exaltation of planets

January 20, 2010

Raj ji,

Please count me out of those whose mission is to teach Astrology! I am but an

ant amongst elephants and I am neither waxing poetical nor modest. You have done

a few analyses and certainly do not need my 2 cents to understand your horoscope

or rather the 2 houses that were revealed :-)

Perhaps there may be some truth in your statement (neecha uchcha) and this is

actually believed by many jyotishis in MP and UP where I had the occasion to

converse with them a few decades earlier. Definitely not something that many

others do not believe in as an astrological adage. Obviously, a single factor

may not be make or break like is true for anything else in jyotish.

Interesting analogies could be:

Uchchaa = Prince Charles (when will he become the King? :-)

Neecha = Babu Jagjivan Ram or any other rags to riches story, I suppose!

Just to clarify, I am using these as analogie and not astrological examples. If

you have some examples please do share. Off hand can only think of Picasso and

Michael Jordan both with multiple neecha planets, but again -- with the usual

caveat regarding celebrity birthdata...!!

RR

vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini Ji and Vinay Ji,

> I am really enjoying it and learning a lot as well. What I have experienced

that when planets are in the Neecha awastha,most of the time it is very

encouraging, as they have 7th aspect on their Uccha sign ! I do not know why I

intutively treat the position of Neecha planets as a good;and very interesting

position in charts, rather than when they are Ucchha and have 7th aspect on

their Neecha sign. I have practically found it so after analysing many charts.

>

> At least I feel I am having good times and enjoying, since Jupiter was Neech

and then Mars became Neech. I have Mars in my Scorpio lagna and Jup in Sag. And

am really getting lot of learning and quite a bit of interesting charts analysis

too. Why it is so ? With my best wishes.

>

> Raj Bhardwaj

>

> vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Vinay_ji,

> >

> > That is the beauty of being born as a human being! One is privileged to

witness the dance and music of planets through one's life as they go from neecha

to uccha, direct to retrograde and all other AWASTHAS in between!

> >

> > Think about this for a moment, Sir: The planets DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE! They

are under the control of very RIGID LAWS: Gravitation, Bode's rule and a bunch

of other Physics type things that you and other scientists here know a lot

better than me, I am sure! If the planets revolt and try to break the " LAW "

there will be CHAOS and the UNIVERSE will be destroyed intantaneously! Won't you

agree?

> >

> > But the Human being has so many choices and paths to follow! Sure there will

be karmic repercussions and so on, but I think we human beings are way more free

than the planets themselves are!

> >

> > Let us count our blessings and make the best use of our lives and minds and

hearts and soul :-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohini Da,

> > >

> > > I have no desire of becoming a Da.

> > >

> > > In Sep 2009, four planets were in neecha : Jup, Ven, Sun, Mars. But I got

a fine reception in Delhi among top politicians and bureaucrats of India (I had

gone there to promote the cause of Sanskrit education). Just one month later,

nearly one hundred persons of a particulat caste were mobilized by some

drunkards to wage an unsuccessful ABUSIVE Andolan against me for capturing the

premises of Sanskrit college controlled by me. At that time, three planets were

in neecha and all planets in Trika houses (vipareeta rajayoga was also working).

Gochara was much less effective than my own birthchart, Vimshottari and

Varshaphala-maasaphala.

> > >

> > > Today, the muhurta is fine and I am starting to write a detailed

commentary on Suryasiddhanta, esp on its two initial chapters on mean and true

planets which have been non-mathematically dealt by all previous native

commentators, and falsely treated by foreign commentators I possess the

necessary material). I have begged Goddess Sarasvati to enable me to accomplish

this task which was deliberately neglected by all those native experts who

deemed it unfit to explain this " rahasyam " .

> > >

> > > Today, some friends in Mumbai and Varanasi have agreed than translation of

Sayana's commentary of Vedas into Hindi and English should be started. We are

looking for some translator.

> > >

> > > I want a detailed commentary on BPHS, but I have too many tasks at

present.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============================ ====

> > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Vinayji,

> > > >

> > > > Haha! I will begin to call you Vinay_Da in that case :-)

> > > >

> > > > I have a feeling that neecha mars boiling and stuck in the neecha rashi

will probably bring on a few such tirades before the rainy season starts!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > >

> > > > > " I have experienced abusive and gutter-language very recently which

earlier were directed at Two brilliant Jyotishis, way more accomplished than

what I can ever dream of being (names withheld!). This makes me feel as if I

have finally entered the Jyotish Hall of Fame "

> > > > >

> > > > > This yardstick puts me, perhaps, much ahead you, although you are

senior in other respects.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ===================== ===

> > > > > vedic astrology , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohini

> > > > > > I have been seeing some of this and ... guess you are right.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohinicrystal

> > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:57 AM

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: exaltation of planets

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sanjay,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anything you have ever written, would neither get a yawn from me

ever, nor would it be taken 'personally' because I admire and respect you, even

if I may not agree all the time with you or what your write :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as cursing goes, that is again something I would not

associate with you! I have experienced abusive and gutter-language very recently

which earlier were directed at Two brilliant Jyotishis, way more accomplished

than what I can ever dream of being (names withheld!). This makes me feel as if

I have finally entered the Jyotish Hall of Fame ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sama, enough? :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranjan

> > > > > >

January 21, 2010

To Rohini Ji and Raj Ji,

D9 must be evaluated ALWAYS together with D1, besides the relavant

divisional, before reaching at any conclusion. My experience is that for

individuals, gochara is less influential than birthchart's Vimshottari

and varsha+maasa phalas. Neecha planets are sometimes very harmful, but

most of the times they are powerless to do any good or bad thing.

Sometimes, such as in vipareeta rajayoga, they are very benign but not

as benign as normal rajayoga. But in issues affective the collective,

gochara is relatively more influential, and when whole nations are

accounted for, gochara is all powerful although subservient to transit

charts (ie, charts at the juncture of solar transits into raashis or

nakshatras, the latter being more effective).

<<<That is the beauty of being born as a human being! One is privileged

to witness the dance and music of planets through one's life>>>

Rohini Da, this music of planets has taught me to learn and attain the

samatva-buddhi-yoga preached by Lord Krishna. Since the ups and downs

are caused by planets, why should I be carried away by these motions ?

It is true planets are behaving according to predefined laws. But

ASTROLOGICAL planets are not unfree. They can be propitiated, which

means the predefined rules can be changed, sometimes drastically if the

propitiation is thorough. I have not only witnessed propitiation, but I

have sometimes carried out propitiation. Hence, I know astrological

planets are not physical unconscious dead things. I cannot use a term

like " unfree " for them ; they are deities and are different from

physical planets perceived by sense organs. Phenomena like gravitation

have no place in astrology, because shadow planets like nodes have no

gravitational attributes and Mercury is gravitationally millions of

times weaker than the Sun. But their astrological effects are not in

that ratio.

But I do not want to waste your time over this sterile issue. Here I am

citing a passage from my email to Mr Sourav Mukherjee :

<<<

We need to de-educate ourselves by means of Praanaayaama before we can

understand the real Vedic Knowledge. The likes of Max Muuler could never

understand a single Vedic mantra due to their wrong education. For

instance, look at the first mantra of Rgveda, which says " Agnim ile

purohitam, yajnas Devam, Rtvijam, Hotaram, Ratna-dhaatamam " = " I

praise the Agni Who is Deva of the Yajna and is also Rtvijam, Hotaram,

Ratna-dhaatamam " .

How can the physical fire coming out of a pit containing some firewood

and ghee be a Deva & c ?? Isn't it a superstition of savages?? The moment

such a " secular " thought comes to our minds, this mantra becomes a dead

assemblage of useless words, incapable of fulfilling its real objective

in yajna. Secularism is an euphemism for the sinful mind which cannot

tolerate piety. Without purging the mind of all secular education, it is

useless to study the Vedas. This secular world is not Reality, it is

merely sensory, and its only purpose is fulfillment of Karma-phalas of

living organisms. Any sense of attachment with this world is ignorance.

Our duties in this world must be performed without any worldliness,

without any desire. It is not escapism. Escapism is escaping from the

Reality of one's actual existence into the world of senses...

>>>

-VJ

================ ===

vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949

wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini Ji and Vinay Ji,

> I am really enjoying it and learning a lot as well. What I have

experienced that when planets are in the Neecha awastha,most of the time

it is very encouraging, as they have 7th aspect on their Uccha sign ! I

do not know why I intutively treat the position of Neecha planets as a

good;and very interesting position in charts, rather than when they are

Ucchha and have 7th aspect on their Neecha sign. I have practically

found it so after analysing many charts.

>

> At least I feel I am having good times and enjoying, since Jupiter was

Neech and then Mars became Neech. I have Mars in my Scorpio lagna and

Jup in Sag. And am really getting lot of learning and quite a bit of

interesting charts analysis too. Why it is so ? With my best wishes.

>

> Raj Bhardwaj

>

> vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@

wrote:

> >

> > Vinay_ji,

> >

> > That is the beauty of being born as a human being! One is privileged

to witness the dance and music of planets through one's life as they go

from neecha to uccha, direct to retrograde and all other AWASTHAS in

between!

> >

> > Think about this for a moment, Sir: The planets DO NOT HAVE A

CHOICE! They are under the control of very RIGID LAWS: Gravitation,

Bode's rule and a bunch of other Physics type things that you and other

scientists here know a lot better than me, I am sure! If the planets

revolt and try to break the " LAW " there will be CHAOS and the UNIVERSE

will be destroyed intantaneously! Won't you agree?

