Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear all , I would be very grateful if some one could share a litle light on the connection between navamsha and profession . what i have heard is that we should always look at the lagna and the tenth house in the navamsha to see where can we find the blessings of god in profession , as there could be many professions we could do but we will get blessings of god , by seeing the houses first and tenth in the navamsha chart . - does that mee we dont see any other house or planet , even if there is a planet maybe in the ninth house or second house in the navamsha chart which could be stronger than any planet placed in the first or the tenth house of the navamsha chart, even in that case we should only see first and tenth i would be grateful if some one could share a little light on it with regards mahesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Mahesh, Navamsa is an important factor in determining profession, a native espouses in his/her life. Varahamihira's monumental work Brihat Jatak enunciates the matter in detail (vide Karmajeeva Adhyaya i.e Chapter 10 of BJ). First see the planet(s) occupying the 10th house from ascendant or radical Moon (whosoever is stronger). The natural attribute of occupant may clue the career. When there are two or more planets in 10th house, then see which planet has attained more degrees (i.e. at higher longitudes). If the said occupant is sambandhi (aspected or associated) with others grahas then foretell the profession by combination of planets (by the way, keeping in view the increasing vista of professions, it is quite difficult to exactly pin point the mode of career). However, If there is no planet in the 10th house, either from janma lagna or chandra lagna or surya lagna, then find the lord of the navamsa, occupied by 10th lord. Note that, here 10th house in navamsa chart is not advised; but to observe the lord of the navamsa, in which 10th lord of D1 tenants. If the (aforementioned) lord of the navamsa is Sun, then native joins a work associated with government, treasury, scents, gold, wool, medicines, etc. If the navamsa lord is Moon, then native adopts a work related to agriculture, watery products (i.e. milk, beverage, chemicals) and through working with women, etc. If the lord of the navamsa is Mars, then one espouses a profession associated with minerals, fire, weapons, adventures and physical strength (i.e. hunting, police, army). If the lord of the navamsa is Mercury, then source of earning through writing (clerical office work), mathematics, poetry and fine arts. If the lord of the navamsa is Jupiter, then native gets money from Brahmins (scholarly people, academicians etc.), priests, Gods, mining operations, consultations, and charities (NGOs). If lord of the navamsa is Venus, then one earns through gems, silver, trade of luxurious articles (boutique, beauty parlor, showbiz), cows, buffaloes, etc. If lord of the navamsa is Saturn, then native gets his bread through labouring, low deeds, carrying loads, and by ordinary craftsmanship. No doubt, navamsa lord, occupied by 10th lord is a useful methodology, yet, it is not the sole criterion and often times other factors modify the results. Despite, there is a school of thought that emphasizes more on house place of 10th lord. Say, 10th lord in 9th house shows profession related to academics, priesthood, advisory etc. 10th lord in 8th house gives work associated with insurance company, gynecology, secret agency, occult practice etc. 10th lord in 7th house suggests businessman, trade or travel agent. 10th lord in 6th house yields profession in law, medical sciences, and hospitals. 10th lord in 3rd house inclines one to join a profession in mass media, journalism, internet, or publications. But in these cases, lord of house (where 10th lord occupies) and karaka of the concerned profession should sambandhi (aspected/associated) with lord of 10th house. Besides above, janma lagna (natal ascendant), existence of other yogas, karma karka (Saturn) and atmakarka (AK) do play a vital role in making and shaping one's profession. For example, the rasi and navamsa, occupied by karma karaka Saturn often indicates the nature of profession. Similarly, the navamsa placement of atmakaraka (i.e. the sign where AK falls in D9) unearths the innate inclination of work. Sincerely, M. Imran http://astroimran.blogspot.com/ vedic astrology , " mahesh_pangtey " <mahesh.pangtey wrote: > > > Dear all , > > I would be very grateful if some one could share a litle light on the connection between navamsha and profession . > > what i have heard is that we should always look at the lagna and the tenth house in the navamsha to see where can we find the blessings of god in profession , as there could be many professions we could do but we will get blessings of god , by seeing the houses first and tenth in the navamsha chart . > > > - does that mee we dont see any other house or planet , even if there is a planet maybe in the ninth house or second house in the navamsha chart which could be stronger than any planet placed in the first or the tenth house of the navamsha chart, even in that case we should only see first and tenth > > i would be grateful if some one could share a little light on it > with regards > > mahesh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear all, This is a case study I found on the web. Plesae discuss. regards, Kishore patnaik Using the Navamsha to find the Career Profile *In-charge Medical Assistant and Public Health Clinician* ------------------------------ [image: Environmental attorney and corporate manager] *Physician Assistant and Public Health Clinician<http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/Vocation/voc3_public_health.htm> * ------------------------------ *D-1 *dimensions of the personality and career environment: - 10th radix - D-1 tenth lord = *uccha Shani *= public service, high leadership, social justice - The 10th radix must be empowered to create a public figure. This native is not famous; despite exaltation, Shani is not strong enough. - Strong graha in house-10 = native becomes *well known to the public*. Native is not well-known having only a local reputation; Surya is weak in Kumbha. - 7th radix - 10th-from-10th = Vrischikha, shows another part of the career environment: a defining set of interpersonal, healing and secret-keeping relationships. - L-7 Kuja although strong by rashi is plunged into the sanctuary space of domain-12. Most of the native's relationships are based in hospital work. First spouse = hospital surgeon. - Lagna - 1st radix - No graha in lagna. Reduced charisma, reduced attention to the social personality. ------------------------------ Navamsha considerations for career: Navamsha lagna is called " swamsha " , " the soul's portion " . The native's soul-level identity, and the life passions which flow naturally from that identity, may