Kaala-chakra Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods

March 5, 2010

To All :

The following webpage contains a brief description of Kaala-chakra

Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods, which some modern astrologers are

interpreting according to novel ideas contrary to the original plan of

Sage Parashara :

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

-Vinay Jha

============== ====== ==

March 6, 2010

Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste,

There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light.

Also share your judgment regarding the following:-

1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to trust?

2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days back I

ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against pt.Rath views)

4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or moon

naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen from

moon nakshatra.

5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too?

8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed

vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do.

Hare Rama Krishna,

Arun.

vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> To All :

>

> The following webpage contains a brief description of Kaala-chakra

> Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods, which some modern astrologers are

> interpreting according to novel ideas contrary to the original plan of

> Sage Parashara :

>

> http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

>

> -Vinay Jha

> ============== ====== ==

>

March 6, 2010

Dear VinayJi,

Today only i read about your views on vimshottari dasha.

If i select option in jHora, " year with 360 tithis " , did it coincide with your

rationale?

I downloaded your software as well but it is very buggy and is not running on my

machine.

Hare Rama Krishna.

Regards,

Arun.

vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity wrote:

>

> Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste,

>

> There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light.

>

> Also share your judgment regarding the following:-

>

> 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to trust?

> 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days back

I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against pt.Rath views)

> 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or moon

naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen from

moon nakshatra.

> 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too?

> 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed

vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

>

> Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do.

>

> Hare Rama Krishna,

> Arun.

>

> vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > To All :

> >

> > The following webpage contains a brief description of Kaala-chakra

> > Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods, which some modern astrologers are

> > interpreting according to novel ideas contrary to the original plan of

> > Sage Parashara :

> >

> > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> > ============== ====== ==

> >

>

March 6, 2010

Arun Ji,

Rohini Ji is 'he' and not 'she'. His name is Rohiniranjan which means 'One who

pleases Rohini'.

The confusions you mention are merely tips of the iceberg. Whenever such

confusions surface, try to find out what the rishis advised. Most of your

questions are answered in BPHS. Please try to understand it yourself ; as long

as you will try to find out readymade answers, you will not perform Rishi-yajna

which is indespensable for understanding the true meanings of what rishis said.

Unless and until confusions in Ganita are cleared, confusions in Phalita will

continue to increase due to endeavours of moderners to change the rules of

Phalita to suit physical astronomy. Most of software makers do not even provide

the option of traditional Ganita because they think traditional Ganita was

wrong, forgetting that it served Jyotisha for millenia. The very definition of

Ayanamsha has been drastically changed by Colebrooke who had no interest or

faith in astrology.

It is neither my mission nor in my powers to remove all these confusions.

Jyotisha cannot be learnt like modern disciplines. It needs Tapasyaa,

Brahmacharya, etc, which are outside modern curricula.

-VJ

====================== =========

vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity wrote:

>

> Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste,

>

> There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light.

>

> Also share your judgment regarding the following:-

>

> 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to trust?

> 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days back

I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against pt.Rath views)

> 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or moon

naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen from

moon nakshatra.

> 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too?

> 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed

vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

>

> Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do.

>

> Hare Rama Krishna,

> Arun.

>

> vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > To All :

> >

> > The following webpage contains a brief description of Kaala-chakra

> > Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods, which some modern astrologers are

> > interpreting according to novel ideas contrary to the original plan of

> > Sage Parashara :

> >

> > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> > ============== ====== ==

> >

>

March 6, 2010

JHORA differs on two counts : planetary positions and Ayanamsha need offsets.

JHORA has many options for Ayanamsha, excepting the traditional Suryasiddhantic

one. It has no option for planetary positions, ie, +/- offsets in degrees which

will make it almost similar to Kundalee Software in outcome.

Kundalee Software was created on a platform which some versions of Windows

refuse to accept due to change in DLL files by Microsoft. I am not able to work

in my room due to continuous tours. When I get time, I will revise Kundalee

Software on updated platform.

-VJ

===================== =

vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity wrote:

>

> Dear VinayJi,

>

> Today only i read about your views on vimshottari dasha.

> If i select option in jHora, " year with 360 tithis " , did it coincide with your

rationale?

> I downloaded your software as well but it is very buggy and is not running on

my machine.

>

> Hare Rama Krishna.

> Regards,

> Arun.

>

> vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste,

> >

> > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light.

> >

> > Also share your judgment regarding the following:-

> >

> > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to

trust?

> > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days

back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against pt.Rath

views)

> > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or moon

naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen from

moon nakshatra.

> > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too?

> > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed

vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

> >

> > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do.

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > Arun.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > >

> > > To All :

> > >

> > > The following webpage contains a brief description of Kaala-chakra

> > > Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods, which some modern astrologers are

> > > interpreting according to novel ideas contrary to the original plan of

> > > Sage Parashara :

> > >

> > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> > > ============== ====== ==

> > >

> >

>

March 6, 2010

Dear VinayJi Namaste,

Hope NarashimaJi, could add one more Ayanamsha in JHora, but till then please

share the offset value, which you are using. Is this offset is to be applied to

Lahari Ayanamsha or some other Ayanamsha?

Is it just a coincidence that when every one is fighting about 7 or 8 char

karaka, you come and say, lahari ayanamsha is incorrect. So what might seem to

be atma karaka might become dara karaka or amtya Karak.

Sri k.n.rao, has ended the ayanamsha war by accepting lahari ayanamsha to be

correct. I don't know where it is good to start it again but it is worth

investing time on your new ayanamsha predictive value as you have quite

accurately predicted rainfall by using it.

Regarding the question I asked, vinayJi it's important for all of us to take a

stand. It's important to clearly state points of disagreement.

For char karaka parashara says, there are 7 char karaka, but some consider 8

char karaka.

For karakamsa he says, it is the navamsha occupied by atmakaraka. Nothing else.

For vimshottari dasha he says that it is calculated from moon nakshatra, but

didn't talk about other possibilities.

He didn't talk about moola dasha, but it is the most powerful dasha known today,

much more powerful then vimshottari. Kalayan verma has always used this dasha

instead of vimshottari.

Neither he talk about extension of char dasha or narayana dasha in divisional

charts.

Tithi pravesh, is not mentioned in his work.

He considers mandooka dasha, kaalchakra dasha and many more dasha as not being

appropriate. I don't know much about kaalchakra dasha, but mandooka dasha is

just magical.

Sage parashara was very brief. He left us, on our own to decide many things. I

have spent days and days to find these answers. Probably that's why I am here,

to find answer to my questions.

Yes, Rashi sandhi, this is the invention of sanjayJi with unclear background

from which I disagree… but it no way reduces the importance of good things which

he has given to jyotish.

And RohiniJi, oops…Now I know, sorry for mistake

vinayJi, please share the offset value.

Hare Rama Krishna,

Regards,

Arun.

vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Arun Ji,

>

> Rohini Ji is 'he' and not 'she'. His name is Rohiniranjan which means 'One who

pleases Rohini'.

>

> The confusions you mention are merely tips of the iceberg. Whenever such

confusions surface, try to find out what the rishis advised. Most of your

questions are answered in BPHS. Please try to understand it yourself ; as long

as you will try to find out readymade answers, you will not perform Rishi-yajna

which is indespensable for understanding the true meanings of what rishis said.

>

> Unless and until confusions in Ganita are cleared, confusions in Phalita will

continue to increase due to endeavours of moderners to change the rules of

Phalita to suit physical astronomy. Most of software makers do not even provide

the option of traditional Ganita because they think traditional Ganita was

wrong, forgetting that it served Jyotisha for millenia. The very definition of

Ayanamsha has been drastically changed by Colebrooke who had no interest or

faith in astrology.

>

> It is neither my mission nor in my powers to remove all these confusions.

Jyotisha cannot be learnt like modern disciplines. It needs Tapasyaa,

Brahmacharya, etc, which are outside modern curricula.

>

> -VJ

> ====================== =========

> vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste,

> >

> > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light.

> >

> > Also share your judgment regarding the following:-

> >

> > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to

trust?

> > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days

back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against pt.Rath

views)

> > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or moon

naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen from

moon nakshatra.

> > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too?

> > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed

vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

> >

> > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do.

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > Arun.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > >

> > > To All :

> > >

> > > The following webpage contains a brief description of Kaala-chakra

> > > Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods, which some modern astrologers are

> > > interpreting according to novel ideas contrary to the original plan of

> > > Sage Parashara :

> > >

> > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> > > ============== ====== ==

> > >

> >

>

March 6, 2010

Arun,

See copy of my earlier response after the following quote of your musings...

I do not know how you deduced from my response that I am against Pt. Rath's

views!!

All I said as I have always. Thinkers and analytical minds like yours will ONLY

be satisfied after they have tested something themselves and would not easily be

able to go with what someone says, no matter how accomplished!

It is good to ask questions but then one must stop the inner chatter so that

what others are saying sinks in ;-)

RR__,

vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity wrote:

>

> ...

