Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Rohini Da, You have raised two good points. (1) Firstly, BPHS says nakshatra-based dashaas were universally accepted by " ancient sages " while other dashaas are not unanimously accepted ( " ... sarvaa na sammataa " ). Secondly, I was discussing only nakshatra-based dashaas like Vimshottari and Ashtottari. Among all nakshatra-based dashaas, only Vimshottari is unconditionally and universally applicable and all other dashaas are conditional. Thirdly, Vimshottari is the only dashaa system which I have found to be 100% accurate and 100% applicable in 100% cases I have examined throughout my life (provided the Ganita is Suryasiddhantic and birth-time is correct. But if physical astronomy is followed and solar year is used, then Vimshottari works only in a large majority of MD and probably half of AD, but fails to work properly in PD, SD and PranD). Can you name another dashaa system which is 100% accurate and 100% applicable in 100% cases?? I am not challenging you, I am only asking for your help in finding out any other dashaa system which is universally and unconditionally applicable. I have not researched on all dashaa systems and even my software is incomplete with respect to a lot of other dashaa systems. (2) I never stated Sage Parashara was the first Jyotishi. The paramount importance of Sage Parashara is due to opposite reason : he was the Last Jyotishi who was a Rishi as well. He was the last Jyotishi before the onset of Kaliyuga. Another reason behind his importance is that among all archaic (ie, Arsha or by Rishis) texts, Parashara's system is the most complete and workable system. Jaimini's work has survived only partially. Other extant texts are either incomplete or dubious, or by non-Rishis. -VJ ======================= == vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > You are absolutely right! Vimshottari has been stated as a GENERALLY-APPLICABLE dasa. However, it was not the ONLY general or UNCONDITIONAL dasa as recommended in BPHS :-) > > And in the poignant hints given around Ashtottari dasa, Parashara had referred to 'others' (sort of citing but without details). He has done that elsewhere in the treatise as well and this has reference to a post I read recently (one of the jyotish fora) where the impression was being given that Parashara was the FIRST jyotishi in the Universe. Obviously not true! > > But Vinay jee, you are well-versed in Hindu Scriptures and have devoted your life to these so you may perhaps know and wish to share (or not...!). WHO was the FIRST Jyotishi ...? > > Others may add their wisdom and experiences too, of course since this is a public forum. > > Happy Holi, even though for me I can only imagine and live through my memories of Holi! > > Rohiniranjan > > vedic astrology , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > A wrong interpretation of BPHS has been cited : > > > > <<< > > Out of the three dashas applicable at the time of birth, Vimshottari > > dasha should be applied for the births at night during Shukla Paksha and > > Ashtottari dasha for births during day in Krishna Paksha. In all other > > cases Yogini dasha gives results. > > >>> > > > > BPHS does not mention any condition for Vimshottari. It is wrong to > > guess that the conditions mentioned for Ashtottari can be used to deduce > > the remaining conditions for Vimshottari. Vimshottari is > > unconditionally and universally applicable in all cases. All other > > dashaas are conditional. > > > > -VJ > > ========================= === > > vedic astrology , " CARRIERE Francois " > > <yl.car.fr@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > «Out of the three dashas applicable at the time of birth, > > Vimshottari > > > > > dasha should be applied for the births at night during Shukla > > Paksha and > > > > > Ashtottari dasha for births during day in Krishna Paksha. In all > > other > > > > > cases Yogini dasha gives results.» Source: > > > > > http://www.vedicastro.com/yogini1.asp > > > > > > > It is a well-known rule given in Brihat Parashar Hora Shastra. It > > works > > > > very well. > > > > > > Thank you for your kind answer. Do you have the reference where I can > > find > > > the text? I have looked in the second volume of G.C. Sharma's > > translation an > > > could not find a reference. I have the feeling Parashara only explains > > how > > > to calculate dasha and delineate them... > > > > > > -- > > > Thank you and best regards, > > > François > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 The first Jyotisha text is Suryasiddhanta, as far as extant evidences suggest. It was revealed by Lord Surya to Maya after the latter purified himself by means of Tapasyaa at the fag end of Satyuga. It means Jyotisha was not needed in Satyuga because people were interested in (spirirual) Satya and had no interest in Kaamya Karmas and Phalas. Suryasiddhanta was accepted as an apaurusheya grantha by astrologers from Varah Mihir to all tradittional astrologers even today. There were many other apaurusheya ganita and phalita texts, probably revealed or composed during and after Tretayuga, but most of them have not survived. In Ganita, there were 18 Siddhanta texts, but only Suryasiddhanta has survived in its original form. Even Suryasiddhanta has some