Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Dear Moderator,  Utkal Mishra and Rajarshi Nandy are sending mails from same IP.  It is clearly fake id and he has shared no astrology only attack, attack and attack.I was not understanding why you were allowing his messages over here. It is better late than never.  Members kindly look at the following messages :-  ********************************************************************************\ * That mail to Ramdev was written when Ramdev made some derogatory comments about jyotish in an interview with BBC. So I guess the people who find the mail offensive, agree with Ramdev's comments? In that case, what are they doing in jyotish forums? Weird!  # 26584  Forget commenting on others. first learn some basics yourself as your following predictions are too vague. Ramdev said astrology is fake in interview, so you agree to that? If so then what are you doing in this forum? Get a life.  # 26585 ********************************************************************************\ *  Both above messages came just came in queue one after the other on the same theme.  And see following messages, those are also on sam theme :-  ********************************************************************************\ * Keep chanting that more, it may eventually help you to reduce your ego -  # 26013  Ego ego and more ego... all siddhis/visions/abcd are useless if ego is not reduced.....  # 26698 ********************************************************************************\ *  I dont understand, is this way to protect Narashimha ?, make id and abuse one person.  Moderator i am also copying this mail to many members in BCC apart of sending to group as i know it will take time to get approval and appear on the group.  ~ Pawan Maurya --- On Sat, 17/4/10, jyotishi <raj wrote: jyotishi <raj Re: Ishtadevatha Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 3:57 PM  Last warning. No more personal attacks or be banned for ever! raj rao Moderator , Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkal@ ...> wrote: > > > Another set of unsubstantiated tall claims  by someone whose knowledge and probably mental balance is highly questionable. .  and advising others which is even more funny.. >  > Utkal >  >  > --- On Sat, 17/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > Re: Ishtadevatha > > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 4:29 AM > > >  > > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > jyotish. > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > Publication' s Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > with what's happening ? > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > - Mihira. > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > Ishta Devta. > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > others. > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > Hope it helps... !! > > , Ramdas Hosabettu > <kashyapagotraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Listed members, > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > be > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > aspects/conjunction s and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > 5th > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > Lord, > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > neutral,then > > no results at all either good or bad. > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > in > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > Rashi > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > of > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > With Regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > Parasara. > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > worshipping a > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > are > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > also. > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > also be > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > planets > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > deity. By > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > from > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > or > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > extension and > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > the 12th > > > from AK. > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > kaama and > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > artha and > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > process, moksha > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > work with > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > completely > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > not the > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > native > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com>, > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > Libra > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > consider > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > strength ? > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com> > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > Parasara. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > 12H from > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Dear (est) Pawan Maurya,  I could have refuted the following mail, but, on second thoughts, if believing the following makes you happy and gives you a good night's sleep, so be it. I really would not waste my time answering you in details.  However one point needs to be clarified from my perspective. Narasimha, as far as I have seen, is the last person who needs any kind of help to defend himself. For the opponents who are worthy, he answers back with clear and precise logic, and for the rest, he leaves them alone because mostly they lack class and given enough time they would end up shooting themsleves in their own foot!  So be happy!  Bye  -Regards  Rajarshi --- On Sun, 18/4/10, Astro Talk <astro.talk wrote: Astro Talk <astro.talk [vedic astrology] Rajarshi Nandy Exposed vedic astrology Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 3:42 AM  Dear Moderator,  Utkal Mishra and Rajarshi Nandy are sending mails from same IP.  It is clearly fake id and he has shared no astrology only attack, attack and attack.I was not understanding why you were allowing his messages over here. It is better late than never.  Members kindly look at the following messages :-  ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****** That mail to Ramdev was written when Ramdev made some derogatory comments about jyotish in an interview with BBC. So I guess the people who find the mail offensive, agree with Ramdev's comments? In that case, what are they doing in jyotish forums? Weird!  # 26584  Forget commenting on others. first learn some basics yourself as your following predictions are too vague. Ramdev said astrology is fake in interview, so you agree to that? If so then what are you doing in this forum? Get a life.  # 26585 ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ******  Both above messages came just came in queue one after the other on the same theme.  And see following messages, those are also on sam theme :-  ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****** Keep chanting that more, it may eventually help you to reduce your ego -  # 26013  Ego ego and more ego... all siddhis/visions/ abcd are useless if ego is not reduced.....  # 26698 ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ******  I dont understand, is this way to protect Narashimha ?, make id and abuse one person.  Moderator i am also copying this mail to many members in BCC apart of sending to group as i know it will take time to get approval and appear on the group.  ~ Pawan Maurya --- On Sat, 17/4/10, jyotishi <raj (AT) jyotishi (DOT) org> wrote: jyotishi <raj (AT) jyotishi (DOT) org> Re: Ishtadevatha Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 3:57 PM  Last warning. No more personal attacks or be banned for ever! raj rao Moderator , Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkal@ ...> wrote: > > > Another set of unsubstantiated tall claims  by someone whose knowledge and probably mental balance is highly questionable. .  and advising others which is even more funny.. >  > Utkal >  >  > --- On Sat, 17/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > Re: Ishtadevatha > > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 4:29 AM > > >  > > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > jyotish. > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > Publication' s Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > with what's happening ? > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > - Mihira. > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > Ishta Devta. > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > others. > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > Hope it helps... !! > > , Ramdas Hosabettu > <kashyapagotraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Listed members, > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > be > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > aspects/conjunction s and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > 5th > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > Lord, > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > neutral,then > > no results at all either good or bad. > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > in > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > Rashi > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > of > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > With Regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > Parasara. > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > worshipping a > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > are > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > also. > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > also be > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > planets > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > deity. By > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > from > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > or > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > extension and > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > the 12th > > > from AK. > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > kaama and > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > artha and > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > process, moksha > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > work with > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > completely > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > not the > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > native > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com>, > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > Libra > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > consider > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > strength ? > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com> > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > Parasara. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > 12H from > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010  Dear Pawan,  Oh and I forgot to add, he he, apart from the fact that an IP address does not prove much, I got a one word answer for you, YaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaWN! -  - Regards  Rajarshi   --- On Mon, 19/4/10, astro.talk <astro.talk wrote: astro.talk <astro.talk [vedic astrology] Rajarshi Nandy Exposed vedic astrology Monday, 19 April, 2010, 11:53 PM  I forgot to mention from where email was being sent from both ids by Rajarshi Nandy:- 59.161.21.130 // However one point needs to be clarified from my perspective. Narasimha, as far as I have seen, is the last person who needs any kind of help to defend himself. For the opponents who are worthy, he answers back with clear and precise logic, and for the rest, he leaves them // Comments from obsequious out of grovelling ! // he leaves them alone because mostly they lack class // Fools Paradise ! IT IS BETTER FOR YOU TO HANG IN WITH 'BI' AND 'BO' @ TCS. ~ Pawan Maurya vedic astrology, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> wrote: > > Dear (est) Pawan Maurya, >  > I could have refuted the following mail, but, on second thoughts, if believing the following makes you happy and gives you a good night's sleep, so be it. I really would not waste my time answering you in details. >  > However one point needs to be clarified from my perspective. Narasimha, as far as I have seen, is the last person who needs any kind of help to defend himself. For the opponents who are worthy, he answers back with clear and precise logic, and for the rest, he leaves them alone because mostly they lack class and given enough time they would end up shooting themsleves in their own foot! >  > So be happy! >  > Bye >  > -Regards >  Rajarshi > > --- On Sun, 18/4/10, Astro Talk <astro.talk@ ...> wrote: > > > Astro Talk <astro.talk@ ...> > [vedic astrology] Rajarshi Nandy Exposed > vedic astrology > Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 3:42 AM > > >  > > > > > > Dear Moderator, >  > Utkal Mishra and Rajarshi Nandy are sending mails from same IP. >  > It is clearly fake id and he has shared no astrology only attack, attack and attack.I was not understanding why you were allowing his messages over here. It is better late than never. >  > Members kindly look at the following messages :- >  > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****** > That mail to Ramdev was written when Ramdev made some derogatory comments about > jyotish in an interview with BBC. So I guess the people who find the mail > offensive, agree with Ramdev's comments? In that case, what are they doing in > jyotish forums? Weird! >  > # 26584 >  > Forget commenting on others. first learn some basics yourself as your following > predictions are too vague. Ramdev said astrology is fake in interview, so you > agree to that? If so then what are you doing in this forum? Get a life. >  > # 26585 > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****** >  > Both above messages came just came in queue one after the other on the same theme. >  > And see following messages, those are also on sam theme :- >  > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****** > Keep chanting that more, it may eventually help you to reduce your ego - >  > # 26013 >  > Ego ego and more ego... all siddhis/visions/ abcd are useless if ego is not > reduced..... >  > # 26698 > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****** >  > I dont understand, is this way to protect Narashimha ?, make id and abuse one person. >  > Moderator i am also copying this mail to many members in BCC apart of sending to group as i know it will take time to get approval and appear on the group. >  > ~ Pawan Maurya > > --- On Sat, 17/4/10, jyotishi <raj (AT) jyotishi (DOT) org> wrote: > > jyotishi <raj (AT) jyotishi (DOT) org> > Re: Ishtadevatha > > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 3:57 PM > >  > > Last warning. No more personal attacks or be banned for ever! > > raj rao > Moderator > > , Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkal@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Another set of unsubstantiated tall claims  by someone whose knowledge and probably mental balance is highly questionable. ..  