be read through the navamsha lagna and its associations ------------------------------ *Tenth navamsha = Meena = lord Guru* In general terms, when Guru = lord of the 10th navamsha, the native works in a profession which appeals to or is necessary for education and *comprehensive well-being* of humanity. Brihaspati as lord of 10th navamsha is associated with global education, world travel, religious rituals, meditation centers, sanctuaries of learning, social privilege of a priestly caste, teaching guru, and advancement of spiritual wisdom through international temple network. Guru's qualities in radix will fine-tune this destiny educate and enlighten humanity through some variety of teaching service. In Medical Assistant's radix, - *L-8/L-11 Guru in domain-2 *= family (native does family medicine), values (much of the professional role is counseling on lifestyle values), food (counseling on food & diet is a major activity) and speech ( the native talks constantly on the job). - *Meena* = children (family medicine with large pediatric clientele), imagination, and sanctuary -*- native provides a safe space to discuss sensitive health matters* ------------------------------ Medical assistant's navamsha lagna = important interior self-image traits: - Mrigashira nakshatra<http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/Nakshatras/05mrigashira.htm>in navamsha lagna = ruled by Mangala = very social, inquisitive, deer-like sensing - excellent for sensitive patient interactions - *lord of navamsha lagna = Budha* = karaka for conversation and record-keeping. Budha = talking to people - all day! Graha in navamsha lagna strength the native's sense of personal service destiny, shaping a strong spiritual personality: - *Rahu in navamsha lagna* = Mithuna = a powerfully amplified conversational passion for " pushing the envelope " in extreme interview conditions. *Challenging the cultural boundaries* of exchanging personal information. Medical appointments are very intimate and complex. - radix *L-7/L-12 Kuja* in navamsha lagna = advising relationships, sanctuary/safe space/hospital - radix *L-8/L-11 Guru* in navamsha lagna = generosity of spirit, surgery & secret, confidential information (L-8), community service and broad network of friendships (L-11) - radix *L-9/L-10 Shani *in navamsha lagna = professional dignity, priestly privilege (medical caste) Total effect from navamsha = highly empowered *conversational* ability in a *child-and-family sanctuary/safe space.* Shani is also in navamsha lagna - a very deep, astral level of personality identification with a *medical " guru " *career. She *gives advice (Mithuna) to medical patients* (Shani, Shukra) all day. ------------------------------ Look to radix for the *material outcome* of the *soul's passion **(swamsha<http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/Topics/navamsha_swamsha.htm> ):* - The specific *medical professional identification* comes from Radix uccha L-10 Shani in *domain-6* in parivartana yoga<http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/Topics/Parivartan.htm>with *lagnesha Shukra *in domain-9. - *L-2/L-5 Budha* with Shukra *participates in the parivartana* effect that creates an interchange between L-9/L-10 Shani and L-1/L-6 Shukra - The native has a *powerful urge to speak* as a *medical authority*(Budha, L-9 Shani) - Vargottama Mithuna Budha keeps *career confidence* high and *keeps the speech flowing*. - Native is a *skillful and driven communicator * - Mithuna navamsha lagna with many tenant graha - Mithuna controls house-2 of speech in radix. - However ------------------------------ *Career physical & social environment* - *Linked from Guru lord of 10th navamsha, Radix Mithuna* provides the career physical environment of *conversation, advising, record-keeping, commerce *(selling of medical services)* customer service.* - Importantly, *Guru = yuti Ketu and L-11 Chandra* in Radix . - The environment = *community-based* = L-11 Chandra, national network of low-income medical clinics. - The environment = *mother-*and*-child, + food/feeding *and* nutrition*focused = Moon - Liability: The environment is *confused about boundaries = Ketu* - Due to Ketu's confusing, boundary-erasing power, the native has represented herself as holding the more authoritative rank of physician. - Work scheduling boundaries are also blurry, with the native receiving clinic calls at home, making unapproved house calls, and generally not recognizing the limits of the work day or job description. - Usually, due to protective Guru, Ketu-related professional infractions are not punished. ------------------------------ *Evidence of Navamsha's importance in career identification:* Normally a career evaluation would not consider domain-2 as a central component of the professional profile. Guru's agenda from Radix Domain-2 indicates family, food, finance, values and traditions. Radix Domain-2 is a major factor in analysis of family of origin, bank account, conserved wealth, and historical record-keeping. However profession and public reputation are normally separate considerations from food, family, and traditional values. Even if Surya is considered a career karaka, the implication for Surya in domain-10 would not be medical clinic examination and patient advising. Weakened Surya in domain-10 in Kumbha might indicate a corporate bureaucrat, a science worker, or a fraudulent leader.. Only when Budha's role as lord of navamsha is considered, along with Guru's wisdom-granting influence as navamsha L-10, does the profile of a busy family-and-community medical advisor and patient record producer, start to emerge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear imran, thank u very much for writing on navamsha and profession .iam ever grateful well what that means is that u would lay more emphasis on the tenth from lagna , chandra and surya lagna , and rather on the lord of the tenth house of lagna kundli in the navamsha chart and its lord there in . but i wanted to know , and i would request others also to pl write in on the topic , which woud help analyse its impact . what is the order of precedense while judjing profession . 1. lagna , surya and chandra lagna 2. lord ship of tenth from lagna , surya and chandra lagna . 3. navamsha - should we only check strength or the first and the tenth lord or the tenth lords strength and placement in the navamsha . 