Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 To All Concerned : Mr Abhijit simply enquired about the " Vedic " way of calculating exaltation. It is a forum of " vedic " astrology, hence he was quite right in asking such a question. The methods used by so-called " vedic " astrologers are supposed to be vedic methods, whether these methods are inside or outside the Vedas. Mr Abhijit had not abused anyone to receive insulting remarks by Mr Raj Bhardwaj. The latter is on an abusing spree and needs some restraint. There are stringent cyber laws against abusive emails and there are programs to locate the sender. -VJ ============== === Please let us know when you find out about it from vedas and scholars. In the meantime, I shall happily continue to use the method prescribed by Parashara and others and carry on my practice of astrology vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > Abhijit, > > The problem with many people like you, like few astrologers, like so > called doctors ; and like few others (whom I am unable to categorise), > who try to dabble in astrology is; that they do not posess requisite > faculty to grasp the wit and subtle but well intended pun in Rohini's > writings. > > > Some one asks Primarly class Q on exaltation and debilitation of > planets, the other gentelman describes to people that they have Love Yog > in their horoscope, a doctor,who perhaps has no work to attend, has all > the time on earth to do research in friendly relationships , which he > insists, must be termed as first marriage,second marriage and so on. > Funny people posing as astrologers on the group, who do not appear to > have even basic common sense about astrology and talk through their > hats.....are creating circus of great jokers ! And yes,It is really > beoming interesting to enjoy their acts in their own created circus > ....over the past 9 years. > > Rohini, I love your patience, great art of wit and envy the feelings > of innocent enjoyment ,through writing in this group.It is worth it , > rather than going to see 3 Idiots ! I love it . Eagerly awaiting for > your next reply to Abhijit ! > > Raj Bhardwaj,Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra,Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir, Dera > Bassi (Near Chandigarh) Panjab > > expert at www.liveperson.com/indoastro-raj/ > <http://www.liveperson.com/indoastro-raj/> > > > > vedic astrology , " abhijitbasu " abhijitbasu@ > wrote: > > > > Rohini, > > > > Happy New Year!!! > > You still not thinking simple -. " I don't know " would have worked > fine for a reply. Have you watched 3 idiots yet? > > > > May your practice be well received and also, may the Galileo within > you see the light of the day -. > > Abhijit > > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > Abhijit, > > > > > > Please let us know when you find out about it from vedas and > scholars. In the meantime, I shall happily continue to use the method > prescribed by Parashara and others and carry on my practice of astrology > ;-) > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhijitbasu " <abhijitbasu@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > What is the vedic way to calculate the exaltation signs and the > specific degrees of exaltation? > > > > Is there a documented logic or a way to derive and confirm what is > documented as exaltation and debilitation signs are really in effect or > this prescription is based purely on chart observations? > > > > Any vedic script/book that you know that have the enumeration of > the reasoning? > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > Abhijit > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anshul! > > > > > > > > > > Merry-meet! > > > > > > > > > > Maybe Vinod jee was referring to AYANAMSHA! > > > > > > > > > > Since Ptolemy's times when the zodiac and its 'pada' had been > moving out of phase gradually, there has been increasing strain! > > > > > > > > > > What concerns me more is that you said that " what caught your > eye was something that you HEARD on that TV show! " > > > > > > > > > > I have heard about both MAYAs! > > > > > > > > > > SEEING is believing > > > > > HEARING is believing! > > > > > > > > > > Turn the TV off and gt down to studying the conventional way! > Books and charts! > > > > > > > > > > Until some brilliant teacher comes up with an easier modality! > Like a JYOTISH VIDEO GAME which may be arriving from CALIFORNIA! > > > > > > > > > > One of these days! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Anshul Chobey " > <anshulchobey@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dera all > > > > > > Yesterday I was watching a program on ETV Rajasthan called > jyotish Vishesh which > > > > > > has a renowned astrologer from jaipur Dr Vinod Shastri as one > of the panelists. > > > > > > During the program he mentioned something quite interesting > which caught my eye. > > > > > > He said that all the in all these years (may be from the times > the scriptures > > > > > > were written)the speed, degrees and other astronomical > attributes of planets > > > > > > have changed and therefore the exaltation signs and degrees of > exaltation for > > > > > > planets have also changed. He only mentioned about sun which > he said is now , in > > > > > > current times is exalted in Mithuna rasi at 18 degrees and so > on for other > > > > > > planets as well. > > > > > > I am curious to know has anyone researched or known anything > like this. > > > > > > Thanks and best regards > > > > > > Anshul chobey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Without getting entangled in the 'duniyadari' of this thread, Jha_ji, I have always been somewhat concerned by these labels that Indian Astrologers have imposed on Jyotish! Hindu Astrology, Vedic Astrology, Vaidik Astrology, Indian Astrology ...! When can we