and advising others which is even more funny.. > >  > > Utkal > >  > >  > > --- On Sat, 17/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 4:29 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > > jyotish. > > > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > > Publication' s Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > > with what's happening ? > > > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > > - Mihira. > > > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > > Ishta Devta. > > > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > > others. > > > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > > > Hope it helps... !! > > > > , Ramdas Hosabettu > > <kashyapagotraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Listed members, > > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > > be > > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > > aspects/conjunction s and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > > 5th > > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > > Lord, > > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > > neutral,then > > > no results at all either good or bad. > > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > > in > > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > > Rashi > > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > > of > > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > > With Regards, > > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > > Parasara. > > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > > worshipping a > > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > > are > > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > > also. > > > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > > also be > > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > > planets > > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > > deity. By > > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > > from > > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > > or > > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > > extension and > > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > > the 12th > > > > from AK. > > > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > > kaama and > > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > > artha and > > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > > process, moksha > > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > > work with > > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > > completely > > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > > not the > > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > > native > > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology% 40. com>, > > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > > Libra > > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > > consider > > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > > strength ? > > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology% 40. com> > > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > > 12H from > > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Sri Rajarshi, You must appreciate for the brilliant findings....what a research it is... pawan..continue your research..and i would not be wondered if at a point even 100 people on the group are responding from a same IP address..and as per you all of them would be the same person..hoo i'm watching a chandramukhi (Superstar Rajni) or bhul buliah (akki) here... Cheers KK vedic astrology , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > >  Dear Pawan, > >  > > > Oh and I forgot to add, he he, apart from the fact that an IP address does not prove much, I got a one word answer for you, YaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaWN! - >  > - Regards >  Rajarshi >  >  > > --- On Mon, 19/4/10, astro.talk <astro.talk wrote: > > > astro.talk <astro.talk > [vedic astrology] Rajarshi Nandy Exposed > vedic astrology > Monday, 19 April, 2010, 11:53 PM > > >  > > > > I forgot to mention from where email was being sent from both ids by Rajarshi Nandy:- > > 59.161.21.130 > > // However one point needs to be clarified from my perspective. Narasimha, as far as I have seen, is the last person who needs any kind of help to defend himself. For the opponents who are worthy, he answers back with clear and precise logic, and for the rest, he leaves them // > > Comments from obsequious out of grovelling ! > > // he leaves them alone because mostly they lack class // > > Fools Paradise ! > > IT IS BETTER FOR YOU TO HANG IN WITH 'BI' AND 'BO' @ TCS. > > ~ Pawan Maurya > > vedic astrology, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear (est) Pawan Maurya, > >  > > I could have refuted the following mail, but, on second thoughts, if believing the following makes you happy and gives you a good night's sleep, so be it. I really would not waste my time answering you in details. > >  > > However one point needs to be clarified from my perspective. Narasimha, as far as I have seen, is the last person who needs any kind of help to defend himself. For the opponents who are worthy, he answers back with clear and precise logic, and for the rest, he leaves them alone because mostly they lack class and given enough time they would end up shooting themsleves in their own foot! > >  > > So be happy! > >  > > Bye > >  > > -Regards > >  Rajarshi > > > > --- On Sun, 18/4/10, Astro Talk <astro.talk@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Astro Talk <astro.talk@ ...> > > [vedic astrology] Rajarshi Nandy Exposed > > vedic astrology > > Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 3:42 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Moderator, > >  > > Utkal Mishra and Rajarshi Nandy are sending mails from same IP. > >  > > It is clearly fake id and he has shared no astrology only attack, attack and attack.I was not understanding why you were allowing his messages over here. It is better late than never. > >  > > Members kindly look at the following messages :- > >  > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****** > > That mail to Ramdev was written when Ramdev made some derogatory comments about > > jyotish in an interview with BBC. So I guess the people who find the mail > > offensive, agree with Ramdev's comments? In that case, what are they doing in > > jyotish forums? Weird! > >  > > # 26584 > >  > > Forget commenting on others. first learn some basics yourself as your following > > predictions are too vague. Ramdev said astrology is fake in interview, so you > > agree to that? If so then what are you doing in this forum? Get a life. > >  > > # 26585 > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****** > >  > > Both above messages came just came in queue one after the other on the same theme. > >  > > And see following messages, those are also on sam theme :- > >  > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****** > > Keep chanting that more, it may eventually help you to reduce your ego - > >  > > # 26013 > >  > > Ego ego and more ego... all siddhis/visions/ abcd are useless if ego is not > > reduced..... > >  > > # 26698 > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****** > >  > > I dont understand, is this way to protect Narashimha ?, make id and abuse one person. > >  > > Moderator i am also copying this mail to many members in BCC apart of sending to group as i know it will take time to get approval and appear on the group. > >  > > ~ Pawan Maurya > > > > --- On Sat, 17/4/10, jyotishi <raj (AT) jyotishi (DOT) org> wrote: > > > > jyotishi <raj (AT) jyotishi (DOT) org> > > Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 3:57 PM > > > >  > > > > Last warning. No more personal attacks or be banned for ever! > > > > raj rao > > Moderator > > > > , Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkal@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Another set of unsubstantiated tall claims  by someone whose knowledge and probably mental balance is highly questionable. ..  