4. d- 10 chart what do we look at here . how about instances where a person could have a skill set of a very good painter , but he gets the job of being a singer or a dancer , where in further he actually makes more money in singing rather than dancing . what i was told is that this is the order :- 1. to see skill set look at trines of navamsha 2. then look at oppurtuniy from D 10 3. and then look at gods blessing in navamsha by this logic , it implies that the most important thing is navamsha , coz this will help us identify where lies , gods blessings , which then would entail that it , should be given highest significance . for eg :- 1. navamsha says - skill for painting , singing and dancing 2. D -10 - saya will get opputunity in on dancing and singing 3. navamsha says gods blessing in dancing . but does the above priciple work this way . i would request al to pour in a light in this topic with regards mahesh On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:37 PM, astroimran <astroimran wrote: > > > Dear Mahesh, > > Navamsa is an important factor in determining profession, a native espouses > in his/her life. Varahamihira's monumental work Brihat Jatak enunciates the > matter in detail (vide Karmajeeva Adhyaya i.e Chapter 10 of BJ). > > First see the planet(s) occupying the 10th house from ascendant or radical > Moon (whosoever is stronger). The natural attribute of occupant may clue the > career. When there are two or more planets in 10th house, then see which > planet has attained more degrees (i.e. at higher longitudes). If the said > occupant is sambandhi (aspected or associated) with others grahas then > foretell the profession by combination of planets (by the way, keeping in > view the increasing vista of professions, it is quite difficult to exactly > pin point the mode of career). > > However, If there is no planet in the 10th house, either from janma lagna > or chandra lagna or surya lagna, then find the lord of the navamsa, occupied > by 10th lord. Note that, here 10th house in navamsa chart is not advised; > but to observe the lord of the navamsa, in which 10th lord of D1 tenants. > > If the (aforementioned) lord of the navamsa is Sun, then native joins a > work associated with government, treasury, scents, gold, wool, medicines, > etc. > > If the navamsa lord is Moon, then native adopts a work related to > agriculture, watery products (i.e. milk, beverage, chemicals) and through > working with women, etc. > > If the lord of the navamsa is Mars, then one espouses a profession > associated with minerals, fire, weapons, adventures and physical strength > (i.e. hunting, police, army). > > If the lord of the navamsa is Mercury, then source of earning through > writing (clerical office work), mathematics, poetry and fine arts. > > If the lord of the navamsa is Jupiter, then native gets money from Brahmins > (scholarly people, academicians etc.), priests, Gods, mining operations, > consultations, and charities (NGOs). > > If lord of the navamsa is Venus, then one earns through gems, silver, trade > of luxurious articles (boutique, beauty parlor, showbiz), cows, buffaloes, > etc. > > If lord of the navamsa is Saturn, then native gets his bread through > labouring, low deeds, carrying loads, and by ordinary craftsmanship. > > No doubt, navamsa lord, occupied by 10th lord is a useful methodology, yet, > it is not the sole criterion and often times other factors modify the > results. > > Despite, there is a school of thought that emphasizes more on house place > of 10th lord. Say, 10th lord in 9th house shows profession related to > academics, priesthood, advisory etc. 10th lord in 8th house gives work > associated with insurance company, gynecology, secret agency, occult > practice etc. 10th lord in 7th house suggests businessman, trade or travel > agent. 10th lord in 6th house yields profession in law, medical sciences, > and hospitals. 10th lord in 3rd house inclines one to join a profession in > mass media, journalism, internet, or publications. But in these cases, lord > of house (where 10th lord occupies) and karaka of the concerned profession > should sambandhi (aspected/associated) with lord of 10th house. > > Besides above, janma lagna (natal ascendant), existence of other yogas, > karma karka (Saturn) and atmakarka (AK) do play a vital role in making and > shaping one's profession. For example, the rasi and navamsa, occupied by > karma karaka Saturn often indicates the nature of profession. Similarly, the > navamsa placement of atmakaraka (i.e. the sign where AK falls in D9) > unearths the innate inclination of work. > > Sincerely, > M. Imran > > http://astroimran.blogspot.com/ > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > " mahesh_pangtey " <mahesh.pangtey wrote: > > > > > > Dear all , > > > > I would be very grateful if some one could share a litle light on the > connection between navamsha and profession . > > > > what i have heard is that we should always look at the lagna and the > tenth house in the navamsha to see where can we find the blessings of god in > profession , as there could be many professions we could do but we will get > blessings of god , by seeing the houses first and tenth in the navamsha > chart . > > > > > > - does that mee we dont see any other house or planet , even if there is > a planet maybe in the ninth house or second house in the navamsha chart > which could be stronger than any planet placed in the first or the tenth > house of the navamsha chart, even in that case we should only see first and > tenth > > > > i would be grateful if some one could share a little light on it > > with regards > > > > mahesh > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Mahesh, Well, it's not me, but Varahamihira, Mantreswara and Mahadeva who accentuated that lord of navamsa, occupied by lord of 10th house indicates source of one's livelihood. I've just replicated what these great sages advised in their astrological works. By the way, 10th house is not merely confined to determining career. It should also use to judge the religious deeds (e.g. Pilgrimage, Bathing in Sacred Rivers, Havan, Homa, Yagna, organizing religious ceremonies, deeds of charity/public utility etc). Almost all jyotish canons have thoroughly discussed this matter. Open any major jyotish work. But unfortunately, modern authors and teachers have neglected this aspect of 10th house. Anyway, coming to your main query: =============================================================== > what is the order of precedence while judging profession . > 1. lagna , surya and chandra lagna > > 2. lord ship of tenth from lagna , surya and chandra lagna . > > 3. navamsha - should we only check strength or the first and the tenth lord > or the tenth lords strength and placement in the navamsha . > > 4. d- 10 chart what do we look at here . =============================================================== Before constructing any list of priority, keep in mind that " analytical aspect of astrology " is NOT analogous to computer program, or algebra's BODMAS principle. Analysis is not a science but an art. Just like diagnosing the disease or forecasting the weather by keenly analyzing the numerous indications. It depends on the expert what methodology s/he adopts. Similarly, different astrological schools (whether ancient or modern) form/teach their own list of arguments. And it is not against the spirit of Jyotish in anyway. Lagna, Chandra Lagna, and