ALL come together and decide that Jyotish should be called simply JYOTISH! Perhaps once it finds its original name, all these skirmishes and confusions decimate! And they say: What's in a name! Rohiniranjan vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > To All Concerned : > > Mr Abhijit simply enquired about the " Vedic " way of calculating > exaltation. It is a forum of " vedic " astrology, hence he was quite right > in asking such a question. The methods used by so-called " vedic " > astrologers are supposed to be vedic methods, whether these methods are > inside or outside the Vedas. Mr Abhijit had not abused anyone to receive > insulting remarks by Mr Raj Bhardwaj. The latter is on an abusing spree > and needs some restraint. There are stringent cyber laws against abusive > emails and there are programs to locate the sender. > > -VJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Rohini Da, I do not care for abuses, but sometimes I feel I should retort, and if need arises I will ask my lawyer to book a few wrong doers who spoil civilized fora. I am not against this label, because " Vedic Astrology " , in my view, is not the astrology according to the Vedas as some misguided persons want to stress, but the astrology propagated and practised by those who believe in Vedas and vedic culture in broad sense. The term " Indian Astrology " is improper, because the latter includes influences from outside sources such as Greek, Islamic, Tadjik, etc. At present, Jain astrology is not a separate trend. Hence, " Vedic Astrology " means 'indigenous astrology " of India. I, therefore, like to use the term " Vedic Astrology " myself. I used the label " so-called " because of a reason I would not have liked to explain in public fora. I have read many of your articles, but I am not able to live a settled life for two years. Hence, I have not been able to read all of you. I liked not only the content, but also the method you use. You are among the best living writers in this field. Recently, Central Govt has approved sufficient financial aid to the voluntary Sanskrit college controlled by me. I started a Gurukula also five months ago, and now my financial problems for the survival of this Gurukula are almost over. I have students who have memorized Panini's Ashtaadhyaayi by rote and are now learning higher things in Sanskrit and English. I never tried for any donations from any quarter, and used my own resources to run this ashrama (I did not save money in banks : God is helping me, perhaps). -VJ =============== ==== vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Without getting entangled in the 'duniyadari' of this thread, Jha_ji, I have always been somewhat concerned by these labels that Indian Astrologers have imposed on Jyotish! > > Hindu Astrology, Vedic Astrology, Vaidik Astrology, Indian Astrology ....! > > When can we ALL come together and decide that Jyotish should be called simply JYOTISH! > > Perhaps once it finds its original name, all these skirmishes and confusions decimate! > > And they say: What's in a name! > > Rohiniranjan > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > To All Concerned : > > > > Mr Abhijit simply enquired about the " Vedic " way of calculating > > exaltation. It is a forum of " vedic " astrology, hence he was quite right > > in asking such a question. The methods used by so-called " vedic " > > astrologers are supposed to be vedic methods, whether these methods are > > inside or outside the Vedas. Mr Abhijit had not abused anyone to receive > > insulting remarks by Mr Raj Bhardwaj. The latter is on an abusing spree > > and needs some restraint. There are stringent cyber laws against abusive > > emails and there are programs to locate the sender. > > > > -VJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Mr Vinod Jha, Why YOU are in pain with my msg to Abhijeet! Maan Na maan main tera Mehmaan. Raj Bhardwaj vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > To All Concerned : > > Mr Abhijit simply enquired about the " Vedic " way of calculating > exaltation. It is a forum of " vedic " astrology, hence he was quite right > in asking such a question. The methods used by so-called " vedic " > astrologers are supposed to be vedic methods, whether these methods are > inside or outside the Vedas. Mr Abhijit had not abused anyone to receive > insulting remarks by Mr Raj Bhardwaj. The latter is on an abusing spree > and needs some restraint. There are stringent cyber laws against abusive > emails and there are programs to locate the sender. > > -VJ > ============== === > Please let us know when you find out about it from vedas and > scholars. In the meantime, I shall happily continue to use the method > prescribed by Parashara and others and carry on my practice of astrology > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> > wrote: > > > > > > Abhijit, > > > > The problem with many people like you, like few astrologers, like so > > called doctors ; and like few others (whom I am unable to > categorise), > > who try to dabble in astrology is; that they do not posess requisite > > faculty to grasp the wit and subtle but well intended pun in Rohini's > > writings. > > > > > > Some one asks Primarly class Q on exaltation and debilitation of > > planets, the other gentelman describes to people that they have Love > Yog > > in their horoscope, a doctor,who perhaps has no work to attend, has > all > > the time on earth to do research in friendly relationships , which he > > insists, must be termed as first marriage,second marriage and so on. > > Funny people posing as astrologers on the group, who do not appear to > > have even basic common sense about astrology and talk through their > > hats.....are creating circus of great jokers ! And yes,It is really > > beoming interesting to enjoy their acts in their own created