Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear learned members, After lot of tumbles; I finally produce this table for your review. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2376/33865262.jpg I have seen all are keeping moon and venus together in jala tattva. Role of moon is completely different. We should understand this. Same way all are keep Sun and mars together in Agni tattva. This is also wrong. Sun and moon does have predominance of agni and jala tattwa resp; but their role is completely different. This is what Lord Krishna says in Bagawad Gita, “My existence is eight fold like earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intellect and egoâ€. This table is shows, what he exactly means. *************** Initially I have doubts that Rahu depicts the role of Vishnu, because of the fact that rahu is lord of 11th house and thus gives results of our good and bad karma. But after lot of thoughts; I finally realize that it would not be correct. Rahu should depict the role of lord Shiva. The above table also dictates that Rahu is karaka of Atma; Contrary to the belief of Sun to be the karaka of Atma. If Sun is the karaka of Atma then what role does Rahu adopts; is it of father or mother. I seriously don’t thinks so! *********** Regarding mapping of Karmendriya and Jnanendriya to Bhutas; I find many different versions all over the net. All are different. After lot of thought process this it what I think is correct. If there are objections then i can discuss, why I came to this conclusion. ************ And yes finally the most interesting part; 8 char karaka. I find no reason to remove Pitar Karaka, for the list of char Karaka. I also find no reason to remove Rahu which is char atma karaka. So Char Karaka are always eight. Having said that; this is what I must say; Why days of week only 7? Why Rahu didn’t find a place in Days of the week? Some move Rahu into Wednesday, some moves it into Saturday. Why are their only “Seven Surâ€? Sa, Re, Ga, Ma, Pa, Dha, Ne…….why? Why do rainbow have Seven colors? Even some says there are 7 main Chakras; while some says they are 8. Is it because Seven is related to “Divine perfectionâ€â€¦â€¦ Whoever, if we goes by above table then; Their Must be 8 Char Karaka. ******** There is lot more hidden, which is to be discovered… Hare Rama Krishna, Arun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Rahu is ego and is cause of creation. Aim of any spiritual sadhana is to reduce ego and realize that once true origins. The one who is the cause of creation; can't be look down with such humiliated way. Rahu is the cause of illusion, delusions, maya. Strong rahu can create such powerful illusions around native that people might think that nativity is kingly and out of the world. Week rahu will literally convert a king to a pauper. Rahu is the cause of maya; it is the karaka of arudha lagana. Some says chandra is the karaka of arudh lagana, who can it be possible? Guru rahu yoga will give extraordinary knowledge, but all is materialistic, nothing spiritual, pure, pious in it. With any of the panch bhutas, rahu amplifies all materialistic aspects. Therefore he is actually performing the role assigned to him in holy divine creation. Without rahu, everyone seek enlightenment and attains mokesha... Why creation exists, is their reason... scholars says that all those sole who wants to live freely from krishna are the cause of creation. Sole goes through process to life and death, pain and torturer and finally realize that their will to live freely from Krishna is baseless, then these sole attempts to attains lotus feet’s of the form which they evolve. Rahu is the gatekeeper, divine guard deciding who belongs where? Thus, the only question which is we need to answer is that do we fulfill the task assigned to our sole by almighty. If we had we are allowed to enter his divine wisdom. Its ignorance to call the divine protector as “Chandalâ€. All are not allowed to enter the divine wisdom. All don’t deserve it. All are not qualified enough for it. Only rare are qualified; Even to those rahu give his “prolobhanâ€, that sacred sole your service are much appreciated in materialistic world, kindly stay here for a while longer and grace these poor sole with your divine strength. Out of those few, many falls into these traps and come back to materialistic world as kings, diplomats, gurus, etc, etc. Rahu give them everything in so much abundance, they again fall into its traps of maya and get them eventually turned from king to pauper. All those who are ruling the world with there power and wealth are those sacred soles who decided to come back due to the “prolobhan†given by Rahu. Not to blame rahu, he is doing his duty very sincerely. If he allows all sacred soles to pass through, nothing is left in this materialistic world, who can bring order to it. Same way from time to time he bring scarcest demos from the realm of hell to create destruction and chaos in the materialistic world. Rahu is the greatest of all jyotishes. Rahu is the greatest of all judges. Rahu is taamas bhola; easiest to please, impossible to attain. Rahu is taamas Shiva himself personified. Shiva is “shavâ€, state of the body after its death. Nothing is left but ego. If one has read something about mahavidyas, then only one understand