Surya Lagna are three vertices of triangle that respectively rules body, mind and soul. Bepin Behari has beautifully explained this triangle and its deeper meaning. These three ascendants should consider for an integrated purpose and potential of life. However, 10th house from these three lagnas specifically highlights the innate tendencies of karma (work). But this criterion may result in three signs and their three lords. That is way, Varahamihira and later interpreters suggested that first note the stronger between three ascendants (lagna, Moon and Sun). And then foretell the results of 10th lord therefrom. My earlier reply stated the results. Your point 3 asks =============================================================== " navamsha - should we only check strength or the first and the tenth lord > or the tenth lords strength and placement in the navamsha " =============================================================== Navamsa is used for various purposes, including all three you asked. Supposed if someone is born with Taurus ascendant and 10th lord Saturn falls into Virgo navamsa, then a) It should be used to determine the type of profession by considering that 10th lord in the navamsa of Mercury (provided other powerful planets are not influencing the 10th house in D1). b) It should be used to find the strength of 10th lord (for all purpose). Since Saturn is in friendly sign in navamsa and hence strong. c) It should be used to extract the 12 kinds of amsas. Here for (hypothetical) Taurus lagna, 10th lord Saturn is in Virgo entails it is in Mantramsa and hence very favourable. d) It should be used to note the mode of deeds (saumaya or crura). Since Virgo is saumaya sign (provided Mercury is not afflicted by malefics) that's why native will carry out his work in pleasing, practical and agreeable way. e) It should be used to analyze what kind of effects Mercury dasa/antar my yield. Since Mercury automatically turned the navamsa dispositor of Saturn. f) It should also be used to independently read the placement of Saturn in navamsa chakra. That is, where Saturn is placed with respect to 7th house (in D9), 7th lord, UL etc. Because one of the (isolated) usage of navamsa is marriage. g) It should also be used to judge the effects of Saturn in Virgo navamsa, counting from karakamsa in D9. Reading planetary positions with respect to karakamsa in navamsa is spanning over different walks of life, including profession. Here, I've not listed the entire usage of navamsa. Yet, notice how multipurpose is a placement of planet in navamsa. You also inquired about the utility of dasamasa (D10). Yes it is important. However importance of damsama comes after navamsa. There are many useful articles, handouts and messages on astrological groups. Please peruse them. Your last question is pertaining to inborn skills and opportunities. The argument you forwarded is espoused by many including me that D9 reveals innate potential and D10 explains the opportunities. Despite, there is another criterion, I often practice. The rasi (sign) placement of planet(s) in D1 and various vargas indicate level of skills. Whereas the house placement of planet(s) in D1 and other concerned vargas shows opportunities. Suppose one is born with Venus in exaltation, own or friendly vargas in many D-Charts. But if Venus (or its dispositor) is not placed well or formed any yogas, in rasi and many D-charts, then native would be unable to accrue the due fruits despite having inborn skills. Hope this reply would sate your confusion, Sincerely, M. Imran http://astroimran.blogspot.com/ vedic astrology , mahesh pangtey <mahesh.pangtey wrote: > > Dear imran, > > thank u very much for writing on navamsha and profession .iam ever grateful > > > well what that means is that u would lay more emphasis on the tenth from > lagna , chandra and surya lagna , and rather on the lord of the tenth > house of lagna kundli in the navamsha chart and its lord there in . > > > but i wanted to know , and i would request others also to pl write in on the > topic , which woud help analyse its impact . > > > > what is the order of precedense while judjing profession . > > 1. lagna , surya and chandra lagna > > 2. lord ship of tenth from lagna , surya and chandra lagna . > > 3. navamsha - should we only check strength or the first and the tenth lord > or the tenth lords strength and placement in the navamsha . > > 4. d- 10 chart what do we look at here . > > > > > how about instances where a person could have a skill set of a very good > painter , but he gets the job of being a singer or a dancer , where in > further he actually makes more money in singing rather than dancing . > > > what i was told is that this is the order :- > > > 1. to see skill set look at trines of navamsha > > 2. then look at oppurtuniy from D 10 > > 3. and then look at gods blessing in navamsha > > by this logic , it implies that the most important thing is navamsha , coz > this will help us identify where lies , gods blessings , which then would > entail that it , should be given highest significance . > > > for eg :- > > 1. navamsha says - skill for painting , singing and dancing > 2. D -10 - saya will get opputunity in on dancing and singing > 3. navamsha says gods blessing in dancing . > > > but does the above priciple work this way . > > > > i would request al to pour in a light in this topic > > with regards > > mahesh > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:37 PM, astroimran <astroimran wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mahesh, > > > > Navamsa is an important factor in determining profession, a native espouses > > in his/her life. Varahamihira's monumental work Brihat Jatak enunciates the > > matter in detail (vide Karmajeeva Adhyaya i.e Chapter 10 of BJ). > > > > First see the planet(s) occupying the 10th house from ascendant or radical > > Moon (whosoever is stronger). The natural attribute of occupant may clue the > > career. When there are two or more planets in 10th house, then see which > > planet has attained more degrees (i.e. at higher longitudes). If the said > > occupant is sambandhi (aspected or associated) with others grahas then > > foretell the profession by combination of planets (by the way, keeping in > > view the increasing vista of professions, it is quite difficult to exactly > > pin point the mode of career). > > > > However, If there is no planet in the 10th house, either from janma lagna > > or chandra lagna or surya lagna, then find the lord of the navamsa, occupied > > by 10th lord. Note that, here 10th house in navamsa chart is not advised; > > but to observe the lord of the navamsa, in which 10th lord of D1 tenants. > > > > If the (aforementioned) lord of the navamsa is Sun, then native joins a > > work associated with government, treasury, scents, gold, wool, medicines, > > etc. > > > > If the navamsa lord is Moon, then native adopts a work related to > > agriculture, watery products (i.e. milk, beverage, chemicals) and through > > working with women, etc. > > > > If the lord of the navamsa is Mars, then one espouses a profession > > associated with minerals, fire, weapons, adventures and physical strength > > (i.e. hunting, police, army). > > > > If the lord of the navamsa is Mercury, then source of earning through > > writing (clerical office work), mathematics, poetry and fine arts. > > > > If the lord of the navamsa is Jupiter, then native gets money from Brahmins > > (scholarly people, academicians etc.), priests, Gods, mining operations, > > consultations, and charities (NGOs). > > > > If lord of the navamsa is Venus, then one earns through gems, silver, trade > > of luxurious articles (boutique, beauty parlor, showbiz), cows, buffaloes, > > etc. > > > > If lord of the navamsa is Saturn, then native gets his bread through > > labouring, low deeds, carrying loads, and by ordinary craftsmanship. > > > > No doubt, navamsa lord, occupied by 10th lord is a useful methodology, yet, > > it is not the sole criterion and often times other factors modify the > > results. > > > > Despite, there is a school of thought that emphasizes more on house place > > of 10th lord. Say, 10th lord in 9th house shows profession related to > > academics, priesthood, advisory etc. 10th lord in 8th house gives work > > associated with insurance company, gynecology, secret agency, occult > > practice etc. 10th lord in 7th house suggests businessman, trade or travel > > agent. 10th lord in 6th house yields profession in law, medical sciences, > > and hospitals. 10th lord in 3rd house inclines one to join a profession in > > mass media, journalism, internet, or publications. But in these cases, lord > > of house (where 10th lord occupies) and karaka of the concerned profession > > should sambandhi (aspected/associated) with lord of 10th house. > > > > Besides above, janma lagna (natal ascendant), existence of other yogas, > > karma karka (Saturn) and atmakarka (AK) do play a vital role in making and > > shaping one's profession. For example, the rasi and navamsa, occupied by > > karma karaka Saturn often indicates the nature of profession. Similarly, the > > navamsa placement of atmakaraka (i.e. the sign where AK falls in D9) > > unearths the innate inclination of work. > > > > Sincerely, > > M. Imran > > > > http://astroimran.blogspot.com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Dear imran , thank u for writing in its always a pleasure reading your mails . i was going throug your blog http://astroimran.blogspot.com/ , very interesting , i really appreciate your efforts . iam trying to research on the writings u sent me . i will write in regards mahesh On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:36 PM, astroimran <astroimran wrote: > > > Dear Mahesh, > > Well, it's not me, but Varahamihira, Mantreswara and Mahadeva who > accentuated that lord of navamsa, occupied by lord of 10th house indicates > source of one's livelihood. I've just replicated what these great sages > advised in their astrological works. > > By the way, 10th house is not merely confined to determining career. It > should also use to judge the religious deeds (e.g. Pilgrimage, Bathing in > Sacred Rivers, Havan, Homa, Yagna, organizing religious ceremonies, deeds of > charity/public utility etc). Almost all jyotish canons have thoroughly > discussed this matter. Open any major jyotish work. But unfortunately, > modern authors and teachers have neglected this aspect of 10th house. > > Anyway, coming to your main query: > > =============================================================== > > what is the order of precedence while judging profession . > > > > 1. lagna , surya and chandra lagna > > > > 2. lord ship of tenth from lagna , surya and chandra lagna . > > > > 3. navamsha - should we only check strength or the first and the tenth > lord > > or the tenth lords strength and placement in the navamsha . > > > > 4. d- 10 chart what do we look at here . > =============================================================== > > Before constructing any list of priority, keep in mind that " analytical > aspect of astrology " is NOT analogous to computer program, or algebra's > BODMAS principle. Analysis is not a science but an art. Just like diagnosing > the disease or forecasting the weather by keenly analyzing the numerous > indications. It depends on the expert what methodology s/he adopts. > Similarly, different astrological schools (whether ancient or modern) > form/teach their own list of arguments. And it is not against the spirit of > Jyotish in anyway. > > Lagna, Chandra Lagna, and Surya Lagna are three vertices of triangle that > respectively rules body, mind and soul. Bepin Behari has beautifully > explained this triangle and its deeper meaning. These three ascendants > should consider for an integrated purpose and potential of life. However, > 10th house from these three lagnas specifically highlights the innate > tendencies of karma (work). But this criterion may result in three signs and > their three lords. That is way, Varahamihira and later interpreters > suggested that first note the stronger between three ascendants (lagna, Moon > and Sun). And then foretell the results of 10th lord therefrom. My earlier > reply stated the results. > > Your point 3 asks > =============================================================== > > " navamsha - should we only check strength or the first and the tenth lord > > or the tenth lords strength and placement in the navamsha " > > =============================================================== > > Navamsa is used for various purposes, including all three you asked. > Supposed if someone is born with Taurus ascendant and 10th lord Saturn falls > into Virgo navamsa, then > > a) It should be used to determine the type of profession by considering > that 10th lord in the navamsa of Mercury (provided other powerful planets > are not influencing the 10th house in D1). > > b) It should be used to find the strength of 10th lord (for all purpose). > Since Saturn is in friendly sign in navamsa and hence strong. > > c) It should be used to extract the 12 kinds of amsas. Here for > (hypothetical) Taurus lagna, 10th lord Saturn is in Virgo entails it is in > Mantramsa and hence very favourable. > > d) It should be used to note the mode of deeds (saumaya or crura). Since > Virgo is saumaya sign (provided Mercury is not afflicted by malefics) that's > why native will carry out his work in pleasing, practical and agreeable way. > > e) It should be used to analyze what kind of effects Mercury dasa/antar my > yield. Since Mercury automatically turned the navamsa dispositor of Saturn. > > f) It should also be used to independently read the placement of Saturn in > navamsa chakra. That is, where Saturn is placed with respect to 7th house > (in D9), 7th lord, UL etc. Because one of the (isolated) usage of