Kaala-chakra Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods

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My dear Vinay Ji,

I am thankful to you for the advice. Quite a few things were churning in my mind

for sometime, And yes Thanks to you, Aaj aur abhi maine Teesri Kaasam le li Hai

! Reminds me of great Renu Ji and his creation of the simpleton Gaariwan of

Maare Gaye Gulpham. Thanks a lot once again. But, please do not forget my

Baalhath with you , I shall remain indebted.

 

Raj Bhardwaj

 

vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Raj Ji,

>

> You are a good astrologer and that is why I am requesting you to devote

> your time to positive works.

>

> One of your statements ( " a Moorkha cannot be a guru to a Moorkha " )

> reminds a different statement in last skandha of Shri-Mad-Bhaagavata :

> " a Moorkha shishya chooses only a Moorkha guru " . My late Guruji had

> said : " it is moorkhtaa to teach a real moorkha. " We are all moorkhas

> in the beginning. Some of us are formally and informally taught to be

> wise, but the really moorkhas refuse to learn wisdom and they like only

> other moorkhas.

>

> To Arun Ji : " Please tolerate. "

>

> -VJ

> ====================== ===

> vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Arun,

> > Thanks for the final advice.But I do not consider you a Guru,a Moorkha

> cannot be a guru to a Moorkha,reverse of intellectual. So carry on

> hitherto with your parampara and swabhava; and I will carry on with

> mine.BTW-You have wasted your time on 6 irrelevent msgs of yours, and I

> have learned from all these, with my contribution of 4.

> > So long then !

> >

> > Raj Bhardwaj

> >

> > vedic astrology , " arun " aruninthecity@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RajJi,

> > >

> > > Congratulations on coming back with your another *thumka*. You are

> getting better and better. I sincerely advice to find and another forum

> where your *matak shatak* is entrained. As I think that this forum

> didn't need intellectuals like you.

> > > Instead of coming up with these phrases its better you remain silent

> and not prove again and again about your *moorkhata*.

> > >

> > > And please don't write in caps, it means that you are shouting on

> me. Hope you are not???

> > >

> > > With my best wishes for your Jyotish learning.

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > Arun.

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Arun Ji,

> > > > Indeed I do, it is good exercise, but NO MATAK SHATAK in my life,

> when Shastrarth or serious discussions on serious matters are ON,between

> Gurus and Titans of Jyotish. Therefore, I learn a lot

> ,sitting/listening/observing/reading and analysing silently.I am blessed

> that I have not given any chance to Gurus to cut me down to size, as I

> have never poked them and got reprimanded in turn for any of my

> Moorkhata. So I still maintain that Silence is golden and would love to

> add " JIN KHOJA TIN PAYIA GEHARE PANI PAITH; and when one goes in deep

> water,one can't even breathe what to say of speaking,there is complete

> trance like feeling - The golden silence; and learning enters the mind

> smoothly! But then it is individual choice ! With my best wishes for

> more learning

> > > >

> > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear RajJi,

> > > > > In my definition what you are doing is *matak shatak*. Indeed

> you are good in doing this. I am not.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why don't you only let jyotishi in you do the talking? Don't get

> inspired by others. If others are jumping in the well, will you also

> jumps...

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have something interesting to share from the point of

> view of discussion then go ahead, share it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Otherwise, please don't bother me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks in anticipation.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > Arun.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks. I too am *Adhajal Ghara*,but I dont do

> MATAK-SHATAK,in the company of/or in the presence of Gurus you have

> named, and quite a few others,front of the *POORNA GHARAS* when doing

> Gyanarjan ; (learning Jyotish )and am doing so right from my birth ,

> quite long ago. Silence can prove golden MOST of the times. My best

> wishes for learning nonetheless !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear rajbhardwaj1949,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am happy to be *adhajal ghara*, being so i have more

> opportunities to learn from the vast experience of RohiniJi, vinayJi,

> SanjayJi, NarashimaJi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am happy the the way i am. i have not learn enough since

> last few years in comparison to what i have learned in few days.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope rohiniJi is not bothered by my very very small ego

> and will shower his grace on me in future as well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BTW: Do even realize the importance of VinayJi work. I am

> not a fool that i call every second research done by an xyz person as

> being noble.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj "

> <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Aruninthecity,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You *wrote* to Vinajy Ji*You have dedicated your life to

> these noble

> > > > > > > > cause. I will be more that happy

> > > > > > > > if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

> Suryasiddhantic

> > > > > > > > calculation methods superior to some false European

> propagandas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You also wrote to Rohini few things in your Josh. Do you

> know what are

> > > > > > > > the idioms in Hindi which justify your learning of Jyotish

> , so far

> > > > > > > > -*ADH JAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE* and *THOTHA CHANA BAAJE

> GHANA* and lastly

> > > > > > > > *JOSH MAIN HOSH KHONA*. Hope 3 will suffice,as I want to

> save

> > > > > > > > space....(:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Little lesson from the story so far - Revise and revise

> again when you

> > > > > > > > write anything !

> > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RohiniJi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was just searching through the articles which you have

> written, i

> > > > > > > > find this:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " a text that is so ancient, it is not surprising that

> discrepancies

> > > > > > > > exist, but the beginner in jyotish should be watchful

> about these and

> > > > > > > > should approach what is stated in these books with an open

> and

> > > > > > > > questioning mind. Much of astrology is definable in terms

> of clear

> > > > > > > > logical threads, although there is a lot where logic is

> not apparent.

> > > > > > > > One must not hesitate to question if such situations

> represent missing

> > > > > > > > logic, missing keys or are simply inaccurate. In this

> context, it

> > > > > > > > bothers me quite a bit to notice the near absence of

> example horoscopes

> > > > > > > > right across the board in jyotish classics. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > source: http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is indeed a nice article which you have written in

> year 2000.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal "

> jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you have tested it, Dear Arun, then why don't you

> share your

> > > > > > > > findings, rather than playing games ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Astrology is not a game of cards or pastime. Or maybe

> it is for you!

> > > > > > > > Which is fine -- what do I care ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your

> statements. My

> > > > > > > > apologies, if it is true.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa,

> Swamsa or Karak

> > > > > > > > lagan.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct

> but I didn't

> > > > > > > > ask this question without testing these concepts in many

> charts?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa

> concept to verify

> > > > > > > > verses of parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In

> some chart it

> > > > > > > > works all fine, but fails miserably in other charts. Do

> you want me to

> > > > > > > > post some examples?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion.

> That's why I

> > > > > > > > say that what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be

> darakarak or

> > > > > > > > amtyakarak. It might be the case if we are using incorrect

> Ayanamsha. I

> > > > > > > > am not sure but vinayJi is quit sure. What are your views?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand.

> So do

> > > > > > > > everyone, who is reading this.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear VinayJi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I

> will be more

> > > > > > > > that happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

> > > > > > > > Suryasiddhantic calculation methods superior to some false

> European

> > > > > > > > propagandas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > All I can do is that I can test the charts created

> in your

> > > > > > > > software and share my views.

> > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case

> studies of

> > > > > > > > some well known person which are based on calculations

> made from your

> > > > > > > > software?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have

> no faith in

> > > > > > > > Bphs. This is a wrong assumption which you are making.

> Parashara is the

> > > > > > > > father of jyotish. He is the beginning but not the end.

> Even I will not

> > > > > > > > be surprised, if other day someone comes and say that he

> has few

> > > > > > > > undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit

> itself to one

> > > > > > > > scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I

> also very well

> > > > > > > > understand that still lot is hidden in bphs which is hard

> to understand.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which

> might be used

> > > > > > > > for wrong purpose.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we

> didn't have to

> > > > > > > > live in the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is

> not parashara.

> > > > > > > > His level is much beyond our anticipation.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish

> guru whatsoever.

> > > > > > > > I am free and own my own. I represent myself and no one

> else. Please

> > > > > > > > don't misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any jyotish

> gurus. I am

> > > > > > > > just tying to collect gems in heap of stones. If you have

> some gems then

> > > > > > > > I will be more then happy collect then from you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For analysis, please post links to the predictive

> results of some

> > > > > > > > well known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta

> calculation methods.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology ,

> " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Arun,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > See copy of my earlier response after the

> following quote of

> > > > > > > > your musings...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how you deduced from my response

> that I am against

> > > > > > > > Pt. Rath's views!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and

> analytical minds like

> > > > > > > > yours will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested

> something themselves

> > > > > > > > and would not easily be able to go with what someone says,

> no matter how

> > > > > > > > accomplished!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop

> the inner

> > > > > > > > chatter so that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR__,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in

> navamsha

> > > > > > > > chart? (few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It

> seems that

> > > > > > > > [he] is against pt.Rath views)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > > > > > > > > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and

> can go back

> > > > > > > > to confirm facts

> > > > > > > > > > > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings

> than your

> > > > > > > > internet

> > > > > > > > > > > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > See if their experiences and expressions match

> best with the

> > > > > > > > Kshetra varga

> > > > > > > > > > > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once

> you have gone

> > > > > > > > through that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > few times, you would not have to rely on and have

> to provide

> > > > > > > > citations for which

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that

> nuance or

> > > > > > > > ultimate TRUTH!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Until then, regardless of how many books,

> articles, postings by

> > > > > > > > Gurujis etc get

> > > > > > > > > > > > written and re-written and yet again -- these very

> questions

> > > > > > > > shall continue to

> > > > > > > > > > > > arrive!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a

> western classical

> > > > > > > > music piece:

> > > > > > > > > > > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT

> was not what

> > > > > > > > the chain of

> > > > > > > > > > > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Raj Ji,

 

I have so many tasks that I really do not recollect what are you referring to

( " baalahatha " ) ??

