Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Rohini Da, I never received any response from Sanjay Ji and stopped sending messages to him long ago. I left Sohamsa because my messages to that forum were never allowed to appear, even after complaints. PVR is much more open minded and tolerant. But I have no interest in taking sides, but if personality-clash is not the issue and cardinal issues of Jyotisha are at stake, then it is not good to keep quiet for unspecified " strategic " reasons. I do not care for the consequences. Jyotisha must never be used for putting a person in bad light before the public at large. According to Amarakosha the synonymn of " Guru " is " Doshajnya " (ie, " one who knows the faults " ). I am not the Dikshaa-Guru of anyone; I never gave nor intend to give any guru-mantra to anyone, although those students of Jyotisha call me Guru (ie, shikshaa guru) who have learnt or hope to learn something from me,wrongly or rightly. Hence, I have no right to pint at the faults of others. But if Jyotisha is being distorted by someone, should I remain neutral ?? If someone perverts Jyotisha and leads the public astray, then I forget the aforementioned rule of Jyotisha. If you are pained, I am ready to retract my observations about Sanjay Ji. You may like to look at my following thread about Kaala-chakra Dashaa in this forum. -Vinay Jha ======================== === vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay_jee, > > I am assuming that you had warned him about all these things long ago, privately or publicly? > > Peace! > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > To Mr Vinay69 : > > > > Sanjay Ji has svagrihi lords of lagna, dasham, ekaadash, and twelfth, which gave him much money and fame. Svagrihi Jupiter also has fast-friendly 52' aspect on 5th, and svagrihi Saturn has neutral 36' aspect on 5th, which enabled him to master a good deal of traditional knowledge. But according to Kundalee Software, he entered into Mercury Mahaa-dashaa after mid-1998 and Mercury is in 6th. This is one reason of his problems. Another reason is Sun and Venus in 5th : Sun is lord of 6th and Venus of 3rd and 8th , which make them malefics for 5th. Moreover, Venus is in bitter enemy's house in 5th. Third factor is lord of 5th Moon in 12th. > > > > D24 has excellent Saturn in moolatrikona, sitting in 11th house and aspecting 5th, but Mercury is lord of 3 and 6 and therefore malefic. Hence, when Mercury's mahaadashaa started on 23rd July 1998, his knowledge took a bad turn. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ========================= ===== > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Four points: > > > > > > (1) I gave my observations honestly. But, for all you know, my views may or may not be perfect. Other people who also have a lot of experience with him may, for all you know, disagree with me. > > > > > > (2) It will be very crude and unethical to use our limited knowledge of astrology to justify our views in matters like this. If history makes a judgment on this in future and/or creates a distance between us and these happenings, THEN it may be acceptable to analyze them astrologically. > > > > > > (3) Sanjay ji is a man with some good knowledge. If he is honest about what is from parampara and what are his ideas and enables intelligent youngsters to do unbiased research (instead of jumping to hasty conclusions, teaching that as parampara knowledge and making it into a cult), he may still make a positive difference. In the beginning, he had honesty and spirit of truth. He was quite honest with me about many things he was unsure of and asked me to investigate (e.g. solar vs soli-lunar months in TP). He changed. But he is basically a good man and wants the knowledge of rishis to triumph in the world, just as I do. I do not like to write anyone off in my book. Everyone has many choices in front of one at all times, whether one sees them or not. I do not control the choices others make and also I do not like to prejudge the choices they may make in future. > > > > > > (4) I haven't " dissociated " with Sanjay ji. How can one dissociate with someone who gave one some useful knowledge and who inspired one to do an important good karma (giving JHora to the world)? I have merely stated what I honestly believe to be the truth, for the benefit of other students and community. Simply a new event occurred in our " association " . > > > > > > Arjuna may have fired arrows at Drona or even killed him. But would he say " I dissociated with Drona " ? The association/relationship of a teacher-student is permanent. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > JHora uses yyyy-mm-dd format to stay neutral to Indo-European (dd-mm-yyyy) and American (mm-dd-yyyy) styles and also to be logical (Y > M > D). I will consider adding an option in a future release. But this request is too late for the 7.4 release which is going to happen very soon. The beta version is under testing in the jhora and the official release is only days away. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Spirituality: > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > - > > > > > > , Vinay Kumar <vinay69@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > > > > > I think you are true to your heart and mind in whatever you say and > > > > practice. I have been following your writings closely and must say you have > > > > contributed some genuine original stuff that is a result of your laborious > > > > research. Please continue and I see you right there it to the top rung of > > > > astrologers in the next decade. > > > > > > > > Thinking of your dissociation with Sri Sanjay-ji, in your opinion, what > > > > astrological factors in his horoscope do you think makes him propound > > > > jyotish knowledge that you think is incorrect or corrupted knowledge? I mean > > > > when we disucss jyotish, this has to show in the dashas and bukthis or > > > > other factors in his horoscope. > > > > > > > > I have another question regarding JHora. In the Dasas Tab for starting and > > > > ending dates is is possible to get dd-mm-yyyy rather than yyyy-mm-dd format? > > > > I tried the preferences tab (related to display) but could not find the > > > > option to change this. If this is not available I suggest you include it in > > > > your next release, I really prefer to see the Indian date format which I > > > > have always been used to. > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Vinay > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay did not seem to have any knowledge of Parampara. > > > > > > > > > > There is some genuine uncommon knowledge taught by Sanjay ji. For example, > > > > > Tithi Pravesha works very well. Of course, it may be imperfect (e.g. solar > > > > > vs soli-lunar issue I mentioned before), but it works quite well. As it is > > > > > not found in any books or classics and as there weren't too many people who > > > > > used it before he popularized it, it is reasonable to assume that Sanjay ji > > > > > did know some secrets. But the quality of his teachings is quite erratic and > > > > > non-uniform. I disagree with you regarding Parampara and stand by my reading > > > > > of the situation as described in the mail below. > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > > > > I remember Sh K N Rao's words today. Last year he said on one occasion > > > > > that > > > > > > Narsimha is in wrong hands, but he will come out of this soon! Astrology > > > > > > makes much sense, isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting that Sri K.N. Rao should be interested in my horoscope. > > > > > Please convey my regards to him. > > > > > > > > > > However, it is not factually correct to say that I " came out " NOW. I first > > > > > communicated with Sanjay ji in late 1997 and became his student in spring > > > > > 1998. I learnt some good knowledge in the next few years. As Sanjay ji > > > > > maintains an air of " there is more to this, but I will teach it later " , you > > > > > keep giving him the benefit of doubt. I started noticing inconsistencies in > > > > > his knowledge and started questioning him, as soon as 2001-2002. I > > > > > maintained intellectual independence in all public exchanges. From 2004, I > > > > > gave up on Sanjay ji. I convinced myself that I am dealing with highly > > > > > corrupted knowledge that also contains some gems and started independent > > > > > research to sort things. My intention was to clean up the mess while > > > > > remaining within his organization. During 2005-2006, I nearly gave up > > > > > astrology as my mind was drawn towards god. After the seed for the " do homam > > > > > yourself " movement was sown in 2006, I was back to astrology seriously. I > > > > > vigorously pursued independent astrology research in 2006-2009, without any > > > > > expectations and with a much calmer frame of mind. Some of the findings are > > > > > shared, some are in the pipeline and some need to be perfected still. > > > > > > > > > > However, I still did not come clean with my honest opinions on Sanjay ji to > > > > > caution other students. My spiritual master asked me to stand for truth > > > > > without fear and not tolerate dishonesty. He wisely wondered if fear of > > > > > offending teacher and creating confusion in people's mind by rocking the > > > > > applecart were the only considerations in my mind or if I was also > > > > > sub-consciously concerned about losing something by being truthful and going > > > > > against them. He reminded me that we come with nothing and go with nothing > > > > > and why should we fear anything or seek anything. He told me to be truthful > > > > > and honest and do my dharma sincerely. It slowly sunk in. From 2007-2008, I > > > > > started hinting at Sanjay ji's dishonesty and misrepresentations publicly. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, my " coming out " started long back and has been unfolding slowly. As > > > > > far as Jyotish knowledge is concerned, I've been on my own for several years > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > Spirituality: > > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember Sh K N Rao's words today. Last year he said on one occasion > > > > > that > > > > > > Narsimha is in wrong hands, but he will come out of this soon! Astrology > > > > > > makes much sense, isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > A journey of 17 years through the long-winded tunnel! But the intelligent > > > > > > enigma has dug really deep and collected much wealth to start afresh! I > > > > > > appreciate his knowledge and scientific probes which he shares freely, > > > > > not > > > > > > to mention the great service done through JHora. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to Narsimha ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4 March 2010 10:33, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes and my acquaintance with Sanjay is > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > (when he was working in Delhi at Krishi Bhawan), Sanjay did not seem to > > > > > have > > > > > > > any knowledge of Parampara. His uncles (both paternal and maternal) did > > > > > not > > > > > > > even consult him astrologically then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr%40charter.net>> > > > > > > > To: vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic-astrolo\ gy% > > > > > 40>; > > > > > > > <%40><% > > > > > 40>; > > > > > > > JyotishWritings <JyotishWritings%40><JyotishWritings% > > > > > 40>; > > > > > > > jhora <jhora%40> <jhora% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > Wed, March 3, 2010 11:54:44 PM > > > > > > > Too many options in JHora > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The contradictions seem to be too many. First it was sudasa, > > > > > > > > now it is kalachakra dasa. It is far too confusing. Just like > > > > > > > > you added options for Chara dasa( K N Rao, Rangacharya method) > > > > > > > > etc, i guess you can make it KCD Rath, and KCD Narasimha etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sudasa, Sanjay ji kept changing the definition everytime > > > > > we > > > > > > > met for a conference. First, I assumed he was testing us and wanted us > > > > > to > > > > > > > figure out what is correct. Later, I concluded that he himself is not > > > > > sure. > > > > > > > However, my belief is that he received some knowledge in the parampara > > > > > > > regarding Sudasa, which did not stick with him perfectly and hence the > > > > > > > confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of KCD, I am quite sure Sanjay ji does not have any secrets > > > > > > > from parampara. He told me several times that he relied on *me* to > > > > > crack the > > > > > > > KCD and ashtakavarga puzzles. He was very excited when I revealed the > > > > > basic > > > > > > > KCD idea to him. I am afraid he simply hijacked what I shared with him > > > > > and > > > > > > > what I later wrote as a paper in our joint names and running with it > > > > > now. > > > > > > > The only thing I do not know is by how much exactly he changed what he > > > > > > > hijacked and how badly it deviates from Parasara in areas where > > > > > Parasara is > > > > > > > clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has some good knowledge from parampara, but, having seen him > > > > > > > closely, I am afraid he got addicted to the adulation he received from > > > > > the > > > > > > > community for those secrets. After he ran out of genuine parampara > > > > > secrets, > > > > > > > I am afraid he started *manufacturing* " parampara secrets " > > > > > irresponsibly. If > > > > > > > a good researcher disguised his researches as parampara secrets, it > > > > > would've > > > > > > > been less disastrous. But, unfortunately, Sanjay ji is the worst > > > > > researcher > > > > > > > I have seen. He has a highly intuitive mind that can think of so many > > > > > things > > > > > > > and connect them in all kinds of ways. Unfortunately, he jumps to > > > > > serious > > > > > > > conclusions at the drop of a hat, without any logic or practical > > > > > testing. > > > > > > > Even in practical testing, he uses such highly flexible and vague logic > > > > > that > > > > > > > he can justify any result with any astrological factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somebody who would be really really good at coming up with *ideas* for > > > > > > > research is unfortunately presenting those raw ideas by sometimes > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > and sometimes implicitly representing them as the wisdom of a glorious > > > > > > > parampara. I've seen this closely for a long time. Sanjay ji > > > > > revolutionized > > > > > > > Jyotish when he