> >

> > But the Human being has so many choices and paths to follow! Sure

there will be karmic repercussions and so on, but I think we human

beings are way more free than the planets themselves are!

> >

> > Let us count our blessings and make the best use of our lives and

minds and hearts and soul :-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohini Da,

> > >

> > > I have no desire of becoming a Da.

> > >

> > > In Sep 2009, four planets were in neecha : Jup, Ven, Sun, Mars.

But I got a fine reception in Delhi among top politicians and

bureaucrats of India (I had gone there to promote the cause of Sanskrit

education). Just one month later, nearly one hundred persons of a

particulat caste were mobilized by some drunkards to wage an

unsuccessful ABUSIVE Andolan against me for capturing the premises of

Sanskrit college controlled by me. At that time, three planets were in

neecha and all planets in Trika houses (vipareeta rajayoga was also

working). Gochara was much less effective than my own birthchart,

Vimshottari and Varshaphala-maasaphala.

> > >

> > > Today, the muhurta is fine and I am starting to write a detailed

commentary on Suryasiddhanta, esp on its two initial chapters on mean

and true planets which have been non-mathematically dealt by all

previous native commentators, and falsely treated by foreign

commentators I possess the necessary material). I have begged Goddess

Sarasvati to enable me to accomplish this task which was deliberately

neglected by all those native experts who deemed it unfit to explain

this " rahasyam " .

> > >

> > > Today, some friends in Mumbai and Varanasi have agreed than

translation of Sayana's commentary of Vedas into Hindi and English

should be started. We are looking for some translator.

> > >

> > > I want a detailed commentary on BPHS, but I have too many tasks at

present.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============================ ====

> > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Vinayji,

> > > >

> > > > Haha! I will begin to call you Vinay_Da in that case :-)

> > > >

> > > > I have a feeling that neecha mars boiling and stuck in the

neecha rashi will probably bring on a few such tirades before the rainy

season starts!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > >

> > > > > " I have experienced abusive and gutter-language very recently

which earlier were directed at Two brilliant Jyotishis, way more

accomplished than what I can ever dream of being (names withheld!). This

makes me feel as if I have finally entered the Jyotish Hall of Fame "

> > > > >

> > > > > This yardstick puts me, perhaps, much ahead you, although you

are senior in other respects.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ===================== ===

> > > > > vedic astrology , " Sanjay Rath "

<sjrath@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohini

> > > > > > I have been seeing some of this and ... guess you are right.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohinicrystal

> > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:57 AM

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: exaltation of planets

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sanjay,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anything you have ever written, would neither get a yawn

from me ever, nor would it be taken 'personally' because I admire and

respect you, even if I may not agree all the time with you or what your

write :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as cursing goes, that is again something I would not

associate with you! I have experienced abusive and gutter-language very

recently which earlier were directed at Two brilliant Jyotishis, way

more accomplished than what I can ever dream of being (names withheld!).

This makes me feel as if I have finally entered the Jyotish Hall of Fame

;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sama, enough? :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranjan

> > > > > >

January 21, 2010

Rohini Ji is an experienced astrologer and knows debility of a neecha planet

cannot be reduced to any simplistic hard and fast rule. As I earlier said, a

neecha planets exerts all sorts of good and bad influences and therefore only a

case-to-case comprehensive evaluation should be used to make some statement.

-VJ

======================= ===

vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Raj ji,

>

> Please count me out of those whose mission is to teach Astrology! I am but an

ant amongst elephants and I am neither waxing poetical nor modest. You have done

a few analyses and certainly do not need my 2 cents to understand your horoscope

or rather the 2 houses that were revealed :-)

>

> Perhaps there may be some truth in your statement (neecha uchcha) and this is

actually believed by many jyotishis in MP and UP where I had the occasion to

converse with them a few decades earlier. Definitely not something that many

others do not believe in as an astrological adage. Obviously, a single factor

may not be make or break like is true for anything else in jyotish.

>

> Interesting analogies could be:

>

> Uchchaa = Prince Charles (when will he become the King? :-)

> Neecha = Babu Jagjivan Ram or any other rags to riches story, I suppose!

>

> Just to clarify, I am using these as analogie and not astrological examples.

If you have some examples please do share. Off hand can only think of Picasso

and Michael Jordan both with multiple neecha planets, but again -- with the

usual caveat regarding celebrity birthdata...!!

>

> RR

>

> vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini Ji and Vinay Ji,

> > I am really enjoying it and learning a lot as well. What I have experienced

that when planets are in the Neecha awastha,most of the time it is very

encouraging, as they have 7th aspect on their Uccha sign ! I do not know why I

intutively treat the position of Neecha planets as a good;and very interesting

position in charts, rather than when they are Ucchha and have 7th aspect on

their Neecha sign. I have practically found it so after analysing many charts.