 

-VJ

==================== ==

vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

>

> My dear Vinay Ji,

> I am thankful to you for the advice. Quite a few things were churning in my

mind for sometime, And yes Thanks to you, Aaj aur abhi maine Teesri Kaasam le li

Hai ! Reminds me of great Renu Ji and his creation of the simpleton Gaariwan of

Maare Gaye Gulpham. Thanks a lot once again. But, please do not forget my

Baalhath with you , I shall remain indebted.

>

> Raj Bhardwaj

>

> vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Raj Ji,

> >

> > You are a good astrologer and that is why I am requesting you to devote

> > your time to positive works.

> >

> > One of your statements ( " a Moorkha cannot be a guru to a Moorkha " )

> > reminds a different statement in last skandha of Shri-Mad-Bhaagavata :

> > " a Moorkha shishya chooses only a Moorkha guru " . My late Guruji had

> > said : " it is moorkhtaa to teach a real moorkha. " We are all moorkhas

> > in the beginning. Some of us are formally and informally taught to be

> > wise, but the really moorkhas refuse to learn wisdom and they like only

> > other moorkhas.

> >

> > To Arun Ji : " Please tolerate. "

> >

> > -VJ

> > ====================== ===

> > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Arun,

> > > Thanks for the final advice.But I do not consider you a Guru,a Moorkha

> > cannot be a guru to a Moorkha,reverse of intellectual. So carry on

> > hitherto with your parampara and swabhava; and I will carry on with

> > mine.BTW-You have wasted your time on 6 irrelevent msgs of yours, and I

> > have learned from all these, with my contribution of 4.

> > > So long then !

> > >

> > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " arun " aruninthecity@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear RajJi,

> > > >

> > > > Congratulations on coming back with your another *thumka*. You are

> > getting better and better. I sincerely advice to find and another forum

> > where your *matak shatak* is entrained. As I think that this forum

> > didn't need intellectuals like you.

> > > > Instead of coming up with these phrases its better you remain silent

> > and not prove again and again about your *moorkhata*.

> > > >

> > > > And please don't write in caps, it means that you are shouting on

> > me. Hope you are not???

> > > >

> > > > With my best wishes for your Jyotish learning.

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > Arun.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Arun Ji,

> > > > > Indeed I do, it is good exercise, but NO MATAK SHATAK in my life,

> > when Shastrarth or serious discussions on serious matters are ON,between

> > Gurus and Titans of Jyotish. Therefore, I learn a lot

> > ,sitting/listening/observing/reading and analysing silently.I am blessed

> > that I have not given any chance to Gurus to cut me down to size, as I

> > have never poked them and got reprimanded in turn for any of my

> > Moorkhata. So I still maintain that Silence is golden and would love to

> > add " JIN KHOJA TIN PAYIA GEHARE PANI PAITH; and when one goes in deep

> > water,one can't even breathe what to say of speaking,there is complete

> > trance like feeling - The golden silence; and learning enters the mind

> > smoothly! But then it is individual choice ! With my best wishes for

> > more learning

> > > > >

> > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear RajJi,

> > > > > > In my definition what you are doing is *matak shatak*. Indeed

> > you are good in doing this. I am not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why don't you only let jyotishi in you do the talking? Don't get

> > inspired by others. If others are jumping in the well, will you also

> > jumps...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you have something interesting to share from the point of

> > view of discussion then go ahead, share it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Otherwise, please don't bother me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks in anticipation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks. I too am *Adhajal Ghara*,but I dont do

> > MATAK-SHATAK,in the company of/or in the presence of Gurus you have

> > named, and quite a few others,front of the *POORNA GHARAS* when doing

> > Gyanarjan ; (learning Jyotish )and am doing so right from my birth ,

> > quite long ago. Silence can prove golden MOST of the times. My best

> > wishes for learning nonetheless !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear rajbhardwaj1949,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am happy to be *adhajal ghara*, being so i have more

> > opportunities to learn from the vast experience of RohiniJi, vinayJi,

> > SanjayJi, NarashimaJi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am happy the the way i am. i have not learn enough since

> > last few years in comparison to what i have learned in few days.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope rohiniJi is not bothered by my very very small ego

> > and will shower his grace on me in future as well.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BTW: Do even realize the importance of VinayJi work. I am

> > not a fool that i call every second research done by an xyz person as

> > being noble.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > tc

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj "

> > <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Aruninthecity,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You *wrote* to Vinajy Ji*You have dedicated your life to

> > these noble

> > > > > > > > > cause. I will be more that happy

> > > > > > > > > if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

> > Suryasiddhantic

> > > > > > > > > calculation methods superior to some false European

> > propagandas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You also wrote to Rohini few things in your Josh. Do you

> > know what are

> > > > > > > > > the idioms in Hindi which justify your learning of Jyotish

> > , so far

> > > > > > > > > -*ADH JAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE* and *THOTHA CHANA BAAJE

> > GHANA* and lastly

> > > > > > > > > *JOSH MAIN HOSH KHONA*. Hope 3 will suffice,as I want to

> > save

> > > > > > > > > space....(:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Little lesson from the story so far - Revise and revise

> > again when you

> > > > > > > > > write anything !

> > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RohiniJi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I was just searching through the articles which you have

> > written, i

> > > > > > > > > find this:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " a text that is so ancient, it is not surprising that

> > discrepancies

> > > > > > > > > exist, but the beginner in jyotish should be watchful

> > about these and

> > > > > > > > > should approach what is stated in these books with an open

> > and

> > > > > > > > > questioning mind. Much of astrology is definable in terms

> > of clear

> > > > > > > > > logical threads, although there is a lot where logic is

> > not apparent.

> > > > > > > > > One must not hesitate to question if such situations

> > represent missing

> > > > > > > > > logic, missing keys or are simply inaccurate. In this

> > context, it

> > > > > > > > > bothers me quite a bit to notice the near absence of

> > example horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > right across the board in jyotish classics. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > source: http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is indeed a nice article which you have written in

> > year 2000.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal "

> > jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you have tested it, Dear Arun, then why don't you

> > share your

> > > > > > > > > findings, rather than playing games ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is not a game of cards or pastime. Or maybe

> > it is for you!

> > > > > > > > > Which is fine -- what do I care ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your

> > statements. My

> > > > > > > > > apologies, if it is true.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa,

> > Swamsa or Karak

> > > > > > > > > lagan.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct

> > but I didn't

> > > > > > > > > ask this question without testing these concepts in many

> > charts?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa

> > concept to verify

> > > > > > > > > verses of parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In

> > some chart it

> > > > > > > > > works all fine, but fails miserably in other charts. Do

> > you want me to

> > > > > > > > > post some examples?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion.

> > That's why I

> > > > > > > > > say that what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be

> > darakarak or

> > > > > > > > > amtyakarak. It might be the case if we are using incorrect

> > Ayanamsha. I

> > > > > > > > > am not sure but vinayJi is quit sure. What are your views?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand.

> > So do

> > > > > > > > > everyone, who is reading this.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear VinayJi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I

> > will be more

> > > > > > > > > that happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

> > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhantic calculation methods superior to some false

> > European

> > > > > > > > > propagandas.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > All I can do is that I can test the charts created

> > in your

> > > > > > > > > software and share my views.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case

> > studies of

> > > > > > > > > some well known person which are based on calculations

> > made from your

> > > > > > > > > software?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have

> > no faith in

> > > > > > > > > Bphs. This is a wrong assumption which you are making.

> > Parashara is the

> > > > > > > > > father of jyotish. He is the beginning but not the end.

> > Even I will not

> > > > > > > > > be surprised, if other day someone comes and say that he

> > has few

> > > > > > > > > undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit

> > itself to one

> > > > > > > > > scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I

> > also very well

> > > > > > > > > understand that still lot is hidden in bphs which is hard

> > to understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which

> > might be used

> > > > > > > > > for wrong purpose.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we

> > didn't have to

> > > > > > > > > live in the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is

> > not parashara.

> > > > > > > > > His level is much beyond our anticipation.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish

> > guru whatsoever.

> > > > > > > > > I am free and own my own. I represent myself and no one

> > else. Please

> > > > > > > > > don't misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any jyotish

> > gurus. I am

> > > > > > > > > just tying to collect gems in heap of stones. If you have

> > some gems then

> > > > > > > > > I will be more then happy collect then from you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For analysis, please post links to the predictive

> > results of some

> > > > > > > > > well known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta

> > calculation methods.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology ,

> > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Arun,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > See copy of my earlier response after the

> > following quote of

> > > > > > > > > your musings...

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how you deduced from my response

> > that I am against

> > > > > > > > > Pt. Rath's views!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and

> > analytical minds like

> > > > > > > > > yours will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested

> > something themselves

> > > > > > > > > and would not easily be able to go with what someone says,

> > no matter how

> > > > > > > > > accomplished!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop

> > the inner

> > > > > > > > > chatter so that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR__,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in

> > navamsha

> > > > > > > > > chart? (few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It

> > seems that

> > > > > > > > > [he] is against pt.Rath views)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and

> > can go back

> > > > > > > > > to confirm facts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings

> > than your

> > > > > > > > > internet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > See if their experiences and expressions match

> > best with the

> > > > > > > > > Kshetra varga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once

> > you have gone

> > > > > > > > > through that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > few times, you would not have to rely on and have

> > to provide

> > > > > > > > > citations for which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that

> > nuance or

> > > > > > > > > ultimate TRUTH!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Until then, regardless of how many books,

> > articles, postings by

> > > > > > > > > Gurujis etc get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > written and re-written and yet again -- these very

> > questions

> > > > > > > > > shall continue to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a

> > western classical

> > > > > > > > > music piece:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT

> > was not what

> > > > > > > > > the chain of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear VinayJi namaste,

 

Initially I did tolerate, but i have to say something to stop him. Otherwise he

will go on and on...