came, but he has been corrupting the subject badly for > > > > > > > several years now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant to say the above in such blunt words for a long time now, but I > > > > > > > could not and I kept beating around the bush. Until the day I could not > > > > > say > > > > > > > it without even a little anger or frustration in my heart, I did not > > > > > want to > > > > > > > use such blunt language. Thanks to the grace of my spiritual master, I > > > > > am > > > > > > > today able to say the above without a trace of frustration or anger in > > > > > my > > > > > > > heart and in the same way I may state routine observations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even in other options, maybe they need to be separated clearly so as > > > > > to > > > > > > > avoid confusions for novices like me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JHora has hundreds of options because we are unsure of so many things. > > > > > We > > > > > > > are groping in the dark. Of course, some people may be glorifying and > > > > > even > > > > > > > *selling* that darkness, but that means nothing to me. As a reasonably > > > > > > > intelligent and conscientious pursuer of Truth, I do know the > > > > > difference > > > > > > > between light and darkness. I do know the light we have in the room is > > > > > > > slowly growing, but I also know that it is still relatively dark. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers are used to seeing any shapes they want in clouds. What we > > > > > need > > > > > > > is quantifiable, measurable and objective rules and methods and > > > > > impassioned > > > > > > > search for truth by people who do not have a conflict of interest. My > > > > > > > personal belief is that we will make great progress over the next > > > > > decade and > > > > > > > there will be more light in the field of Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The seed was sown by Dr B.V. Raman, who wrote many books on astrology > > > > > in > > > > > > > English and brought the subject to mainstream intelligentsia. Sri K.N. > > > > > Rao > > > > > > > did yeoman service by taking a stand on ayanamsa and bringing the focus > > > > > to > > > > > > > divisional charts etc and the seed became a plant. Pt Sanjay Rath took > > > > > the > > > > > > > focus back to the works of maharshis like Parasara and Jaimini and > > > > > brought > > > > > > > several restricted parameters into the mainstream. However, as the > > > > > plant > > > > > > > grew big, a lot of large weeds came up around the plant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The hundreds of options in JHora are partly reflective of the weeds we > > > > > > > have. We need to remove weeds and let the plant grow nicely into a > > > > > tree. > > > > > > > However, it has to be done carefully. It will be a shame if the actual > > > > > plant > > > > > > > is hurt instead of the weeds. JHora and our understanding of the > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > of rishis will continue to evolve for some more years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Srivastava, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge, He did not teach as you quote/ assume. > > > > > Page > > > > > > > 11 OF > > > > > > > > his PDF of London/Serbia says dasa sequence same as Parasar has > > > > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact Rsi Parasar has quoted " dasa sequence " , deha and jeeva for > > > > > all > > > > > > > savya > > > > > > > > and apsayva nakshatra.So this type of error is unlikely by any > > > > > > > scholar.BTW > > > > > > > > how you could get this information that he taught this sequence for > > > > > > > jyeshta > > > > > > > > 4 th pada ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please scroll down to the end of this mail. Sanjay ji's original mail > > > > > is > > > > > > > enclosed. He wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. > > > > > > > <deleted> The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-.... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Jyeshtha 4th pada, JHora gives Sg, Sc, Li, ..., Ta, Ar just as > > > > > taught > > > > > > > by Parasara and yet Sanjay ji faulted JHora and mentioned something > > > > > else > > > > > > > ( " Pi-Ar-... " ) as the " correct order " . So I am assuming that there is > > > > > no > > > > > > > typo here and that he is consciously teaching knowledge that violates > > > > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The jyotish community will have an option to try his teachings with > > > > > > > free SW. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Pt Rath took Pi-Ar as the sequence for Jyeshtha 4, his teachings > > > > > are > > > > > > > WRONG. Period. Parasara is very clear that it should be Sg, Sc, Li, ... > > > > > for > > > > > > > Jyeshtha 4th pada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The challenge in KCD research is to figure out the details Parasara > > > > > left > > > > > > > ambiguous. It is not to alter what Parasara laid out clearly. We have > > > > > enough > > > > > > > confusions and there is no need to ADD NEWER CONFUSIONS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked Pt Rath in Nov-Dec 2009 if what he taught at BAVA was > > > > > different > > > > > > > from what was given in our joint paper presented at SJC conference. He > > > > > did > > > > > > > not respond. I also said I could consider adding his new method to > > > > > JHora if > > > > > > > he (or someone else) could send me the definition in written form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I could not locate the CD on BAVA website, even if I were > > > > > willing to > > > > > > > buy the CD and listen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole idea of nakshatra pada iteration was discovered by me from > > > > > an > > > > > > > old Telugu language book and shared with Sanjay ji when he visited my > > > > > house > > > > > > > in 2004. Parasara defined the dasa cycles for each nakshatra pada > > > > > > > unambiguously, but the matter of antardasas is murky. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with existing KCD antardasa schemes is that they result > > > > > in > > > > > > > dasa-antardasa combinations or antardasa leaps not sanctioned by Lord > > > > > Shiva, > > > > > > > who taught to Parvati the results of each possible dasa-antardasa pair > > > > > in > > > > > > > savya and apasavya chakras! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, dasa cycle of Aswini 2nd pada is " Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc, Li, > > > > > Vi, > > > > > > > Cn, Le, Ge " . If one takes antardasas in Li dasa in this cycle to be > > > > > " Li, Vi, > > > > > > > Cn, Le, Ge, [wrapping back] Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc " , then we have a leap > > > > > (Ge->Cp) > > > > > > > not mentioned by Shiva or Parasara. What some people do to avoid it is > > > > > to > > > > > > > NOT wrap back but move forward to the next dasa cycle corresponding to > > > > > > > Aswini 3rd pada. So antardasas in Li dasa above will be " Li, Vi, Cn, > > > > > Le, Ge, > > > > > > > [moving ahead to the next dasa cycle of Aswini 3rd pada] Ta, Ar, Pi, > > > > > Aq " . > > > > > > > This ensures that there are no unsanctioned leaps, but this introduces > > > > > > > mahadasa-antardasa pairs not covered by Shiva. It is also wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea I had after studying the detailed conversation between Shiva > > > > > and > > > > > > > Parvati reproduced in that Telugu book (conversation was in Sanskrit > > > > > verses) > > > > > > > was that antardasas are not obtained by shifting within the dasa cycle > > > > > as > > > > > > > people do and either wrap back to the beginning or skip to the next > > > > > cycle, > > > > > > > but by treating the dasa sign as a nakshatra pada and finding > > > > > antardasas > > > > > > > from the dasa cycle associated with that nakshatra pada! As you go one > > > > > level > > > > > > > down after another, you keep iterating like that. It is a simple and > > > > > yet > > > > > > > elegant idea, which ensures that there are no leaps or dasa-antardasa > > > > > pairs > > > > > > > that are not mentioned by Shiva. It also shows the logical structure > > > > > behind > > > > > > > the dasa cycles associated with nakshatra padas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji was excited when I presented the idea to him and he > > > > > exclaimed > > > > > > > that I had cracked it (he tends to jump to big conclusions very > > > > > quickly). He > > > > > > > asked me to write a paper in our combined names for the upcoming SJC > > > > > > > conference in India. I told him that I still needed to figure out the > > > > > > > apasavya nakshatra case, which was more tricky, but he did not want to > > > > > wait. > > > > > > > I hastily figured out apasavya nakshatra case also and sent him a > > > > > paper, but > > > > > > > it seems like he changed things later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever I was doing was within the framework of cycles defined by > > > > > > > Parasara. I deciphered the structure in it and defined antardasas so > > > > > that > > > > > > > they are based on the same structure and do not use leaps or > > > > > dasa-antardasa > > > > > > > pairs not mentioned by Shiva. I did NOT change any dasa sequences given > > > > > by > > > > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, Pt Rath seems to have missed the point that dasa > > > > > > > sequences are non-negotiable and only antardasa orders are to be > > > > > deduced. > > > > > > > You can NOT go against Parasara's clear teachings and hope to be > > > > > correct! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very sorry to see that he took my idea, corrupted it to turn it > > > > > > > against Parasara's teachings and ran with it and that some people want > > > > > to > > > > > > > invest their time on those wrong teachings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, as a free software programmer, I am willing to ADD his option to > > > > > > > JHora (the current " Rao & Rath " method is based on our joint paper and > > > > > has > > > > > > > no errors. Any other method will have to be added newly). But I need to > > > > > see > > > > > > > exactly what he taught. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- R C Srivastava <swami.rcs (AT) gmail (DOT) com <swami. > > > > > rcs%40gmail. > > > > > > > com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Narsimha ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine has always blessed you to do wonderful service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are aware of KCD Lecture at London from the mail . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you have Time and inclination to offer calculation as Per > > > > > these > > > > > > > teachings to be a part of Jhora: CD on KCD are available From Bava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW PDF teachings in this CD are dedicated to your good self by > > > > > Guruji. > > > > > > > In case you offer his methodology The jyotish community will have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an option to try his teachings with free SW. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RCS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jhora <jhora% <jhora%25> <jhora%25> > > > > > 40. > > > > > > > com> [jhora <jhora% <jhora%25><jhora%25>40. com> ] On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:38 AM > > > > > > > > > jhora <jhora% <jhora%25> <jhora%25> > > > > > 40. > > > > > > > > > > > > com> ; JyotishWritings < > > > > > JyotishWritings%40grou <JyotishWritings%2540grou> > > > > > > > ps.com> ; vedic astrology <vedic- astrology% > > > > > > > 40. com> ; < > > > > > %40 <%2540>. com> > > > > > > > > > Re: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KCD calculation in JHora was broken earlier, but I fixed it in a > > > > > > > previous release. But Pt Sanjay Rath complained (see below) that it was > > > > > > > still wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am preparing a JHora 7.4 release now. I wanted to fix Pt Rath's > > > > > > > complaint and checked things. I discovered that JHora 7.33 is fine. If > > > > > you > > > > > > > select the " Rao & Rath " method of KCD with JHora 7.33, the calculations > > > > > > > given by JHora match what was given in our combined paper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Jyeshtha 4th quarter, JHora 7.33 is giving Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, > > > > > Cn, > > > > > > > Ge, Ta and Ar. That is indeed what the paper gave. That also matches > > > > > what > > > > > > > Parasara taught in BPHS (chapter 46 verses 77-81). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure why Pt Rath thinks that the sequence should be > > > > > > > " Pi-Ar-.... " for Jyeshtha 4th pada. That is clearly inconsistent with > > > > > > > Parasara's teachings as well as *our own* combined paper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case Pt Rath changed the sequences given in our combined paper > > > > > at > > > > > > > the last minute (I was not there at the conference and he presented our > > > > > > > combined paper alone), I have to point out that it is inconsistent with > > > > > > > Parasara's teachings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In both the nakshatra pada iteration method as well as other > > > > > methods, > > > > > > > please select " Rohini 4th pada is Leo navamsa " (instead of " Rohini 4th > > > > > pada > > > > > > > is Cancer navamsa " ) in Kalachakra dasa options if you want to match the > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > cycles taught by Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With that setting, all Kalachakra dasa methods supported in JHora > > > > > match > > > > > > > the dasa cycles listed by Parasara for various nakshatra padas, except > > > > > of > > > > > > > course the Raghavacharya method. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasa cycles of different nakshatra padas are the same between > > > > > various > > > > > > > methods and the difference between various methods is essentially in > > > > > how > > > > > > > dasa sesham is applied and how antardasas are found. Raghavacharya > > > > > method is > > > > > > > the only one that is philosophically different in the matter of dasa > > > > > cycles > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raghavacharya method given in JHora takes dasas by taking nine > > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > starting from the navamsa occupied by Moon (or whatever reference is > > > > > > > chosen). It uses the nine-sign-sequences mapped by Parasara to various > > > > > > > nakshatra padas to actually find the *antardasa cycles* within various > > > > > > > dasas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All other methods given in JHora map nakshatra padas to the fixed > > > > > > > sequences listed by Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline: There are no errors in JHora's KCD computation. Please > > > > > note > > > > > > > the setting mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% <sohamsa%25><sohamsa%25>40. com> < > > > > > > > sohamsa% <sohamsa%25> 40. com> , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and > > > > > found to > > > > > > > my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation > > > > > given > > > > > > > in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and > > > > > don't > > > > > > > ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have > > > > > > > checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get > > > > > your > > > > > > > copy from www.vedicsoftware. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we > > > > > use > > > > > > > full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get > > > > > > > Cn-Vi.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra > > > > > paper/slides I > > > > > > > used in London > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS. I think I am going to hold > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Bravo, Vinay ji. The most uplifting prose or poetry that makes us readers to hold any page to our bosom tightly was written with the feather (quill) of a bird and ordinary ink (carbon)! Did the wisdom emanate from the bird who sacrificed its flight equipment (feather) or the ink that made the wisdom 'legible' for us humans? Or was it the human hand that wrote the words that energized other humans?? Once we human beings managed to create the SILENCE within, WHO filled it with KNOWLEDGE...? vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > .... I am not the Dikshaa-Guru of anyone; I never gave nor intend to give any guru-mantra to anyone, although those students of Jyotisha call me Guru ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Da, I think the best prose or poetry were written by semi-literate scribes who wrote down the compositions of those sages who did not write anything and gave their compositions in oral form. The most notable exception to this general rule was Mahabharata for which Vyaasa Ji hired Ganesh Ji on certain conditions. Thanks for your advice. I will try to keep away from useless controversies as far as possible. -VJ =================== == vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Bravo, Vinay ji. > > The most uplifting prose or poetry that makes us readers to hold any page to our bosom tightly was written with the feather (quill) of a bird and ordinary ink (carbon)! > > Did the wisdom emanate from the bird who sacrificed its flight equipment (feather) or the ink that made the wisdom 'legible' for us humans? Or was it the human hand that wrote the words that energized other humans?? > > Once we human beings managed to create the SILENCE within, WHO filled it with KNOWLEDGE...? > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > ... I am not the Dikshaa-Guru of anyone; I never gave nor intend to give any guru-mantra to anyone, although those students of Jyotisha call me Guru ... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 From your mouth {keyboard} to the antah-karan of your ATMA {God's ears}, Vinay_saheb...! vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Da, > > I think the best prose or poetry were written by semi-literate scribes who wrote down the compositions of those sages who did not write anything and gave their compositions in oral form. The most notable exception to this general rule was Mahabharata for which Vyaasa Ji hired Ganesh Ji on certain conditions. > > Thanks for your advice. I will try to keep away from useless controversies as far as possible. > > -VJ > =================== == > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Bravo, Vinay ji. > > > > The most uplifting prose or poetry that makes us readers to hold any page to our bosom tightly was written with the feather (quill) of a bird and ordinary ink (carbon)! > > > > Did the wisdom emanate from the bird who sacrificed its flight equipment (feather) or the ink that made the wisdom 'legible' for us humans? Or was it the human hand that wrote the words that energized other humans?? > > > > Once we human beings managed to create the SILENCE within, WHO filled it with KNOWLEDGE...? > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > ... I am not the Dikshaa-Guru of anyone; I never gave nor intend to give any guru-mantra to anyone, although those students of Jyotisha call me Guru ... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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