interpolations and there are proofs which suggest many verses have been deleted from the extant version. Some Samhita texts are coming to surface recently. We can hope and pray that some other archaic texts might have been preserved in manuscript form and may be published. No systematic research has ever been carried on to collect, compare and contrast all existing Phalita texts to find out the grain and separate the husk. -VJ ====================== ======== vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Rohini Da, > > You have raised two good points. > > (1) > Firstly, BPHS says nakshatra-based dashaas were universally accepted by > " ancient sages " while other dashaas are not unanimously accepted ( " ... > sarvaa na sammataa " ). > > Secondly, I was discussing only nakshatra-based dashaas like Vimshottari > and Ashtottari. Among all nakshatra-based dashaas, only Vimshottari is > unconditionally and universally applicable and all other dashaas are > conditional. > > Thirdly, Vimshottari is the only dashaa system which I have found to be > 100% accurate and 100% applicable in 100% cases I have examined > throughout my life (provided the Ganita is Suryasiddhantic and > birth-time is correct. But if physical astronomy is followed and solar > year is used, then Vimshottari works only in a large majority of MD and > probably half of AD, but fails to work properly in PD, SD and PranD). > Can you name another dashaa system which is 100% accurate and 100% > applicable in 100% cases?? I am not challenging you, I am only asking > for your help in finding out any other dashaa system which is > universally and unconditionally applicable. I have not researched on all > dashaa systems and even my software is incomplete with respect to a lot > of other dashaa systems. > > (2) > I never stated Sage Parashara was the first Jyotishi. The paramount > importance of Sage Parashara is due to opposite reason : he was the Last > Jyotishi who was a Rishi as well. He was the last Jyotishi before the > onset of Kaliyuga. > > Another reason behind his importance is that among all archaic (ie, > Arsha or by Rishis) texts, Parashara's system is the most complete and > workable system. Jaimini's work has survived only partially. Other > extant texts are either incomplete or dubious, or by non-Rishis. > > -VJ > ======================= == > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > You are absolutely right! Vimshottari has been stated as a > GENERALLY-APPLICABLE dasa. However, it was not the ONLY general or > UNCONDITIONAL dasa as recommended in BPHS :-) > > > > And in the poignant hints given around Ashtottari dasa, Parashara had > referred to 'others' (sort of citing but without details). He has done > that elsewhere in the treatise as well and this has reference to a post > I read recently (one of the jyotish fora) where the impression was being > given that Parashara was the FIRST jyotishi in the Universe. Obviously > not true! > > > > But Vinay jee, you are well-versed in Hindu Scriptures and have > devoted your life to these so you may perhaps know and wish to share (or > not...!). WHO was the FIRST Jyotishi ...? > > > > Others may add their wisdom and experiences too, of course since this > is a public forum. > > > > Happy Holi, even though for me I can only imagine and live through my > memories of Holi! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote: > > > > > > A wrong interpretation of BPHS has been cited : > > > > > > <<< > > > Out of the three dashas applicable at the time of birth, Vimshottari > > > dasha should be applied for the births at night during Shukla Paksha > and > > > Ashtottari dasha for births during day in Krishna Paksha. In all > other > > > cases Yogini dasha gives results. > > > >>> > > > > > > BPHS does not mention any condition for Vimshottari. It is wrong to > > > guess that the conditions mentioned for Ashtottari can be used to > deduce > > > the remaining conditions for Vimshottari. Vimshottari is > > > unconditionally and universally applicable in all cases. All other > > > dashaas are conditional. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ========================= === > > > vedic astrology , " CARRIERE Francois " > > > <yl.car.fr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > «Out of the three dashas applicable at the time of birth, > > > Vimshottari > > > > > > dasha should be applied for the births at night during Shukla > > > Paksha and > > > > > > Ashtottari dasha for births during day in Krishna Paksha. In > all > > > other > > > > > > cases Yogini dasha gives results.» Source: > > > > > > http://www.vedicastro.com/yogini1.asp > > > > > > > > > It is a well-known rule given in Brihat Parashar Hora Shastra. > It > > > works > > > > > very well. > > > > > > > > Thank you for your kind answer. Do you have the reference where I > can > > > find > > > > the text? I have looked in the second volume of G.C. Sharma's > > > translation an > > > > could not find a reference. I have the feeling Parashara only > explains > > > how > > > > to calculate dasha and delineate them... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Thank you and best regards, > > > > François > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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