navamsa is > marriage. > > g) It should also be used to judge the effects of Saturn in Virgo navamsa, > counting from karakamsa in D9. Reading planetary positions with respect to > karakamsa in navamsa is spanning over different walks of life, including > profession. > > Here, I've not listed the entire usage of navamsa. Yet, notice how > multipurpose is a placement of planet in navamsa. > > You also inquired about the utility of dasamasa (D10). Yes it is important. > However importance of damsama comes after navamsa. There are many useful > articles, handouts and messages on astrological groups. Please peruse them. > > Your last question is pertaining to inborn skills and opportunities. The > argument you forwarded is espoused by many including me that D9 reveals > innate potential and D10 explains the opportunities. > > Despite, there is another criterion, I often practice. The rasi (sign) > placement of planet(s) in D1 and various vargas indicate level of skills. > Whereas the house placement of planet(s) in D1 and other concerned vargas > shows opportunities. Suppose one is born with Venus in exaltation, own or > friendly vargas in many D-Charts. But if Venus (or its dispositor) is not > placed well or formed any yogas, in rasi and many D-charts, then native > would be unable to accrue the due fruits despite having inborn skills. > > Hope this reply would sate your confusion, > > > Sincerely, > M. Imran > http://astroimran.blogspot.com/ > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > mahesh pangtey <mahesh.pangtey wrote: > > > > Dear imran, > > > > thank u very much for writing on navamsha and profession .iam ever > grateful > > > > > > well what that means is that u would lay more emphasis on the tenth from > > lagna , chandra and surya lagna , and rather on the lord of the tenth > > house of lagna kundli in the navamsha chart and its lord there in . > > > > > > but i wanted to know , and i would request others also to pl write in on > the > > topic , which woud help analyse its impact . > > > > > > > > what is the order of precedense while judjing profession . > > > > 1. lagna , surya and chandra lagna > > > > 2. lord ship of tenth from lagna , surya and chandra lagna . > > > > 3. navamsha - should we only check strength or the first and the tenth > lord > > or the tenth lords strength and placement in the navamsha . > > > > 4. d- 10 chart what do we look at here . > > > > > > > > > > how about instances where a person could have a skill set of a very good > > painter , but he gets the job of being a singer or a dancer , where in > > further he actually makes more money in singing rather than dancing . > > > > > > what i was told is that this is the order :- > > > > > > 1. to see skill set look at trines of navamsha > > > > 2. then look at oppurtuniy from D 10 > > > > 3. and then look at gods blessing in navamsha > > > > by this logic , it implies that the most important thing is navamsha , > coz > > this will help us identify where lies , gods blessings , which then would > > entail that it , should be given highest significance . > > > > > > for eg :- > > > > 1. navamsha says - skill for painting , singing and dancing > > 2. D -10 - saya will get opputunity in on dancing and singing > > 3. navamsha says gods blessing in dancing . > > > > > > but does the above priciple work this way . > > > > > > > > i would request al to pour in a light in this topic > > > > with regards > > > > mahesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:37 PM, astroimran <astroimran wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mahesh, > > > > > > Navamsa is an important factor in determining profession, a native > espouses > > > in his/her life. Varahamihira's monumental work Brihat Jatak enunciates > the > > > matter in detail (vide Karmajeeva Adhyaya i.e Chapter 10 of BJ). > > > > > > First see the planet(s) occupying the 10th house from ascendant or > radical > > > Moon (whosoever is stronger). The natural attribute of occupant may > clue the > > > career. When there are two or more planets in 10th house, then see > which > > > planet has attained more degrees (i.e. at higher longitudes). If the > said > > > occupant is sambandhi (aspected or associated) with others grahas then > > > foretell the profession by combination of planets (by the way, keeping > in > > > view the increasing vista of professions, it is quite difficult to > exactly > > > pin point the mode of career). > > > > > > However, If there is no planet in the 10th house, either from janma > lagna > > > or chandra lagna or surya lagna, then find the lord of the navamsa, > occupied > > > by 10th lord. Note that, here 10th house in navamsa chart is not > advised; > > > but to observe the lord of the navamsa, in which 10th lord of D1 > tenants. > > > > > > If the (aforementioned) lord of the navamsa is Sun, then native joins a > > > work associated with government, treasury, scents, gold, wool, > medicines, > > > etc. > > > > > > If the navamsa lord is Moon, then native adopts a work related to > > > agriculture, watery products (i.e. milk, beverage, chemicals) and > through > > > working with women, etc. > > > > > > If the lord of the navamsa is Mars, then one espouses a profession > > > associated with minerals, fire, weapons, adventures and physical > strength > > > (i.e. hunting, police, army). > > > > > > If the lord of the navamsa is Mercury, then source of earning through > > > writing (clerical office work), mathematics, poetry and fine arts. > > > > > > If the lord of the navamsa is Jupiter, then native gets money from > Brahmins > > > (scholarly people, academicians etc.), priests, Gods, mining > operations, > > > consultations, and charities (NGOs). > > > > > > If lord of the navamsa is Venus, then one earns through gems, silver, > trade > > > of luxurious articles (boutique, beauty parlor, showbiz), cows, > buffaloes, > > > etc. > > > > > > If lord of the navamsa is Saturn, then native gets his bread through > > > labouring, low deeds, carrying loads, and by ordinary craftsmanship. > > > > > > No doubt, navamsa lord, occupied by 10th lord is a useful methodology, > yet, > > > it is not the sole criterion and often times other factors modify the > > > results. > > > > > > Despite, there is a school of thought that emphasizes more on house > place > > > of 10th lord. Say, 10th lord in 9th house shows profession related to > > > academics, priesthood, advisory etc. 10th lord in 8th house gives work > > > associated with insurance company, gynecology, secret agency, occult > > > practice etc. 10th lord in 7th house suggests businessman, trade or > travel > > > agent. 10th lord in 6th house yields profession in law, medical > sciences, > > > and hospitals. 