 

Anyways,

 

Now as you are considering bhava chakra as elliptical.

 

Can you through some light on implications. Considering the structure of an

eclipse. It means two exactly opposite bhavas will be less then 30 degrees and

other two will be greater that 30 degrees.

 

I thinks that you are keeping the bhava chakra as stationary and rotating the

rashi chakra along with the planets.

 

Then acc to suryasiddhanta which bhava will be the smallest and which will be

the biggest.

 

Will It directly effects longitude based Aroodh Computation, as we are

calculating aroodh of houses and it got nothing to do with rashi chakra.

 

 

Also, VinajJi why didn't you include shastiamsa, rudramsa and sayanadi avastha

in your software. Real strength of your technique can only be evaluated if you

include these in your software.

 

 

Hare Rama Krishna,

Regards,

Arun.

 

 

vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Arun Ji,

>

> The birth details about famous persons in Kundalee Software's databank is from

various sources including newspaper articles, and many of these may be wrong.

Some politicians deliberately propagate false birthtime. I got the birthtime of

former King of Nepal Jnaanendra shah from a book, but later I was given the

correct birthtime through the office of his family astrologer. Similar

differences were notoced in many other charts. Hence, I stopped wasting my time

on such charts. But I have researched all major events in Napoleon's life and I

believe his time is correct. So is Amitabh Bachchan's.

>

> In hurry, you did not even read the whole page on whose top appears the death

analysis of Napoleon :

> http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death

>

> This page contains death analyses of Napoleon, Hitler, Nehru, Lincoln.

Moreover, you can check the Vimshottari of Napoleon and compare the findings

from Kundalee with biography at Wikipedia.

>

> Fifth individual analysis is on :

> http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Brain+Damage

>

> Instead of wasting time on unreliable birthtimes, it is better to analyse the

following whose data is perfectly reliable :

>

> http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Annual+Rains

>

> Or, analyse the events of your own life or of those whom you know well and are

certain of their birthtime.

>

> VJ

> ===================== ===

> vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> >

> > VinayJi Namaste,

> >

> > I have already gone thought these links. After going thought these links I

downloaded your software because your view does excite me. In all the links

specified by you, I only found chart discussion of Napoleon. For obvious

reasons, this one chart discussion not enough.

> >

> > When I was talking about the offset, I was referring you toward Ayanamsha

offset, which is supported by JHora, however it has no provisions of planetary

offset.

> >

> > Initially your software is not running on my machine, but now it is working

all fine. I am excited to see the results. You have collected some hard to find

charts as well, such as Lallu prashad, rabri devi…

> >

> > You are also right about the fact that HoraLagan and Ghatika Lagan are

points on rashi charka and got nothing to do with bhava charka. Both of them are

calculated by adding a value to rashi longitude of surya. This value is off

course calculated by finding number of ghatikas passed since sunrise divide by

2.5 and 1 resp…

> >

> >

> > Now take the example of Sri A.V. Vajpayee.

> >

> > He is under Jupiter dasha since April- 2002 acc to lahari and march-2001 acc

to suryaSiddhanta.

> >

> > Both are giving 3ld house to this Jupiter in rashi, but in navamsha lahari

is giving Jupiter Gemini rashi and suryasiddhanta is giving it cancer rashi… the

kind of reputation he had even when his party is facing such major turn around,

its clear.

> >

> > Acc to lahari, in navamsha this Jupiter is lord of two kendras in Kendra

without any trine influence and in sign of its enemy mercury, such placement can

never give such a clean and powerful image. Even when he has retired from

politics because of his old age he still enjoys such a powerful influence.

> >

> > VinayJi, if you can come up with such explanations then your job might

become easier.

> > The only problem is that you are using different time for all most all of

your charts. It become almost impossible to convinces everyone with the change

in birth time.

> >

> > According to suryaSiddhanta SanjayJi atmakarak is Jupiter, which clearly

explains why he is a writer and an astrologer.

> > In " effect of karakans " chapter parashara clearly said if moon is in

karakans native will be a scholar. If Jupiter in karakans, native will be a

writer. Influence of rahu on 2th or 5th will shows interest in jyotish.

> >

> > Its not possible to explain this by considering saturn as his atmaKarak.

> >

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > Regards,

> > Arun.

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Arun Ji,

> > >

> > > Please forget the past. I do not like to remember true or false

> > > personal grudges. As for testing Suryasiddhantic charts, I am surprised

> > > to learn that you successfully downloaded Kundalee Software from

> > > http://kundalee.wikidot.com/ but did not have time to read the

> > > linked pages which describe dozens of case studies. The download pages

> > > says :

> > >

> > > You will get a lot of articles and guides about how to use this software

> > > at :Click-MainPage <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/> , esp at

> > > Click-SoftwareGuide <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Software> ;

> > > Click-Basics

> > > <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Interpretation+of+Horoscope+%3A+Ba\

> > > sics> ; Click-Basics2

> > > <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Origin+and+Meaning+of+Horoscopic+H\

> > > ouses> ; Click-Vimshottari_Dasha

> > > <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vimshottari+Dasha> ;

> > > Click-DeathPrediction

> > > <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death> ;

> > > Click-Example_Napoleon

> > > <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Napoleon+Bonaparte-6> ;

> > > Click-Example_BrainDamage

> > > <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Brain+Damage>

> > >

> > > See http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/

> > >

> > > The most elaborate case studies are at :

> > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Annual+Rains

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ================== ===

> > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your statements. My

> > > apologies, if it is true.

> > > >

> > > > Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa, Swamsa or Karak

> > > lagan.

> > > >

> > > > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct but I didn't ask

> > > this question without testing these concepts in many charts?

> > > >

> > > > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa concept to verify

> > > verses of parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In some chart it

> > > works all fine, but fails miserably in other charts. Do you want me to

> > > post some examples?

> > > >

> > > > Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion. That's why I say

> > > that what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be darakarak or

> > > amtyakarak. It might be the case if we are using incorrect Ayanamsha. I

> > > am not sure but vinayJi is quit sure. What are your views?

> > > >

> > > > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand. So do everyone,

> > > who is reading this.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear VinayJi,

> > > >

> > > > You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I will be more that

> > > happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our Suryasiddhantic

> > > calculation methods superior to some false European propagandas.

> > > >

> > > > All I can do is that I can test the charts created in your software

> > > and share my views.

> > > > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case studies of some

> > > well known person which are based on calculations made from your

> > > software?

> > > >

> > > > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have no faith in Bphs.

> > > This is a wrong assumption which you are making. Parashara is the father

> > > of jyotish. He is the beginning but not the end. Even I will not be

> > > surprised, if other day someone comes and say that he has few

> > > undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> > > >

> > > > Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit itself to one

> > > scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I also very well

> > > understand that still lot is hidden in bphs which is hard to understand.

> > > >

> > > > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which might be used for

> > > wrong purpose.

> > > >

> > > > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we didn't have to live

> > > in the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is not parashara. His

> > > level is much beyond our anticipation.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish guru whatsoever. I

> > > am free and own my own. I represent myself and no one else. Please don't

> > > misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any jyotish gurus. I am just

> > > tying to collect gems in heap of stones. If you have some gems then I

> > > will be more then happy collect then from you.

> > > >

> > > > For analysis, please post links to the predictive results of some well

> > > known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta calculation methods.

> > > >

> > > > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Arun.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Arun,

> > > > >

> > > > > See copy of my earlier response after the following quote of your

> > > musings...

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know how you deduced from my response that I am against Pt.

> > > Rath's views!!

> > > > >

> > > > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and analytical minds like

> > > yours will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested something themselves

> > > and would not easily be able to go with what someone says, no matter how

> > > accomplished!

> > > > >

> > > > > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop the inner chatter

> > > so that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR__,

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart?

> > > (few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that [he] is

> > > against pt.Rath views)

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > > > >

> > > > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and can go back to

> > > confirm facts

> > > > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings than your internet

> > > > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > > > >

> > > > > See if their experiences and expressions match best with the Kshetra

> > > varga

> > > > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once you have gone

> > > through that a

> > > > > few times, you would not have to rely on and have to provide

> > > citations for which

> > > > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that nuance or ultimate

> > > TRUTH!

> > > > >

> > > > > Until then, regardless of how many books, articles, postings by

> > > Gurujis etc get

> > > > > written and re-written and yet again -- these very questions shall

> > > continue to

> > > > > arrive!

> > > > >

> > > > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a western classical music

> > > piece:

> > > > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT was not what the

> > > chain of

> > > > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I think Raj_dada was asking for your birthdata which you have already shared

publicly a few times (I forget which forum/fora ...).

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Raj Ji,

>

> I have so many tasks that I really do not recollect what are you referring to

( " baalahatha " ) ??

>

> -VJ

> ==================== ==

> vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> >

> > My dear Vinay Ji,

> > I am thankful to you for the advice. Quite a few things were churning in my

mind for sometime, And yes Thanks to you, Aaj aur abhi maine Teesri Kaasam le li

Hai ! Reminds me of great Renu Ji and his creation of the simpleton Gaariwan of

Maare Gaye Gulpham. Thanks a lot once again. But, please do not forget my

Baalhath with you , I shall remain indebted.

> >

> > Raj Bhardwaj

> >

> > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Raj Ji,

> > >

> > > You are a good astrologer and that is why I am requesting you to devote

> > > your time to positive works.