> >

> > At least I feel I am having good times and enjoying, since Jupiter was Neech

and then Mars became Neech. I have Mars in my Scorpio lagna and Jup in Sag. And

am really getting lot of learning and quite a bit of interesting charts analysis

too. Why it is so ? With my best wishes.

> >

> > Raj Bhardwaj

> >

> > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Vinay_ji,

> > >

> > > That is the beauty of being born as a human being! One is privileged to

witness the dance and music of planets through one's life as they go from neecha

to uccha, direct to retrograde and all other AWASTHAS in between!

> > >

> > > Think about this for a moment, Sir: The planets DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE! They

are under the control of very RIGID LAWS: Gravitation, Bode's rule and a bunch

of other Physics type things that you and other scientists here know a lot

better than me, I am sure! If the planets revolt and try to break the " LAW "

there will be CHAOS and the UNIVERSE will be destroyed intantaneously! Won't you

agree?

> > >

> > > But the Human being has so many choices and paths to follow! Sure there

will be karmic repercussions and so on, but I think we human beings are way more

free than the planets themselves are!

> > >

> > > Let us count our blessings and make the best use of our lives and minds

and hearts and soul :-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Rohini Da,

> > > >

> > > > I have no desire of becoming a Da.

> > > >

> > > > In Sep 2009, four planets were in neecha : Jup, Ven, Sun, Mars. But I

got a fine reception in Delhi among top politicians and bureaucrats of India (I

had gone there to promote the cause of Sanskrit education). Just one month

later, nearly one hundred persons of a particulat caste were mobilized by some

drunkards to wage an unsuccessful ABUSIVE Andolan against me for capturing the

premises of Sanskrit college controlled by me. At that time, three planets were

in neecha and all planets in Trika houses (vipareeta rajayoga was also working).

Gochara was much less effective than my own birthchart, Vimshottari and

Varshaphala-maasaphala.

> > > >

> > > > Today, the muhurta is fine and I am starting to write a detailed

commentary on Suryasiddhanta, esp on its two initial chapters on mean and true

planets which have been non-mathematically dealt by all previous native

commentators, and falsely treated by foreign commentators I possess the

necessary material). I have begged Goddess Sarasvati to enable me to accomplish

this task which was deliberately neglected by all those native experts who

deemed it unfit to explain this " rahasyam " .

> > > >

> > > > Today, some friends in Mumbai and Varanasi have agreed than translation

of Sayana's commentary of Vedas into Hindi and English should be started. We are

looking for some translator.

> > > >

> > > > I want a detailed commentary on BPHS, but I have too many tasks at

present.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============================ ====

> > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Vinayji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Haha! I will begin to call you Vinay_Da in that case :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a feeling that neecha mars boiling and stuck in the neecha

rashi will probably bring on a few such tirades before the rainy season starts!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " I have experienced abusive and gutter-language very recently which

earlier were directed at Two brilliant Jyotishis, way more accomplished than

what I can ever dream of being (names withheld!). This makes me feel as if I

have finally entered the Jyotish Hall of Fame "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This yardstick puts me, perhaps, much ahead you, although you are

senior in other respects.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > ===================== ===

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rohini

> > > > > > > I have been seeing some of this and ... guess you are right.

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rohinicrystal

> > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:57 AM

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: exaltation of planets

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sanjay,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anything you have ever written, would neither get a yawn from me

ever, nor would it be taken 'personally' because I admire and respect you, even

if I may not agree all the time with you or what your write :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as cursing goes, that is again something I would not

associate with you! I have experienced abusive and gutter-language very recently

which earlier were directed at Two brilliant Jyotishis, way more accomplished

than what I can ever dream of being (names withheld!). This makes me feel as if

I have finally entered the Jyotish Hall of Fame ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sama, enough? :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ranjan

> > > > > > >

January 21, 2010

Vinay Da,

You are so kind, but in all fairness, I would hardly call myself experienced --

what is a few decades, after all? Now a few Shastris whom I met long ago told me

in confidence that they had been jyotishis for many janmas and remembered all

that they learned through all those janmas!

WOW! Now that is what I call experience :-)

Rohiniranjan

vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Rohini Ji is an experienced astrologer and knows debility of a neecha planet

cannot be reduced to any simplistic hard and fast rule. As I earlier said, a

neecha planets exerts all sorts of good and bad influences and therefore only a

case-to-case comprehensive evaluation should be used to make some statement.