and advising others which is even more funny.. > > >  > > > Utkal > > >  > > >  > > > --- On Sat, 17/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > > Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 4:29 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > > > > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > > > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > > > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > > > jyotish. > > > > > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > > > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > > > > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > > > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > > > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > > > Publication' s Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > > > > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > > > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > > > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > > > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > > > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > > > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > > > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > > > with what's happening ? > > > > > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > > > > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > > > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > > > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > > > > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > > > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > > > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > > > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > > > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > > > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > > > - Mihira. > > > > > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > > > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > > > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > > > > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > > > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > > > Ishta Devta. > > > > > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > > > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > > > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > > > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > > > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > > > others. > > > > > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > > > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > > > > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > > > > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > > > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > > > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > > > > > Hope it helps... !! > > > > > > , Ramdas Hosabettu > > > <kashyapagotraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Listed members, > > > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > > > be > > > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > > > aspects/conjunction s and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > > > 5th > > > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > > > Lord, > > > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > > > neutral,then > > > > no results at all either good or bad. > > > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > > > in > > > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > > > Rashi > > > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > > > of > > > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > > > With Regards, > > > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > > > Parasara. > > > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > > > worshipping a > > > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > > > are > > > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > > > also be > > > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > > > planets > > > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > > > deity. By > > > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > > > from > > > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > > > or > > > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > > > extension and > > > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > > > the 12th > > > > > from AK. > > > > > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > > > kaama and > > > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > > > artha and > > > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > > > process, moksha > > > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > > > work with > > > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > > > completely > > > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > > > not the > > > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > > > native > > > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > > > Libra > > > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > > > consider > > > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > > > strength ? > > > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > > > 12H from > > > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 All, Please stop this thread! Thanks Moderator vedic astrology , " krishna k " <kritels wrote: > > Sri Rajarshi, > > You must appreciate for the brilliant findings....what a research it is... > > pawan..continue your research..and i would not be wondered if at a point even 100 people on the group are responding from a same IP address..and as per you all of them would be the same person..hoo i'm watching a chandramukhi (Superstar Rajni) or bhul buliah (akki) here... > > Cheers > KK > > vedic astrology , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> wrote: > > > >  Dear Pawan, > > > >  > > > > > > Oh and I forgot to add, he he, apart from the fact that an IP address does not prove much, I got a one word answer for you, YaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaWN! - > >  > > - Regards > >  Rajarshi > >  > >  > > > > --- On Mon, 19/4/10, astro.talk <astro.talk@> wrote: > > > > > > astro.talk <astro.talk@> > > [vedic astrology] Rajarshi Nandy Exposed > > vedic astrology > > Monday, 19 April, 2010, 11:53 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I forgot to mention from where email was being sent from both ids by Rajarshi Nandy:- > > > > 59.161.21.130 > > > > // However one point needs to be clarified from my perspective. Narasimha, as far as I have seen, is the last person who needs any kind of help to defend himself. For the opponents who are worthy, he answers back with clear and precise logic, and for the rest, he leaves them // > > > > Comments from obsequious out of grovelling ! > > > > // he leaves them alone because mostly they lack class // > > > > Fools Paradise ! > > > > IT IS BETTER FOR YOU TO HANG IN WITH 'BI' AND 'BO' @ TCS. > > > > ~ Pawan Maurya > > > > vedic astrology, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear (est) Pawan Maurya, > > >  > > > I could have refuted the following mail, but, on second thoughts, if believing the following makes you happy and gives you a good night's sleep, so be it. I really would not waste my time answering you in details. > > >  > > > However one point needs to be clarified from my perspective. Narasimha, as far as I have seen, is the last person who needs any kind of help to defend himself. For the opponents who are worthy, he answers back with clear and precise logic, and for the rest, he leaves them alone because mostly they lack class and given enough time they would end up shooting themsleves in their own foot! > > >  > > > So be happy! > > >  > > > Bye > > >  > > > -Regards > > >  Rajarshi > > > > > > --- On Sun, 18/4/10, Astro Talk <astro.talk@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Astro Talk <astro.talk@ ...