circus > > ....over the past 9 years. > > > > Rohini, I love your patience, great art of wit and envy the feelings > > of innocent enjoyment ,through writing in this group.It is worth it , > > rather than going to see 3 Idiots ! I love it . Eagerly awaiting for > > your next reply to Abhijit ! > > > > Raj Bhardwaj,Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra,Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir, Dera > > Bassi (Near Chandigarh) Panjab > > > > expert at www.liveperson.com/indoastro-raj/ > > <http://www.liveperson.com/indoastro-raj/> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhijitbasu " abhijitbasu@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Rohini, > > > > > > Happy New Year!!! > > > You still not thinking simple -. " I don't know " would have worked > > fine for a reply. Have you watched 3 idiots yet? > > > > > > May your practice be well received and also, may the Galileo within > > you see the light of the day -. > > > Abhijit > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " > jyotish_vani@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Abhijit, > > > > > > > > Please let us know when you find out about it from vedas and > > scholars. In the meantime, I shall happily continue to use the method > > prescribed by Parashara and others and carry on my practice of > astrology > > ;-) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhijitbasu " > <abhijitbasu@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > > > What is the vedic way to calculate the exaltation signs and the > > specific degrees of exaltation? > > > > > Is there a documented logic or a way to derive and confirm what > is > > documented as exaltation and debilitation signs are really in effect > or > > this prescription is based purely on chart observations? > > > > > Any vedic script/book that you know that have the enumeration of > > the reasoning? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > Abhijit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anshul! > > > > > > > > > > > > Merry-meet! > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe Vinod jee was referring to AYANAMSHA! > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Ptolemy's times when the zodiac and its 'pada' had been > > moving out of phase gradually, there has been increasing strain! > > > > > > > > > > > > What concerns me more is that you said that " what caught your > > eye was something that you HEARD on that TV show! " > > > > > > > > > > > > I have heard about both MAYAs! > > > > > > > > > > > > SEEING is believing > > > > > > HEARING is believing! > > > > > > > > > > > > Turn the TV off and gt down to studying the conventional way! > > Books and charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > Until some brilliant teacher comes up with an easier modality! > > Like a JYOTISH VIDEO GAME which may be arriving from CALIFORNIA! > > > > > > > > > > > > One of these days! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Anshul Chobey " > > <anshulchobey@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dera all > > > > > > > Yesterday I was watching a program on ETV Rajasthan called > > jyotish Vishesh which > > > > > > > has a renowned astrologer from jaipur Dr Vinod Shastri as > one > > of the panelists. > > > > > > > During the program he mentioned something quite interesting > > which caught my eye. > > > > > > > He said that all the in all these years (may be from the > times > > the scriptures > > > > > > > were written)the speed, degrees and other astronomical > > attributes of planets > > > > > > > have changed and therefore the exaltation signs and degrees > of > > exaltation for > > > > > > > planets have also changed. He only mentioned about sun which > > he said is now , in > > > > > > > current times is exalted in Mithuna rasi at 18 degrees and > so > > on for other > > > > > > > planets as well. > > > > > > > I am curious to know has anyone researched or known anything > > like this. > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards > > > > > > > Anshul chobey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 One must always retort! As long as we walk through this mayavini reality, Vinay_ji! Like the story about the snake in scriptures reminds us! You see, while people go to Crusades over HOLY scriptures and what the moderators (some fora, this one excepted, so far!) consider as blasphemy and try to control for the sake of face-saving publicly to appease the majority as some sort of effort towards " HEALING " -- we forget that there is only one SOURCE that ALL must arise from and return TO. How else would the CIRCLE be...? ....called a CIRCLE! RR_, vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Rohini Da, > > I do not care for abuses, but sometimes I feel I should retort, and if > need arises I will ask my lawyer to book a few wrong doers who spoil > civilized fora. > > I am not against this label, because " Vedic Astrology " , in my view, is > not the astrology according to the Vedas as some misguided persons want > to stress, but the astrology propagated and practised by those who > believe in Vedas and vedic culture in broad sense. The term " Indian > Astrology " is improper, because the latter includes influences from > outside sources such as Greek, Islamic, Tadjik, etc. At present, Jain > astrology is not a separate trend. Hence, " Vedic Astrology " means > 'indigenous astrology " of India. I, therefore, like to use the term > " Vedic Astrology " myself. > > I used the label " so-called " because of a reason I would not have liked > to explain in public fora. > > I have read many of your articles, but I am not able to live a settled > life for two years. Hence, I have not been able to read all of you. I > liked not only the content, but also the method you use. You are among > the best