> > >

> > > One of your statements ( " a Moorkha cannot be a guru to a Moorkha " )

> > > reminds a different statement in last skandha of Shri-Mad-Bhaagavata :

> > > " a Moorkha shishya chooses only a Moorkha guru " . My late Guruji had

> > > said : " it is moorkhtaa to teach a real moorkha. " We are all moorkhas

> > > in the beginning. Some of us are formally and informally taught to be

> > > wise, but the really moorkhas refuse to learn wisdom and they like only

> > > other moorkhas.

> > >

> > > To Arun Ji : " Please tolerate. "

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ====================== ===

> > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Arun,

> > > > Thanks for the final advice.But I do not consider you a Guru,a Moorkha

> > > cannot be a guru to a Moorkha,reverse of intellectual. So carry on

> > > hitherto with your parampara and swabhava; and I will carry on with

> > > mine.BTW-You have wasted your time on 6 irrelevent msgs of yours, and I

> > > have learned from all these, with my contribution of 4.

> > > > So long then !

> > > >

> > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " arun " aruninthecity@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear RajJi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Congratulations on coming back with your another *thumka*. You are

> > > getting better and better. I sincerely advice to find and another forum

> > > where your *matak shatak* is entrained. As I think that this forum

> > > didn't need intellectuals like you.

> > > > > Instead of coming up with these phrases its better you remain silent

> > > and not prove again and again about your *moorkhata*.

> > > > >

> > > > > And please don't write in caps, it means that you are shouting on

> > > me. Hope you are not???

> > > > >

> > > > > With my best wishes for your Jyotish learning.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > Arun.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Arun Ji,

> > > > > > Indeed I do, it is good exercise, but NO MATAK SHATAK in my life,

> > > when Shastrarth or serious discussions on serious matters are ON,between

> > > Gurus and Titans of Jyotish. Therefore, I learn a lot

> > > ,sitting/listening/observing/reading and analysing silently.I am blessed

> > > that I have not given any chance to Gurus to cut me down to size, as I

> > > have never poked them and got reprimanded in turn for any of my

> > > Moorkhata. So I still maintain that Silence is golden and would love to

> > > add " JIN KHOJA TIN PAYIA GEHARE PANI PAITH; and when one goes in deep

> > > water,one can't even breathe what to say of speaking,there is complete

> > > trance like feeling - The golden silence; and learning enters the mind

> > > smoothly! But then it is individual choice ! With my best wishes for

> > > more learning

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear RajJi,

> > > > > > > In my definition what you are doing is *matak shatak*. Indeed

> > > you are good in doing this. I am not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why don't you only let jyotishi in you do the talking? Don't get

> > > inspired by others. If others are jumping in the well, will you also

> > > jumps...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you have something interesting to share from the point of

> > > view of discussion then go ahead, share it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Otherwise, please don't bother me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks. I too am *Adhajal Ghara*,but I dont do

> > > MATAK-SHATAK,in the company of/or in the presence of Gurus you have

> > > named, and quite a few others,front of the *POORNA GHARAS* when doing

> > > Gyanarjan ; (learning Jyotish )and am doing so right from my birth ,

> > > quite long ago. Silence can prove golden MOST of the times. My best

> > > wishes for learning nonetheless !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear rajbhardwaj1949,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am happy to be *adhajal ghara*, being so i have more

> > > opportunities to learn from the vast experience of RohiniJi, vinayJi,

> > > SanjayJi, NarashimaJi.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am happy the the way i am. i have not learn enough since

> > > last few years in comparison to what i have learned in few days.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope rohiniJi is not bothered by my very very small ego

> > > and will shower his grace on me in future as well.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BTW: Do even realize the importance of VinayJi work. I am

> > > not a fool that i call every second research done by an xyz person as

> > > being noble.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > tc

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj "

> > > <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Aruninthecity,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You *wrote* to Vinajy Ji*You have dedicated your life to

> > > these noble

> > > > > > > > > > cause. I will be more that happy

> > > > > > > > > > if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

> > > Suryasiddhantic

> > > > > > > > > > calculation methods superior to some false European

> > > propagandas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You also wrote to Rohini few things in your Josh. Do you

> > > know what are

> > > > > > > > > > the idioms in Hindi which justify your learning of Jyotish

> > > , so far

> > > > > > > > > > -*ADH JAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE* and *THOTHA CHANA BAAJE

> > > GHANA* and lastly

> > > > > > > > > > *JOSH MAIN HOSH KHONA*. Hope 3 will suffice,as I want to

> > > save

> > > > > > > > > > space....(:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Little lesson from the story so far - Revise and revise

> > > again when you

> > > > > > > > > > write anything !

> > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RohiniJi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I was just searching through the articles which you have

> > > written, i

> > > > > > > > > > find this:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " a text that is so ancient, it is not surprising that

> > > discrepancies

> > > > > > > > > > exist, but the beginner in jyotish should be watchful

> > > about these and

> > > > > > > > > > should approach what is stated in these books with an open

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > questioning mind. Much of astrology is definable in terms

> > > of clear

> > > > > > > > > > logical threads, although there is a lot where logic is

> > > not apparent.

> > > > > > > > > > One must not hesitate to question if such situations

> > > represent missing

> > > > > > > > > > logic, missing keys or are simply inaccurate. In this

> > > context, it

> > > > > > > > > > bothers me quite a bit to notice the near absence of

> > > example horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > right across the board in jyotish classics. "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > source: http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is indeed a nice article which you have written in

> > > year 2000.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal "

> > > jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you have tested it, Dear Arun, then why don't you

> > > share your

> > > > > > > > > > findings, rather than playing games ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is not a game of cards or pastime. Or maybe

> > > it is for you!

> > > > > > > > > > Which is fine -- what do I care ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your

> > > statements. My

> > > > > > > > > > apologies, if it is true.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa,

> > > Swamsa or Karak

> > > > > > > > > > lagan.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct

> > > but I didn't

> > > > > > > > > > ask this question without testing these concepts in many

> > > charts?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa

> > > concept to verify

> > > > > > > > > > verses of parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In

> > > some chart it

> > > > > > > > > > works all fine, but fails miserably in other charts. Do

> > > you want me to

> > > > > > > > > > post some examples?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion.

> > > That's why I

> > > > > > > > > > say that what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be

> > > darakarak or

> > > > > > > > > > amtyakarak. It might be the case if we are using incorrect

> > > Ayanamsha. I

> > > > > > > > > > am not sure but vinayJi is quit sure. What are your views?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand.

> > > So do

> > > > > > > > > > everyone, who is reading this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear VinayJi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I

> > > will be more

> > > > > > > > > > that happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

> > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhantic calculation methods superior to some false

> > > European

> > > > > > > > > > propagandas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can do is that I can test the charts created

> > > in your

> > > > > > > > > > software and share my views.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case

> > > studies of

> > > > > > > > > > some well known person which are based on calculations

> > > made from your

> > > > > > > > > > software?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have

> > > no faith in

> > > > > > > > > > Bphs. This is a wrong assumption which you are making.

> > > Parashara is the

> > > > > > > > > > father of jyotish. He is the beginning but not the end.

> > > Even I will not

> > > > > > > > > > be surprised, if other day someone comes and say that he

> > > has few

> > > > > > > > > > undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit

> > > itself to one

> > > > > > > > > > scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I

> > > also very well

> > > > > > > > > > understand that still lot is hidden in bphs which is hard

> > > to understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which

> > > might be used

> > > > > > > > > > for wrong purpose.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we

> > > didn't have to

> > > > > > > > > > live in the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is

> > > not parashara.

> > > > > > > > > > His level is much beyond our anticipation.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish

> > > guru whatsoever.

> > > > > > > > > > I am free and own my own. I represent myself and no one

> > > else. Please

> > > > > > > > > > don't misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any jyotish

> > > gurus. I am

> > > > > > > > > > just tying to collect gems in heap of stones. If you have

> > > some gems then

> > > > > > > > > > I will be more then happy collect then from you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > For analysis, please post links to the predictive

> > > results of some

> > > > > > > > > > well known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta

> > > calculation methods.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology ,

> > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arun,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > See copy of my earlier response after the

> > > following quote of

> > > > > > > > > > your musings...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how you deduced from my response

> > > that I am against

> > > > > > > > > > Pt. Rath's views!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and

> > > analytical minds like

> > > > > > > > > > yours will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested

> > > something themselves

> > > > > > > > > > and would not easily be able to go with what someone says,

> > > no matter how

> > > > > > > > > > accomplished!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop

> > > the inner

> > > > > > > > > > chatter so that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR__,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in

> > > navamsha

> > > > > > > > > > chart? (few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It

> > > seems that

> > > > > > > > > > [he] is against pt.Rath views)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and

> > > can go back

> > > > > > > > > > to confirm facts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings

> > > than your

> > > > > > > > > > internet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > See if their experiences and expressions match

> > > best with the

> > > > > > > > > > Kshetra varga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once

> > > you have gone

> > > > > > > > > > through that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > few times, you would not have to rely on and have

> > > to provide

> > > > > > > > > > citations for which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that

> > > nuance or

> > > > > > > > > > ultimate TRUTH!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until then, regardless of how many books,

> > > articles, postings by

> > > > > > > > > > Gurujis etc get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > written and re-written and yet again -- these very

> > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > shall continue to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a

> > > western classical

> > > > > > > > > > music piece:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT

> > > was not what

> > > > > > > > > > the chain of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Da,

 

I never shared my birthdata at any forum, I only stated some of the yogas in my

D1 chart. Raj Ji ignored my point that the influence of my horoscope on me has

drastically changed after I performed excruciating tapasyaa for years. Raj Ji

will not gain any information about me by looking into at my birthchart, because

birthchart is reflection of actions of past lives, whereas by means of actions

of present life I have drastically modified the influence of my horoscope.

