Justification of Divisional Longitudes (Transit of Nakshatra..)

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The paragraph you quoted specifically talks about " planets " . There is another

paragraph right below it for lagna.

 

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vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Busy persons sometimes make incomplete statements which may induce the

> readers to make erroneous conclusions. This time, PVR does so :

>

> " Exact longitude and latitude of birthplace does not affect the

> geocentric longitudes of planets. A few minutes of error in the

> birthtime changes the D-60 divisional longitudes of planets, other than

> Moon, by only a few arc-min. So it is a non-issue. In case of Moon, his

> D-60 divisional longitude can change by upto a deg if birthtime is off

> by a minute. "

>

> Daily motion of distant planets is small as compared to Moon. Hence,

> PVR's statement is correct. But he forgot that Lagna changes very

> quickly. On the average, half a degree of error in longitude of

> birthplace makes nearly half a degree of error in Lagna and the

> consequent error in first house of D60 is of 30 degrees ! Similarly, on

> an average one raashi in Lagna lasts for two hours, which means two

> minutes of error in birthtime causes an error of half a degree error in

> Lagna and 30 degrees of error in D60. On the average, 15 degrees of

> error will cause a change of one raashi in D60. Hence, birthtime must

> not have an inaccuracy of above one minute at most. If we take into

> account observational inaccuracies in birthtime, we must strive to have

> even a much smaller inaccuracy in birthtime if we want a correct D60.

>

> Thus, although PVR was not wrong in what he wrote, neglecting the effect

> on Lagna will mislead the readers.

>

> -Vinay Jha

> ================= ===

> vedic astrology , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Modern software has a precision of a few arc-sec in calculating the

> physical (D-1) longitudes of planets. Thus, D-60 longitudes have a

> precision of a few arc-min. If you see the kind of analysis I am doing,

> this is more than sufficient.

> >

> > Exact longitude and latitude of birthplace does not affect the

> geocentric longitudes of planets. A few minutes of error in the

> birthtime changes the D-60 divisional longitudes of planets, other than

> Moon, by only a few arc-min. So it is a non-issue. In case of Moon, his

> D-60 divisional longitude can change by upto a deg if birthtime is off

> by a minute.

> >

> > Thus, we can be reasonably confident of the D-60 divisional longitudes

> of planets other than Moon (and Moon too if we are confident of the

> birthtime).

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Lagna is quite sensitive and knowing the D-60 longitude (or even D-60

> sign) of lagna is difficult. What this means is that you need to rectify

> the chart with some events and verify with some more events, before you

> can rely on it.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > The remaining factor is ayanamsa. As a matter of fact, I did not make

> much headway in my research into divisional longitudes when I was using

> Lahiri ayanamsa. Only after I came up with Jagannatha ayanamsa (a

> variation of Lahiri ayanamsa which I finally revealed to the world in

> mid-2008), I started to make headway.

> >

> > A few arc-min of error in ayanamsa can change physical (D-1)

> longitudes of planets by a few arc-min and the divisional longitudes in

> D-60 by a few deg. That would be a problem.

> >

> > Unlike Lahiri ayanamsa and other ayanamsas based on *arbitrary* zero

> ayanamsa dates (i.e. there is scope for some adjustment), Jagannatha

> ayanamsa used by me is logically based on some rigid parameters.

> >

> > In Lahiri ayanamsa, start of the zodiac *fluctuates* around 180 deg

> from Chitra star. In Jagannatha ayanamsa, it is *fixed* at 180 deg from

> Chitra star at all times. Secondly, the 2-dimensional plane on which

> planets are projected for finding longitudes fluctuates in Lahiri

> ayanamsa and it is fixed in Jagannatha ayanamsa. In Lahiri ayanamsa, the

> planetary longitudes in birth chart and planetary longitudes in transit

> chart are projected on two *different* 2-dimensional planes. Correlating

> them as a part of transit analysis is like comparing apples and oranges.