>

> -VJ

> ======================= ===

> vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Raj ji,

> >

> > Please count me out of those whose mission is to teach Astrology! I am but

an ant amongst elephants and I am neither waxing poetical nor modest. You have

done a few analyses and certainly do not need my 2 cents to understand your

horoscope or rather the 2 houses that were revealed :-)

> >

> > Perhaps there may be some truth in your statement (neecha uchcha) and this

is actually believed by many jyotishis in MP and UP where I had the occasion to

converse with them a few decades earlier. Definitely not something that many

others do not believe in as an astrological adage. Obviously, a single factor

may not be make or break like is true for anything else in jyotish.

> >

> > Interesting analogies could be:

> >

> > Uchchaa = Prince Charles (when will he become the King? :-)

> > Neecha = Babu Jagjivan Ram or any other rags to riches story, I suppose!

> >

> > Just to clarify, I am using these as analogie and not astrological examples.

If you have some examples please do share. Off hand can only think of Picasso

and Michael Jordan both with multiple neecha planets, but again -- with the

usual caveat regarding celebrity birthdata...!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini Ji and Vinay Ji,

> > > I am really enjoying it and learning a lot as well. What I have

experienced that when planets are in the Neecha awastha,most of the time it is

very encouraging, as they have 7th aspect on their Uccha sign ! I do not know

why I intutively treat the position of Neecha planets as a good;and very

interesting position in charts, rather than when they are Ucchha and have 7th

aspect on their Neecha sign. I have practically found it so after analysing many

charts.

> > >

> > > At least I feel I am having good times and enjoying, since Jupiter was

Neech and then Mars became Neech. I have Mars in my Scorpio lagna and Jup in

Sag. And am really getting lot of learning and quite a bit of interesting charts

analysis too. Why it is so ? With my best wishes.

> > >

> > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Vinay_ji,

> > > >

> > > > That is the beauty of being born as a human being! One is privileged to

witness the dance and music of planets through one's life as they go from neecha

to uccha, direct to retrograde and all other AWASTHAS in between!

> > > >

> > > > Think about this for a moment, Sir: The planets DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE!

They are under the control of very RIGID LAWS: Gravitation, Bode's rule and a

bunch of other Physics type things that you and other scientists here know a lot

better than me, I am sure! If the planets revolt and try to break the " LAW "

there will be CHAOS and the UNIVERSE will be destroyed intantaneously! Won't you

agree?

> > > >

> > > > But the Human being has so many choices and paths to follow! Sure there

will be karmic repercussions and so on, but I think we human beings are way more

free than the planets themselves are!

> > > >

> > > > Let us count our blessings and make the best use of our lives and minds

and hearts and soul :-)

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have no desire of becoming a Da.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Sep 2009, four planets were in neecha : Jup, Ven, Sun, Mars. But I

got a fine reception in Delhi among top politicians and bureaucrats of India (I

had gone there to promote the cause of Sanskrit education). Just one month

later, nearly one hundred persons of a particulat caste were mobilized by some

drunkards to wage an unsuccessful ABUSIVE Andolan against me for capturing the

premises of Sanskrit college controlled by me. At that time, three planets were

in neecha and all planets in Trika houses (vipareeta rajayoga was also working).

Gochara was much less effective than my own birthchart, Vimshottari and

Varshaphala-maasaphala.

> > > > >

> > > > > Today, the muhurta is fine and I am starting to write a detailed

commentary on Suryasiddhanta, esp on its two initial chapters on mean and true

planets which have been non-mathematically dealt by all previous native

commentators, and falsely treated by foreign commentators I possess the

necessary material). I have begged Goddess Sarasvati to enable me to accomplish

this task which was deliberately neglected by all those native experts who

deemed it unfit to explain this " rahasyam " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Today, some friends in Mumbai and Varanasi have agreed than

translation of Sayana's commentary of Vedas into Hindi and English should be

started. We are looking for some translator.

> > > > >

> > > > > I want a detailed commentary on BPHS, but I have too many tasks at

present.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ============================ ====

> > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vinayji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Haha! I will begin to call you Vinay_Da in that case :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a feeling that neecha mars boiling and stuck in the neecha

rashi will probably bring on a few such tirades before the rainy season starts!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " I have experienced abusive and gutter-language very recently

which earlier were directed at Two brilliant Jyotishis, way more accomplished

than what I can ever dream of being (names withheld!). This makes me feel as if

I have finally entered the Jyotish Hall of Fame "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This yardstick puts me, perhaps, much ahead you, although you are

senior in other respects.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > ===================== ===

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rohini

> > > > > > > > I have been seeing some of this and ... guess you are right.