Hence, his analysis of mt chart will give rise to results which will not apply

to me in any signifinant respect. Instead, he ought to discuss the charts of

persons like Napoleon who have well researched birthdata, or of national

astrology.

 

-VJ

======================== ==

vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> I think Raj_dada was asking for your birthdata which you have already shared

publicly a few times (I forget which forum/fora ...).

>

>

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Raj Ji,

> >

> > I have so many tasks that I really do not recollect what are you referring

to ( " baalahatha " ) ??

> >

> > -VJ

> > ==================== ==

> > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > >

> > > My dear Vinay Ji,

> > > I am thankful to you for the advice. Quite a few things were churning in

my mind for sometime, And yes Thanks to you, Aaj aur abhi maine Teesri Kaasam le

li Hai ! Reminds me of great Renu Ji and his creation of the simpleton Gaariwan

of Maare Gaye Gulpham. Thanks a lot once again. But, please do not forget my

Baalhath with you , I shall remain indebted.

> > >

> > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Raj Ji,

> > > >

> > > > You are a good astrologer and that is why I am requesting you to devote

> > > > your time to positive works.

> > > >

> > > > One of your statements ( " a Moorkha cannot be a guru to a Moorkha " )

> > > > reminds a different statement in last skandha of Shri-Mad-Bhaagavata :

> > > > " a Moorkha shishya chooses only a Moorkha guru " . My late Guruji had

> > > > said : " it is moorkhtaa to teach a real moorkha. " We are all moorkhas

> > > > in the beginning. Some of us are formally and informally taught to be

> > > > wise, but the really moorkhas refuse to learn wisdom and they like only

> > > > other moorkhas.

> > > >

> > > > To Arun Ji : " Please tolerate. "

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ====================== ===

> > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Arun,

> > > > > Thanks for the final advice.But I do not consider you a Guru,a Moorkha

> > > > cannot be a guru to a Moorkha,reverse of intellectual. So carry on

> > > > hitherto with your parampara and swabhava; and I will carry on with

> > > > mine.BTW-You have wasted your time on 6 irrelevent msgs of yours, and I

> > > > have learned from all these, with my contribution of 4.

> > > > > So long then !

> > > > >

> > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " aruninthecity@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear RajJi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Congratulations on coming back with your another *thumka*. You are

> > > > getting better and better. I sincerely advice to find and another forum

> > > > where your *matak shatak* is entrained. As I think that this forum

> > > > didn't need intellectuals like you.

> > > > > > Instead of coming up with these phrases its better you remain silent

> > > > and not prove again and again about your *moorkhata*.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And please don't write in caps, it means that you are shouting on

> > > > me. Hope you are not???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With my best wishes for your Jyotish learning.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Arun Ji,

> > > > > > > Indeed I do, it is good exercise, but NO MATAK SHATAK in my life,

> > > > when Shastrarth or serious discussions on serious matters are ON,between

> > > > Gurus and Titans of Jyotish. Therefore, I learn a lot

> > > > ,sitting/listening/observing/reading and analysing silently.I am blessed

> > > > that I have not given any chance to Gurus to cut me down to size, as I

> > > > have never poked them and got reprimanded in turn for any of my

> > > > Moorkhata. So I still maintain that Silence is golden and would love to

> > > > add " JIN KHOJA TIN PAYIA GEHARE PANI PAITH; and when one goes in deep

> > > > water,one can't even breathe what to say of speaking,there is complete

> > > > trance like feeling - The golden silence; and learning enters the mind

> > > > smoothly! But then it is individual choice ! With my best wishes for

> > > > more learning

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear RajJi,

> > > > > > > > In my definition what you are doing is *matak shatak*. Indeed

> > > > you are good in doing this. I am not.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why don't you only let jyotishi in you do the talking? Don't get

> > > > inspired by others. If others are jumping in the well, will you also

> > > > jumps...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you have something interesting to share from the point of

> > > > view of discussion then go ahead, share it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Otherwise, please don't bother me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks. I too am *Adhajal Ghara*,but I dont do

> > > > MATAK-SHATAK,in the company of/or in the presence of Gurus you have

> > > > named, and quite a few others,front of the *POORNA GHARAS* when doing

> > > > Gyanarjan ; (learning Jyotish )and am doing so right from my birth ,

> > > > quite long ago. Silence can prove golden MOST of the times. My best

> > > > wishes for learning nonetheless !

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > > <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear rajbhardwaj1949,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am happy to be *adhajal ghara*, being so i have more

> > > > opportunities to learn from the vast experience of RohiniJi, vinayJi,

> > > > SanjayJi, NarashimaJi.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am happy the the way i am. i have not learn enough since

> > > > last few years in comparison to what i have learned in few days.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hope rohiniJi is not bothered by my very very small ego

> > > > and will shower his grace on me in future as well.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BTW: Do even realize the importance of VinayJi work. I am

> > > > not a fool that i call every second research done by an xyz person as

> > > > being noble.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > tc

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj "

> > > > <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aruninthecity,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You *wrote* to Vinajy Ji*You have dedicated your life to

> > > > these noble

> > > > > > > > > > > cause. I will be more that happy

> > > > > > > > > > > if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

> > > > Suryasiddhantic

> > > > > > > > > > > calculation methods superior to some false European

> > > > propagandas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You also wrote to Rohini few things in your Josh. Do you

> > > > know what are

> > > > > > > > > > > the idioms in Hindi which justify your learning of Jyotish

> > > > , so far

> > > > > > > > > > > -*ADH JAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE* and *THOTHA CHANA BAAJE

> > > > GHANA* and lastly

> > > > > > > > > > > *JOSH MAIN HOSH KHONA*. Hope 3 will suffice,as I want to

> > > > save

> > > > > > > > > > > space....(:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Little lesson from the story so far - Revise and revise

> > > > again when you

> > > > > > > > > > > write anything !

> > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RohiniJi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I was just searching through the articles which you have

> > > > written, i

> > > > > > > > > > > find this:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " a text that is so ancient, it is not surprising that

> > > > discrepancies

> > > > > > > > > > > exist, but the beginner in jyotish should be watchful

> > > > about these and

> > > > > > > > > > > should approach what is stated in these books with an open

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > questioning mind. Much of astrology is definable in terms

> > > > of clear

> > > > > > > > > > > logical threads, although there is a lot where logic is

> > > > not apparent.

> > > > > > > > > > > One must not hesitate to question if such situations

> > > > represent missing

> > > > > > > > > > > logic, missing keys or are simply inaccurate. In this

> > > > context, it

> > > > > > > > > > > bothers me quite a bit to notice the near absence of

> > > > example horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > right across the board in jyotish classics. "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > source: http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is indeed a nice article which you have written in

> > > > year 2000.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have tested it, Dear Arun, then why don't you

> > > > share your

> > > > > > > > > > > findings, rather than playing games ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is not a game of cards or pastime. Or maybe

> > > > it is for you!

> > > > > > > > > > > Which is fine -- what do I care ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your

> > > > statements. My

> > > > > > > > > > > apologies, if it is true.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa,

> > > > Swamsa or Karak

> > > > > > > > > > > lagan.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit correct

> > > > but I didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > ask this question without testing these concepts in many

> > > > charts?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa

> > > > concept to verify

> > > > > > > > > > > verses of parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In

> > > > some chart it

> > > > > > > > > > > works all fine, but fails miserably in other charts. Do

> > > > you want me to

> > > > > > > > > > > post some examples?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still I am unable to come to a definite conclusion.

> > > > That's why I

> > > > > > > > > > > say that what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be

> > > > darakarak or

> > > > > > > > > > > amtyakarak. It might be the case if we are using incorrect

> > > > Ayanamsha. I

> > > > > > > > > > > am not sure but vinayJi is quit sure. What are your views?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm stand.

> > > > So do

> > > > > > > > > > > everyone, who is reading this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear VinayJi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have dedicated your life to these noble cause. I

> > > > will be more

> > > > > > > > > > > that happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

> > > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhantic calculation methods superior to some false

> > > > European

> > > > > > > > > > > propagandas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can do is that I can test the charts created

> > > > in your

> > > > > > > > > > > software and share my views.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart case

> > > > studies of

> > > > > > > > > > > some well known person which are based on calculations

> > > > made from your

> > > > > > > > > > > software?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have

> > > > no faith in

> > > > > > > > > > > Bphs. This is a wrong assumption which you are making.

> > > > Parashara is the

> > > > > > > > > > > father of jyotish. He is the beginning but not the end.

> > > > Even I will not

> > > > > > > > > > > be surprised, if other day someone comes and say that he

> > > > has few

> > > > > > > > > > > undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also it's also not fair to say that one should limit

> > > > itself to one

> > > > > > > > > > > scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I

> > > > also very well

> > > > > > > > > > > understand that still lot is hidden in bphs which is hard

> > > > to understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge which

> > > > might be used

> > > > > > > > > > > for wrong purpose.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we

> > > > didn't have to

> > > > > > > > > > > live in the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is

> > > > not parashara.

> > > > > > > > > > > His level is much beyond our anticipation.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish

> > > > guru whatsoever.