> The points of, say, 12Vi30 in rasi chart and 12Vi30 in transit chart are

> based on projecting planets on two different planes and using slightly

> different points as the zero deg point! In Jagannatha ayanamsa, we take

> the mean Sun-earth plane (also known as Vishnu nabhi plane) that is

> fixed and the start of zodiac is fixed at 180 deg from Chitra star's

> projection on that plane. So natal chart and

> > transit charts are based on projecting the planetary longitudes onto

> the *same* 2-dimensional plane.

> >

> > In my opinion, Jagannatha ayanamsa is correct. It is very close to

> Lahiri ayanamsa, but differs in some important ways. As a result of

> these differences, it is logical, consistent and systematic. It is

> well-suited for unearthing specific and precise rules for correlating

> natal and transit longitudes, as these longitudes are based on the same

> plane and a consistent zero point. As the zero point and the plane

> fluctuate from one day to another with standard ayanamsas such as

> Lahiri, you are unlikely to find any consistent results.

> >

> > As a matter of fact, it was only based on several fine techniques

> depending on precise longitudes, such as divisional longitude based

> transits and Tithi Pravesha, that I got confidence in Jagannatha

> ayanamsa during my early research!

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

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> > , " a_violet_in_twilight "

> a_violet_in_twilight@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > Thank you for the explanation of divisional longitudes. However, the

> following question still remains unanswered for me.

> > >

> > > How precisely should we know the longitude in D1 to get longitudes

> in higher divisions than D60? Is it really possible by the measurement

> standards we have?

> > >

> > > For example, 30 min in D1 will be one rasi (or 30 deg) in D60. From

> your explanation below, it means to know up to 1 deg precision in D60,

> we must to know longitude up to 1 min precision in D1. Then we need to

> know longitudes in D1 with increasing precision to get minutes and

> seconds for longitudes in D60 or higher.

> > >

> > > Is it possible in reality given the variations in birth location,

> and time? Can we reliably measure up to a second or a fraction of second

> precision in D1 longitudes?

> > >

> > > I would greatly appreciate your comments on the above.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > SK

> > >

> > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste friends,

> > > >

> > > > Parasara mentioned planets in exaltation in divisional charts.

> Even in tradition, we consider it. For example, a planet that is

> debilitated in rasi and exalted in navamsa is considered to have neecha

> bhanga.

> > > >

> > > > How can one define exaltation of a planet in a divisional chart,

> without having the concept of longitude in the divisional chart???

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately, people use many approximations to the teachings of

> rishis today. They assume that planets are exalted in entire signs. But

> that is NOT what Parasara taught. Moon is in exaltation only in the

> first 3 deg of Taurus and not entire Taurus. Mercury is in exaltation

> only the first 15 deg of Virgo and not entire Virgo.

> > > >

> > > > In order to see if Moon or Mercury is in exaltation in navamsa or

> another divisional chart, one MUST know the longitude of the planet in

> that divisional chart. It is not enough to know that Moon is in Taurus.

> One needs to know if he is in the first 3 deg of Taurus! If there is

> nothing called divisional longitudes, one cannot talk about exaltation

> of planets in divisional charts such as navamsa.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > When teaching the special graha drishtis based on " bhavas " ,

> Parasara taught that Mars has full aspect on 4th and 8th houses from

> him, Jupiter on 5th and 9th houses from him and Saturn on 3rd and 10th

> houses from him. Then he clarified further and gave clear formulas to

> quantify the extent of aspect from a planet on various points of the

> zodiac. The formulas clearly establish that 90-120 deg from Mars is the

> 4th house from Mars, 210-240 deg from Mars is the 8th house from Mars,

> 120-150 deg from Jupiter is the 5th house from Jupiter and so on.

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately, as I said before, people use many approximations to

> the teachings of rishis today. If Mars is at 27Ge43, they assume that

> 4th house from Mars is entire Virgo. But that is NOT what Parasara

> taught. If Mars is at 27Ge43, then 27Vi43-27Li42 is the 4th house from

> Mars.

> > > >

> > > > (Note: This also explains why Parasara recommended making separate

> bhava chakras from lagna, Sun, Moon etc. If entire signs are bhavas, one

> can make one chart and keep rotating it. There is no need to really make

> different charts. But, if house of a planet depends on the longitude of

> reference and longitude of planet, then it makes sense to make multiple

> charts and keep them handy.)