> 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days back

I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that [he] is against pt.Rath views)

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Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

Take a few charts of individuals that you know and can go back to confirm facts

-- probably easier done in face-to-face settings than your internet

acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

See if their experiences and expressions match best with the Kshetra varga

perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once you have gone through that a

few times, you would not have to rely on and have to provide citations for which

ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that nuance or ultimate TRUTH!

Until then, regardless of how many books, articles, postings by Gurujis etc get

written and re-written and yet again -- these very questions shall continue to

arrive!

The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a western classical music piece:

PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT was not what the chain of

rebirths was really all about...!

RR_,

March 6, 2010

Arun Ji,

Lahiri Ayanamsha is really incorrect. Firstly, it is based on the

definition of ayanamsha given by Colebrooke which is not found in any

ancient siddhanta text of Jyotisha. Lahiri had no knowledge of the fact

that precession of equinoxes was known to ancient Indian astrologers

like Bhaskar-2 who computed it with the help of some verses of

Suryasiddhanta which are not part of written text. But ancient

astrologers never confused ayanamsha with precession of equinoxes, and

defined ayanamsha as pendulum like motion of the invisible zodiac

(nakshatra-chakra). Students of physical sciences cannot accept the

existence of any invisible thing. Hence, the Suryasiddhantic definition

of ayanamsha was rejected by all European indologists. None of them ever

tested the astrological validity of Suryasiddhanta before rejecting it.

because none of whom had any faith in astrology.

Secondly, Lahiri Ayanamsha takes Chitra as the starting point of zodiac,

which was never the case. Ashwini was always the starting point of

zodiac, although Krittikaa is the starting point of some important

processes like Vimshottari, Koorma Chakra, etc.

You belong to a different school of astrology which thinks someone has

ended the ayanamsha debate. Jyotisha is taught in many recognized

Sanskrit universities of India, besides some general universities too.

Ask them whether your views are correct or not. Traditional siddhantic

Jyotisha were not represented on Internet, and internet brands of Vedic

Jyotisha are not recognized in Sanskrit universities which teach

Jyotisha. How many internet astrologers have proficiency in reading

ancient texts ? How many of them have studied the texts prescribed by

recognized universities ? Even the internet edition of BPHS is 100%

spurious : it is based on a modern manuscript made by some unknown

scholars who were hired for introducing some modern concepts into BPHS

and in doing so language of all verses were deliberately changed.

JHORA has Yukteshwar Ayanamsha as an option which is very close to

traditional siddhantic ayanamsha for the current epoch. Yet I do not use

JHORA because I need planetary offsets for which JHORA provides no

option.

You have no faith in BPHS or Suryasiddhanta just because you think so

and so have no faith in it. You may think Sage Parashara to be ignorant

of Moola Dashaa which is more important than Vimshottari according to

your reputed authority. You may stick to your views, but do not try to

impose your views on me. Or, if you want a shaastraartha, I am ready for

it in which you can invite all your chosen authorities and I will invite

all professors of Jyotisha and editors of reputed panchangas. Internet

is not a fit place for shaastraartha. OK ? Please do not take my words

otherwise, I am friendly and serious.

If you are really interested in Jyotisha, you will have to accept that

the sole criterion of testing the validity of this or that theory is

accuracy of Phalita results. Whatever be the name and fame of this or

that ancient or modern " authority " , their views must be judged on this

sole criterion. This criterion is better than a shaastraartha, because

in a shaastraartha you will find no time to test horoscopes

comparatively along different theories. For a start, please read the

following :

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Annual+Rains

-VJ

==================== ===

vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity

wrote:

>

> Dear VinayJi Namaste,

>

> Hope NarashimaJi, could add one more Ayanamsha in JHora, but till then

please share the offset value, which you are using. Is this offset is to

be applied to Lahari Ayanamsha or some other Ayanamsha?

>

> Is it just a coincidence that when every one is fighting about 7 or 8

char karaka, you come and say, lahari ayanamsha is incorrect. So what

might seem to be atma karaka might become dara karaka or amtya Karak.

>

> Sri k.n.rao, has ended the ayanamsha war by accepting lahari ayanamsha

to be correct. I don't know where it is good to start it again but it is

worth investing time on your new ayanamsha predictive value as you have

quite accurately predicted rainfall by using it.

>

> Regarding the question I asked, vinayJi it's important for all of us

to take a stand. It's important to clearly state points of disagreement.

>

> For char karaka parashara says, there are 7 char karaka, but some

consider 8 char karaka.

>

> For karakamsa he says, it is the navamsha occupied by atmakaraka.

Nothing else.

>

> For vimshottari dasha he says that it is calculated from moon

nakshatra, but didn't talk about other possibilities.

>

> He didn't talk about moola dasha, but it is the most powerful dasha

known today, much more powerful then vimshottari. Kalayan verma has

always used this dasha instead of vimshottari.

>

> Neither he talk about extension of char dasha or narayana dasha in

divisional charts.

>

> Tithi pravesh, is not mentioned in his work.

>

> He considers mandooka dasha, kaalchakra dasha and many more dasha as

not being appropriate. I don't know much about kaalchakra dasha, but

mandooka dasha is just magical.

>

> Sage parashara was very brief. He left us, on our own to decide many

things. I have spent days and days to find these answers. Probably

that's why I am here, to find answer to my questions.

>

> Yes, Rashi sandhi, this is the invention of sanjayJi with unclear

background from which I disagree… but it no way reduces the

importance of good things which he has given to jyotish.

>

> And RohiniJi, oops…Now I know, sorry for mistake

>

> vinayJi, please share the offset value.

>

> Hare Rama Krishna,

>

> Regards,

> Arun.

>

> vedic astrology , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> >

> > Arun Ji,

> >

> > Rohini Ji is 'he' and not 'she'. His name is Rohiniranjan which

means 'One who pleases Rohini'.

> >

> > The confusions you mention are merely tips of the iceberg. Whenever

such confusions surface, try to find out what the rishis advised. Most

of your questions are answered in BPHS. Please try to understand it

yourself ; as long as you will try to find out readymade answers, you

will not perform Rishi-yajna which is indespensable for understanding

the true meanings of what rishis said.

> >

> > Unless and until confusions in Ganita are cleared, confusions in

Phalita will continue to increase due to endeavours of moderners to

change the rules of Phalita to suit physical astronomy. Most of software

makers do not even provide the option of traditional Ganita because they

think traditional Ganita was wrong, forgetting that it served Jyotisha

for millenia. The very definition of Ayanamsha has been drastically

changed by Colebrooke who had no interest or faith in astrology.

> >

> > It is neither my mission nor in my powers to remove all these

confusions. Jyotisha cannot be learnt like modern disciplines. It needs

Tapasyaa, Brahmacharya, etc, which are outside modern curricula.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ====================== =========

> > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste,

> > >

> > > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light.

> > >

> > > Also share your judgment regarding the following:-

> > >

> > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which

one to trust?

> > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart?

(few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is

against pt.Rath views)

> > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana

nakshatra or moon naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath

or it's always seen from moon nakshatra.

> > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional

charts too?

> > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or

compressed vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

> > >

> > > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do.

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > Arun.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > To All :

> > > >

> > > > The following webpage contains a brief description of

Kaala-chakra

> > > > Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods, which some modern astrologers

are

> > > > interpreting according to novel ideas contrary to the original

plan of

> > > > Sage Parashara :

> > > >

> > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > > >

> > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > ============== ====== ==

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 7, 2010

Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

I might have come to wrong conclusion from your statements. My apologies, if it

is true.

Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa, Swamsa or Karak lagan.

Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct but I didn't ask this

question without testing these concepts in many charts?

I have spend days and days with this karakamsa concept to verify verses of

parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In some chart it works all fine, but

fails miserably in other charts. Do you want me to post some examples?

Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion. That's why I say that what

we thinking as to be atmakarak might be darakarak or amtyakarak. It might be the

case if we are using incorrect Ayanamsha. I am not sure but vinayJi is quit

sure. What are your views?

RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand. So do everyone, who is

reading this.

Dear VinayJi,

You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I will be more that happy if

you be able to prove that our Shastras, our Suryasiddhantic calculation methods

superior to some false European propagandas.

All I can do is that I can test the charts created in your software and share my

views.

Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case studies of some well known

person which are based on calculations made from your software?

VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have no faith in Bphs. This is a

wrong assumption which you are making. Parashara is the father of jyotish. He is

the beginning but not the end. Even I will not be surprised, if other day

someone comes and say that he has few undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit itself to one scripture. As

a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I also very well understand that still

lot is hidden in bphs which is hard to understand.

Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which might be used for wrong

purpose.

If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we didn't have to live in the

shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is not parashara. His level is much

beyond our anticipation.

VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish guru whatsoever. I am free and

own my own. I represent myself and no one else. Please don't misunderstand. I

got nothing to do with any jyotish gurus. I am just tying to collect gems in

heap of stones. If you have some gems then I will be more then happy collect

then from you.

For analysis, please post links to the predictive results of some well known

person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta calculation methods.

Hara Rama Krishna,

Regards,

Arun.

vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Arun,

>

> See copy of my earlier response after the following quote of your musings...