> > > > > > > > > > > I am free and own my own. I represent myself and no one

> > > > else. Please

> > > > > > > > > > > don't misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any jyotish

> > > > gurus. I am

> > > > > > > > > > > just tying to collect gems in heap of stones. If you have

> > > > some gems then

> > > > > > > > > > > I will be more then happy collect then from you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For analysis, please post links to the predictive

> > > > results of some

> > > > > > > > > > > well known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta

> > > > calculation methods.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology ,

> > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arun,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See copy of my earlier response after the

> > > > following quote of

> > > > > > > > > > > your musings...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how you deduced from my response

> > > > that I am against

> > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Rath's views!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and

> > > > analytical minds like

> > > > > > > > > > > yours will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested

> > > > something themselves

> > > > > > > > > > > and would not easily be able to go with what someone says,

> > > > no matter how

> > > > > > > > > > > accomplished!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is good to ask questions but then one must stop

> > > > the inner

> > > > > > > > > > > chatter so that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR__,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in

> > > > navamsha

> > > > > > > > > > > chart? (few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It

> > > > seems that

> > > > > > > > > > > [he] is against pt.Rath views)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know and

> > > > can go back

> > > > > > > > > > > to confirm facts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings

> > > > than your

> > > > > > > > > > > internet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See if their experiences and expressions match

> > > > best with the

> > > > > > > > > > > Kshetra varga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience! Once

> > > > you have gone

> > > > > > > > > > > through that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few times, you would not have to rely on and have

> > > > to provide

> > > > > > > > > > > citations for which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that

> > > > nuance or

> > > > > > > > > > > ultimate TRUTH!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until then, regardless of how many books,

> > > > articles, postings by

> > > > > > > > > > > Gurujis etc get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written and re-written and yet again -- these very

> > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > shall continue to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a

> > > > western classical

> > > > > > > > > > > music piece:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS! THAT

> > > > was not what

> > > > > > > > > > > the chain of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps that is why Yogananda and perhaps Vivekananda too discouraged people

from relying on astrology and horoscope etc. Or perhaps those times were

different and needed that kind of mind-set and a reminder that free-will exists.

 

RR_,

 

vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Da,

>

> I never shared my birthdata at any forum, I only stated some of the yogas in

my D1 chart. Raj Ji ignored my point that the influence of my horoscope on me

has drastically changed after I performed excruciating tapasyaa for years. Raj

Ji will not gain any information about me by looking into at my birthchart,

because birthchart is reflection of actions of past lives, whereas by means of

actions of present life I have drastically modified the influence of my

horoscope. Hence, his analysis of mt chart will give rise to results which will

not apply to me in any signifinant respect. Instead, he ought to discuss the

charts of persons like Napoleon who have well researched birthdata, or of

national astrology.

>

> -VJ

> ======================== ==

> vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > I think Raj_dada was asking for your birthdata which you have already shared

publicly a few times (I forget which forum/fora ...).

> >

> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Raj Ji,

> > >

> > > I have so many tasks that I really do not recollect what are you referring

to ( " baalahatha " ) ??

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ==================== ==

> > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > My dear Vinay Ji,

> > > > I am thankful to you for the advice. Quite a few things were churning in

my mind for sometime, And yes Thanks to you, Aaj aur abhi maine Teesri Kaasam le

li Hai ! Reminds me of great Renu Ji and his creation of the simpleton Gaariwan

of Maare Gaye Gulpham. Thanks a lot once again. But, please do not forget my

Baalhath with you , I shall remain indebted.

> > > >

> > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Raj Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > You are a good astrologer and that is why I am requesting you to

devote

> > > > > your time to positive works.

> > > > >

> > > > > One of your statements ( " a Moorkha cannot be a guru to a Moorkha " )

> > > > > reminds a different statement in last skandha of Shri-Mad-Bhaagavata :

> > > > > " a Moorkha shishya chooses only a Moorkha guru " . My late Guruji had

> > > > > said : " it is moorkhtaa to teach a real moorkha. " We are all

moorkhas

> > > > > in the beginning. Some of us are formally and informally taught to be

> > > > > wise, but the really moorkhas refuse to learn wisdom and they like

only

> > > > > other moorkhas.

> > > > >

> > > > > To Arun Ji : " Please tolerate. "

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ====================== ===

> > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Arun,

> > > > > > Thanks for the final advice.But I do not consider you a Guru,a

Moorkha

> > > > > cannot be a guru to a Moorkha,reverse of intellectual. So carry on

> > > > > hitherto with your parampara and swabhava; and I will carry on with

> > > > > mine.BTW-You have wasted your time on 6 irrelevent msgs of yours, and

I

> > > > > have learned from all these, with my contribution of 4.

> > > > > > So long then !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " aruninthecity@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear RajJi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Congratulations on coming back with your another *thumka*. You are

> > > > > getting better and better. I sincerely advice to find and another

forum

> > > > > where your *matak shatak* is entrained. As I think that this forum

> > > > > didn't need intellectuals like you.

> > > > > > > Instead of coming up with these phrases its better you remain

silent

> > > > > and not prove again and again about your *moorkhata*.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And please don't write in caps, it means that you are shouting on

> > > > > me. Hope you are not???

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With my best wishes for your Jyotish learning.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Arun Ji,

> > > > > > > > Indeed I do, it is good exercise, but NO MATAK SHATAK in my

life,

> > > > > when Shastrarth or serious discussions on serious matters are

ON,between

> > > > > Gurus and Titans of Jyotish. Therefore, I learn a lot

> > > > > ,sitting/listening/observing/reading and analysing silently.I am

blessed

> > > > > that I have not given any chance to Gurus to cut me down to size, as I

> > > > > have never poked them and got reprimanded in turn for any of my

> > > > > Moorkhata. So I still maintain that Silence is golden and would love

to

> > > > > add " JIN KHOJA TIN PAYIA GEHARE PANI PAITH; and when one goes in deep

> > > > > water,one can't even breathe what to say of speaking,there is complete

> > > > > trance like feeling - The golden silence; and learning enters the mind

> > > > > smoothly! But then it is individual choice ! With my best wishes for

> > > > > more learning

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear RajJi,

> > > > > > > > > In my definition what you are doing is *matak shatak*. Indeed

> > > > > you are good in doing this. I am not.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why don't you only let jyotishi in you do the talking? Don't

get

> > > > > inspired by others. If others are jumping in the well, will you also

> > > > > jumps...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you have something interesting to share from the point of

> > > > > view of discussion then go ahead, share it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Otherwise, please don't bother me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj "

<rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I too am *Adhajal Ghara*,but I dont do

> > > > > MATAK-SHATAK,in the company of/or in the presence of Gurus you have

> > > > > named, and quite a few others,front of the *POORNA GHARAS* when doing

> > > > > Gyanarjan ; (learning Jyotish )and am doing so right from my birth ,

> > > > > quite long ago. Silence can prove golden MOST of the times. My best

> > > > > wishes for learning nonetheless !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > > > <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear rajbhardwaj1949,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am happy to be *adhajal ghara*, being so i have more

> > > > > opportunities to learn from the vast experience of RohiniJi, vinayJi,

> > > > > SanjayJi, NarashimaJi.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am happy the the way i am. i have not learn enough since

> > > > > last few years in comparison to what i have learned in few days.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope rohiniJi is not bothered by my very very small ego

> > > > > and will shower his grace on me in future as well.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > BTW: Do even realize the importance of VinayJi work. I am

> > > > > not a fool that i call every second research done by an xyz person as

> > > > > being noble.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > tc

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj "

> > > > > <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aruninthecity,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You *wrote* to Vinajy Ji*You have dedicated your life to

> > > > > these noble

> > > > > > > > > > > > cause. I will be more that happy

> > > > > > > > > > > > if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

> > > > > Suryasiddhantic

> > > > > > > > > > > > calculation methods superior to some false European

> > > > > propagandas.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You also wrote to Rohini few things in your Josh. Do you

> > > > > know what are

> > > > > > > > > > > > the idioms in Hindi which justify your learning of

Jyotish

> > > > > , so far

> > > > > > > > > > > > -*ADH JAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE* and *THOTHA CHANA BAAJE

> > > > > GHANA* and lastly

> > > > > > > > > > > > *JOSH MAIN HOSH KHONA*. Hope 3 will suffice,as I want to

> > > > > save

> > > > > > > > > > > > space....(:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Little lesson from the story so far - Revise and revise

> > > > > again when you

> > > > > > > > > > > > write anything !

> > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > > > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RohiniJi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just searching through the articles which you

have

> > > > > written, i

> > > > > > > > > > > > find this:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " a text that is so ancient, it is not surprising that

> > > > > discrepancies

> > > > > > > > > > > > exist, but the beginner in jyotish should be watchful

> > > > > about these and

> > > > > > > > > > > > should approach what is stated in these books with an

open

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > questioning mind. Much of astrology is definable in

terms

> > > > > of clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > logical threads, although there is a lot where logic is

> > > > > not apparent.

> > > > > > > > > > > > One must not hesitate to question if such situations

> > > > > represent missing

> > > > > > > > > > > > logic, missing keys or are simply inaccurate. In this

> > > > > context, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > bothers me quite a bit to notice the near absence of

> > > > > example horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > right across the board in jyotish classics. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > source: http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is indeed a nice article which you have written

in

> > > > > year 2000.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have tested it, Dear Arun, then why don't you

> > > > > share your

> > > > > > > > > > > > findings, rather than playing games ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is not a game of cards or pastime. Or

maybe

> > > > > it is for you!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Which is fine -- what do I care ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > > > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your

> > > > > statements. My

> > > > > > > > > > > > apologies, if it is true.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, please tell me now what exactly is Karakamsa,

> > > > > Swamsa or Karak

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagan.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit

correct

> > > > > but I didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > ask this question without testing these concepts in many

> > > > > charts?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa

> > > > > concept to verify

> > > > > > > > > > > > verses of parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter. In

> > > > > some chart it

> > > > > > > > > > > > works all fine, but fails miserably in other charts. Do

> > > > > you want me to

> > > > > > > > > > > > post some examples?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still I am unable to come to a definite

conclusion.