living writers in this field. > > Recently, Central Govt has approved sufficient financial aid to the > voluntary Sanskrit college controlled by me. I started a Gurukula also > five months ago, and now my financial problems for the survival of this > Gurukula are almost over. I have students who have memorized Panini's > Ashtaadhyaayi by rote and are now learning higher things in Sanskrit and > English. I never tried for any donations from any quarter, and used my > own resources to run this ashrama (I did not save money in banks : God > is helping me, perhaps). > > -VJ > =============== ==== > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Without getting entangled in the 'duniyadari' of this thread, Jha_ji, > I have always been somewhat concerned by these labels that Indian > Astrologers have imposed on Jyotish! > > > > Hindu Astrology, Vedic Astrology, Vaidik Astrology, Indian Astrology > ...! > > > > When can we ALL come together and decide that Jyotish should be called > simply JYOTISH! > > > > Perhaps once it finds its original name, all these skirmishes and > confusions decimate! > > > > And they say: What's in a name! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > > > To All Concerned : > > > > > > Mr Abhijit simply enquired about the " Vedic " way of calculating > > > exaltation. It is a forum of " vedic " astrology, hence he was quite > right > > > in asking such a question. The methods used by so-called " vedic " > > > astrologers are supposed to be vedic methods, whether these methods > are > > > inside or outside the Vedas. Mr Abhijit had not abused anyone to > receive > > > insulting remarks by Mr Raj Bhardwaj. The latter is on an abusing > spree > > > and needs some restraint. There are stringent cyber laws against > abusive > > > emails and there are programs to locate the sender. > > > > > > -VJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Rohini Da, <<<One must always retort!>>> I do not always retort, I retort only when I am in a mood to leave a group. As long as I see some meaningful dialogue, I tolerate even abuses from scoundrels. -VJ ================= === vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > One must always retort! As long as we walk through this mayavini reality, Vinay_ji! > > Like the story about the snake in scriptures reminds us! > > You see, while people go to Crusades over HOLY scriptures and what the moderators (some fora, this one excepted, so far!) consider as blasphemy and try to control for the sake of face-saving publicly to appease the majority as some sort of effort towards " HEALING " -- we forget that there is only one SOURCE that ALL must arise from and return TO. > > How else would the CIRCLE be...? > > ...called a CIRCLE! > > RR_, > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > I do not care for abuses, but sometimes I feel I should retort, and if > > need arises I will ask my lawyer to book a few wrong doers who spoil > > civilized fora. > > > > I am not against this label, because " Vedic Astrology " , in my view, is > > not the astrology according to the Vedas as some misguided persons want > > to stress, but the astrology propagated and practised by those who > > believe in Vedas and vedic culture in broad sense. The term " Indian > > Astrology " is improper, because the latter includes influences from > > outside sources such as Greek, Islamic, Tadjik, etc. At present, Jain > > astrology is not a separate trend. Hence, " Vedic Astrology " means > > 'indigenous astrology " of India. I, therefore, like to use the term > > " Vedic Astrology " myself. > > > > I used the label " so-called " because of a reason I would not have liked > > to explain in public fora. > > > > I have read many of your articles, but I am not able to live a settled > > life for two years. Hence, I have not been able to read all of you. I > > liked not only the content, but also the method you use. You are among > > the best living writers in this field. > > > > Recently, Central Govt has approved sufficient financial aid to the > > voluntary Sanskrit college controlled by me. I started a Gurukula also > > five months ago, and now my financial problems for the survival of this > > Gurukula are almost over. I have students who have memorized Panini's > > Ashtaadhyaayi by rote and are now learning higher things in Sanskrit and > > English. I never tried for any donations from any quarter, and used my > > own resources to run this ashrama (I did not save money in banks : God > > is helping me, perhaps). > > > > -VJ > > =============== ==== > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Without getting entangled in the 'duniyadari' of this thread, Jha_ji, > > I have always been somewhat concerned by these labels that Indian > > Astrologers have imposed on Jyotish! > > > > > > Hindu Astrology, Vedic Astrology, Vaidik Astrology, Indian Astrology > > ...! > > > > > > When can we ALL come together and decide that Jyotish should be called > > simply JYOTISH! > > > > > > Perhaps once it finds its original name, all these skirmishes and > > confusions decimate! > > > > > > And they say: What's in a name! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > > > > > To All Concerned : > > > > > > > > Mr Abhijit simply enquired about the " Vedic " way of calculating > > > > exaltation. It is a forum of " vedic " astrology, hence he was quite > > right > > > > in asking such a question. The methods used by so-called " vedic " > > > > astrologers are supposed to be vedic methods, whether these methods > > are > > > > inside or outside the Vedas. Mr Abhijit had not abused anyone to > > receive > > > > insulting remarks by Mr Raj Bhardwaj. The latter is on an abusing > > spree > > > > and needs some restraint. There are stringent cyber laws against > > abusive > > > > emails and there are programs to locate the sender. > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Mr Raj, You insulted Mr Abhijit Ji with this rematk : " they do not posess requisite faculty ... " . I do not know who Abhijit Ji is, but I certainly know that using such insulting remarks against any person on a public forum is not only incivility but a crime too. And user of such a language cannot be an astrologer, if we define an astrologer according to the standards mentioned in texts like BPHS. -VJ =================== === vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > Mr Vinod Jha, > Why YOU are in pain with my msg to Abhijeet! Maan Na maan main tera Mehmaan. > Raj Bhardwaj > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > To All Concerned : > > > > Mr Abhijit simply enquired about the " Vedic " way of calculating > > exaltation. It is a forum of " vedic " astrology, hence he was quite right > > in asking such a question. The methods used by so-called " vedic " > > astrologers are supposed to be vedic methods, whether these methods are > > inside or outside the Vedas. Mr Abhijit had not abused anyone to receive > > insulting remarks by Mr Raj Bhardwaj. The latter is on an abusing spree > > and needs some restraint. There are stringent cyber laws against abusive > > emails and there are programs to locate the sender. > > > > -VJ > > ============== === > > Please let us know when you find out about it from vedas and > > scholars. In the meantime, I shall happily continue to use the method > > prescribed by Parashara and others and carry on my practice of astrology > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Abhijit, > > > > > > The problem with many people like you, like few astrologers, like so > > > called doctors ; and like few others (whom I am unable to > > categorise), > > > who try to dabble in astrology is; that they do not posess requisite > > > faculty to grasp the wit and subtle but well intended pun in Rohini's > > > writings. > > > > > > > > > Some one asks Primarly class Q on exaltation and debilitation of > > > planets, the other gentelman describes to people that they have Love > > Yog > > > in their horoscope, a doctor,who perhaps has no work to attend, has > > all > > > the time on earth to do research in friendly relationships , which he > > > insists, must be termed as first marriage,second marriage and so on. > > > Funny people posing as astrologers on the group, who do not appear to > > > have even basic common sense about astrology and talk through their > > > hats.....are creating circus of great jokers ! And yes,It is really > > > beoming interesting to enjoy their acts in their own created circus > > > ....over the past 9 years. > > > > > > Rohini, I love your patience, great art of wit and envy the feelings > > > of innocent enjoyment ,through writing in this group.It is worth it , > > > rather than going to see 3 Idiots ! I love it . Eagerly awaiting for > > > your next reply to Abhijit ! > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj,Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra,Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir, Dera > > > Bassi (Near Chandigarh) Panjab > > > > > > expert at www.liveperson.com/indoastro-raj/ > > > <http://www.liveperson.com/indoastro-raj/> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhijitbasu " abhijitbasu@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Rohini, > > > > > > > > Happy New Year!!! > > > > You still not thinking simple -. " I don't know " would have worked > > > fine for a reply. Have you watched 3 idiots yet? > > > > > > > > May your practice be well received and also, may the Galileo within > > > you see the light of the day -. > > > > Abhijit > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " > > jyotish_vani@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Abhijit, > > > > > > > > > > Please let us know when you find out about it from vedas and > > > scholars. In the meantime, I shall happily continue to use the method > > > prescribed by Parashara and others and carry on my practice of > > astrology > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhijitbasu " > > <abhijitbasu@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the vedic way to calculate the exaltation signs and the > > > specific degrees of exaltation? > > > > > > Is there a documented logic or a way to derive and confirm what > > is > > > documented as exaltation and debilitation signs are really in effect > > or > > > this prescription is based purely on chart observations? > > > > > > Any vedic script/book that you know that have the enumeration of > > > the reasoning? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Abhijit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anshul! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merry-meet! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe Vinod jee was referring to AYANAMSHA! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Ptolemy's times when the zodiac and its 'pada' had been > > > moving out of phase gradually, there has been increasing strain! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What concerns me more is that you said that " what caught your > > > eye was something that you HEARD on that TV show! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have heard about both MAYAs! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SEEING is believing > > > > > > > HEARING is believing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Turn the TV off and gt down to studying the conventional way! > > > Books and charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until some brilliant teacher comes up with an easier modality! > > > Like a JYOTISH VIDEO GAME which may be arriving from CALIFORNIA! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of these days! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Anshul Chobey " > > > <anshulchobey@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dera all > > > > > > > > Yesterday I was watching a program on ETV Rajasthan called > > > jyotish Vishesh which > > > > > > > > has a renowned astrologer from jaipur Dr Vinod Shastri as > > one > > > of the panelists. > > > > > > > > During the program he mentioned something quite interesting > > > which caught my eye. > > > > > > > > He said that all the in all these years (may be from the > > times > > > the scriptures > > > > > > > > were written)the speed, degrees and other astronomical > > > attributes of planets > > > > > > > > have changed and therefore the exaltation signs and degrees > > of > > > exaltation for > > > > > > > > planets have also changed. He only mentioned about sun which > > > he said is now , in > > > > > > > > current times is exalted in Mithuna rasi at 18 degrees and > > so > > > on for other > > > > > > > > planets as well. > > > > > > > > I am curious to know has anyone researched or known anything > > > like this. > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards > > > > > > > > Anshul chobey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Dear Vinay_ji, God has this habit, it seems. of sending distractions when the becomes strong! God is neither vindictive, nor out there to TEST all of us mortals, but just sends reminders as to what we should focus on and what we should try to ignore! Sometimes silence is golden and a sign of strength and not a weakness! Even for grihasthas like me! And certainly for others who have chosen a more difficult path. I would request you to read message # 117884, written by an even-keeled person, and perhaps lot younger than some of us :-) Regards, Rohiniranjan vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Rohini Da, > > <<<One must always retort!>>> > > I do not always retort, I retort only when I am in a mood to leave a group. As long as I see some meaningful dialogue, I tolerate even abuses from scoundrels. > > -VJ > ================= === > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > One must always retort! As long as we walk through this mayavini reality, Vinay_ji! > > > > Like the story about the snake in scriptures reminds us! > > > > You see, while people go to Crusades over HOLY scriptures and what the moderators (some fora, this one excepted, so far!) consider as blasphemy and try to control for the sake of face-saving publicly to appease the majority as some sort of effort towards " HEALING " -- we forget that there is only one SOURCE that ALL must arise from and return TO. > > > > How else would the CIRCLE be...? > > > > ...called a CIRCLE! > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > > > I do not care for abuses, but sometimes I feel I should retort, and if > > > need arises I will ask my lawyer to book a few wrong doers who spoil > > > civilized fora. > > > > > > I am not against this label, because " Vedic Astrology " , in my view, is > > > not the astrology according to the Vedas as some misguided persons want > > > to stress, but the astrology propagated and practised by those who > > > believe in Vedas and vedic culture in broad sense. The term " Indian > > > Astrology " is improper, because the latter includes influences from > > > outside sources such as Greek, Islamic, Tadjik, etc. At present, Jain > > > astrology is not a separate trend. Hence, " Vedic Astrology " means > > > 'indigenous astrology " of India. I, therefore, like to use the term > > > " Vedic Astrology " myself. > > > > > > I used the label " so-called " because of a reason I would not have liked > > > to explain in public fora. > > > > > > I have read many of your articles, but I am not able to live a settled > > > life for two years. Hence, I have not been able to read all of you. I > > > liked not only the content, but also the method you use. You are among > > > the best living writers in this field. > > > > > > Recently, Central Govt has approved sufficient financial aid to the > > > voluntary Sanskrit college controlled by me. I started a Gurukula also > > > five months ago, and now my financial problems for the survival of this > > > Gurukula are almost over. I have students who have memorized Panini's > > > Ashtaadhyaayi by rote and are now learning higher things in Sanskrit and > > > English. I never tried for any donations from any quarter, and used my > > > own resources to run this ashrama (I did not save money in banks : God > > > is helping me, perhaps). > > > > > > -VJ > > > =============== ==== > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Without getting entangled in the 'duniyadari' of this thread, Jha_ji, > > > I have always been somewhat concerned by these labels that Indian > > > Astrologers have imposed on Jyotish! > > > > > > > > Hindu Astrology, Vedic Astrology, Vaidik Astrology, Indian Astrology > > > ...! > > > > > > > > When can we ALL come together and decide that Jyotish should be called > > > simply JYOTISH! > > > > > > > > Perhaps once it finds its original name, all these skirmishes and > > > confusions decimate! > > > > > > > > And they say: What's in a name! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To All Concerned : > > > > > > > > > > Mr Abhijit simply enquired about the " Vedic " way of calculating > > > > > exaltation. It is a forum of " vedic " astrology, hence he was quite > > > right > > > > > in asking such a question. The methods used by so-called " vedic " > > > > > astrologers are supposed to be vedic methods, whether these methods > > > are > > > > > inside or outside the Vedas. Mr Abhijit had not abused anyone to > > > receive > > > > > insulting remarks by Mr Raj Bhardwaj. The latter is on an abusing > > > spree > > > > > and needs some restraint. There are stringent cyber laws against > > > abusive > > > > > emails and there are programs to locate the sender. > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Hi, Now ! Now " Scoundrels " could be termed as the first abusive word used in the exchange of msgs, if some one likes to term it so. It was not for nothing, I was insisting, read again, read my msg again ! We all our own mirrors and after certain intervals , we all do look deep into our mirrors'; and having seen all our images, may or even may not realise, what have we done or not done. The Mirror , a lifeless object, never lies. So, we all have to wait for our times , to answer to our Atma Karaka planet,wittingly or unwittingly. Whether we like it not like it. Elementary Watson, elementary! Till we meet again for vinodanand ! Raj Bhardwaj vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Rohini Da, > > <<<One must always retort!>>> > > I do not always retort, I retort only when I am in a mood to leave a group. As long as I see some meaningful dialogue, I tolerate even abuses from scoundrels. > > -VJ > ================= === > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > One must always retort! As long as we walk through this mayavini reality, Vinay_ji! > > > > Like the story about the snake in scriptures reminds us! > > > > You see, while people go to Crusades over HOLY scriptures and what the moderators (some fora, this one excepted, so far!) consider as blasphemy and try to control for the sake of face-saving publicly to appease the majority as some sort of effort towards " HEALING " -- we forget that there is only one SOURCE that ALL must arise from and return TO. > > > > How else would the CIRCLE be...? > > > > ...called a CIRCLE! > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > > > I do not care for abuses, but sometimes I feel I should retort, and if > > > need arises I will ask my lawyer to book a few wrong doers who spoil > > > civilized fora. > > > > > > I am not against this label, because " Vedic Astrology " , in my view, is > > > not the astrology according to the Vedas as some misguided persons want > > > to stress, but the astrology propagated and practised by those who > > > believe in Vedas and vedic culture in broad sense. The term " Indian > > > Astrology " is improper, because the latter includes influences from > > > outside sources such as Greek, Islamic, Tadjik, etc. At present, Jain > > > astrology is not a separate trend. Hence, " Vedic Astrology " means > > > 'indigenous astrology " of India. I, therefore, like to use the term > > > " Vedic Astrology " myself. > > > > > > I used the label " so-called " because of a reason I would not have liked > > > to explain in public fora. > > > > > > I have read many of your articles, but I am not able to live a settled > > > life for two years. Hence, I have not been able to read all of you. I > > > liked not only the content, but also the method you use. You are among > > > the best living writers in this field. > > > > > > Recently, Central Govt has approved sufficient financial aid to the > > > voluntary Sanskrit college controlled by me. I started a Gurukula also > > > five months ago, and now my financial problems for the survival of this > > > Gurukula are almost over. I have students who have memorized Panini's > > > Ashtaadhyaayi by rote and are now learning higher things in Sanskrit and > > > English. I never tried for any donations from any quarter, and used my > > > own resources to run this ashrama (I did not save money in banks : God > > > is helping me, perhaps). > > > > > > -VJ > > > =============== ==== > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Without getting entangled in the 'duniyadari' of this thread, Jha_ji, > > > I have always been somewhat concerned by these labels that Indian > > > Astrologers have imposed on Jyotish! > > > > > > > > Hindu Astrology, Vedic Astrology, Vaidik Astrology, Indian Astrology > > > ...! > > > > > > > > When can we ALL come together and decide that Jyotish should be called > > > simply JYOTISH! > > > > > > > > Perhaps once it finds its original name, all these skirmishes and > > > confusions decimate! > > > > > > > > And they say: What's in a name! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To All Concerned : > > > > > > > > > > Mr Abhijit simply enquired about the " Vedic " way of calculating > > > > > exaltation. It is a forum of " vedic " astrology, hence he was quite > > > right > > > > > in asking such a question. The methods used by so-called " vedic " > > > > > astrologers are supposed to be vedic methods, whether these methods > > > are > > > > > inside or outside the Vedas. Mr Abhijit had not abused anyone to > > > receive > > > > > insulting remarks by Mr Raj Bhardwaj. The latter is on an abusing > > > spree > > > > > and needs some restraint. There are stringent cyber laws against > > > abusive > > > > > emails and there are programs to locate the sender. > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Mr Raj Bhardwaj is distorting my statements. I have earlier received obscene abuses (not from Mr Raj Bhardwaj). Such messages have stopped many months ago. Even that abuser was not termed as scoundrel by me, and I never retorted in like language. Recently, I said " As long as I see some meaningful dialogue, I tolerate even abuses from scoundrels " , which I am now completing with this statement : " As long as I do not see some meaningful dialogue, I should not welcome even praises from gentlemen. " It is a general remark, not an abuse pointed at any individual. Mr Raj Bhardwaj has no interest in any serious dislogue with me. So am I. Hence, he should have kept away from me. Instead, he is uncecessarily trying to prove his greatness by using foul language about me without any provocation. It is a dirty trick to advertise oneself by insulting others, which he has been doing. He should