>

> I do not know how you deduced from my response that I am against Pt. Rath's

views!!

>

> All I said as I have always. Thinkers and analytical minds like yours will

ONLY be satisfied after they have tested something themselves and would not

easily be able to go with what someone says, no matter how accomplished!

>

> It is good to ask questions but then one must stop the inner chatter so that

what others are saying sinks in ;-)

>

> RR__,

>

> vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> >

> > ...

> > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days

back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that [he] is against pt.Rath

views)

>

> ...

>

> |||||||||||||||||||||||

> 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

>

> Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

>

> It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

>

> Take a few charts of individuals that you know and can go back to confirm

facts

> -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings than your internet

> acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

>

> See if their experiences and expressions match best with the Kshetra varga

> perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once you have gone through that

a

> few times, you would not have to rely on and have to provide citations for

which

> ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that nuance or ultimate TRUTH!

>

> Until then, regardless of how many books, articles, postings by Gurujis etc

get

> written and re-written and yet again -- these very questions shall continue to

> arrive!

>

> The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a western classical music piece:

> PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT was not what the chain of

> rebirths was really all about...!

>

> RR_,

>

March 7, 2010

If you have tested it, Dear Arun, then why don't you share your findings, rather

than playing games ;-)

Astrology is not a game of cards or pastime. Or maybe it is for you! Which is

fine -- what do I care ;-)

RR

vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity wrote:

>

> Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

>

> I might have come to wrong conclusion from your statements. My apologies, if

it is true.

>

> Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa, Swamsa or Karak lagan.

>

> Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct but I didn't ask this

question without testing these concepts in many charts?

>

> I have spend days and days with this karakamsa concept to verify verses of

parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In some chart it works all fine, but

fails miserably in other charts. Do you want me to post some examples?

>

> Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion. That's why I say that what

we thinking as to be atmakarak might be darakarak or amtyakarak. It might be the

case if we are using incorrect Ayanamsha. I am not sure but vinayJi is quit

sure. What are your views?

>

> RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand. So do everyone, who is

reading this.

>

> Dear VinayJi,

>

> You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I will be more that happy

if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our Suryasiddhantic calculation

methods superior to some false European propagandas.

>

> All I can do is that I can test the charts created in your software and share

my views.

> Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case studies of some well

known person which are based on calculations made from your software?

>

> VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have no faith in Bphs. This is a

wrong assumption which you are making. Parashara is the father of jyotish. He is

the beginning but not the end. Even I will not be surprised, if other day

someone comes and say that he has few undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

>

> Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit itself to one scripture.

As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I also very well understand that still

lot is hidden in bphs which is hard to understand.

>

> Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which might be used for wrong

purpose.

>

> If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we didn't have to live in the

shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is not parashara. His level is much

beyond our anticipation.

>

> VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish guru whatsoever. I am free

and own my own. I represent myself and no one else. Please don't misunderstand.

I got nothing to do with any jyotish gurus. I am just tying to collect gems in

heap of stones. If you have some gems then I will be more then happy collect

then from you.

>

> For analysis, please post links to the predictive results of some well known

person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta calculation methods.

>

> Hara Rama Krishna,

> Regards,

> Arun.

>

> vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Arun,

> >

> > See copy of my earlier response after the following quote of your musings...

> >

> > I do not know how you deduced from my response that I am against Pt. Rath's

views!!

> >

> > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and analytical minds like yours will

ONLY be satisfied after they have tested something themselves and would not

easily be able to go with what someone says, no matter how accomplished!

> >

> > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop the inner chatter so that

what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> >

> > RR__,

> >

> > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ...

> > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days

back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that [he] is against pt.Rath

views)

> >

> > ...

> >

> > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> >

> > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> >

> > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> >

> > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and can go back to confirm

facts

> > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings than your internet

> > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> >

> > See if their experiences and expressions match best with the Kshetra varga

> > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once you have gone through

that a

> > few times, you would not have to rely on and have to provide citations for

which

> > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that nuance or ultimate TRUTH!

> >

> > Until then, regardless of how many books, articles, postings by Gurujis etc

get

> > written and re-written and yet again -- these very questions shall continue

to

> > arrive!

> >

> > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a western classical music piece:

> > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT was not what the chain of

> > rebirths was really all about...!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

>

March 7, 2010

RohiniJi,

I was just searching through the articles which you have written, i find this:

" a text that is so ancient, it is not surprising that discrepancies exist, but

the beginner in jyotish should be watchful about these and should approach what

is stated in these books with an open and questioning mind. Much of astrology is

definable in terms of clear logical threads, although there is a lot where logic

is not apparent. One must not hesitate to question if such situations represent

missing logic, missing keys or are simply inaccurate. In this context, it

bothers me quite a bit to notice the near absence of example horoscopes right

across the board in jyotish classics. "

source: http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm

This is indeed a nice article which you have written in year 2000.

Hare Rama Krishna,

Regards,

Arun.

vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> If you have tested it, Dear Arun, then why don't you share your findings,

rather than playing games ;-)

>

> Astrology is not a game of cards or pastime. Or maybe it is for you! Which is

fine -- what do I care ;-)

>

> RR

>

> vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> >

> > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your statements. My apologies, if

it is true.

> >

> > Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa, Swamsa or Karak lagan.

> >

> > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct but I didn't ask this

question without testing these concepts in many charts?

> >

> > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa concept to verify verses of

parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In some chart it works all fine, but

fails miserably in other charts. Do you want me to post some examples?

> >

> > Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion. That's why I say that

what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be darakarak or amtyakarak. It might

be the case if we are using incorrect Ayanamsha. I am not sure but vinayJi is

quit sure. What are your views?

> >

> > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand. So do everyone, who is

reading this.

> >

> > Dear VinayJi,

> >

> > You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I will be more that happy

if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our Suryasiddhantic calculation

methods superior to some false European propagandas.

> >

> > All I can do is that I can test the charts created in your software and

share my views.

> > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case studies of some well

known person which are based on calculations made from your software?

> >

> > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have no faith in Bphs. This is

a wrong assumption which you are making. Parashara is the father of jyotish. He

is the beginning but not the end. Even I will not be surprised, if other day

someone comes and say that he has few undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> >

> > Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit itself to one

scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I also very well understand

that still lot is hidden in bphs which is hard to understand.

> >

> > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which might be used for wrong

purpose.

> >

> > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we didn't have to live in

the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is not parashara. His level is much

beyond our anticipation.

> >

> > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish guru whatsoever. I am free

and own my own. I represent myself and no one else. Please don't misunderstand.

I got nothing to do with any jyotish gurus. I am just tying to collect gems in

heap of stones. If you have some gems then I will be more then happy collect

then from you.

> >

> > For analysis, please post links to the predictive results of some well known

person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta calculation methods.

> >

> > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > Regards,

> > Arun.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Arun,

> > >

> > > See copy of my earlier response after the following quote of your

musings...

> > >

> > > I do not know how you deduced from my response that I am against Pt.

Rath's views!!

> > >

> > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and analytical minds like yours will

ONLY be satisfied after they have tested something themselves and would not

easily be able to go with what someone says, no matter how accomplished!

> > >

> > > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop the inner chatter so

that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > >

> > > RR__,

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few

days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that [he] is against

pt.Rath views)

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> > >

> > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > >

> > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > >

> > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and can go back to confirm

facts

> > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings than your internet

> > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > >

> > > See if their experiences and expressions match best with the Kshetra varga

> > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once you have gone through

that a

> > > few times, you would not have to rely on and have to provide citations for

which

> > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that nuance or ultimate TRUTH!

> > >

> > > Until then, regardless of how many books, articles, postings by Gurujis

etc get

> > > written and re-written and yet again -- these very questions shall

continue to

> > > arrive!

> > >

> > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a western classical music piece:

> > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT was not what the chain

of

> > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> >

>

March 7, 2010

Thanks

vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity wrote:

>

> RohiniJi,

>

> I was just searching through the articles which you have written, i find this:

>

> " a text that is so ancient, it is not surprising that discrepancies exist, but

the beginner in jyotish should be watchful about these and should approach what

is stated in these books with an open and questioning mind. Much of astrology is

definable in terms of clear logical threads, although there is a lot where logic

is not apparent. One must not hesitate to question if such situations represent

missing logic, missing keys or are simply inaccurate. In this context, it

bothers me quite a bit to notice the near absence of example horoscopes right

across the board in jyotish classics. "

>

> source: http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm

>

> This is indeed a nice article which you have written in year 2000.

>

> Hare Rama Krishna,

> Regards,

> Arun.

>

> vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > If you have tested it, Dear Arun, then why don't you share your findings,

rather than playing games ;-)

> >

> > Astrology is not a game of cards or pastime. Or maybe it is for you! Which

is fine -- what do I care ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> > >

> > > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your statements. My apologies,

if it is true.

> > >

> > > Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa, Swamsa or Karak lagan.

> > >

> > > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct but I didn't ask this

question without testing these concepts in many charts?

> > >

> > > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa concept to verify verses of

parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In some chart it works all fine, but

fails miserably in other charts. Do you want me to post some examples?