> > > > > That's why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > say that what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be

> > > > > darakarak or

> > > > > > > > > > > > amtyakarak. It might be the case if we are using

incorrect

> > > > > Ayanamsha. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > am not sure but vinayJi is quit sure. What are your

views?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm

stand.

> > > > > So do

> > > > > > > > > > > > everyone, who is reading this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear VinayJi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have dedicated your life to these noble cause.

I

> > > > > will be more

> > > > > > > > > > > > that happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras,

our

> > > > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhantic calculation methods superior to some

false

> > > > > European

> > > > > > > > > > > > propagandas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can do is that I can test the charts created

> > > > > in your

> > > > > > > > > > > > software and share my views.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart

case

> > > > > studies of

> > > > > > > > > > > > some well known person which are based on calculations

> > > > > made from your

> > > > > > > > > > > > software?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I have

> > > > > no faith in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bphs. This is a wrong assumption which you are making.

> > > > > Parashara is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > father of jyotish. He is the beginning but not the end.

> > > > > Even I will not

> > > > > > > > > > > > be surprised, if other day someone comes and say that he

> > > > > has few

> > > > > > > > > > > > undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also it's also not fair to say that one should

limit

> > > > > itself to one

> > > > > > > > > > > > scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I

> > > > > also very well

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand that still lot is hidden in bphs which is

hard

> > > > > to understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge

which

> > > > > might be used

> > > > > > > > > > > > for wrong purpose.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then we

> > > > > didn't have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > live in the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he is

> > > > > not parashara.

> > > > > > > > > > > > His level is much beyond our anticipation.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any jyotish

> > > > > guru whatsoever.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am free and own my own. I represent myself and no one

> > > > > else. Please

> > > > > > > > > > > > don't misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any

jyotish

> > > > > gurus. I am

> > > > > > > > > > > > just tying to collect gems in heap of stones. If you

have

> > > > > some gems then

> > > > > > > > > > > > I will be more then happy collect then from you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For analysis, please post links to the predictive

> > > > > results of some

> > > > > > > > > > > > well known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta

> > > > > calculation methods.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology ,

> > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arun,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See copy of my earlier response after the

> > > > > following quote of

> > > > > > > > > > > > your musings...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how you deduced from my response

> > > > > that I am against

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Rath's views!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and

> > > > > analytical minds like

> > > > > > > > > > > > yours will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested

> > > > > something themselves

> > > > > > > > > > > > and would not easily be able to go with what someone

says,

> > > > > no matter how

> > > > > > > > > > > > accomplished!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is good to ask questions but then one must

stop

> > > > > the inner

> > > > > > > > > > > > chatter so that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR__,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > > > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or

in

> > > > > navamsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart? (few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji.

It

> > > > > seems that

> > > > > > > > > > > > [he] is against pt.Rath views)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 118641 of 118790 < Prev | Next >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know

and

> > > > > can go back

> > > > > > > > > > > > to confirm facts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face settings

> > > > > than your

> > > > > > > > > > > > internet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See if their experiences and expressions match

> > > > > best with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kshetra varga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience!

Once

> > > > > you have gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > through that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few times, you would not have to rely on and

have

> > > > > to provide

> > > > > > > > > > > > citations for which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or that

> > > > > nuance or

> > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate TRUTH!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until then, regardless of how many books,

> > > > > articles, postings by

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gurujis etc get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written and re-written and yet again -- these

very

> > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > > shall continue to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a

> > > > > western classical

> > > > > > > > > > > > music piece:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS!

THAT

> > > > > was not what

> > > > > > > > > > > > the chain of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes,free will exists. Animals are " pashus " because they are bound with the

" paasha " of horoscopes (ie, results of past karmas which form Samskaara), but

humans possess Free-will in addition to horoscopes. We can add good or bad

karmas to the already existing list. If our present karmas are powerful enough,

they can change horoscopes. Grah-shaanti is one example of the fact that

horoscopes can be changed.

 

-VJ

 

vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Perhaps that is why Yogananda and perhaps Vivekananda too discouraged people

from relying on astrology and horoscope etc. Or perhaps those times were

different and needed that kind of mind-set and a reminder that free-will exists.

>

> RR_,

>

> vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Da,

> >

> > I never shared my birthdata at any forum, I only stated some of the yogas in

my D1 chart. Raj Ji ignored my point that the influence of my horoscope on me

has drastically changed after I performed excruciating tapasyaa for years. Raj

Ji will not gain any information about me by looking into at my birthchart,

because birthchart is reflection of actions of past lives, whereas by means of

actions of present life I have drastically modified the influence of my

horoscope. Hence, his analysis of mt chart will give rise to results which will

not apply to me in any signifinant respect. Instead, he ought to discuss the

charts of persons like Napoleon who have well researched birthdata, or of

national astrology.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ======================== ==

> > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > I think Raj_dada was asking for your birthdata which you have already

shared publicly a few times (I forget which forum/fora ...).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Raj Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I have so many tasks that I really do not recollect what are you

referring to ( " baalahatha " ) ??

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ==================== ==

> > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > My dear Vinay Ji,

> > > > > I am thankful to you for the advice. Quite a few things were churning

in my mind for sometime, And yes Thanks to you, Aaj aur abhi maine Teesri Kaasam

le li Hai ! Reminds me of great Renu Ji and his creation of the simpleton

Gaariwan of Maare Gaye Gulpham. Thanks a lot once again. But, please do not

forget my Baalhath with you , I shall remain indebted.

> > > > >

> > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raj Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are a good astrologer and that is why I am requesting you to

devote

> > > > > > your time to positive works.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One of your statements ( " a Moorkha cannot be a guru to a Moorkha " )

> > > > > > reminds a different statement in last skandha of Shri-Mad-Bhaagavata

:

> > > > > > " a Moorkha shishya chooses only a Moorkha guru " . My late Guruji

had

> > > > > > said : " it is moorkhtaa to teach a real moorkha. " We are all

moorkhas

> > > > > > in the beginning. Some of us are formally and informally taught to

be

> > > > > > wise, but the really moorkhas refuse to learn wisdom and they like

only

> > > > > > other moorkhas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To Arun Ji : " Please tolerate. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > ====================== ===

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Arun,

> > > > > > > Thanks for the final advice.But I do not consider you a Guru,a

Moorkha

> > > > > > cannot be a guru to a Moorkha,reverse of intellectual. So carry on

> > > > > > hitherto with your parampara and swabhava; and I will carry on with

> > > > > > mine.BTW-You have wasted your time on 6 irrelevent msgs of yours,

and I

> > > > > > have learned from all these, with my contribution of 4.

> > > > > > > So long then !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " aruninthecity@

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear RajJi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Congratulations on coming back with your another *thumka*. You

are

> > > > > > getting better and better. I sincerely advice to find and another

forum

> > > > > > where your *matak shatak* is entrained. As I think that this forum

> > > > > > didn't need intellectuals like you.

> > > > > > > > Instead of coming up with these phrases its better you remain

silent

> > > > > > and not prove again and again about your *moorkhata*.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And please don't write in caps, it means that you are shouting

on

> > > > > > me. Hope you are not???

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With my best wishes for your Jyotish learning.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Arun Ji,

> > > > > > > > > Indeed I do, it is good exercise, but NO MATAK SHATAK in my

life,

> > > > > > when Shastrarth or serious discussions on serious matters are

ON,between

> > > > > > Gurus and Titans of Jyotish. Therefore, I learn a lot

> > > > > > ,sitting/listening/observing/reading and analysing silently.I am

blessed

> > > > > > that I have not given any chance to Gurus to cut me down to size, as

I

> > > > > > have never poked them and got reprimanded in turn for any of my

> > > > > > Moorkhata. So I still maintain that Silence is golden and would love

to

> > > > > > add " JIN KHOJA TIN PAYIA GEHARE PANI PAITH; and when one goes in

deep

> > > > > > water,one can't even breathe what to say of speaking,there is

complete

> > > > > > trance like feeling - The golden silence; and learning enters the

mind

> > > > > > smoothly! But then it is individual choice ! With my best wishes for

> > > > > > more learning

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

<aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear RajJi,

> > > > > > > > > > In my definition what you are doing is *matak shatak*.

Indeed

> > > > > > you are good in doing this. I am not.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why don't you only let jyotishi in you do the talking? Don't

get

> > > > > > inspired by others. If others are jumping in the well, will you also

> > > > > > jumps...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you have something interesting to share from the point of

> > > > > > view of discussion then go ahead, share it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, please don't bother me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks in anticipation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj "

<rajbhardwaj1949@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I too am *Adhajal Ghara*,but I dont do

> > > > > > MATAK-SHATAK,in the company of/or in the presence of Gurus you have

> > > > > > named, and quite a few others,front of the *POORNA GHARAS* when

doing

> > > > > > Gyanarjan ; (learning Jyotish )and am doing so right from my birth ,

> > > > > > quite long ago. Silence can prove golden MOST of the times. My best

> > > > > > wishes for learning nonetheless !

