Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Dear Mishraji, Namaskar! I am happy to learn that you are of the engineering profession. May I know the branch of engineering you belong to? Is astrology as simple as you have mentioned below? <It's as practical as my profession of engineering.> In engineering we can explain by theories and hypothesis almost everything.If predictive astrology is true why no body has discovered even a single of the fields and forces radiated by the planets to give the difference of characteristics from one to the other? If you have read something,about Maharsi Mahesh Yogi's literature they have even defined 'Atma' with the the help of the scientific theory of the 'unified field'. Is the science of astrology more secretive than the sectret of the Atma that no body has been able to find any scientific reason behind its reality? Please enlighten me. Regards, Hari Malla Astrology-Indo-Vaidik , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Dear Mr. Hari, > > Pls take it this way, physics got it's own base and chemistry got it's own, chemistry's basics is not applicable to physics, none of the branches of the science tries to read fate of one's life, life science is limited to study of genes which carries information about physic but astrology keeps information about physic as well as happenings of life like when a person wd get married, how wd be married life, when he wd meet accidents etc. > > In general, we can say that astrology is based on planet's movement across zodiac which is gochar or transit. > > It's as practical as my profession of engineering. > > But this great saviour of culture suffers from lack of authentic research data and absence of a regulatory body. > > Seeing the scope for business several people made their schools over internet with no proper study. > > Those who gets afflicted jup/weak jup lacks deep understanding of astrology. > > Goel ji, Narsimha, Srinadh etc are people whose Jup is either weak or bad, they must take care what they propose in public. > > Regards, > Lalit Mishra > > Astrology-Indo-Vaidik , " hari " <harimalla@> wrote: > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > namskar! I hve always wanted to know the scientific basis of astrology. When I read the following,I am curious to know if there is any scientific basis of the effects of planets in our lives. > > <We are not empty vessels .....we are committed to begin a new era for true vedic astrology> > > If there is no scientific basis, can it be true Vedic? Is Vedas not about the ultimate truth? When science has unfathomed secrets like radio waves and internets,why does the effects of planets remain unfathomed? Has science anything to say about the effects of particualr planets upon us? Why are the effects of Jupiter different from the effects of Mars? What are the differences in forces exerted by the two planets , just mentioned, upon the earth or upon us? To my knowledge very feeble gravitational force is the only force exerted by both the planets on the earth and nothing else.the raditaion they give are only the reflected light of thesun in a feeble way compared to the raditaion of the sun itself all day long. Please reply to my quory if there is any other force exerted by them, Mishraji and Goelji, both are welome to do so. If there is any diferent type of force please let me kow what they are? You may even mention if there is some different wavelenth of eletromagnetic waves, if these exist in a apprecialbe way.Thank you. If there is no proof of any difference between them in the type of field or force or even radiation from them,then let us not try to make fools of ourselves and other people who are just worried about the future. > > Regards, > > Hari Malla > > > > Astrology-Indo-Vaidik , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Goel Ji, > > > > > > You have done jyotish for some 30 - 40 years and seen growth of Sanjay > > > Rath and Narsimha, and for the reason that you also attach your identity > > > to SJC, you have broken most basic Jyotish principles in your effort to > > > support Narsimha but what did you get in the return, Have Narsimha or > > > Sanjay Rath or any body acknowledged you, any welcome response that you > > > got from them, No, It never happend and will never happen. > > > > > > They are clever people they know what's right and what's wrong, They > > > know that you have ridiculed basics of astrology in this reply, How ? > > > > > > Following Narsimha, you rushed to use SHAHTI-HAYANI DASA, but do you > > > know you are responding to we people, who are well read brahmins though > > > we are in technical domain, pls desist any such effort, they from SJC > > > w'd leave you alone when we w'd begin dissecting your age old study. > > > > > > Pls answer, where it's written that 9'th lord is killer, with Dhanu > > > Lagna, you get Sun as 9'th lord and that sits in lagna, Pls refer to > > > everything that you have studied in last 30-40 yrs and come back if you > > > ever find any support in any classics, you can call any body including > > > Sanjay Rath in your support. > > > > > > We are not empty vessels .....we are committed to begin a new era for > > > true vedic astrology. > > > > > > Pls ask a question to yourself why you are always seen in looser's camp, > > > why your judgement is very poor ? What's bad in your horoscope ? > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology-Indo-Vaidik , Gopal Goel > > > <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I do agree with the analysis of Mr.Narasimha . > > > > I may like following points to add : > > > > 1. Atmakarka Sun is Vargottama and placed in 2nd house > > > > from Navamsa Lagna. This makes a person deeply spiritual. > > > > Lagna Lord Jupiter occupies Navamsa Lagna. > > > > 2. BPHS tells us if Sun is in Lagna , SHAHTI-HAYANI DASA should > > > > also be applied (having a cycle of 60 years). > > > > In this dasa scheme Sun dasa was operative from March10,1899 > > > > to Maech 11, 1909.According to entry chart Sun was afflicted by all > > > > the four malefics-Saturn and Rahu in Lagna with natal Sun and > > > > Mars and ketu in 7th house. > > > > Thus this dasa proved fatal for him. > > > > 3. According to BPHS and Jaimini Sutra , the saints have Malefics in > > > 3/6 houses > > > > from Lagna and benefics from Lagna pada.Ketu is in 6th house from > > > Lagna and > > > > Jupiter ,Venus and Mercury are in 3/6 houses from ladna Pada. > > > > 4. IN those days Ista (birth time ) was given in Ghati and palas and > > > not > > > > according to watches. We should investigate and try to ascertain his > > > > birth Istha in Ghatis as given in his original nativity. > > > > > > > > I feel Capricorn Lagna with many rajyogas will suit to a rich person > > > and > > > > definitely not such a great saint and orator to whom knowledge dawned > > > > on account of blessings of Guru. Mark Atmakarka Sun is 9th lord and > > > placed > > > > in Lagna.Venus and Mercury in 2nd house indicates his oratory. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > > > " JyotishWritings " > > > JyotishWritings > > > > JyotishWritings > > > > Tue, 16 February, 2010 5:28:04 PM > > > > [JyotishWritings] Digest Number 29 > > > > > > > > Jyotish writings of P.V.R. Narasimha Rao > > > > Jyotish writings of P.V.R. Narasimha Rao > > > > Messages In This Digest (1 Message) > > > > > > > > 1. > > > > Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Narasimha PVR Rao View All > > > Topics | Create New Topic Message > > > > 1. > > > > Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > > > Posted by: " Narasimha PVR Rao " pvr@ pvr108 > > > > Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:44 pm (PST) > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami > > > Vivekanadajee, > > > > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than > > > wasting > > > > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > > > > > > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the > > > teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of > > > Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami > > > Vivekananda in my view). > > > > > > > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of > > > interest to astrologers. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails > > > saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not > > > have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > > > > > > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that > > > he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day > > > books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna > > > would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably > > > thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving > > > Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, > > > fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in > > > the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so > > > brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and > > > give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on > > > thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > > > > > > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points > > > on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise > > > principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I > > > will keep them for another day. > > > > > > > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a > > > powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > > > > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. > > > > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning > > > I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone > > > adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good > > > sadhaka with detachment.s > > > > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house > > > with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara > > > karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also > > > in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses > > > is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most > > > famous from his group and had great following. > > > > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a > > > close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. > > > That is not conducive to good marital life. > > > > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. > > > Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I > > > defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional > > > longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house > > > showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord > > > Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than > > > one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja > > > yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd > > > house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on > > > Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an > > > excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > > > > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict > > > lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. > > > Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord > > > of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in > > > D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > > > > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and > > > it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > > > > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I > > > shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives > > > Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > > > > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From > > > there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in > > > the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion > > > and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined > > > rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu > > > shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and > > > Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th > > > house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may > > > be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for > > > the weak minds. > > > > > > > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and > > > eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. > > > One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side > > > of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality > > > like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a > > > time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that > > > the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, > > > spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, > > > it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while > > > Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed > > > demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When > > > gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their > > > teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on > > > desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from > > > > place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a > > > specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived > > > at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the > > > same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. > > > > > > > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when > > > someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several > > > months back and did not get time then to do so. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With > > > Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). > > > I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an > > > interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the > > > birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime > > > is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami > > > Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book > > > clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please > > > note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local > > > mean time. > > > > > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone > > > actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain > > > common sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and > > > not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an > > > obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those > > > who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination > > > and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual > > > sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to > > > visions. > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference > > > between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 > > > of gives a small account of a few of my > > > experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can > > > make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard > > > on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person > > > who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can > > > understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, > > > it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in > > > this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I > > > see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in > > > your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It's a day that > > > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > > > > to your followers. > > > > > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > > > > you people. 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