> > > >

> > > > Now, Parasara mentioned placement of planets in divisional charts

> in houses from various references. As a simple example, there is a

> reference to a planet placed in various divisions in a quadrant from

> " svaarudha " . As the 1st, 4th, 7th and 10th houses from a reference

> depend on its exact longitude, one cannot determine if Sun in D-9 or

> Moon in D-10 or Jupiter in D-12 is in a quadrant from " svaarudha " unless

> one knows the exact longitudes of Sun in D-9 or Moon in D-10 or Jupiter

> in D-12.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > When we say that Moon in navamsa is in Libra, it is not a special

> abstract Libra. It is the same Libra that was described by Parasara in

> the chapter on rasis. Planets of rasi chart are physical points in

> zodiac that can be correlated to physical objects. Planets of navamsa

> (and other divisional charts) may not have a physical representation,

> but they are abstract *points* that are placed at various positions in

> the same zodiac! If Moon in navamsa is in Libra, the question arises

> " where in Libra " .

> > > >

> > > > In fact, Parasara did not really teach making navamsa chart,

> dasamsa chart etc. He taught finding the " rasi Sun " , " rasi Sun " ,

> " navamsa Sun " , " navamsa Moon " , " dasamsa Sun " , " dasamsa Moon " etc as

> points in the zodiac containing 12 rasis.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > If one studies Parasara carefully or peruses the above pointers

> with intellectual honesty, one can see why divisional longitudes are

> justified and needed.

> > > >

> > > > Finding them is straight-forward. Suppose Moon is at 22Ar00

> physically, i.e. in rasi chart. As 20Ar00-23Ar20 is mapped to Libra in

> navamsa, Moon in navamsa is in Libra. As 3 deg 20 min of rasi chart is

> mapped to 30 deg in navamsa chart, each deg of rasi chart is mapped to 9

> deg in navamsa. Moon is advanced by 2 deg in the 3 deg 20 min physical

> arc of Aries that is mapped to Libra in navamsa. Multiplying by 9, he is

> at 18 deg in Libra.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Some people may be uncomfortable that this opens a lot of messy

> questions. For example, do we find AK based on longitudes in rasi chart

> only or use longitudes in divisional charts? Do we find nakshatras,

> sarvatobhadra chakra, nakshatra dasas etc based on longitudes in rasi

> chart only or use longitudes in divisional charts?

> > > >

> > > > If one does not think straight or research thoroughly, it is easy

> to draw wrong conclusions. There is no hurry to answer these questions.

> It is possible that nakshatras or chara karakas found based on a

> divisional chart have a subtler purpose but we need to find them based

> on rasi chart alone for the purposes we are used to.

> > > >

> > > > In any case, rejecting the concept of divisional longitudes

> altogether because there are some unresolved and complicated questions

> that perhaps need more study, is akin to placing the cart before the

> bullock. It should be the other way around. If there is clear

> justification for divisional longitudes, accept them first and then

> consider the questions that rise and try to answer them.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Anybody who honestly studies the two research articles titled

> " Stationary Planets in Transit " and " Transit of Nakshatra Dasa Lord: A

> Specific Principle " has to wonder whether such specific *longitudinal*

> correlations between transiting planets in rasi chart and natal planets

> in *divisional* charts can be mere coincidences.

> > > >

> > > > Please note that I am not offering circumstantial evidence alone.

> In addition to this circumstantial evidence, I gave theoretical

> justification above.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > || OM TAT SAT ||

> > > > > Namaskar Narasimha,

> > > > >

> > > > > It is futile to use a car that has no steering, irrespective

> of how good the design is.

> > > > >

> > > > > The question here was how do you justify D-1800 (the 30

> longitudinal divisions of your D-60 chart in your software, that require

> 1800 divisions in Rashi chart) ? Actually your software divides D-144

> also in 30 parts so that is something like D-4320 - sounds more like an

> apartment number !

> > > > >

> > > > > Please defend that first. Who gave you that " scholarly " idea

> ?

