Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 --- On Thu, 3/25/10, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub [uSBrahmins] ADVAITA HATERS viprasamhitha (AT) googl (DOT) com Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:40 AM  Dear all,  I have heard that there is no salvation for people who think they are different from God. And those who think that God is one who has a particular form and name like say, Krishna, Vishnu only are considered ignorant. The Supreme can not be limited to any particular name and form. It is the Supreme who thought " Ekoham Bahusyama " . " I am one, let me become many. " Creation started thereafter. It is the same Supreme being that becomes all beings. Those who can understand the Upanishads and Bhagawad Gita correctly, will realize the meaning of various scriptural declarations like--- 1.Sarvam Khalu idam Brahma( Chandogya Upanishad3-14- 1) " The entire Universe is Brahman " 2.Ekam  Sat Vipraah Bahuda vadanti (The one is spoken differently by realized persons) 3.Jiva is none other than  Brahman(Jivo Brahmaiva na aparah). 4.Brahman is non-different from Jiva 5.Release is possible only through knowledge of non-difference between jiva and Brahman. 6.The illumined soul,having become free from name and form, reaches the Self-effulgent Purusha,that is higher than the higher.(Tathaa vidwan namarupaat vimuktah paraat param purusham upaiti divyam.  Mundaka Upanishad 3-2-8) 7.Yato va imani bhutani jayante Yena jatani jivanti Yatprayanti abhisamvisanti   Tadvijijinaasavasva Tadbrahma( That from which all these beings take birth, that by which they live after being born, that towards which they move and into which they merge,that is Brahman. Taittireeya Upanishad 3-1-1).i P 8. Sadeva somya idamagra aaseet.Ekameva adviteeyam Tattejo srujata(Chandogya Upanishad 6-2-1 and 3) (In the beginning, my dear, this was Being alone, one only without a second. it created fire.) 9.Atma va idameka evaagra aaseet . Sa imaanlokaanasrajata (Aitareya Upanishad 1-1-1 & 2). " In the beginning this was but the Absolute Self alone. He created these worlds " 10. Aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate. iti matvaa bhajante maam budhaa bhaavasamanavitaah (Gita 10.8) " I am the origin of all; from me things evolve. The wise know this and worship Me( not Vasudeav Krishna) with all their heart " . 11.Mamaivaamso Jeevaloke Jeevabhtassanatanah Manasshashtaaneendr iyaani Prakritisthaani Karshati( Gita 15.7) (A ray of Myself, the eternal Jiva in the world of  jivas, attracts the senses...... ..... " . Any number of extracts from Upanishads and  Bhagawad Gita in this regard can be quoted. Only those who can understand them in the correct way will be able to see the Truth. (G.Balasubramanian) Prasad Chitta <prasad.chitta@ gmail.com> narendra sastry <narendra.sastry@ gmail.com> Cc: dr.praveen kumar <drpraveenks@ gmail.com>; G Balasubramanian <gbsub (AT) (DOT) com>; RAVI CHANDRASEKHARA <vadhula (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Shivaswamy T.C <tc.shivaswamy@ gmail.com>; Sarma KV <sarmakv (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; DrBharadwaj <drdbharadwaj@ gmail.com>; Kannan Srinivas <vedicmanagement@ gmail.com> Thu, March 25, 2010 12:50:14 AM Re: advaita haters Dear Dr. Praveen Kumar and All, " Advaita " is neutral for its LOVERS and HATERS as it is beyond all the duality of love and hate. The ultimate truth named as " BRAHMA " in Upanishads is not an object for someones approval or someone else's rejection. The Vedanta Sutras start with " athato BRAHMA jignasa " Bhagavan Baadarayana if he wanted to tell it is the enquiry into vishnu, siva, sakti etc., he should have told athato vishnu jignaasa etc., so, let us keep the vedanta as vedanta and not equate the word BRAHMA with something else. Also, vedanta uses the word " ATMA " in synonyms to the word BRAHMA. In most cases, the word ATMA is used to mean BRAHMA. There are several instances shruti teaches that ATMA is BRAHMA. There is no instance shruti directly teaches ATMA is NOT BRAHMA. All the confusion comes from the ISWARA (SAGUNA BRAHMA) who appears as the triad of a. ISWARA (sattva guna or controlling and harmonizing feature) b. jeeva (rajo guna of active/enjoyer nature) c. jagat (tamo guna of inert and inactive or unconscious nature) jeeva and jagat are ever controlled and sustained by the Iswara. So, when there is no differentiation of the whole of jeeva+jagat+ iswara it is called BRAHMA. When the GUNAS (qualities, attributes, or judgements) are superimposed on the BRAHMA it is called ISWARA (representing the pure sattva) or called saguna Brahma (= iswara+jeeva+ jagat). As the " rajoguna " of jeeva is not fully subsided, the jeeva continue to see the differentiation. .. so, dvaita is a correct philosophy as long as the true NATURE of BRAHMAN is not understood and BRAHMAN is only equated to ISWARA keeping the JAGAT and JEEVA seperate and dependent on the ISWARA. This iswara is given a supreme name as Vishnu, Krishna, Siva, Sakti, Devi etc., ADVAITA is not against this personification. ADVAITA is all inclusive and accepts whatever personification a devotee prefers, they are free to choose the ISWARA naama and roopa that best suits themselves. But when JEEVA is completely purified and the TRUE NATURE OF BRAHMAN is realized the WHOLE is experienced as a WHOLE and no differentiation is such an ABSOLUTE WHOLE is possible. Such a Jnani concludes " vasudeva sarvam iti " all this is verily vasudeva (vasati sarvam iti vasu, sah deva vasudeva) and surrenders unconditionally and completely to the supreme lord who dwells within and who is beyond all the dualities and differentiation. बहूनां जनà¥à¤®à¤¨à¤¾à¤®à¤¨à¥à¤¤à¥‡ जà¥à¤žà¤¾à¤¨à¤µà¤¾à¤¨à¥à¤®à¤¾à¤‚ पà¥à¤°à¤ªà¤¦à¥à¤¯à¤¤à¥‡à¥¤ वासà¥à¤¦à¥‡à¤µà¤ƒ सरà¥à¤µà¤®à¤¿à¤¤à¤¿ स महातà¥à¤®à¤¾ सà¥à¤¦à¥à¤°à¥à¤²à¤à¤ƒà¥¤à¥¤7.19।। om tat sat. Note: This is my humble opinion that was arrived after studying the scriptures for few years. My understanding need not be approved by scholars of various schools. It is purely my understanding and serves its purpose! On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:36 AM, narendra sastry <narendra.sastry@ gmail.com> wrote: what is all about Praveen? as i have no time nor interest to read these long lasting theory on a person... yes you are right, Dvaita finds its existence ONLY by opposing advaitha, if not , it has nothing much to get attraction i have a story here to share with which some of you might have known once a king wanted to have brahmagnaana, so he approached guru, while his visit, guru was having his head shaved by a barber, king started conversing with guru and requested him to teach him brahmagnaana as he has studied vedantha for 10 years, which has made him to realize about brahman, which as can NOT be same as his athma, so he was unsure about it listening to these words guru just shook his head, after completion of his shave, he stood up and started prostrating to barber saying YOU ARE BRAHMAN,, YOU ARE GOD, with this unusual behavior barber stunned and said, NO NO I AM NOT BRAHMAN NOR GOD so guru laughed and said king, look your 10 years of study to know you are NOT god , is also known this barber who have not studied any thing king realized his mistake told guru that he will be learning under him to realize his true SELF so lets not bother on dvaithis, let them talk and argue please be advised, for any philosophy, these three things are primary shruthi, yukthi and anubhava.... .rest remaining is just a game on jugglery of words which is of NO use OM TAT SATH Naren On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:05 AM, dr.praveen kumar <drpraveenks@ gmail.com> wrote: Dvaita philosophy unfortunately thrives by trying to critic advaita all the time. Here is an example circulated by one of the member Not for group posting please http://www.sumadhwa seva.com/ wp-content/ uploads/2009/ 03/sathyadhyana- thirtha.pdf -- Praveen Kaudlay -- Thanks & Regards ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- Prasad Chitta http://www.google. com/profiles/ prasad.chitta ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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