> > >

> > > Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion. That's why I say that

what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be darakarak or amtyakarak. It might

be the case if we are using incorrect Ayanamsha. I am not sure but vinayJi is

quit sure. What are your views?

> > >

> > > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand. So do everyone, who

is reading this.

> > >

> > > Dear VinayJi,

> > >

> > > You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I will be more that

happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our Suryasiddhantic calculation

methods superior to some false European propagandas.

> > >

> > > All I can do is that I can test the charts created in your software and

share my views.

> > > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case studies of some well

known person which are based on calculations made from your software?

> > >

> > > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have no faith in Bphs. This

is a wrong assumption which you are making. Parashara is the father of jyotish.

He is the beginning but not the end. Even I will not be surprised, if other day

someone comes and say that he has few undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> > >

> > > Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit itself to one

scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I also very well understand

that still lot is hidden in bphs which is hard to understand.

> > >

> > > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which might be used for

wrong purpose.

> > >

> > > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we didn't have to live in

the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is not parashara. His level is much

beyond our anticipation.

> > >

> > > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish guru whatsoever. I am

free and own my own. I represent myself and no one else. Please don't

misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any jyotish gurus. I am just tying to

collect gems in heap of stones. If you have some gems then I will be more then

happy collect then from you.

> > >

> > > For analysis, please post links to the predictive results of some well

known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta calculation methods.

> > >

> > > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > > Regards,

> > > Arun.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Arun,

> > > >

> > > > See copy of my earlier response after the following quote of your

musings...

> > > >

> > > > I do not know how you deduced from my response that I am against Pt.

Rath's views!!

> > > >

> > > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and analytical minds like yours

will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested something themselves and would not

easily be able to go with what someone says, no matter how accomplished!

> > > >

> > > > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop the inner chatter so

that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR__,

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few

days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that [he] is against

pt.Rath views)

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> > > >

> > > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > > >

> > > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > > >

> > > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and can go back to

confirm facts

> > > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings than your internet

> > > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > > >

> > > > See if their experiences and expressions match best with the Kshetra

varga

> > > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once you have gone through

that a

> > > > few times, you would not have to rely on and have to provide citations

for which

> > > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that nuance or ultimate

TRUTH!

> > > >

> > > > Until then, regardless of how many books, articles, postings by Gurujis

etc get

> > > > written and re-written and yet again -- these very questions shall

continue to

> > > > arrive!

> > > >

> > > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a western classical music

piece:

> > > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT was not what the chain

of

> > > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 8, 2010

Dear Arun

Pointwise answers to your questions, please read it, dont reply to me, as i dont

see mails too often these days.

1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to trust?

Trust what you feel is working for you. Trust the truth, not the individual.

2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

8 Char Karaka works for me, for many it is 7 char karaka. So, it is upto you to

decide.

3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days

Ans) Karakamsa to be seen in navamsa, but i am not an authority. You can study

and publish your findings.

4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or moon

naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen from

moon nakshatra.

ans) Same as above.

5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

Shastyamsa chart, and also Rasi Chart.

6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

ans) Authenticity? :-))

7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too?

Ans) Narayan dasa is calculated separately for each divisional chart.

8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed

vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

Ans) Tithi ashtottari is the recommended one. BUt you can try others as well.

Light doesnot come so easily. Everyone is in the same tunnel.

Regards

Partha

> > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste,

> >

> > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light.

> >

> > Also share your judgment regarding the following:-

> >

> > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to

trust?

> > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days

back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against pt.Rath

views)

> > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or moon

naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen from

moon nakshatra.

> > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too?

> > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed

vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

> >

> > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do.

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > Arun.

> >

vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity wrote:

>

> Dear VinayJi Namaste,

>

> Hope NarashimaJi, could add one more Ayanamsha in JHora, but till then please

share the offset value, which you are using. Is this offset is to be applied to

Lahari Ayanamsha or some other Ayanamsha?

>

> Is it just a coincidence that when every one is fighting about 7 or 8 char

karaka, you come and say, lahari ayanamsha is incorrect. So what might seem to

be atma karaka might become dara karaka or amtya Karak.

>

> Sri k.n.rao, has ended the ayanamsha war by accepting lahari ayanamsha to be

correct. I don't know where it is good to start it again but it is worth

investing time on your new ayanamsha predictive value as you have quite

accurately predicted rainfall by using it.

>

> Regarding the question I asked, vinayJi it's important for all of us to take a

stand. It's important to clearly state points of disagreement.

>

> For char karaka parashara says, there are 7 char karaka, but some consider 8

char karaka.

>

> For karakamsa he says, it is the navamsha occupied by atmakaraka. Nothing

else.

>

> For vimshottari dasha he says that it is calculated from moon nakshatra, but

didn't talk about other possibilities.

>

> He didn't talk about moola dasha, but it is the most powerful dasha known

today, much more powerful then vimshottari. Kalayan verma has always used this

dasha instead of vimshottari.

>

> Neither he talk about extension of char dasha or narayana dasha in divisional

charts.

>

> Tithi pravesh, is not mentioned in his work.

>

> He considers mandooka dasha, kaalchakra dasha and many more dasha as not being

appropriate. I don't know much about kaalchakra dasha, but mandooka dasha is

just magical.

>

> Sage parashara was very brief. He left us, on our own to decide many things. I

have spent days and days to find these answers. Probably that's why I am here,

to find answer to my questions.

>

> Yes, Rashi sandhi, this is the invention of sanjayJi with unclear background

from which I disagree… but it no way reduces the importance of good things which

he has given to jyotish.

>

> And RohiniJi, oops…Now I know, sorry for mistake

>

> vinayJi, please share the offset value.

>

> Hare Rama Krishna,

>

> Regards,

> Arun.

>

> vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Arun Ji,

> >

> > Rohini Ji is 'he' and not 'she'. His name is Rohiniranjan which means 'One

who pleases Rohini'.

> >

> > The confusions you mention are merely tips of the iceberg. Whenever such

confusions surface, try to find out what the rishis advised. Most of your

questions are answered in BPHS. Please try to understand it yourself ; as long

as you will try to find out readymade answers, you will not perform Rishi-yajna

which is indespensable for understanding the true meanings of what rishis said.

> >

> > Unless and until confusions in Ganita are cleared, confusions in Phalita

will continue to increase due to endeavours of moderners to change the rules of

Phalita to suit physical astronomy. Most of software makers do not even provide

the option of traditional Ganita because they think traditional Ganita was

wrong, forgetting that it served Jyotisha for millenia. The very definition of

Ayanamsha has been drastically changed by Colebrooke who had no interest or

faith in astrology.

> >

> > It is neither my mission nor in my powers to remove all these confusions.

Jyotisha cannot be learnt like modern disciplines. It needs Tapasyaa,

Brahmacharya, etc, which are outside modern curricula.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ====================== =========

> > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste,

> > >

> > > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light.

> > >

> > > Also share your judgment regarding the following:-

> > >

> > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to

trust?

> > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days

back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against pt.Rath

views)

> > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or

moon naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen

from moon nakshatra.

> > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too?

> > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed

vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

> > >

> > > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do.

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > Arun.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > To All :

> > > >

> > > > The following webpage contains a brief description of Kaala-chakra

> > > > Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods, which some modern astrologers are

> > > > interpreting according to novel ideas contrary to the original plan of

> > > > Sage Parashara :

> > > >

> > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > > >

> > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > ============== ====== ==

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 8, 2010

Arun Ji,

Please forget the past. I do not like to remember true or false

personal grudges. As for testing Suryasiddhantic charts, I am surprised

to learn that you successfully downloaded Kundalee Software from

http://kundalee.wikidot.com/ but did not have time to read the

linked pages which describe dozens of case studies. The download pages

says :

You will get a lot of articles and guides about how to use this software

at :Click-MainPage <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/> , esp at

Click-SoftwareGuide <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Software> ;

Click-Basics

<http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Interpretation+of+Horoscope+%3A+Ba\

sics> ; Click-Basics2

<http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Origin+and+Meaning+of+Horoscopic+H\

ouses> ; Click-Vimshottari_Dasha

<http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vimshottari+Dasha> ;

Click-DeathPrediction

<http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death> ;

Click-Example_Napoleon

<http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Napoleon+Bonaparte-6> ;

Click-Example_BrainDamage

<http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Brain+Damage>

See http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/

The most elaborate case studies are at :

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Annual+Rains

Sincerely,

-VJ

================== ===

vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity

wrote:

>

> Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

>

> I might have come to wrong conclusion from your statements. My

apologies, if it is true.

>

> Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa, Swamsa or Karak

lagan.

>

> Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct but I didn't ask

this question without testing these concepts in many charts?

>

> I have spend days and days with this karakamsa concept to verify

verses of parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In some chart it

works all fine, but fails miserably in other charts. Do you want me to

post some examples?

>

> Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion. That's why I say

that what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be darakarak or

amtyakarak. It might be the case if we are using incorrect Ayanamsha. I

am not sure but vinayJi is quit sure. What are your views?