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rohinicrystal

> > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:57 AM

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: exaltation of planets

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Anything you have ever written, would neither get a yawn from me

ever, nor would it be taken 'personally' because I admire and respect you, even

if I may not agree all the time with you or what your write :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as cursing goes, that is again something I would not

associate with you! I have experienced abusive and gutter-language very recently

which earlier were directed at Two brilliant Jyotishis, way more accomplished

than what I can ever dream of being (names withheld!). This makes me feel as if

I have finally entered the Jyotish Hall of Fame ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sama, enough? :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ranjan

> > > > > > > >

January 21, 2010

Rohini Dada,

I am not a Da, hence I am doubling the Da for you to highlight the difference.

What you call ex+perience is in my view im+perience (the prefix " in- " becomes

" im- " due to following " p " ). Because the knowledge of many lives has no

ex+ternal proof and is merely an in+ternal event.

Extelligent persons believing in the reality of maayic external world, however,

cannot see these internal phenomena.

Maharshi Veda Vyaasa Ji says in his Vyaasa-bhaashya of Patanjali's Yoga-sutra

that lack of smriti is a consequence of sins. Hence, if a person remembers the

Jyotisha knowledge learnt during past lives, that persons must have destroyed

most of his/her sins and must be on the verge of moksha. But to remain merely at

the verge for many lives and not enter into moksha is foolishness. What about

the veracity of a person who remembers Jyotisha learnt during many past lives,

but failed to attain moksha in spite of so much clairvoyancy and smriti ??

-VJ

vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Vinay Da,

>

> You are so kind, but in all fairness, I would hardly call myself experienced

-- what is a few decades, after all? Now a few Shastris whom I met long ago told

me in confidence that they had been jyotishis for many janmas and remembered all

that they learned through all those janmas!

>

> WOW! Now that is what I call experience :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Rohini Ji is an experienced astrologer and knows debility of a neecha planet

cannot be reduced to any simplistic hard and fast rule. As I earlier said, a

neecha planets exerts all sorts of good and bad influences and therefore only a

case-to-case comprehensive evaluation should be used to make some statement.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ======================= ===

> > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Raj ji,

> > >

> > > Please count me out of those whose mission is to teach Astrology! I am but

an ant amongst elephants and I am neither waxing poetical nor modest. You have

done a few analyses and certainly do not need my 2 cents to understand your

horoscope or rather the 2 houses that were revealed :-)

> > >

> > > Perhaps there may be some truth in your statement (neecha uchcha) and this

is actually believed by many jyotishis in MP and UP where I had the occasion to

converse with them a few decades earlier. Definitely not something that many

others do not believe in as an astrological adage. Obviously, a single factor

may not be make or break like is true for anything else in jyotish.

> > >

> > > Interesting analogies could be:

> > >

> > > Uchchaa = Prince Charles (when will he become the King? :-)

> > > Neecha = Babu Jagjivan Ram or any other rags to riches story, I suppose!

> > >

> > > Just to clarify, I am using these as analogie and not astrological

examples. If you have some examples please do share. Off hand can only think of

Picasso and Michael Jordan both with multiple neecha planets, but again -- with

the usual caveat regarding celebrity birthdata...!!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohini Ji and Vinay Ji,

> > > > I am really enjoying it and learning a lot as well. What I have

experienced that when planets are in the Neecha awastha,most of the time it is

very encouraging, as they have 7th aspect on their Uccha sign ! I do not know

why I intutively treat the position of Neecha planets as a good;and very

interesting position in charts, rather than when they are Ucchha and have 7th

aspect on their Neecha sign. I have practically found it so after analysing many

charts.

> > > >

> > > > At least I feel I am having good times and enjoying, since Jupiter was

Neech and then Mars became Neech. I have Mars in my Scorpio lagna and Jup in

Sag. And am really getting lot of learning and quite a bit of interesting charts

analysis too. Why it is so ? With my best wishes.

> > > >

> > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Vinay_ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > That is the beauty of being born as a human being! One is privileged

to witness the dance and music of planets through one's life as they go from

neecha to uccha, direct to retrograde and all other AWASTHAS in between!

> > > > >

> > > > > Think about this for a moment, Sir: The planets DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE!

They are under the control of very RIGID LAWS: Gravitation, Bode's rule and a

bunch of other Physics type things that you and other scientists here know a lot

better than me, I am sure! If the planets revolt and try to break the " LAW "

there will be CHAOS and the UNIVERSE will be destroyed intantaneously! Won't you

agree?

> > > > >

> > > > > But the Human being has so many choices and paths to follow! Sure

there will be karmic repercussions and so on, but I think we human beings are

way more free than the planets themselves are!

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us count our blessings and make the best use of our lives and

minds and hearts and soul :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have no desire of becoming a Da.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Sep 2009, four planets were in neecha : Jup, Ven, Sun, Mars. But

I got a fine reception in Delhi among top politicians and bureaucrats of India

(I had gone there to promote the cause of Sanskrit education). Just one month

later, nearly one hundred persons of a particulat caste were mobilized by some

drunkards to wage an unsuccessful ABUSIVE Andolan against me for capturing the

premises of Sanskrit college controlled by me. At that time, three planets were

in neecha and all planets in Trika houses (vipareeta rajayoga was also working).