devote his energies to his own work and keep away from me. I know why the likes of Mr Bhardwaj dislike me, but I do not want any discussion on this point. It is a democratic forum, rarely moderated by moderators. Hence, members ought to moderate themselves. Any discussion can be carried on, provided civility is not broken. Any member can read the original messages of Mr Raj which were highly objectionable. He still thinks his language was proper. I am not going to remain in this forum for long because I have too many tasks. -VJ ================== === vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > Hi, > Now ! Now " Scoundrels " could be termed as the first abusive word used > in the exchange of msgs, if some one likes to term it so. It was not for > nothing, I was insisting, read again, read my msg again ! > > We all our own mirrors and after certain intervals , we all do look > deep into our mirrors'; and having seen all our images, may or even may > not realise, what have we done or not done. The Mirror , a lifeless > object, never lies. So, we all have to wait for our times , to answer > to our Atma Karaka planet,wittingly or unwittingly. Whether we like it > not like it. Elementary Watson, elementary! Till we meet again for > vinodanand ! > > Raj Bhardwaj > > vedic astrology , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > <<<One must always retort!>>> > > > > I do not always retort, I retort only when I am in a mood to leave a > group. As long as I see some meaningful dialogue, I tolerate even abuses > from scoundrels. > > > > -VJ > > ================= === > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > One must always retort! As long as we walk through this mayavini > reality, Vinay_ji! > > > > > > Like the story about the snake in scriptures reminds us! > > > > > > You see, while people go to Crusades over HOLY scriptures and what > the moderators (some fora, this one excepted, so far!) consider as > blasphemy and try to control for the sake of face-saving publicly to > appease the majority as some sort of effort towards " HEALING " -- we > forget that there is only one SOURCE that ALL must arise from and return > TO. > > > > > > How else would the CIRCLE be...? > > > > > > ...called a CIRCLE! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > > > > > I do not care for abuses, but sometimes I feel I should retort, > and if > > > > need arises I will ask my lawyer to book a few wrong doers who > spoil > > > > civilized fora. > > > > > > > > I am not against this label, because " Vedic Astrology " , in my > view, is > > > > not the astrology according to the Vedas as some misguided persons > want > > > > to stress, but the astrology propagated and practised by those who > > > > believe in Vedas and vedic culture in broad sense. The term > " Indian > > > > Astrology " is improper, because the latter includes influences > from > > > > outside sources such as Greek, Islamic, Tadjik, etc. At present, > Jain > > > > astrology is not a separate trend. Hence, " Vedic Astrology " means > > > > 'indigenous astrology " of India. I, therefore, like to use the > term > > > > " Vedic Astrology " myself. > > > > > > > > I used the label " so-called " because of a reason I would not have > liked > > > > to explain in public fora. > > > > > > > > I have read many of your articles, but I am not able to live a > settled > > > > life for two years. Hence, I have not been able to read all of > you. I > > > > liked not only the content, but also the method you use. You are > among > > > > the best living writers in this field. > > > > > > > > Recently, Central Govt has approved sufficient financial aid to > the > > > > voluntary Sanskrit college controlled by me. I started a Gurukula > also > > > > five months ago, and now my financial problems for the survival of > this > > > > Gurukula are almost over. I have students who have memorized > Panini's > > > > Ashtaadhyaayi by rote and are now learning higher things in > Sanskrit and > > > > English. I never tried for any donations from any quarter, and > used my > > > > own resources to run this ashrama (I did not save money in banks : > God > > > > is helping me, perhaps). > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > =============== ==== > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Without getting entangled in the 'duniyadari' of this thread, > Jha_ji, > > > > I have always been somewhat concerned by these labels that Indian > > > > Astrologers have imposed on Jyotish! > > > > > > > > > > Hindu Astrology, Vedic Astrology, Vaidik Astrology, Indian > Astrology > > > > ...! > > > > > > > > > > When can we ALL come together and decide that Jyotish should be > called > > > > simply JYOTISH! > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps once it finds its original name, all these skirmishes > and > > > > confusions decimate! > > > > > > > > > > And they say: What's in a name! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > To All Concerned : > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Abhijit simply enquired about the " Vedic " way of > calculating > > > > > > exaltation. It is a forum of " vedic " astrology, hence he was > quite > > > > right > > > > > > in asking such a question. The methods used by so-called > " vedic " > > > > > > astrologers are supposed to be vedic methods, whether these > methods > > > > are > > > > > > inside or outside the Vedas. Mr Abhijit had not abused anyone > to > > > > receive > > > > > > insulting remarks by Mr Raj Bhardwaj. The latter is on an > abusing > > > > spree > > > > > > and needs some restraint. There are stringent cyber laws > against > > > > abusive > > > > > > emails and there are programs to locate the sender. > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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