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > > > > <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear rajbhardwaj1949,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy to be *adhajal ghara*, being so i have more

> > > > > > opportunities to learn from the vast experience of RohiniJi,

vinayJi,

> > > > > > SanjayJi, NarashimaJi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy the the way i am. i have not learn enough

since

> > > > > > last few years in comparison to what i have learned in few days.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope rohiniJi is not bothered by my very very small

ego

> > > > > > and will shower his grace on me in future as well.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > BTW: Do even realize the importance of VinayJi work. I

am

> > > > > > not a fool that i call every second research done by an xyz person

as

> > > > > > being noble.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > tc

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj "

> > > > > > <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aruninthecity,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You *wrote* to Vinajy Ji*You have dedicated your life

to

> > > > > > these noble

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cause. I will be more that happy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > if you be able to prove that our Shastras, our

> > > > > > Suryasiddhantic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > calculation methods superior to some false European

> > > > > > propagandas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You also wrote to Rohini few things in your Josh. Do

you

> > > > > > know what are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the idioms in Hindi which justify your learning of

Jyotish

> > > > > > , so far

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -*ADH JAL GAGRI CHHALKAT JAYE* and *THOTHA CHANA BAAJE

> > > > > > GHANA* and lastly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > *JOSH MAIN HOSH KHONA*. Hope 3 will suffice,as I want

to

> > > > > > save

> > > > > > > > > > > > > space....(:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Little lesson from the story so far - Revise and

revise

> > > > > > again when you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > write anything !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > > > > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RohiniJi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just searching through the articles which you

have

> > > > > > written, i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > find this:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " a text that is so ancient, it is not surprising

that

> > > > > > discrepancies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exist, but the beginner in jyotish should be watchful

> > > > > > about these and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > should approach what is stated in these books with an

open

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > questioning mind. Much of astrology is definable in

terms

> > > > > > of clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > logical threads, although there is a lot where logic

is

> > > > > > not apparent.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > One must not hesitate to question if such situations

> > > > > > represent missing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, missing keys or are simply inaccurate. In this

> > > > > > context, it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bothers me quite a bit to notice the near absence of

> > > > > > example horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > right across the board in jyotish classics. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > source: http://www.boloji.com/astro/00303.htm

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is indeed a nice article which you have written

in

> > > > > > year 2000.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have tested it, Dear Arun, then why don't

you

> > > > > > share your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > findings, rather than playing games ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is not a game of cards or pastime. Or

maybe

> > > > > > it is for you!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is fine -- what do I care ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > > > > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RohiniJi Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I might have come to wrong conclusion from your

> > > > > > statements. My

> > > > > > > > > > > > > apologies, if it is true.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, please tell me now what exactly is

Karakamsa,

> > > > > > Swamsa or Karak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagan.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your suggestion to test it in charts is quit

correct

> > > > > > but I didn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ask this question without testing these concepts in

many

> > > > > > charts?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spend days and days with this karakamsa

> > > > > > concept to verify

> > > > > > > > > > > > > verses of parashara in " effect of karakans " chapter.

In

> > > > > > some chart it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > works all fine, but fails miserably in other charts.

Do

> > > > > > you want me to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > post some examples?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still I am unable to come to a definite

conclusion.

> > > > > > That's why I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > say that what we thinking as to be atmakarak might be

> > > > > > darakarak or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > amtyakarak. It might be the case if we are using

incorrect

> > > > > > Ayanamsha. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > am not sure but vinayJi is quit sure. What are your

views?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RohiniJi, I definitely like to know your firm

stand.

> > > > > > So do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone, who is reading this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear VinayJi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have dedicated your life to these noble

cause. I

> > > > > > will be more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that happy if you be able to prove that our Shastras,

our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhantic calculation methods superior to some

false

> > > > > > European

> > > > > > > > > > > > > propagandas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can do is that I can test the charts

created

> > > > > > in your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > software and share my views.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you post a link for some of the chart

case

> > > > > > studies of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > some well known person which are based on calculations

> > > > > > made from your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > software?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VinayJi, it's insensitive when you say that I

have

> > > > > > no faith in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bphs. This is a wrong assumption which you are making.

> > > > > > Parashara is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father of jyotish. He is the beginning but not the

end.

> > > > > > Even I will not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be surprised, if other day someone comes and say that

he

> > > > > > has few

> > > > > > > > > > > > > undisclosed chapters of Bphs.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also it's also not fair to say that one should

limit

> > > > > > itself to one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > scripture. As a learner, I can't restrict my growth. I

> > > > > > also very well

> > > > > > > > > > > > > understand that still lot is hidden in bphs which is

hard

> > > > > > to understand.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even parashara has kept hidden some knowledge

which

> > > > > > might be used

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for wrong purpose.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Einstein has kept hidden some knowledge then

we

> > > > > > didn't have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > live in the shadow of fear from atomic bombs. But he

is

> > > > > > not parashara.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > His level is much beyond our anticipation.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VinayJi, I am not a representative of any

jyotish

> > > > > > guru whatsoever.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am free and own my own. I represent myself and no

one

> > > > > > else. Please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > don't misunderstand. I got nothing to do with any

jyotish

> > > > > > gurus. I am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > just tying to collect gems in heap of stones. If you

have

> > > > > > some gems then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be more then happy collect then from you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For analysis, please post links to the

predictive

> > > > > > results of some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > well known person which is base on SuryaSiddhanta

> > > > > > calculation methods.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hara Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology ,

> > > > > > " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arun,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See copy of my earlier response after the

> > > > > > following quote of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > your musings...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how you deduced from my response

> > > > > > that I am against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Rath's views!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I said as I have always. Thinkers and

> > > > > > analytical minds like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yours will ONLY be satisfied after they have tested

> > > > > > something themselves

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and would not easily be able to go with what someone

says,

> > > > > > no matter how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > accomplished!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is good to ask questions but then one must

stop

> > > > > > the inner

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chatter so that what others are saying sinks in ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR__,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun "

> > > > > > <aruninthecity@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or

in

> > > > > > navamsha

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart? (few days back I ask this question to Rohini

ji. It

> > > > > > seems that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [he] is against pt.Rath views)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Karak & #257; & #324; & #347; chart...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple -- Arun-In-The-City,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a few charts of individuals that you know

and

> > > > > > can go back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to confirm facts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- probably easier done in face-to-face

settings

> > > > > > than your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > internet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acquaintances (though not necessarily so!).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See if their experiences and expressions match

> > > > > > best with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kshetra varga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective or the navamsha varga experience!

Once

> > > > > > you have gone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > through that a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few times, you would not have to rely on and

have

> > > > > > to provide

> > > > > > > > > > > > > citations for which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient or modern Savant preferred this or

that

> > > > > > nuance or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate TRUTH!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until then, regardless of how many books,

> > > > > > articles, postings by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurujis etc get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written and re-written and yet again -- these

very

> > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shall continue to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The PERPETUAL PIPASHA which reminds me of a

> > > > > > western classical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > music piece:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PERPETUUM MOBILE! The MUSIC that never ENDS!

THAT

> > > > > > was not what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the chain of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rebirths was really all about...!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

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[Guest guest]

AHH -- " PAASHt " !

 

I think we should patent the term, Vinay_jee, before someone else does! :-)

<jest kidding!>

 

Good to hear that despite having seen the futile emptiness in the ways of the

samsaara, you still believe in horoscopes, PAST-time, grah-shaanti and KARMA!

 

Please do not take this as an insult, but you sound just like most of us

great-unwashed, also known as sansarik-pranis which Biology classifies in

Kingdom Animalia (Animals/Pashus).

 

Kind Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Yes,free will exists. Animals are " pashus " because they are bound with the

" paasha " of horoscopes (ie, results of past karmas which form Samskaara), but

humans possess Free-will in addition to horoscopes. We can add good or bad

karmas to the already existing list. If our present karmas are powerful enough,

they can change horoscopes. Grah-shaanti is one example of the fact that

horoscopes can be changed.

>

> -VJ

[Guest guest]

<<<

Good to hear that despite having seen the futile emptiness in the ways of the

samsaara, you still believe in horoscopes, PAST-time, grah-shaanti and KARMA!

>>>

 

Good to hear ??

 

I never performed any grah-shaanti either for myself or for others. Whenever

anyone asks me for grahshaanti, I show him/her the webpage of grahshaanti, and

if he insists me to perform it, I say why you should perform sins and I should

perform propitiation for you?

 

I make nine panchangas but I never consult any of them for my own Yaatraas or

other muhurtas, etc. It is because I do not care for the outcome. Most of the

time, I know the outcome beforehand.

 

Yet I perform Karma. The motions of Karma are obscure, as Gita says. Some Karmas

become Akarmas and some become Vikarmas. Most of the mortals do not see into it.

All Karmas do not produce Phalas. To live and act in the world is not

worldliness.

 

<<<you sound just like most of us great-unwashed...>>>

 

Most of our shaastras was composed by unworldly persons who worked for the

benefit of worldly peoples. Were they fools, like me?? Some worldly-wise people

think all sanyasis should go to go to forests. But your govts are enforcing

forest-encroachment acts which rule out Vaanaprastha.

 

-VJ

========================== ==

vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> AHH -- " PAASHt " !

>

> I think we should patent the term, Vinay_jee, before someone else does! :-)

<jest kidding!>

>

> Good to hear that despite having seen the futile emptiness in the ways of the

samsaara, you still believe in horoscopes, PAST-time, grah-shaanti and KARMA!

>

> Please do not take this as an insult, but you sound just like most of us

great-unwashed, also known as sansarik-pranis which Biology classifies in

Kingdom Animalia (Animals/Pashus).

>

> Kind Regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes,free will exists. Animals are " pashus " because they are bound with the

" paasha " of horoscopes (ie, results of past karmas which form Samskaara), but

humans possess Free-will in addition to horoscopes. We can add good or bad

karmas to the already existing list. If our present karmas are powerful enough,

they can change horoscopes. Grah-shaanti is one example of the fact that

horoscopes can be changed.

> >

> > -VJ

>