why shiva is state of the body after its death. “vish†is the state of body with its sole in it. “brahma†is the state of the body before its birth. Initially there is nothing but brahma. Brahma divides itself into two parts, this state is known as Vishnu. Vishnu divides itself into three parts, this state is known as shiva. Shiva has all three gunas, sattwa, rajas and tamas. Sattwa lies in the mooldhara of shiv in form of brahma in form of Shiv lingum Rajas lies in the vishudhi in form of Vishnu in form of sheer sagar, in from of “vishâ€. Tamas lies in agyan charka in form of Rahu/ketu, in form of Shiv/shakti, in form of Maheshwera/ Mahavidyas. Brahma divides itself into “vish†and “amritâ€. “vish†in forms of Vishnu resides in the vishudhi charka of lord shiva. “amrit†in form of Brahma resides in all devtas. Shiva is taams+ brahma and Vishnu. Vishnu is division of brahma into vish and amrit, into truth and false, into positive and negative, into day and night…….. Brahma is everything, unmanifested, ultimate truth, ultimate reality. Hare Rama Krishna. Arun vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity wrote: > > Dear learned members, > > After lot of tumbles; I finally produce this table for your review. > http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2376/33865262.jpg > > I have seen all are keeping moon and venus together in jala tattva. Role of moon is completely different. We should understand this. > > Same way all are keep Sun and mars together in Agni tattva. This is also wrong. > > Sun and moon does have predominance of agni and jala tattwa resp; but their role is completely different. > > This is what Lord Krishna says in Bagawad Gita, > “My existence is eight fold like earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intellect and egoâ€. > > This table is shows, what he exactly means. > > *************** > Initially I have doubts that Rahu depicts the role of Vishnu, because of the fact that rahu is lord of 11th house and thus gives results of our good and bad karma. > > But after lot of thoughts; I finally realize that it would not be correct. Rahu should depict the role of lord Shiva. > > The above table also dictates that Rahu is karaka of Atma; Contrary to the belief of Sun to be the karaka of Atma. > > If Sun is the karaka of Atma then what role does Rahu adopts; is it of father or mother. I seriously don’t thinks so! > > *********** > Regarding mapping of Karmendriya and Jnanendriya to Bhutas; I find many different versions all over the net. All are different. > > After lot of thought process this it what I think is correct. If there are objections then i can discuss, why I came to this conclusion. > > ************ > And yes finally the most interesting part; 8 char karaka. > > I find no reason to remove Pitar Karaka, for the list of char Karaka. > I also find no reason to remove Rahu which is char atma karaka. > > So Char Karaka are always eight. > > Having said that; this is what I must say; > > Why days of week only 7? Why Rahu didn’t find a place in Days of the week? > Some move Rahu into Wednesday, some moves it into Saturday. > > Why are their only “Seven Surâ€? Sa, Re, Ga, Ma, Pa, Dha, Ne…….why? > Why do rainbow have Seven colors? > Even some says there are 7 main Chakras; while some says they are 8. > > Is it because Seven is related to “Divine perfectionâ€â€¦â€¦ > > Whoever, if we goes by above table then; > Their Must be 8 Char Karaka. > > ******** > > There is lot more hidden, which is to be discovered… > > Hare Rama Krishna, > Arun. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Hi " Arun " , Several months ago, " Sun " used to represent ego! Then someone got fed up of a person with mars close to lagnesha or lagna and stated that MARS is EGO and of course Jupiter has always been the easy target for EGO and VENUS too when it becomes vain (Ego of film actresses) and mercury and the rest of the nine yards! Ego -- as in sensitivity and vulnerability is not this or that or that planet! It is about the " chink in the armour " as some of us read in school! First figure out the " armour " in a horoscope! Then look for the 'chink' in it in the very same horoscope!! You have found what you were looking for ;-) Elementary, Dear Watson! Rohiniranjan vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity wrote: > > > > Rahu is ego and is cause of creation. Aim of any spiritual sadhana is to reduce ego and realize that once true origins. > > The one who is the cause of creation; can't be look down with such humiliated way. > > Rahu is the cause of illusion, delusions, maya. Strong rahu can create such powerful illusions around native that people might think that nativity is kingly and out of the world. > > Week rahu will literally convert a king to a pauper. Rahu is the cause of maya; it is the karaka of arudha lagana. > > Some says chandra is the karaka of arudh lagana, who can it be possible? > > Guru rahu yoga will give extraordinary knowledge, but all is materialistic, nothing spiritual, pure, pious in it. > > With any of the panch bhutas, rahu amplifies all materialistic aspects. Therefore he is actually performing the role assigned to him in holy divine creation. > > Without rahu, everyone seek enlightenment and attains mokesha... > > Why creation exists, is their reason... scholars