Gochara was much less effective than my own birthchart, Vimshottari and

Varshaphala-maasaphala.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Today, the muhurta is fine and I am starting to write a detailed

commentary on Suryasiddhanta, esp on its two initial chapters on mean and true

planets which have been non-mathematically dealt by all previous native

commentators, and falsely treated by foreign commentators I possess the

necessary material). I have begged Goddess Sarasvati to enable me to accomplish

this task which was deliberately neglected by all those native experts who

deemed it unfit to explain this " rahasyam " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Today, some friends in Mumbai and Varanasi have agreed than

translation of Sayana's commentary of Vedas into Hindi and English should be

started. We are looking for some translator.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I want a detailed commentary on BPHS, but I have too many tasks at

present.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > ============================ ====

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vinayji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Haha! I will begin to call you Vinay_Da in that case :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have a feeling that neecha mars boiling and stuck in the neecha

rashi will probably bring on a few such tirades before the rainy season starts!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " I have experienced abusive and gutter-language very recently

which earlier were directed at Two brilliant Jyotishis, way more accomplished

than what I can ever dream of being (names withheld!). This makes me feel as if

I have finally entered the Jyotish Hall of Fame "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This yardstick puts me, perhaps, much ahead you, although you

are senior in other respects.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > ===================== ===

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini

> > > > > > > > > I have been seeing some of this and ... guess you are right.

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal

> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: exaltation of planets

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Anything you have ever written, would neither get a yawn from

me ever, nor would it be taken 'personally' because I admire and respect you,

even if I may not agree all the time with you or what your write :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As far as cursing goes, that is again something I would not

associate with you! I have experienced abusive and gutter-language very recently

which earlier were directed at Two brilliant Jyotishis, way more accomplished

than what I can ever dream of being (names withheld!). This makes me feel as if

I have finally entered the Jyotish Hall of Fame ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sama, enough? :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ranjan

> > > > > > > > >

January 21, 2010

Dear Vinay Ji,

From these 2 msgs of yours, I have learned lot more and getting feelings of

enlightened too ! With my best regads. And dear Rohini Ji, I have far more

respect for Ants rather the Elephants. I love their level of intellegece and

untiring ,industrious and inspiring qualities ,great team work and family values

AND the fact that no MAN can ever enslave these little great Ants ! With my best

wishes to both of you.

Raj Bhardwaj

vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Rohini Dada,

>

> I am not a Da, hence I am doubling the Da for you to highlight the difference.

>

> What you call ex+perience is in my view im+perience (the prefix " in- " becomes

" im- " due to following " p " ). Because the knowledge of many lives has no

ex+ternal proof and is merely an in+ternal event.

>

> Extelligent persons believing in the reality of maayic external world,

however, cannot see these internal phenomena.

>

> Maharshi Veda Vyaasa Ji says in his Vyaasa-bhaashya of Patanjali's Yoga-sutra

that lack of smriti is a consequence of sins. Hence, if a person remembers the

Jyotisha knowledge learnt during past lives, that persons must have destroyed

most of his/her sins and must be on the verge of moksha. But to remain merely at

the verge for many lives and not enter into moksha is foolishness. What about

the veracity of a person who remembers Jyotisha learnt during many past lives,

but failed to attain moksha in spite of so much clairvoyancy and smriti ??

>

> -VJ

> vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Vinay Da,

> >

> > You are so kind, but in all fairness, I would hardly call myself experienced

-- what is a few decades, after all? Now a few Shastris whom I met long ago told

me in confidence that they had been jyotishis for many janmas and remembered all

that they learned through all those janmas!

> >

> > WOW! Now that is what I call experience :-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohini Ji is an experienced astrologer and knows debility of a neecha

planet cannot be reduced to any simplistic hard and fast rule. As I earlier

said, a neecha planets exerts all sorts of good and bad influences and therefore

only a case-to-case comprehensive evaluation should be used to make some

statement.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ======================= ===

> > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Raj ji,

> > > >

> > > > Please count me out of those whose mission is to teach Astrology! I am

but an ant amongst elephants and I am neither waxing poetical nor modest. You

have done a few analyses and certainly do not need my 2 cents to understand your

horoscope or rather the 2 houses that were revealed :-)

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps there may be some truth in your statement (neecha uchcha) and

this is actually believed by many jyotishis in MP and UP where I had the

occasion to converse with them a few decades earlier. Definitely not something

that many others do not believe in as an astrological adage. Obviously, a single

factor may not be make or break like is true for anything else in jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > Interesting analogies could be:

> > > >

> > > > Uchchaa = Prince Charles (when will he become the King? :-)

> > > > Neecha = Babu Jagjivan Ram or any other rags to riches story, I suppose!