>

> RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand. So do everyone,

who is reading this.

>

> Dear VinayJi,

>

> You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I will be more that

happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our Suryasiddhantic

calculation methods superior to some false European propagandas.

>

> All I can do is that I can test the charts created in your software

and share my views.

> Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case studies of some

well known person which are based on calculations made from your

software?

>

> VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have no faith in Bphs.

This is a wrong assumption which you are making. Parashara is the father

of jyotish. He is the beginning but not the end. Even I will not be

surprised, if other day someone comes and say that he has few

undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

>

> Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit itself to one

scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I also very well

understand that still lot is hidden in bphs which is hard to understand.

>

> Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which might be used for

wrong purpose.

>

> If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we didn't have to live

in the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is not parashara. His

level is much beyond our anticipation.

>

> VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish guru whatsoever. I

am free and own my own. I represent myself and no one else. Please don't

misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any jyotish gurus. I am just

tying to collect gems in heap of stones. If you have some gems then I

will be more then happy collect then from you.

>

> For analysis, please post links to the predictive results of some well

known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta calculation methods.

>

> Hara Rama Krishna,

> Regards,

> Arun.

>

> vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@

wrote:

> >

> > Arun,

> >

> > See copy of my earlier response after the following quote of your

musings...

> >

> > I do not know how you deduced from my response that I am against Pt.

Rath's views!!

> >

> > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and analytical minds like

yours will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested something themselves

and would not easily be able to go with what someone says, no matter how

accomplished!

> >

> > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop the inner chatter

so that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> >

> > RR__,

> >

> > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > ...

> > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart?

(few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that [he] is

against pt.Rath views)

> >

> > ...

> >

> > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> >

> > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> >

> > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> >

> > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and can go back to

confirm facts

> > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings than your internet

> > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> >

> > See if their experiences and expressions match best with the Kshetra

varga

> > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once you have gone

through that a

> > few times, you would not have to rely on and have to provide

citations for which

> > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that nuance or ultimate

TRUTH!

> >

> > Until then, regardless of how many books, articles, postings by

Gurujis etc get

> > written and re-written and yet again -- these very questions shall

continue to

> > arrive!

> >

> > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a western classical music

piece:

> > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT was not what the

chain of

> > rebirths was really all about...!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

>

March 8, 2010

Dear Aruninthecity,

You *wrote* to Vinajy Ji*You have dedicated your life to these noble

cause. I will be more that happy

if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our Suryasiddhantic

calculation methods superior to some false European propagandas.

You also wrote to Rohini few things in your Josh. Do you know what are

the idioms in Hindi which justify your learning of Jyotish , so far

-*ADH JAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE* and *THOTHA CHANA BAAJE GHANA* and lastly

*JOSH MAIN HOSH KHONA*. Hope 3 will suffice,as I want to save

space....(:

Little lesson from the story so far - Revise and revise again when you

write anything !

Raj Bhardwaj

vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity

wrote:

>

> RohiniJi,

>

> I was just searching through the articles which you have written, i

find this:

>

> " a text that is so ancient, it is not surprising that discrepancies

exist, but the beginner in jyotish should be watchful about these and

should approach what is stated in these books with an open and

questioning mind. Much of astrology is definable in terms of clear

logical threads, although there is a lot where logic is not apparent.

One must not hesitate to question if such situations represent missing

logic, missing keys or are simply inaccurate. In this context, it

bothers me quite a bit to notice the near absence of example horoscopes

right across the board in jyotish classics. "

>

> source: http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm

>

> This is indeed a nice article which you have written in year 2000.

>

> Hare Rama Krishna,

> Regards,

> Arun.

>

> vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@

wrote:

> >

> > If you have tested it, Dear Arun, then why don't you share your

findings, rather than playing games ;-)

> >

> > Astrology is not a game of cards or pastime. Or maybe it is for you!

Which is fine -- what do I care ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> > >

> > > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your statements. My

apologies, if it is true.

> > >

> > > Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa, Swamsa or Karak

lagan.

> > >

> > > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct but I didn't

ask this question without testing these concepts in many charts?

> > >

> > > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa concept to verify

verses of parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In some chart it

works all fine, but fails miserably in other charts. Do you want me to

post some examples?

> > >

> > > Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion. That's why I

say that what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be darakarak or

amtyakarak. It might be the case if we are using incorrect Ayanamsha. I

am not sure but vinayJi is quit sure. What are your views?

> > >

> > > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand. So do

everyone, who is reading this.

> > >

> > > Dear VinayJi,

> > >

> > > You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I will be more

that happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

Suryasiddhantic calculation methods superior to some false European

propagandas.

> > >

> > > All I can do is that I can test the charts created in your

software and share my views.

> > > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case studies of

some well known person which are based on calculations made from your

software?

> > >

> > > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have no faith in

Bphs. This is a wrong assumption which you are making. Parashara is the

father of jyotish. He is the beginning but not the end. Even I will not

be surprised, if other day someone comes and say that he has few

undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> > >

> > > Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit itself to one

scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I also very well

understand that still lot is hidden in bphs which is hard to understand.

> > >

> > > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which might be used

for wrong purpose.

> > >

> > > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we didn't have to

live in the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is not parashara.

His level is much beyond our anticipation.

> > >

> > > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish guru whatsoever.

I am free and own my own. I represent myself and no one else. Please

don't misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any jyotish gurus. I am

just tying to collect gems in heap of stones. If you have some gems then

I will be more then happy collect then from you.

> > >

> > > For analysis, please post links to the predictive results of some

well known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta calculation methods.

> > >

> > > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > > Regards,

> > > Arun.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Arun,

> > > >

> > > > See copy of my earlier response after the following quote of

your musings...

> > > >

> > > > I do not know how you deduced from my response that I am against

Pt. Rath's views!!

> > > >

> > > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and analytical minds like

yours will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested something themselves

and would not easily be able to go with what someone says, no matter how

accomplished!

> > > >

> > > > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop the inner

chatter so that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR__,

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha

chart? (few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that

[he] is against pt.Rath views)

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> > > >

> > > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > > >

> > > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > > >

> > > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and can go back

to confirm facts

> > > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings than your

internet

> > > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > > >

> > > > See if their experiences and expressions match best with the

Kshetra varga

> > > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once you have gone

through that a

> > > > few times, you would not have to rely on and have to provide

citations for which

> > > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that nuance or

ultimate TRUTH!

> > > >

> > > > Until then, regardless of how many books, articles, postings by

Gurujis etc get

> > > > written and re-written and yet again -- these very questions

shall continue to

> > > > arrive!

> > > >

> > > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a western classical

music piece:

> > > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT was not what

the chain of

> > > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 8, 2010

Dear rajbhardwaj1949,

I am happy to be *adhajal ghara*, being so i have more opportunities to learn

from the vast experience of RohiniJi, vinayJi, SanjayJi, NarashimaJi.

I am happy the the way i am. i have not learn enough since last few years in

comparison to what i have learned in few days.

I hope rohiniJi is not bothered by my very very small ego and will shower his

grace on me in future as well.

BTW: Do even realize the importance of VinayJi work. I am not a fool that i call

every second research done by an xyz person as being noble.

tc

vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

>

> Dear Aruninthecity,

>

> You *wrote* to Vinajy Ji*You have dedicated your life to these noble

> cause. I will be more that happy

> if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our Suryasiddhantic

> calculation methods superior to some false European propagandas.

>

> You also wrote to Rohini few things in your Josh. Do you know what are

> the idioms in Hindi which justify your learning of Jyotish , so far

> -*ADH JAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE* and *THOTHA CHANA BAAJE GHANA* and lastly

> *JOSH MAIN HOSH KHONA*. Hope 3 will suffice,as I want to save

> space....(:

>

> Little lesson from the story so far - Revise and revise again when you

> write anything !

> Raj Bhardwaj

>

> vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> wrote:

> >

> > RohiniJi,

> >

> > I was just searching through the articles which you have written, i

> find this:

> >

> > " a text that is so ancient, it is not surprising that discrepancies

> exist, but the beginner in jyotish should be watchful about these and

> should approach what is stated in these books with an open and

> questioning mind. Much of astrology is definable in terms of clear

> logical threads, although there is a lot where logic is not apparent.

> One must not hesitate to question if such situations represent missing

> logic, missing keys or are simply inaccurate. In this context, it

> bothers me quite a bit to notice the near absence of example horoscopes

> right across the board in jyotish classics. "

> >

> > source: http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm

> >

> > This is indeed a nice article which you have written in year 2000.

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > Regards,

> > Arun.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > If you have tested it, Dear Arun, then why don't you share your

> findings, rather than playing games ;-)

> > >

> > > Astrology is not a game of cards or pastime. Or maybe it is for you!

> Which is fine -- what do I care ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your statements. My

> apologies, if it is true.

> > > >

> > > > Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa, Swamsa or Karak

> lagan.

> > > >

> > > > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct but I didn't

> ask this question without testing these concepts in many charts?

> > > >

> > > > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa concept to verify

> verses of parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In some chart it

> works all fine, but fails miserably in other charts. Do you want me to

> post some examples?