10th lord in 3rd house inclines one to join a profession > in > > > mass media, journalism, internet, or publications. But in these cases, > lord > > > of house (where 10th lord occupies) and karaka of the concerned > profession > > > should sambandhi (aspected/associated) with lord of 10th house. > > > > > > Besides above, janma lagna (natal ascendant), existence of other yogas, > > > karma karka (Saturn) and atmakarka (AK) do play a vital role in making > and > > > shaping one's profession. For example, the rasi and navamsa, occupied > by > > > karma karaka Saturn often indicates the nature of profession. > Similarly, the > > > navamsa placement of atmakaraka (i.e. the sign where AK falls in D9) > > > unearths the innate inclination of work. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > M. Imran > > > > > > http://astroimran.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Thanks Mahesh for appreciating. Comments and criticism always help me to learn more and more. And, learning is an infinite journey, I believe. Sincerely, Imran vedic astrology , mahesh pangtey <mahesh.pangtey wrote: > > Dear imran , > > thank u for writing in its always a pleasure reading your mails . > > i was going throug your blog http://astroimran.blogspot.com/ , very > interesting , i really appreciate your efforts . > > > iam trying to research on the writings u sent me . > > > i will write in > > regards > > mahesh > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:36 PM, astroimran <astroimran wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mahesh, > > > > Well, it's not me, but Varahamihira, Mantreswara and Mahadeva who > > accentuated that lord of navamsa, occupied by lord of 10th house indicates > > source of one's livelihood. I've just replicated what these great sages > > advised in their astrological works. > > > > By the way, 10th house is not merely confined to determining career. It > > should also use to judge the religious deeds (e.g. Pilgrimage, Bathing in > > Sacred Rivers, Havan, Homa, Yagna, organizing religious ceremonies, deeds of > > charity/public utility etc). Almost all jyotish canons have thoroughly > > discussed this matter. Open any major jyotish work. But unfortunately, > > modern authors and teachers have neglected this aspect of 10th house. > > > > Anyway, coming to your main query: > > > > =============================================================== > > > what is the order of precedence while judging profession . > > > > > > > 1. lagna , surya and chandra lagna > > > > > > 2. lord ship of tenth from lagna , surya and chandra lagna . > > > > > > 3. navamsha - should we only check strength or the first and the tenth > > lord > > > or the tenth lords strength and placement in the navamsha . > > > > > > 4. d- 10 chart what do we look at here . > > =============================================================== > > > > Before constructing any list of priority, keep in mind that " analytical > > aspect of astrology " is NOT analogous to computer program, or algebra's > > BODMAS principle. Analysis is not a science but an art. Just like diagnosing > > the disease or forecasting the weather by keenly analyzing the numerous > > indications. It depends on the expert what methodology s/he adopts. > > Similarly, different astrological schools (whether ancient or modern) > > form/teach their own list of arguments. And it is not against the spirit of > > Jyotish in anyway. > > > > Lagna, Chandra Lagna, and Surya Lagna are three vertices of triangle that > > respectively rules body, mind and soul. Bepin Behari has beautifully > > explained this triangle and its deeper meaning. These three ascendants > > should consider for an integrated purpose and potential of life. However, > > 10th house from these three lagnas specifically highlights the innate > > tendencies of karma (work). But this criterion may result in three signs and > > their three lords. That is way, Varahamihira and later interpreters > > suggested that first note the stronger between three ascendants (lagna, Moon > > and Sun). And then foretell the results of 10th lord therefrom. My earlier > > reply stated the results. > > > > Your point 3 asks > > =============================================================== > > > > " navamsha - should we only check strength or the first and the tenth lord > > > or the tenth lords strength and placement in the navamsha " > > > > =============================================================== > > > > Navamsa is used for various purposes, including all three you asked. > > Supposed if someone is born with Taurus ascendant and 10th lord Saturn falls > > into Virgo navamsa, then > > > > a) It should be used to determine the type of profession by considering > > that 10th lord in the navamsa of Mercury (provided other powerful planets > > are not influencing the 10th house in D1). > > > > b) It should be used to find the strength of 10th lord (for all purpose). > > Since Saturn is in friendly sign in navamsa and hence strong. > > > > c) It should be used to extract the 12 kinds of amsas. Here for > > (hypothetical) Taurus lagna, 10th lord Saturn is in Virgo entails it is in > > Mantramsa and hence very favourable. > > > > d) It should be used to note the mode of deeds (saumaya or crura). Since > > Virgo is saumaya sign (provided Mercury is not afflicted by malefics) that's > > why native will carry out his work in pleasing, practical and agreeable way. > > > > e) It should be used to analyze what kind of effects Mercury dasa/antar my > > yield. Since Mercury automatically turned the navamsa dispositor of Saturn. > > > > f) It should also be used to independently read the placement of Saturn in > > navamsa chakra. That is, where Saturn is placed with respect to 7th house > > (in D9), 7th lord, UL etc. Because one of the (isolated) usage of navamsa is > > marriage. > > > > g) It should also be used to judge the effects of Saturn in Virgo navamsa, > > counting from karakamsa in D9. Reading planetary positions with respect to > > karakamsa in navamsa is spanning over different walks of life, including > > profession. > > > > Here, I've not listed the entire usage of navamsa. Yet, notice how > > multipurpose is a placement of planet in navamsa. > > > > You also inquired about the utility of dasamasa (D10). Yes it is important. > > However importance of damsama comes after navamsa. There are many useful > > articles, handouts and messages on astrological groups. Please peruse them. > > > > Your last question is pertaining to inborn skills and opportunities. The > > argument you forwarded is espoused by many including me that D9 reveals > > innate potential and D10 explains the opportunities. > > > > Despite, there is another criterion, I often practice. The rasi (sign) > > placement of planet(s) in D1 and various vargas indicate level of skills. > > Whereas the house placement of planet(s) in D1 and other concerned vargas > > shows opportunities. Suppose one is born with Venus in exaltation, own or > > friendly vargas in many D-Charts. But if Venus (or its dispositor) is not > > placed well or formed any yogas, in rasi and