> > > > > Has anybody ever heard of anything more than D-300 anyways ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Nitish

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Most charts used were rectified based on several events and

> several techniques. Of course, one has the right to remain skeptical.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Inquisitive students of Jyotish may note that the coincidences

> are too good to be random. If you look carefully, multiple events are

> used with several charts in the examples. If you think that D-60 lagna

> was doctored for one exmaple, what about the others based on the same

> chart?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For example, examples 10, 22 and 23 use the same chart. The

> native of the chart is a famous astrology savant and the D-60 lagna was

> rectified by him (and me too). Isn't it very interesting that the dasa

> lord closely aspected the D-60 longitude of a planet with a strong link

> to the 7th house by less than 1 deg at the time of his marriage and

> closely aspected the D-60 longitudes of two planets having a strong link

> to the 5th house by 2 deg at the time of birth of both his children? A

> very close aspect on vital planets by dasa lord at the time of 3

> important events! I have shown such close correlations in several

> examples.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my personal opinion, the last two articles on the transit

> of stationary planets and dasa lord's transit are my best contributions

> to Jyotish research.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In any case, I am not here to sell anything. For a while, I

> will defend my work as a scholar. After that, I will move on. Whether

> some fruits will come from this seed I sowed or not and who enjoys the

> fruits does not concern me, as it is not in my hands. As I said at the

> end of the article, " If you like this knowledge, please feel free to

> refine it, use it and spread it. If not, please leave it. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those interested in the article may download the FREE PDF at:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://VedicAstrologer.org/articles

> > > > > > " Transit of Nakshatra Dasa Lord: A Specific Principle "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I gave multiple examples of each type of event (e.g. marriage,

> childbirth, going abroad etc). As I gave Ramana Maharshi's realization

> of Self as an example, I wanted to give another example that uses the

> same parameters, to demonstrate consistency like with other events.

> While the dates when yogis like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swami

> Vivekananda, Swami Sivananda, Aurobindo etc realized Self are not known,

> I happened to have that data for a contemporary yogi who happened to

> reach Nirvikalpa samadhi and have his permission to share his birthdata.

> Hence I shared that example. I gave the theoretical definition of

> Nirvikalpa samadhi as some Jyotish students may not know the term. Looks

> like there is a lot of discussion on that definition rather than the

> Jyotish content of my research article.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Self is indescribable and so is realization of Self. However,

> it is not without a reason that rishis attempted to describe concepts

> and things associated with it. Though theoretical discussions are

> neither necessary not sufficient for Self-realization, they can be

> helpful to some seekers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, instead of using a list dedicated to Jyotish for

> discussing varieties of samadhi and what they mean, I invite anybody

> interested in a discussion to join where I

> discuss matters related to spirituality in depth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Agreed, Studies based on unconfirmed birth charts, applying

> finer D

> > > > > > > charts could be misleading.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " yeeahoo_99 "

> <nitish.arya@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT ||

> > > > > > > > Namaskar Narasimha,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Am afraid that your article lacks scriptural authority and

> proper

> > > > > > > analysis. It is based on your unexplained " longitudes of

> planets in

> > > > > > > divisional charts " that looks like more of a mathematical

> gimmick than a

> > > > > > > REALITY.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Essentially, You are attempting to divide what is already

> a division

> > > > > > > and exists as a unit (Shastyamsa). And then comparing it

> with what

> > > > > > > actually exists, i.e. longitude of a planet in Transit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What it really means (am not counting the seconds part,

> just the 30

> > > > > > > imaginative degrees of divisional longitudes your software

> shows) is

> > > > > > > that you are talking about a subdivision which is 1/30th of

> the D-60

> > > > > > > division, i.e. D-1800.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > While on one hand, you write in your article that research

> is needed

> > > > > > > to completely unearth the significance of D-60, OTOH, you

> are pushing

> > > > > > > your rather misleading suggestion of " divisional longitudes

> of planets "

> > > > > > > i.e. D-1800. Doesn't that double-standard remind us of

> PoorvaBhadra

> > > > > > > constellation ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vivekananda wrote that Truth or true knowledge is never