says that all those sole who wants to live freely from krishna are the cause of creation. > > Sole goes through process to life and death, pain and torturer and finally realize that their will to live freely from Krishna is baseless, then these sole attempts to attains lotus feet’s of the form which they evolve. > > Rahu is the gatekeeper, divine guard deciding who belongs where? > > Thus, the only question which is we need to answer is that do we fulfill the task assigned to our sole by almighty. > > If we had we are allowed to enter his divine wisdom. > > Its ignorance to call the divine protector as “Chandalâ€. > > > All are not allowed to enter the divine wisdom. All don’t deserve it. All are not qualified enough for it. > > Only rare are qualified; Even to those rahu give his “prolobhanâ€, that sacred sole your service are much appreciated in materialistic world, kindly stay here for a while longer and grace these poor sole with your divine strength. > > Out of those few, many falls into these traps and come back to materialistic world as kings, diplomats, gurus, etc, etc. > > Rahu give them everything in so much abundance, they again fall into its traps of maya and get them eventually turned from king to pauper. > > All those who are ruling the world with there power and wealth are those sacred soles who decided to come back due to the “prolobhan†given by Rahu. > > Not to blame rahu, he is doing his duty very sincerely. If he allows all sacred soles to pass through, nothing is left in this materialistic world, who can bring order to it. > > Same way from time to time he bring scarcest demos from the realm of hell to create destruction and chaos in the materialistic world. > > Rahu is the greatest of all jyotishes. > Rahu is the greatest of all judges. > > Rahu is taamas bhola; easiest to please, impossible to attain. > Rahu is taamas Shiva himself personified. > > Shiva is “shavâ€, state of the body after its death. Nothing is left but ego. If one has read something about mahavidyas, then only one understand why shiva is state of the body after its death. > “vish†is the state of body with its sole in it. > “brahma†is the state of the body before its birth. > > Initially there is nothing but brahma. > Brahma divides itself into two parts, this state is known as Vishnu. > Vishnu divides itself into three parts, this state is known as shiva. > > Shiva has all three gunas, sattwa, rajas and tamas. > Sattwa lies in the mooldhara of shiv in form of brahma in form of Shiv lingum > Rajas lies in the vishudhi in form of Vishnu in form of sheer sagar, in from of “vishâ€. > Tamas lies in agyan charka in form of Rahu/ketu, in form of Shiv/shakti, in form of Maheshwera/ Mahavidyas. > > Brahma divides itself into “vish†and “amritâ€. > > “vish†in forms of Vishnu resides in the vishudhi charka of lord shiva. > “amrit†in form of Brahma resides in all devtas. > > > Shiva is taams+ brahma and Vishnu. > Vishnu is division of brahma into vish and amrit, into truth and false, into positive and negative, into day and night…….. > Brahma is everything, unmanifested, ultimate truth, ultimate reality. > > > Hare Rama Krishna. > Arun > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote: > > > > Dear learned members, > > > > After lot of tumbles; I finally produce this table for your review. > > http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2376/33865262.jpg > > > > I have seen all are keeping moon and venus together in jala tattva. Role of moon is completely different. We should understand this. > > > > Same way all are keep Sun and mars together in Agni tattva. This is also wrong. > > > > Sun and moon does have predominance of agni and jala tattwa resp; but their role is completely different. > > > > This is what Lord Krishna says in Bagawad Gita, > > “My existence is eight fold like earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intellect and egoâ€. > > > > This table is shows, what he exactly means. > > > > *************** > > Initially I have doubts that Rahu depicts the role of Vishnu, because of the fact that rahu is lord of 11th house and thus gives results of our good and bad karma. > > > > But after lot of thoughts; I finally realize that it would not be correct. Rahu should depict the role of lord Shiva. > > > > The above table also dictates that Rahu is karaka of Atma; Contrary to the belief of Sun to be the karaka of Atma. > > > > If Sun is the karaka of Atma then what role does Rahu adopts; is it of father or mother. I seriously don’t thinks so! > > > > *********** > > Regarding mapping of Karmendriya and Jnanendriya to Bhutas; I find many different versions all over the net. All are different. > > > > After lot of thought process this it what I think is correct. If there are objections then i can discuss, why I came to this conclusion. > > > > ************ > > And yes finally the most interesting part; 8 char karaka. > > > > I find no reason to remove Pitar Karaka, for the list of char Karaka. > > I also find no reason to remove Rahu which is char atma karaka. > > > > So Char Karaka are always eight. > > > > Having said that; this is what I must say; > > > > Why days of week only 7? Why Rahu didn’t find a place in Days of the week? > > Some move Rahu into Wednesday, some moves it into Saturday. > > > > Why are their only “Seven Surâ€? Sa, Re, Ga, Ma, Pa, Dha, Ne…….why? > > Why do rainbow have Seven colors? > > Even some says there are 7 main Chakras; while some says they are 8. > > > > Is it because Seven is related to “Divine perfectionâ€â€¦â€¦ > > > > Whoever, if we goes by above table then; > > Their Must be 8 Char Karaka. > > > > ******** > > > > There is lot more hidden, which is to be discovered… > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > Arun. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Rohini Da, I didn’t find a reason why to keep “moon and venus†together and why to keep “sun and mars†together. But this is what people are following since ages. Nobody ever raise such a question. I don’t know why? Please tell me, is’t their role in jyotish or in “divine creation†is quite clearly separated from panch bhutas? Da, lord Krishna has clearly point out Ego. Now it’s up to us to understand what he exactly means. As far as my limited understanding goes; I produce in front of you. If you think that it’s not correct then kindly does the corrections. “Tamasâ€, is mystery in itself. If one understands it, then one understands shiva. Right now people don’t have good views about this word. Kindly give your views about my understanding of this word. “Tamas†is the necessary rigidity, stiffness which keep energy in form of matter, as tamas is increased huge astronomical bodies take shape and structure. Tamas is something which keeps people together. It forms organizations, states, countries. It gives shape and size to the world. As Tamas is decreased people move away from each other. Counties break ups, organizations grew smaller and smaller. Tamas is what keep the sole into bodies, as it decrease sole leaves the body and what is left is tamas. What is left is “Shavâ€. As tamas is decrease, earthquakes, volcano eruptions, tsunami etc will occur. Every graha, sun, moon, mars, Jupiter all and everything exists because all have tamas in them. Why Jupiter is in gaseous state and not solid? very less " tamas " is the reason...perhaps. Main Point is to find out the source of " Tamas " , its quite clearly Shiva. And Rahu infact fulfill all criteria to justify this personification. If not then what else? Hope this justifies my point… “Musala yoga - One born in this Yoga is proud, learned, wealthy, liked by ruler, famous, of stable nature, and blessed with several sons. He/she is trustworthy, has stability and durability, is fixed and determined. However, the person might be obstinant, inable to take quick decisions and might have difficulty adapting to change.†Da, there is so much left undiscovered. I am just trying, kindly point out the flaws. Hare Rama Krishna, Regards, Arun. vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Hi " Arun " , > > Several months ago, " Sun " used to represent ego! Then someone got fed up of a person with mars close to lagnesha or lagna and stated that MARS is EGO and of course Jupiter has always been the easy target for EGO and VENUS too when it becomes vain (Ego of film actresses) and mercury and the rest of the nine yards! > > Ego -- as in sensitivity and vulnerability is not this or that or that planet! It is about the " chink in the armour " as some of us read in school! > > First figure out the " armour " in a horoscope! > Then look for the 'chink' in it in the very same horoscope!! > You have found what you were looking for ;-) > > Elementary, Dear Watson! > > Rohiniranjan > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rahu is ego and is cause of creation. Aim of any spiritual sadhana is to reduce ego and realize that once true origins. > > > > The one who is the cause of creation; can't be look down with such humiliated way. > > > > Rahu is the cause of illusion, delusions, maya. Strong rahu can create such powerful illusions around native that people might think that nativity is kingly and out of the world. > > > > Week rahu will literally convert a king to a pauper. Rahu is the cause of maya; it is the karaka of arudha lagana. > > > > Some says chandra is the karaka of arudh lagana, who can it be possible? > > > > Guru rahu yoga will give extraordinary knowledge, but all is materialistic, nothing spiritual, pure, pious in it. > > > > With any of the panch bhutas, rahu amplifies all materialistic aspects. Therefore he is actually performing the role assigned to him in holy divine creation. > > > > Without rahu, everyone seek enlightenment and attains mokesha... > > > > Why creation exists, is their reason... scholars says that all those sole who wants to live freely from krishna are the cause of creation. > > > > Sole goes through process to life and death, pain and torturer and finally realize that their will to live freely from Krishna is baseless, then these sole attempts to attains lotus feet’s of the form which they evolve. > > > > Rahu is the gatekeeper, divine guard deciding who belongs where? > > > > Thus, the only question which is we need to answer is that do we fulfill the task assigned to our sole by almighty. > > > > If we had we are allowed to enter his divine wisdom. > > > > Its ignorance to call the divine protector as “Chandalâ€. > > > > > > All are not allowed to enter the divine wisdom. All don’t deserve it. All are not qualified enough for it. > > > > Only rare are qualified; Even