Guest guest Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Also a very interesting book by Hans Ten Daam published in the 80s, I think, entitled Reincarnation! It deals with this death to rebirth interval in a very interesting manner! It is not an astrology book, I caution you, though! Rohiniranjan vedic astrology , " chaudhuri.krishnendu " <krishnenduchdhr wrote: > > Dear Seshagiri Babu K.V > > You can find it in the book KARMA & REBIRTH IN HINDU ASTROLOGY by KN Rao.It is an excellent piece of work. > > vedic astrology , " Seshagiri Babu K.V. " <telugu_guy_gemini@> wrote: > > > > Hi Narasimha garu, > > Where can we read about the findings of KNRao Ji in this area? I am curious to find what the time interval between death and rebirth was. Is it same in all the cases? > > > > I hope that is not confidential information. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> > > JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; > > Sat, March 20, 2010 7:31:59 AM > > [JyotishWritings] Re: D-60 and rebirth? > > > >  > > Namaste Kiran ji, > > > > Of course, one cannot be sure that D-60 lagna is accurate in the rebirth examples given by Sri KN Rao in his book. So I did not assume them to be accurate. > > > > I took all the possible D-60 lagnas in a 15-minute window and considered all. Still, there wasn't any considerable match between any of those D-60's and previous life rasi charts, whether lagna or AL is taken as reference in D-60 (Sanjay ji originally taught lagna and switched to AL later). Hence I reject the notion that D-60 of current life is a blueprint of D-1 of previous life or that there is any significant similarity between the two. > > > > * * * > > > > Let me give an analogy related to destiny and free will. > > > > Man is like an animal. His destiny is like a rope that ties the animal to a tree. The animal can freely move within a small area around the tree, based on the length of the rope, but cannot go beyond that. One animal may be tied with a short rope (heavy karmas constraining one) and one animal may be tied with a long rope (light karmas constraining one). > > > > Horoscope throws light on the rope and surroundings of the animal. It does not show how the animal moves around in that small area and how it negotiates its surroundings. THAT is free will. > > > > In fact, destiny is the sum total of actions (karmas) performed by free will until birth. One adds newer karmas performed by free will during the course of one's life. That sum total decides the next life and gets reflected in the key charts of the next life. > > > > Thus, a key chart in the NEXT life (such as D-60) cannot be solely dependent on previous life's rasi chart or any chart. It has to be influenced by a mixture of last life's charts and karmas performed by free will in that life. > > > > * * * > > > > BTW, when I mentioned similarities between D-144 across lives, it was only w.r.t. planetary clusters. Lagna was not considered at all. There is no point in considering lagna. Some planetary clusters repeat in D-144 across lives, making me think D-144 holds some clues. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > ---- Kiran R <kiran.rama (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > Dear Narasimha ji, > > > > > > D-60 means ascendant can change every 0.5 degree which means 2 minutes. > > > > > > So even difference of seconds can cause change in lagna - > > > I think looking at D-60 becomes practically impossible and deriving results from it meets the same fate. > > > > > > Do you know of any book where D-1 interpretation is explained as a set of " rules " ? The closest book that I have seen is " Art and practice of ancient hindu astrology: nine intimate sessions between teacher & student " by James Braha > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > --- On Fri, 19/3/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> > > > [JyotishWritings] D-60 and rebirth? > > > vedic astrology, , JyotishWritings, jhora > > > Friday, 19 March, 2010, 8:08 AM > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > D-60 is an abstract/mathematic al chart and NOT a physical chart. Angle between Mercury and Venus can be anything. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > It is widely claimed that D-60 is a blueprint of previous birth. > > > > > > > > > > This is merely the claim of ONE school of Jyotish (SJC). This principle did not hold up in my studies. > > > > > > > > > > It is very easy to pass off any claims regarding past life, as they cannot really be verified. How to evaluate them then? > > > > > > > > > > Sri KN Rao did some interesting research in this area. There are some authentic cases of people who recollected their past life details. The stories they told were independently verified by researchers, i.e. indeed someone described by them lived and died in the place mentioned by them. In a few confirmed cases of rebirth, Sri KN Rao collected the previous life's birthdata, previous life's death data and current life's birthdata. A few examples are given in his book on " Rebirth " . Apart from giving valuable data, he also made a very interesting and astute observation on Vimsottari dasa continuity, i.e. links between mahadasa/antardasa at death and mahadasa/antardasa at rebirth. > > > > > > > > > > Given that that is the only authentic data we have regarding rebirth, any valid principles must satisfy them. When I perused that data and tried to see links between current life's D-60 chart and previous life's rasi chart, I could not find any significant links. Forget the idea of D-60 being a " blueprint " of last life's rasi chart, but there were not even any vague links. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > BTW, there were some interesting links I discovered in those examples, using Jagannatha ayanamsa and true nodes, between current life's D-144 and previous life's D-144 (no lagna, only planets considered). Some interesting planetary combinations get repeated in the two charts. D-144 is the D-12 (creation) of D-12 (creation). It seems to hold some keys to the secrets of the soul. > > > > > > > > > > There were a few interesting links I discovered, but I did not find any links between D-60 and rebirth. Also, there is no link between chara aatma karaka in the two charts as speculated by some. > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline: D-60 may not have any link to previous life's rasi chart. Especially, it may not be a " blueprint " of last life's rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > ---- sree ven <jyothishishya@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > For a native born on 11th January 1969@14:50pm@ 79E40 & 11N06 (Mayuram, Tamilnadu), > > > > > > while using Jhora (7.4 beta 2), I find Venus and Mercury separated by 113 degrees in D-60. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is widely claimed that D-60 is a blueprint of previous birth. How is it that these two planets show a separation of 113 degrees whereas astronomically, max elongation is (28+47=)75 degrees? I can understand this kind of separation in certain other divisions, but not in Rasi or D60. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pl. educate me by pointing out where I went wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 --- On Wed, 3/24/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr [JyotishWritings] Re: D-60 and rebirth? vedic astrology , , JyotishWritings Cc: jhora Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:34 PM  Namaste, Taking Saturn as lagna to see the reasons for present birth is logical. However, do not expect that chart to either match or have a strong correlation with the previous life's rasi chart. For example, you can test with the rebirth example chart data collected by Sri KN Rao. He collected the past life and current life charts of people who recollected past lives and their recollection was verified independently by confirming the specific details mentioned by them. In those charts, there is no link between current life rasi chart with Saturn as lagna and past life rasi chart. Past life chart shows the karmas one carried to earth in past life. The results of some of those karmas would've been experienced and some new karmas would've been added. Thus, karmas to be experienced in next life can be different. The modified karmas are shown in the next life chart. Do not expect a clear correlation between next life chart and previous life chart. Punya chakra or death chart is perhaps more important, as it can capture the karmas upto death. Moreover, shastras say the rebirth is decided by the final desire/thought. Punya chakra can have a blueprint of the final thought. Theoretically, new life's birth chart should be a function of both past life's birth chart and past life's death chart. BTW, please take further discussion to vedic astrology and stop this thread on jhora. Jhora is for software discussions. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - ---- Sun <theblisswithin@ > wrote: > Regarding this I would like to submit some hint that was givn by Great Astrolger H.N. Katwe. He had mentioned it in his book that Saturn's house in present natal chart should be taken as a lagna and from that he suggested to judge Karmas of Past life and the reason of the present birth. > > Dear Sh. Niranjan > Just to verify if I understood correctly, if someone has Saturn in Aries, and Mars in Taurus etc...Did you mean in the above case the lagna of the past life chart should be read as Aries in that case? And that Mars then will be in their second house and the rest of the planets will be accordingly changed? > > So for example if someone has already Saturn in Aries in lagna this life time. This chart itself is the same chart for the past life also? > > > Thanks > Shiv > > Extremely sorry for not able to provid you wiht the name of the book as I read it in some library and at that time I was in industrial field having no public relation through strology point of view. Ao I did not fine it necessary to record the name of the book. But from his suggesstion I tried to understand my own horoscop and to the extent of 50% it withstands. > > > > Nirnajan Sant > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr > > vedic astrology; ; JyotishWritings; jhora > > Fri, 19 March, 2010 8:08:28 AM > > D-60 and rebirth? > > > > Â > > Namaste, > > > > D-60 is an abstract/mathematic al chart and NOT a physical chart. Angle between Mercury and Venus can be anything. > > > > * * * > > > > > It is widely claimed that D-60 is a blueprint of previous birth. > > > > This is merely the claim of ONE school of Jyotish (SJC). This principle did not hold up in my studies. > > > > It is very easy to pass off any claims regarding past life, as they cannot really be verified. How to evaluate them then? > > > > Sri KN Rao did some interesting research in this area. There are some authentic cases of people who recollected their past life details. The stories they told were independently verified by researchers, i.e. indeed someone described by them lived and died in the place mentioned by them. In a few confirmed cases of rebirth, Sri KN Rao collected the previous life's birthdata, previous life's death data and current life's birthdata. A few examples are given in his book on " Rebirth " . Apart from giving valuable data, he also made a very interesting and astute observation on Vimsottari dasa continuity, i.e. links between mahadasa/antardasa at death and mahadasa/antardasa at rebirth. > > > > Given that that is the only authentic data we have regarding rebirth, any valid principles must satisfy them. When I perused that data and tried to see links between current life's D-60 chart and previous life's rasi chart, I could not find any significant links. Forget the idea of D-60 being a " blueprint " of last life's rasi chart, but there were not even any vague links. > > > > * * * > > > > BTW, there were some interesting links I discovered in those examples, using Jagannatha ayanamsa and true nodes, between current life's D-144 and previous life's D-144 (no lagna, only planets considered). Some interesting planetary combinations get repeated in the two charts. D-144 is the D-12 (creation) of D-12 (creation). It seems to hold some keys to the secrets of the soul. > > > > There were a few interesting links I discovered, but I did not find any links between D-60 and rebirth. Also, there is no link between chara aatma karaka in the two charts as speculated by some. > > > > Bottomline: D-60 may not have any link to previous life's rasi chart. Especially, it may not be a " blueprint " of last life's rasi chart. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > ---- sree ven <jyothishishya@ > wrote: > > > > > > Folks, > > > For a native born on 11th January 1969@14:50pm@ 79E40 & 11N06 (Mayuram, Tamilnadu), > > > while using Jhora (7.4 beta 2), I find Venus and Mercury separated by 113 degrees in D-60. > > > > > > It is widely claimed that D-60 is a blueprint of previous birth. How is it that these two planets show a separation of 113 degrees whereas astronomically, max elongation is (28+47=)75 degrees? I can understand this kind of separation in certain other divisions, but not in Rasi or D60. > > > > > > Pl. educate me by pointing out where I went wrong. > > > > > > Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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