> inconsistent

> > > > > > > with scriptures and analytic and inferential science. It is

> always an

> > > > > > > addition and not contradictory to existing true knowledge.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus, many of your research-things that are based on

> " divisional

> > > > > > > longitudes of planets " are not Jyotish but comparable to

> dark matter

> > > > > > > theory, which would never be found in REALITY!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is a bit of diversion I came across in your article.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > While I understand that you might not be familiar with

> yoga, your

> > > > > > > sanskrit knowledge is good by your own evaluation. In this

> view, here is

> > > > > > > an excerpt from your article:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Nirvikalpa Samadhi is a state where I-ness

> (individualized Self)

> > > > > > > merges back into Brahman/Aatman (undifferentiated Self or

> the Supreme

> > > > > > > Cosmic Essence) and all objectification and duality ceases.

> Observer,

> > > > > > > observed and observation merge into one, without any

> differentiation

> > > > > > > whatsoever.... "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If there is really no difference, Could you please

> illucidate why you

> > > > > > > won't use the specific term " Brahman-Sthiti " and instead use

> a

> > > > > > > non-positive connotation " Nirvikalpa Samadhi " ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Meanwhile, here is a helpful hint from the now

> better-known Yogi Sri

> > > > > > > Yukteswar Giri:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " As prophets are sent on earth to help men work out their

> physical

> > > > > > > karma, so I have been directed by God to serve on an astral

> planet as a

> > > > > > > savior, " Sri Yukteswar explained. " It is called Hiranyaloka

> or

> > > > > > > 'Illumined Astral Planet.'... No one can enter Hiranyaloka

> unless he has

> > > > > > > passed on earth beyond the state of sabikalpa samadhi into

> the higher

> > > > > > > state of nirbikalpa samadhi.... "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It implies that Nirbikalpa/Nirvikalpa is a high-spiritual

> state,

> > > > > > > nothing more than a passport to enter another high Astral

> Plane, and not

> > > > > > > equivalent to " Brahman-Sthithi " as You are stating.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you are convinced with the explanation of Sri

> Yukteswar, you

> > > > > > > needn't reply to this non-astrological diversion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards,

> > > > > > > > Nitish

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R.

> Rao " pvr@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Another research article on Jyotish is available for a

> free download

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > VedicAstrologer.org/articles

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The article is titled " Transit of Nakshatra Dasa Lord: A

> Specific

> > > > > > > Principle " . It contains an original principle that is simple

> and

> > > > > > > replicable, illustrated with 36 practical examples. A small

> excerpt from

> > > > > > > the beginning of the article is reproduced below.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ----------------------

> > > > > > > > > Introduction

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nakshatra dasas such as Vimsottari dasa are very

> important for

> > > > > > > timing events. Nakshatra dasa lord is a very important

> planet and he has

> > > > > > > a strong influence on the mind of a native at the time.

> Vedic

> > > > > > > Astrologers have traditionally used the nakshatra dasa

> lord's transit in

> > > > > > > various ways, e.g. houses occupied from natal Moon and natal

> lagna and

> > > > > > > aspects on natal positions in rasi chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I found an interesting correlation between the longitude

> of

> > > > > > > nakshatra dasa lord in transit and divisional longitudes of

> natal

> > > > > > > planets. I want to share a specific principle based on the

> correlation I

> > > > > > > found. Please note that this principle is not intended to

> replace the

> > > > > > > techniques that Vedic astrologers traditionally employ, but

> meant to

> > > > > > > augment them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Principle

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Maharshi Parasara defined 16 divisional charts. While

> mentioning the

> > > > > > > matters seen in each divisional chart, he said shashtyamsa

> (D-60) shows

> > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ' ¢ÃÆ'¢ €š

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> €š ¬ÃÆ'¯ ¿ ½. In the

> vimsopaka bala of dasa varga

> > > > > > > and shodasa varga, shashtyamsa is given a higher weightage

> than even the

> > > > > > > rasi chart. It seems like a key chart. The correlation I

> found between

> > > > > > > the longitude of nakshatra dasa lord in transit and

> longitudes of natal

> > > > > > > planets involves D-60.

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> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Happy New Year,

> > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> >

>