> > > >

> > > > Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion. That's why I

> say that what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be darakarak or

> amtyakarak. It might be the case if we are using incorrect Ayanamsha. I

> am not sure but vinayJi is quit sure. What are your views?

> > > >

> > > > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand. So do

> everyone, who is reading this.

> > > >

> > > > Dear VinayJi,

> > > >

> > > > You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I will be more

> that happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

> Suryasiddhantic calculation methods superior to some false European

> propagandas.

> > > >

> > > > All I can do is that I can test the charts created in your

> software and share my views.

> > > > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case studies of

> some well known person which are based on calculations made from your

> software?

> > > >

> > > > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have no faith in

> Bphs. This is a wrong assumption which you are making. Parashara is the

> father of jyotish. He is the beginning but not the end. Even I will not

> be surprised, if other day someone comes and say that he has few

> undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> > > >

> > > > Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit itself to one

> scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I also very well

> understand that still lot is hidden in bphs which is hard to understand.

> > > >

> > > > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which might be used

> for wrong purpose.

> > > >

> > > > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we didn't have to

> live in the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is not parashara.

> His level is much beyond our anticipation.

> > > >

> > > > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish guru whatsoever.

> I am free and own my own. I represent myself and no one else. Please

> don't misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any jyotish gurus. I am

> just tying to collect gems in heap of stones. If you have some gems then

> I will be more then happy collect then from you.

> > > >

> > > > For analysis, please post links to the predictive results of some

> well known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta calculation methods.

> > > >

> > > > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Arun.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Arun,

> > > > >

> > > > > See copy of my earlier response after the following quote of

> your musings...

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know how you deduced from my response that I am against

> Pt. Rath's views!!

> > > > >

> > > > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and analytical minds like

> yours will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested something themselves

> and would not easily be able to go with what someone says, no matter how

> accomplished!

> > > > >

> > > > > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop the inner

> chatter so that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR__,

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha

> chart? (few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that

> [he] is against pt.Rath views)

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > > > >

> > > > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > > > >

> > > > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and can go back

> to confirm facts

> > > > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings than your

> internet

> > > > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > > > >

> > > > > See if their experiences and expressions match best with the

> Kshetra varga

> > > > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once you have gone

> through that a

> > > > > few times, you would not have to rely on and have to provide

> citations for which

> > > > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that nuance or

> ultimate TRUTH!

> > > > >

> > > > > Until then, regardless of how many books, articles, postings by

> Gurujis etc get

> > > > > written and re-written and yet again -- these very questions

> shall continue to

> > > > > arrive!

> > > > >

> > > > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a western classical

> music piece:

> > > > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT was not what

> the chain of

> > > > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 8, 2010

VinayJi Namaste,

I have already gone thought these links. After going thought these links I

downloaded your software because your view does excite me. In all the links

specified by you, I only found chart discussion of Napoleon. For obvious

reasons, this one chart discussion not enough.

When I was talking about the offset, I was referring you toward Ayanamsha

offset, which is supported by JHora, however it has no provisions of planetary

offset.

Initially your software is not running on my machine, but now it is working all

fine. I am excited to see the results. You have collected some hard to find

charts as well, such as Lallu prashad, rabri devi…

You are also right about the fact that HoraLagan and Ghatika Lagan are points on

rashi charka and got nothing to do with bhava charka. Both of them are

calculated by adding a value to rashi longitude of surya. This value is off

course calculated by finding number of ghatikas passed since sunrise divide by

2.5 and 1 resp…

Now take the example of Sri A.V. Vajpayee.

He is under Jupiter dasha since April- 2002 acc to lahari and march-2001 acc to

suryaSiddhanta.

Both are giving 3ld house to this Jupiter in rashi, but in navamsha lahari is

giving Jupiter Gemini rashi and suryasiddhanta is giving it cancer rashi… the

kind of reputation he had even when his party is facing such major turn around,

its clear.

Acc to lahari, in navamsha this Jupiter is lord of two kendras in Kendra without

any trine influence and in sign of its enemy mercury, such placement can never

give such a clean and powerful image. Even when he has retired from politics

because of his old age he still enjoys such a powerful influence.

VinayJi, if you can come up with such explanations then your job might become

easier.

The only problem is that you are using different time for all most all of your

charts. It become almost impossible to convinces everyone with the change in

birth time.

According to suryaSiddhanta SanjayJi atmakarak is Jupiter, which clearly

explains why he is a writer and an astrologer.

In " effect of karakans " chapter parashara clearly said if moon is in karakans

native will be a scholar. If Jupiter in karakans, native will be a writer.

Influence of rahu on 2th or 5th will shows interest in jyotish.

Its not possible to explain this by considering saturn as his atmaKarak.

Hare Rama Krishna,

Regards,

Arun.

vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Arun Ji,

>

> Please forget the past. I do not like to remember true or false

> personal grudges. As for testing Suryasiddhantic charts, I am surprised

> to learn that you successfully downloaded Kundalee Software from

> http://kundalee.wikidot.com/ but did not have time to read the

> linked pages which describe dozens of case studies. The download pages

> says :

>

> You will get a lot of articles and guides about how to use this software

> at :Click-MainPage <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/> , esp at

> Click-SoftwareGuide <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Software> ;

> Click-Basics

> <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Interpretation+of+Horoscope+%3A+Ba\

> sics> ; Click-Basics2

> <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Origin+and+Meaning+of+Horoscopic+H\

> ouses> ; Click-Vimshottari_Dasha

> <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vimshottari+Dasha> ;

> Click-DeathPrediction

> <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death> ;

> Click-Example_Napoleon

> <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Napoleon+Bonaparte-6> ;

> Click-Example_BrainDamage

> <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Brain+Damage>

>

> See http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/

>

> The most elaborate case studies are at :

> http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Annual+Rains

>

> Sincerely,

>

> -VJ

> ================== ===

> vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> >

> > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your statements. My

> apologies, if it is true.

> >

> > Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa, Swamsa or Karak

> lagan.

> >

> > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct but I didn't ask

> this question without testing these concepts in many charts?

> >

> > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa concept to verify

> verses of parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In some chart it

> works all fine, but fails miserably in other charts. Do you want me to

> post some examples?

> >

> > Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion. That's why I say

> that what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be darakarak or

> amtyakarak. It might be the case if we are using incorrect Ayanamsha. I

> am not sure but vinayJi is quit sure. What are your views?

> >

> > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand. So do everyone,

> who is reading this.

> >

> > Dear VinayJi,

> >

> > You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I will be more that

> happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our Suryasiddhantic

> calculation methods superior to some false European propagandas.

> >

> > All I can do is that I can test the charts created in your software

> and share my views.

> > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case studies of some

> well known person which are based on calculations made from your

> software?

> >

> > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have no faith in Bphs.

> This is a wrong assumption which you are making. Parashara is the father

> of jyotish. He is the beginning but not the end. Even I will not be

> surprised, if other day someone comes and say that he has few

> undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> >

> > Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit itself to one

> scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I also very well

> understand that still lot is hidden in bphs which is hard to understand.

> >

> > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which might be used for

> wrong purpose.

> >

> > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we didn't have to live

> in the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is not parashara. His

> level is much beyond our anticipation.

> >

> > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish guru whatsoever. I

> am free and own my own. I represent myself and no one else. Please don't

> misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any jyotish gurus. I am just

> tying to collect gems in heap of stones. If you have some gems then I

> will be more then happy collect then from you.

> >

> > For analysis, please post links to the predictive results of some well

> known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta calculation methods.

> >

> > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > Regards,

> > Arun.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Arun,

> > >

> > > See copy of my earlier response after the following quote of your

> musings...

> > >

> > > I do not know how you deduced from my response that I am against Pt.

> Rath's views!!

> > >

> > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and analytical minds like

> yours will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested something themselves

> and would not easily be able to go with what someone says, no matter how

> accomplished!

> > >

> > > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop the inner chatter

> so that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > >

> > > RR__,

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart?

> (few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that [he] is

> against pt.Rath views)

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> > >

> > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > >

> > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > >

> > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and can go back to

> confirm facts

> > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings than your internet

> > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > >

> > > See if their experiences and expressions match best with the Kshetra

> varga

> > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once you have gone

> through that a

> > > few times, you would not have to rely on and have to provide

> citations for which

> > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that nuance or ultimate

> TRUTH!

> > >

> > > Until then, regardless of how many books, articles, postings by

> Gurujis etc get

> > > written and re-written and yet again -- these very questions shall

> continue to

> > > arrive!

> > >

> > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a western classical music

> piece:

> > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT was not what the

> chain of

> > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> >

>

March 9, 2010

Thanks. I too am *Adhajal Ghara*,but I dont do MATAK-SHATAK,in the company

of/or in the presence of Gurus you have named, and quite a few others,front of

the *POORNA GHARAS* when doing Gyanarjan ; (learning Jyotish )and am doing so

right from my birth , quite long ago. Silence can prove golden MOST of the

times. My best wishes for learning nonetheless !