> > > > [vedic astrology] Rajarshi Nandy Exposed > > > vedic astrology > > > Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 3:42 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Moderator, > > >  > > > Utkal Mishra and Rajarshi Nandy are sending mails from same IP. > > >  > > > It is clearly fake id and he has shared no astrology only attack, attack and attack.I was not understanding why you were allowing his messages over here. It is better late than never. > > >  > > > Members kindly look at the following messages :- > > >  > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****** > > > That mail to Ramdev was written when Ramdev made some derogatory comments about > > > jyotish in an interview with BBC. So I guess the people who find the mail > > > offensive, agree with Ramdev's comments? In that case, what are they doing in > > > jyotish forums? Weird! > > >  > > > # 26584 > > >  > > > Forget commenting on others. first learn some basics yourself as your following > > > predictions are too vague. Ramdev said astrology is fake in interview, so you > > > agree to that? If so then what are you doing in this forum? Get a life. > > >  > > > # 26585 > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****** > > >  > > > Both above messages came just came in queue one after the other on the same theme. > > >  > > > And see following messages, those are also on sam theme :- > > >  > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****** > > > Keep chanting that more, it may eventually help you to reduce your ego - > > >  > > > # 26013 > > >  > > > Ego ego and more ego... all siddhis/visions/ abcd are useless if ego is not > > > reduced..... > > >  > > > # 26698 > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****** > > >  > > > I dont understand, is this way to protect Narashimha ?, make id and abuse one person. > > >  > > > Moderator i am also copying this mail to many members in BCC apart of sending to group as i know it will take time to get approval and appear on the group. > > >  > > > ~ Pawan Maurya > > > > > > --- On Sat, 17/4/10, jyotishi <raj (AT) jyotishi (DOT) org> wrote: > > > > > > jyotishi <raj (AT) jyotishi (DOT) org> > > > Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 3:57 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Last warning. No more personal attacks or be banned for ever! > > > > > > raj rao > > > Moderator > > > > > > , Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkal@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Another set of unsubstantiated tall claims  by someone whose knowledge and probably mental balance is highly questionable. ..  and advising others which is even more funny.. > > > >  > > > > Utkal > > > >  > > > >  > > > > --- On Sat, 17/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > > > Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 4:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > > > > > > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > > > > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > > > > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > > > > jyotish. > > > > > > > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > > > > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > > > > > > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > > > > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > > > > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > > > > Publication' s Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > > > > > > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > > > > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > > > > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > > > > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > > > > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > > > > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > > > > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > > > > with what's happening ? > > > > > > > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > > > > > > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > > > > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > > > > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > > > > > > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > > > > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > > > > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > > > > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > > > > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > > > > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > > > > - Mihira. > > > > > > > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > > > > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > > > > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > > > > > > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > > > > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > > > > Ishta Devta. > > > > > > > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > > > > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > > > > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > > > > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > > > > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > > > > others. > > > > > > > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > > > > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > > > > > > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > > > > > > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > > > > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > > > > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > > > > > > > Hope it helps... !! > > > > > > > > , Ramdas Hosabettu > > > > <kashyapagotraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Listed members, > > > > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > > > > be > > > > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > > > > aspects/conjunction s and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > > > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > > > > 5th > > > > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > > > > Lord, > > > > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > > > > neutral,then > > > > > no results at all either good or bad. > > > > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > > > > in > > > > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > > > > Rashi > > > > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > > > > of > > > > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > > > > worshipping a > > > > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > > > > are > > > > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > > > > also be > > > > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > > > > planets > > > > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > > > > deity. By > > > > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > > > > from > > > > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > > > > or > > > > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > > > > extension and > > > > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > > > > the 12th > > > > > > from AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > > > > kaama and > > > > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > > > > artha and > > > > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > > > > process, moksha > > > > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > > > > work with > > > > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > > > > completely > > > > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > > > > not the > > > > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > > > > native > > > > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > > > > Libra > > > > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > > > > consider > > > > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > > > > strength ? > > > > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > > > > 12H from > > > > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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