of huge losses. > > There are sufficient hints and explanations in myriads of texts. No > > important aspect of Vedic Jyotisha has been permanently lost. For > > instance, my software of stock forecasting is based on ancient Yaamala > > Tantras which very few persons know contain great astrological > > materials. No Hindu marriage is complete without Panch-shalaakaa Chakra, > > which is taken from same Tantric sources. Same is the case with many > > other well known devices such as Sapta-shalaaka Chakra, Sapta-naadi > > Chakra, Sarvatobhadra Chakra, Shatapada, etc. These Tantric devices are > > crucial to Vedic Jyotisha. Karna used Sarvatobhadra Chakra in > > Mahabharata. > > > > This is only one example. There are many other occult things which we > > have forcibly made occult due to our lack of faith in spiritual wisdom > > of our ancestors and our full faith in the materialistic sciences of > > mlechchhas which they developed with the help of loot and piracy during > > past five centuries. > > > > Many scholars have quoted the 720 spokes of Dirghatamas' s Kaalachakra > > moving round the fixed navel (RV-I,164). But few know that this rcha > > describes the most important formula of Vedic Jyotisha which is used to > > predict all important events of the world. The fixed navel is Mt Meru, > > and 720 spokes are 360 days and 360 nights : these are solar days and > > nights according to the traditional definition of " solar " still used by > > panchanga makers. In traditional panchangas, one solar day+night means > > one degree of True Sun's movement. Thus, solar day begins with Sun's > > entry into a new integral degree (eg, 32 or 33 degrees of longitude of > > True Sun), and solar night is Sun's entry into half degree, eg 32.5 or > > 33.5 degree. Kundalis made at these junctures are effective for half > > degree of Sun's motion. Kundalis made from Mt Meru predict the events of > > whole world, while kundalis made from navels of Seven occult Dvipas > > predict the fate of those dvipas. > > > > This knowledge is sacred and should not be made public in its entirety, > > because strengths and weaknesses of nations, companies and individuals > > must not be predicted by terrorists and rascals. > > > > By remaining hidden, it can never be destroyed, because its reservoir is > > infinite : God. A Dvija performing sandhya and doing his/her duties > > according to shaastras will receive whatever branch of Vedic Knowledge > > he/she needs : the initial manta of Sandhya-vandana, taken from Rg Veda > > ( X-191) says that Rta (ethical order) and Satya (all that is eternally > > indestructible and is always in " sattaa " , ie Self-knowledge and > > Brahma-jnaana) are generated by means of Tapa. Tapa must be first > > stepping stone of a Vedic Astrologer. The arrogance of becoming an > > inventor of knowledge should be replaced with the humility of a true > > Christian, a true Brahmin, a true Sufi. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ ===== === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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