many D-charts, then native > > would be unable to accrue the due fruits despite having inborn skills. > > > > Hope this reply would sate your confusion, > > > > > > Sincerely, > > M. Imran > > http://astroimran.blogspot.com/ > > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > > mahesh pangtey <mahesh.pangtey@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear imran, > > > > > > thank u very much for writing on navamsha and profession .iam ever > > grateful > > > > > > > > > well what that means is that u would lay more emphasis on the tenth from > > > lagna , chandra and surya lagna , and rather on the lord of the tenth > > > house of lagna kundli in the navamsha chart and its lord there in . > > > > > > > > > but i wanted to know , and i would request others also to pl write in on > > the > > > topic , which woud help analyse its impact . > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the order of precedense while judjing profession . > > > > > > 1. lagna , surya and chandra lagna > > > > > > 2. lord ship of tenth from lagna , surya and chandra lagna . > > > > > > 3. navamsha - should we only check strength or the first and the tenth > > lord > > > or the tenth lords strength and placement in the navamsha . > > > > > > 4. d- 10 chart what do we look at here . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how about instances where a person could have a skill set of a very good > > > painter , but he gets the job of being a singer or a dancer , where in > > > further he actually makes more money in singing rather than dancing . > > > > > > > > > what i was told is that this is the order :- > > > > > > > > > 1. to see skill set look at trines of navamsha > > > > > > 2. then look at oppurtuniy from D 10 > > > > > > 3. and then look at gods blessing in navamsha > > > > > > by this logic , it implies that the most important thing is navamsha , > > coz > > > this will help us identify where lies , gods blessings , which then would > > > entail that it , should be given highest significance . > > > > > > > > > for eg :- > > > > > > 1. navamsha says - skill for painting , singing and dancing > > > 2. D -10 - saya will get opputunity in on dancing and singing > > > 3. navamsha says gods blessing in dancing . > > > > > > > > > but does the above priciple work this way . > > > > > > > > > > > > i would request al to pour in a light in this topic > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > mahesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:37 PM, astroimran <astroimran@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mahesh, > > > > > > > > Navamsa is an important factor in determining profession, a native > > espouses > > > > in his/her life. Varahamihira's monumental work Brihat Jatak enunciates > > the > > > > matter in detail (vide Karmajeeva Adhyaya i.e Chapter 10 of BJ). > > > > > > > > First see the planet(s) occupying the 10th house from ascendant or > > radical > > > > Moon (whosoever is stronger). The natural attribute of occupant may > > clue the > > > > career. When there are two or more planets in 10th house, then see > > which > > > > planet has attained more degrees (i.e. at higher longitudes). If the > > said > > > > occupant is sambandhi (aspected or associated) with others grahas then > > > > foretell the profession by combination of planets (by the way, keeping > > in > > > > view the increasing vista of professions, it is quite difficult to > > exactly > > > > pin point the mode of career). > > > > > > > > However, If there is no planet in the 10th house, either from janma > > lagna > > > > or chandra lagna or surya lagna, then find the lord of the navamsa, > > occupied > > > > by 10th lord. Note that, here 10th house in navamsa chart is not > > advised; > > > > but to observe the lord of the navamsa, in which 10th lord of D1 > > tenants. > > > > > > > > If the (aforementioned) lord of the navamsa is Sun, then native joins a > > > > work associated with government, treasury, scents, gold, wool, > > medicines, > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > If the navamsa lord is Moon, then native adopts a work related to > > > > agriculture, watery products (i.e. milk, beverage, chemicals) and > > through > > > > working with women, etc. > > > > > > > > If the lord of the navamsa is Mars, then one espouses a profession > > > > associated with minerals, fire, weapons, adventures and physical > > strength > > > > (i.e. hunting, police, army). > > > > > > > > If the lord of the navamsa is Mercury, then source of earning through > > > > writing (clerical office work), mathematics, poetry and fine arts. > > > > > > > > If the lord of the navamsa is Jupiter, then native gets money from > > Brahmins > > > > (scholarly people, academicians etc.), priests, Gods, mining > > operations, > > > > consultations, and charities (NGOs). > > > > > > > > If lord of the navamsa is Venus, then one earns through gems, silver, > > trade > > > > of luxurious articles (boutique, beauty parlor, showbiz), cows, > > buffaloes, > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > If lord of the navamsa is Saturn, then native gets his bread through > > > > labouring, low deeds, carrying loads, and by ordinary craftsmanship. > > > > > > > > No doubt, navamsa lord, occupied by 10th lord is a useful methodology, > > yet, > > > > it is not the sole criterion and often times other factors modify the > > > > results. > > > > > > > > Despite, there is a school of thought that emphasizes more on house > > place > > > > of 10th lord. Say, 10th lord in 9th house shows profession related to > > > > academics, priesthood, advisory etc. 10th lord in 8th house gives work > > > > associated with insurance company, gynecology, secret agency, occult > > > > practice etc. 10th lord in 7th house suggests businessman, trade or > > travel > > > > agent. 10th lord in 6th house yields profession in law, medical > > sciences, > > > > and hospitals. 10th lord in 3rd house inclines one to join a profession > > in > > > > mass media, journalism, internet, or publications. But in these cases, > > lord > > > > of house (where 10th lord occupies) and karaka of the concerned > > profession > > > > should sambandhi (aspected/associated) with lord of 10th house. > > > > > > > > Besides above, janma lagna (natal ascendant), existence of other yogas, > > > > karma karka (Saturn) and atmakarka (AK) do play a vital role in making > > and > > > > shaping one's profession. For example, the rasi and navamsa, occupied > > by > > > > karma karaka Saturn often indicates the nature of profession. > > Similarly, the > > > > navamsa placement of atmakaraka (i.e. the sign where AK falls in D9) > > > > unearths the innate inclination of work. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > M. Imran > > > > > > > > http://astroimran.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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