Raj Bhardwaj

vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity wrote:

>

> Dear rajbhardwaj1949,

>

> I am happy to be *adhajal ghara*, being so i have more opportunities to learn

from the vast experience of RohiniJi, vinayJi, SanjayJi, NarashimaJi.

>

> I am happy the the way i am. i have not learn enough since last few years in

comparison to what i have learned in few days.

>

> I hope rohiniJi is not bothered by my very very small ego and will shower his

grace on me in future as well.

>

> BTW: Do even realize the importance of VinayJi work. I am not a fool that i

call every second research done by an xyz person as being noble.

>

> tc

>

> vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Aruninthecity,

> >

> > You *wrote* to Vinajy Ji*You have dedicated your life to these noble

> > cause. I will be more that happy

> > if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our Suryasiddhantic

> > calculation methods superior to some false European propagandas.

> >

> > You also wrote to Rohini few things in your Josh. Do you know what are

> > the idioms in Hindi which justify your learning of Jyotish , so far

> > -*ADH JAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE* and *THOTHA CHANA BAAJE GHANA* and lastly

> > *JOSH MAIN HOSH KHONA*. Hope 3 will suffice,as I want to save

> > space....(:

> >

> > Little lesson from the story so far - Revise and revise again when you

> > write anything !

> > Raj Bhardwaj

> >

> > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > RohiniJi,

> > >

> > > I was just searching through the articles which you have written, i

> > find this:

> > >

> > > " a text that is so ancient, it is not surprising that discrepancies

> > exist, but the beginner in jyotish should be watchful about these and

> > should approach what is stated in these books with an open and

> > questioning mind. Much of astrology is definable in terms of clear

> > logical threads, although there is a lot where logic is not apparent.

> > One must not hesitate to question if such situations represent missing

> > logic, missing keys or are simply inaccurate. In this context, it

> > bothers me quite a bit to notice the near absence of example horoscopes

> > right across the board in jyotish classics. "

> > >

> > > source: http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm

> > >

> > > This is indeed a nice article which you have written in year 2000.

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > Regards,

> > > Arun.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > If you have tested it, Dear Arun, then why don't you share your

> > findings, rather than playing games ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Astrology is not a game of cards or pastime. Or maybe it is for you!

> > Which is fine -- what do I care ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your statements. My

> > apologies, if it is true.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa, Swamsa or Karak

> > lagan.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct but I didn't

> > ask this question without testing these concepts in many charts?

> > > > >

> > > > > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa concept to verify

> > verses of parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In some chart it

> > works all fine, but fails miserably in other charts. Do you want me to

> > post some examples?

> > > > >

> > > > > Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion. That's why I

> > say that what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be darakarak or

> > amtyakarak. It might be the case if we are using incorrect Ayanamsha. I

> > am not sure but vinayJi is quit sure. What are your views?

> > > > >

> > > > > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand. So do

> > everyone, who is reading this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear VinayJi,

> > > > >

> > > > > You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I will be more

> > that happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

> > Suryasiddhantic calculation methods superior to some false European

> > propagandas.

> > > > >

> > > > > All I can do is that I can test the charts created in your

> > software and share my views.

> > > > > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case studies of

> > some well known person which are based on calculations made from your

> > software?

> > > > >

> > > > > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have no faith in

> > Bphs. This is a wrong assumption which you are making. Parashara is the

> > father of jyotish. He is the beginning but not the end. Even I will not

> > be surprised, if other day someone comes and say that he has few

> > undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit itself to one

> > scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I also very well

> > understand that still lot is hidden in bphs which is hard to understand.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which might be used

> > for wrong purpose.

> > > > >

> > > > > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we didn't have to

> > live in the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is not parashara.

> > His level is much beyond our anticipation.

> > > > >

> > > > > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish guru whatsoever.

> > I am free and own my own. I represent myself and no one else. Please

> > don't misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any jyotish gurus. I am

> > just tying to collect gems in heap of stones. If you have some gems then

> > I will be more then happy collect then from you.

> > > > >

> > > > > For analysis, please post links to the predictive results of some

> > well known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta calculation methods.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Arun.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Arun,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > See copy of my earlier response after the following quote of

> > your musings...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not know how you deduced from my response that I am against

> > Pt. Rath's views!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and analytical minds like

> > yours will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested something themselves

> > and would not easily be able to go with what someone says, no matter how

> > accomplished!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop the inner

> > chatter so that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR__,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha

> > chart? (few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that

> > [he] is against pt.Rath views)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and can go back

> > to confirm facts

> > > > > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings than your

> > internet

> > > > > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > See if their experiences and expressions match best with the

> > Kshetra varga

> > > > > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once you have gone

> > through that a

> > > > > > few times, you would not have to rely on and have to provide

> > citations for which

> > > > > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that nuance or

> > ultimate TRUTH!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Until then, regardless of how many books, articles, postings by

> > Gurujis etc get

> > > > > > written and re-written and yet again -- these very questions

> > shall continue to

> > > > > > arrive!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a western classical

> > music piece:

> > > > > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT was not what

> > the chain of

> > > > > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 9, 2010

Dear RajJi,

In my definition what you are doing is *matak shatak*. Indeed you are good in

doing this. I am not.

Why don't you only let jyotishi in you do the talking? Don't get inspired by

others. If others are jumping in the well, will you also jumps...

If you have something interesting to share from the point of view of discussion

then go ahead, share it.

Otherwise, please don't bother me.

Thanks in anticipation.

Hare Rama Krishna,

Arun.

vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

>

> Thanks. I too am *Adhajal Ghara*,but I dont do MATAK-SHATAK,in the company

of/or in the presence of Gurus you have named, and quite a few others,front of

the *POORNA GHARAS* when doing Gyanarjan ; (learning Jyotish )and am doing so

right from my birth , quite long ago. Silence can prove golden MOST of the

times. My best wishes for learning nonetheless !

>

> Raj Bhardwaj

>

> vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear rajbhardwaj1949,

> >

> > I am happy to be *adhajal ghara*, being so i have more opportunities to

learn from the vast experience of RohiniJi, vinayJi, SanjayJi, NarashimaJi.

> >

> > I am happy the the way i am. i have not learn enough since last few years in

comparison to what i have learned in few days.

> >

> > I hope rohiniJi is not bothered by my very very small ego and will shower

his grace on me in future as well.

> >

> > BTW: Do even realize the importance of VinayJi work. I am not a fool that i

call every second research done by an xyz person as being noble.

> >

> > tc

> >

> > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Aruninthecity,

> > >

> > > You *wrote* to Vinajy Ji*You have dedicated your life to these noble

> > > cause. I will be more that happy

> > > if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our Suryasiddhantic

> > > calculation methods superior to some false European propagandas.

> > >

> > > You also wrote to Rohini few things in your Josh. Do you know what are

> > > the idioms in Hindi which justify your learning of Jyotish , so far

> > > -*ADH JAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE* and *THOTHA CHANA BAAJE GHANA* and lastly

> > > *JOSH MAIN HOSH KHONA*. Hope 3 will suffice,as I want to save

> > > space....(:

> > >

> > > Little lesson from the story so far - Revise and revise again when you

> > > write anything !

> > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RohiniJi,

> > > >

> > > > I was just searching through the articles which you have written, i

> > > find this:

> > > >

> > > > " a text that is so ancient, it is not surprising that discrepancies

> > > exist, but the beginner in jyotish should be watchful about these and

> > > should approach what is stated in these books with an open and

> > > questioning mind. Much of astrology is definable in terms of clear

> > > logical threads, although there is a lot where logic is not apparent.

> > > One must not hesitate to question if such situations represent missing

> > > logic, missing keys or are simply inaccurate. In this context, it

> > > bothers me quite a bit to notice the near absence of example horoscopes

> > > right across the board in jyotish classics. "

> > > >

> > > > source: http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm

> > > >

> > > > This is indeed a nice article which you have written in year 2000.

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Arun.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have tested it, Dear Arun, then why don't you share your

> > > findings, rather than playing games ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrology is not a game of cards or pastime. Or maybe it is for you!

> > > Which is fine -- what do I care ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your statements. My

> > > apologies, if it is true.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa, Swamsa or Karak

> > > lagan.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct but I didn't

> > > ask this question without testing these concepts in many charts?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa concept to verify

> > > verses of parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In some chart it

> > > works all fine, but fails miserably in other charts. Do you want me to

> > > post some examples?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion. That's why I

> > > say that what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be darakarak or

> > > amtyakarak. It might be the case if we are using incorrect Ayanamsha. I

> > > am not sure but vinayJi is quit sure. What are your views?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand. So do

> > > everyone, who is reading this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear VinayJi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I will be more

> > > that happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

> > > Suryasiddhantic calculation methods superior to some false European

> > > propagandas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All I can do is that I can test the charts created in your

> > > software and share my views.

> > > > > > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case studies of

> > > some well known person which are based on calculations made from your

> > > software?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have no faith in

> > > Bphs. This is a wrong assumption which you are making. Parashara is the

> > > father of jyotish. He is the beginning but not the end. Even I will not

> > > be surprised, if other day someone comes and say that he has few

> > > undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit itself to one

> > > scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I also very well

> > > understand that still lot is hidden in bphs which is hard to understand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which might be used

> > > for wrong purpose.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we didn't have to

> > > live in the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is not parashara.

> > > His level is much beyond our anticipation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish guru whatsoever.

> > > I am free and own my own. I represent myself and no one else. Please

> > > don't misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any jyotish gurus. I am

> > > just tying to collect gems in heap of stones. If you have some gems then

> > > I will be more then happy collect then from you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For analysis, please post links to the predictive results of some

> > > well known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta calculation methods.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Arun,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See copy of my earlier response after the following quote of

> > > your musings...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not know how you deduced from my response that I am against

> > > Pt. Rath's views!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and analytical minds like

> > > yours will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested something themselves

> > > and would not easily be able to go with what someone says, no matter how

> > > accomplished!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop the inner

> > > chatter so that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR__,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha

> > > chart? (few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that

> > > [he] is against pt.Rath views)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > > > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and can go back

> > > to confirm facts

> > > > > > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings than your

> > > internet

> > > > > > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See if their experiences and expressions match best with the

> > > Kshetra varga

> > > > > > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once you have gone

> > > through that a

> > > > > > > few times, you would not have to rely on and have to provide

> > > citations for which

> > > > > > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that nuance or

> > > ultimate TRUTH!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Until then, regardless of how many books, articles, postings by

> > > Gurujis etc get

> > > > > > > written and re-written and yet again -- these very questions

> > > shall continue to

> > > > > > > arrive!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a western classical

> > > music piece:

> > > > > > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT was not what

> > > the chain of

> > > > > > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 9, 2010

Arun Ji,

Indeed I do, it is good exercise, but NO MATAK SHATAK in my life, when

Shastrarth or serious discussions on serious matters are ON,between Gurus and

Titans of Jyotish. Therefore, I learn a lot ,sitting/listening/observing/reading

and analysing silently.I am blessed that I have not given any chance to Gurus to

cut me down to size, as I have never poked them and got reprimanded in turn for

any of my Moorkhata. So I still maintain that Silence is golden and would love

to add " JIN KHOJA TIN PAYIA GEHARE PANI PAITH; and when one goes in deep

water,one can't even breathe what to say of speaking,there is complete trance

like feeling - The golden silence; and learning enters the mind smoothly! But

then it is individual choice ! With my best wishes for more learning

Raj Bhardwaj

vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity wrote:

>

> Dear RajJi,

> In my definition what you are doing is *matak shatak*. Indeed you are good in

doing this. I am not.

>

> Why don't you only let jyotishi in you do the talking? Don't get inspired by

others. If others are jumping in the well, will you also jumps...

>

> If you have something interesting to share from the point of view of

discussion then go ahead, share it.

>

> Otherwise, please don't bother me.

>

> Thanks in anticipation.

>

> Hare Rama Krishna,

> Arun.

>

> vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks. I too am *Adhajal Ghara*,but I dont do MATAK-SHATAK,in the company

of/or in the presence of Gurus you have named, and quite a few others,front of

the *POORNA GHARAS* when doing Gyanarjan ; (learning Jyotish )and am doing so

right from my birth , quite long ago. Silence can prove golden MOST of the

times. My best wishes for learning nonetheless !

> >

> > Raj Bhardwaj

> >

> > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear rajbhardwaj1949,

> > >

> > > I am happy to be *adhajal ghara*, being so i have more opportunities to

learn from the vast experience of RohiniJi, vinayJi, SanjayJi, NarashimaJi.

> > >

> > > I am happy the the way i am. i have not learn enough since last few years

in comparison to what i have learned in few days.

> > >

> > > I hope rohiniJi is not bothered by my very very small ego and will shower

his grace on me in future as well.

> > >

> > > BTW: Do even realize the importance of VinayJi work. I am not a fool that

i call every second research done by an xyz person as being noble.

> > >

> > > tc

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Aruninthecity,

> > > >

> > > > You *wrote* to Vinajy Ji*You have dedicated your life to these noble

> > > > cause. I will be more that happy

> > > > if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our Suryasiddhantic

> > > > calculation methods superior to some false European propagandas.

> > > >

> > > > You also wrote to Rohini few things in your Josh. Do you know what are

> > > > the idioms in Hindi which justify your learning of Jyotish , so far

> > > > -*ADH JAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE* and *THOTHA CHANA BAAJE GHANA* and lastly

> > > > *JOSH MAIN HOSH KHONA*. Hope 3 will suffice,as I want to save

> > > > space....(:

> > > >

> > > > Little lesson from the story so far - Revise and revise again when you

> > > > write anything !

> > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > RohiniJi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I was just searching through the articles which you have written, i

> > > > find this:

> > > > >

> > > > > " a text that is so ancient, it is not surprising that discrepancies

> > > > exist, but the beginner in jyotish should be watchful about these and

> > > > should approach what is stated in these books with an open and

> > > > questioning mind. Much of astrology is definable in terms of clear

> > > > logical threads, although there is a lot where logic is not apparent.

> > > > One must not hesitate to question if such situations represent missing

> > > > logic, missing keys or are simply inaccurate. In this context, it

> > > > bothers me quite a bit to notice the near absence of example horoscopes

> > > > right across the board in jyotish classics. "

> > > > >

> > > > > source: http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > This is indeed a nice article which you have written in year 2000.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Arun.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you have tested it, Dear Arun, then why don't you share your

> > > > findings, rather than playing games ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrology is not a game of cards or pastime. Or maybe it is for you!

> > > > Which is fine -- what do I care ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your statements. My

> > > > apologies, if it is true.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa, Swamsa or Karak

> > > > lagan.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct but I didn't

> > > > ask this question without testing these concepts in many charts?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa concept to verify

> > > > verses of parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In some chart it

> > > > works all fine, but fails miserably in other charts. Do you want me to

> > > > post some examples?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion. That's why I

> > > > say that what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be darakarak or

> > > > amtyakarak. It might be the case if we are using incorrect Ayanamsha. I

> > > > am not sure but vinayJi is quit sure. What are your views?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand. So do

> > > > everyone, who is reading this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear VinayJi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I will be more

> > > > that happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

> > > > Suryasiddhantic calculation methods superior to some false European

> > > > propagandas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All I can do is that I can test the charts created in your

> > > > software and share my views.

> > > > > > > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case studies of

> > > > some well known person which are based on calculations made from your

> > > > software?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have no faith in

> > > > Bphs. This is a wrong assumption which you are making. Parashara is the

> > > > father of jyotish. He is the beginning but not the end. Even I will not

> > > > be surprised, if other day someone comes and say that he has few

> > > > undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit itself to one

> > > > scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I also very well

> > > > understand that still lot is hidden in bphs which is hard to understand.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which might be used

> > > > for wrong purpose.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we didn't have to

> > > > live in the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is not parashara.

> > > > His level is much beyond our anticipation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish guru whatsoever.

> > > > I am free and own my own. I represent myself and no one else. Please

> > > > don't misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any jyotish gurus. I am

> > > > just tying to collect gems in heap of stones. If you have some gems then

> > > > I will be more then happy collect then from you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For analysis, please post links to the predictive results of some

> > > > well known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta calculation methods.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Arun,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > See copy of my earlier response after the following quote of

> > > > your musings...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not know how you deduced from my response that I am against

> > > > Pt. Rath's views!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and analytical minds like

> > > > yours will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested something themselves

> > > > and would not easily be able to go with what someone says, no matter how

> > > > accomplished!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop the inner

> > > > chatter so that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR__,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha

> > > > chart? (few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that

> > > > [he] is against pt.Rath views)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > > > > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and can go back

> > > > to confirm facts

> > > > > > > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings than your

> > > > internet

> > > > > > > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > See if their experiences and expressions match best with the

> > > > Kshetra varga

> > > > > > > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once you have gone

> > > > through that a

> > > > > > > > few times, you would not have to rely on and have to provide

> > > > citations for which

> > > > > > > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that nuance or

> > > > ultimate TRUTH!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Until then, regardless of how many books, articles, postings by

> > > > Gurujis etc get

> > > > > > > > written and re-written and yet again -- these very questions

> > > > shall continue to

> > > > > > > > arrive!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a western classical

> > > > music piece:

> > > > > > > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT was not what

> > > > the chain of

> > > > > > > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 9, 2010

Dear RajJi,

Congratulations on coming back with your another *thumka*. You are getting

better and better. I sincerely advice to find and another forum where your

*matak shatak* is entrained. As I think that this forum didn't need

intellectuals like you.

Instead of coming up with these phrases its better you remain silent and not

prove again and again about your *moorkhata*.

And please don't write in caps, it means that you are shouting on me. Hope you

are not???

With my best wishes for your Jyotish learning.

Hare Rama Krishna,

Arun.

vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

>

> Arun Ji,

> Indeed I do, it is good exercise, but NO MATAK SHATAK in my life, when