to those rahu give his “prolobhanâ€, that sacred sole your service are much appreciated in materialistic world, kindly stay here for a while longer and grace these poor sole with your divine strength. > > > > Out of those few, many falls into these traps and come back to materialistic world as kings, diplomats, gurus, etc, etc. > > > > Rahu give them everything in so much abundance, they again fall into its traps of maya and get them eventually turned from king to pauper. > > > > All those who are ruling the world with there power and wealth are those sacred soles who decided to come back due to the “prolobhan†given by Rahu. > > > > Not to blame rahu, he is doing his duty very sincerely. If he allows all sacred soles to pass through, nothing is left in this materialistic world, who can bring order to it. > > > > Same way from time to time he bring scarcest demos from the realm of hell to create destruction and chaos in the materialistic world. > > > > Rahu is the greatest of all jyotishes. > > Rahu is the greatest of all judges. > > > > Rahu is taamas bhola; easiest to please, impossible to attain. > > Rahu is taamas Shiva himself personified. > > > > Shiva is “shavâ€, state of the body after its death. Nothing is left but ego. If one has read something about mahavidyas, then only one understand why shiva is state of the body after its death. > > “vish†is the state of body with its sole in it. > > “brahma†is the state of the body before its birth. > > > > Initially there is nothing but brahma. > > Brahma divides itself into two parts, this state is known as Vishnu. > > Vishnu divides itself into three parts, this state is known as shiva. > > > > Shiva has all three gunas, sattwa, rajas and tamas. > > Sattwa lies in the mooldhara of shiv in form of brahma in form of Shiv lingum > > Rajas lies in the vishudhi in form of Vishnu in form of sheer sagar, in from of “vishâ€. > > Tamas lies in agyan charka in form of Rahu/ketu, in form of Shiv/shakti, in form of Maheshwera/ Mahavidyas. > > > > Brahma divides itself into “vish†and “amritâ€. > > > > “vish†in forms of Vishnu resides in the vishudhi charka of lord shiva. > > “amrit†in form of Brahma resides in all devtas. > > > > > > Shiva is taams+ brahma and Vishnu. > > Vishnu is division of brahma into vish and amrit, into truth and false, into positive and negative, into day and night…….. > > Brahma is everything, unmanifested, ultimate truth, ultimate reality. > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna. > > Arun > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear learned members, > > > > > > After lot of tumbles; I finally produce this table for your review. > > > http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2376/33865262.jpg > > > > > > I have seen all are keeping moon and venus together in jala tattva. Role of moon is completely different. We should understand this. > > > > > > Same way all are keep Sun and mars together in Agni tattva. This is also wrong. > > > > > > Sun and moon does have predominance of agni and jala tattwa resp; but their role is completely different. > > > > > > This is what Lord Krishna says in Bagawad Gita, > > > “My existence is eight fold like earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intellect and egoâ€. > > > > > > This table is shows, what he exactly means. > > > > > > *************** > > > Initially I have doubts that Rahu depicts the role of Vishnu, because of the fact that rahu is lord of 11th house and thus gives results of our good and bad karma. > > > > > > But after lot of thoughts; I finally realize that it would not be correct. Rahu should depict the role of lord Shiva. > > > > > > The above table also dictates that Rahu is karaka of Atma; Contrary to the belief of Sun to be the karaka of Atma. > > > > > > If Sun is the karaka of Atma then what role does Rahu adopts; is it of father or mother. I seriously don’t thinks so! > > > > > > *********** > > > Regarding mapping of Karmendriya and Jnanendriya to Bhutas; I find many different versions all over the net. All are different. > > > > > > After lot of thought process this it what I think is correct. If there are objections then i can discuss, why I came to this conclusion. > > > > > > ************ > > > And yes finally the most interesting part; 8 char karaka. > > > > > > I find no reason to remove Pitar Karaka, for the list of char Karaka. > > > I also find no reason to remove Rahu which is char atma karaka. > > > > > > So Char Karaka are always eight. > > > > > > Having said that; this is what I must say; > > > > > > Why days of week only 7? Why Rahu didn’t find a place in Days of the week? > > > Some move Rahu into Wednesday, some moves it into Saturday. > > > > > > Why are their only “Seven Surâ€? Sa, Re, Ga, Ma, Pa, Dha, Ne…….why? > > > Why do rainbow have Seven colors? > > > Even some says there are 7 main Chakras; while some says they are 8. > > > > > > Is it because Seven is related to “Divine perfectionâ€â€¦â€¦ > > > > > > Whoever, if we goes by above table then; > > > Their Must be 8 Char Karaka. > > > > > > ******** > > > > > > There is lot more hidden, which is to be discovered… > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > Arun. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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