> > > >

> > > > Just to clarify, I am using these as analogie and not astrological

examples. If you have some examples please do share. Off hand can only think of

Picasso and Michael Jordan both with multiple neecha planets, but again -- with

the usual caveat regarding celebrity birthdata...!!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohini Ji and Vinay Ji,

> > > > > I am really enjoying it and learning a lot as well. What I have

experienced that when planets are in the Neecha awastha,most of the time it is

very encouraging, as they have 7th aspect on their Uccha sign ! I do not know

why I intutively treat the position of Neecha planets as a good;and very

interesting position in charts, rather than when they are Ucchha and have 7th

aspect on their Neecha sign. I have practically found it so after analysing many

charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > At least I feel I am having good times and enjoying, since Jupiter was

Neech and then Mars became Neech. I have Mars in my Scorpio lagna and Jup in

Sag. And am really getting lot of learning and quite a bit of interesting charts

analysis too. Why it is so ? With my best wishes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vinay_ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That is the beauty of being born as a human being! One is privileged

to witness the dance and music of planets through one's life as they go from

neecha to uccha, direct to retrograde and all other AWASTHAS in between!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Think about this for a moment, Sir: The planets DO NOT HAVE A

CHOICE! They are under the control of very RIGID LAWS: Gravitation, Bode's rule

and a bunch of other Physics type things that you and other scientists here know

a lot better than me, I am sure! If the planets revolt and try to break the

" LAW " there will be CHAOS and the UNIVERSE will be destroyed intantaneously!

Won't you agree?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But the Human being has so many choices and paths to follow! Sure

there will be karmic repercussions and so on, but I think we human beings are

way more free than the planets themselves are!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let us count our blessings and make the best use of our lives and

minds and hearts and soul :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have no desire of becoming a Da.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In Sep 2009, four planets were in neecha : Jup, Ven, Sun, Mars.

But I got a fine reception in Delhi among top politicians and bureaucrats of

India (I had gone there to promote the cause of Sanskrit education). Just one

month later, nearly one hundred persons of a particulat caste were mobilized by

some drunkards to wage an unsuccessful ABUSIVE Andolan against me for capturing

the premises of Sanskrit college controlled by me. At that time, three planets

were in neecha and all planets in Trika houses (vipareeta rajayoga was also

working). Gochara was much less effective than my own birthchart, Vimshottari

and Varshaphala-maasaphala.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Today, the muhurta is fine and I am starting to write a detailed

commentary on Suryasiddhanta, esp on its two initial chapters on mean and true

planets which have been non-mathematically dealt by all previous native

commentators, and falsely treated by foreign commentators I possess the

necessary material). I have begged Goddess Sarasvati to enable me to accomplish

this task which was deliberately neglected by all those native experts who

deemed it unfit to explain this " rahasyam " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Today, some friends in Mumbai and Varanasi have agreed than

translation of Sayana's commentary of Vedas into Hindi and English should be

started. We are looking for some translator.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I want a detailed commentary on BPHS, but I have too many tasks at

present.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > ============================ ====

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vinayji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Haha! I will begin to call you Vinay_Da in that case :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have a feeling that neecha mars boiling and stuck in the

neecha rashi will probably bring on a few such tirades before the rainy season

starts!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohini Da,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " I have experienced abusive and gutter-language very recently

which earlier were directed at Two brilliant Jyotishis, way more accomplished

than what I can ever dream of being (names withheld!). This makes me feel as if

I have finally entered the Jyotish Hall of Fame "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This yardstick puts me, perhaps, much ahead you, although you

are senior in other respects.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > > ===================== ===

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Sanjay Rath "

<sjrath@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini

> > > > > > > > > > I have been seeing some of this and ... guess you are right.

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Sanjay

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal

> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: exaltation of planets

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Anything you have ever written, would neither get a yawn

from me ever, nor would it be taken 'personally' because I admire and respect

you, even if I may not agree all the time with you or what your write :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As far as cursing goes, that is again something I would not

associate with you! I have experienced abusive and gutter-language very recently

which earlier were directed at Two brilliant Jyotishis, way more accomplished

than what I can ever dream of being (names withheld!). This makes me feel as if

I have finally entered the Jyotish Hall of Fame ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sama, enough? :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

January 22, 2010

Dear Vinay Jee (see! I can learn too! No hyphens or underscores although both

pinkies are working! :-))

Da Da in russian, I believe, means " Yes Yes or Hanh Hanh in Hindi! "

The antonym is Nyet Nyet! So similar to Neti-Neti!

Let us stop here, or we will overload Raj jee and others :-)

RR_,

<<Raj Bhai, Laugh with us...!>>