Kalai fanatism

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Dear Vaishnavas, Please Stop mud slinging on others digging up the past raking up kalai fanatism Think Creatively Objectively Common welfare of the community Preserve Our sampradhayams Our culture Our heritage There are countless precious slokas, pasurams, Bashyams to discuss. Why waste time thinking of the unnecessary and unwanted episodes? There are countless shrines crying for your

attention. Spend your time for them. Think what you can do for them. If you can not do any useful things at least keep quite.

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dear sir Under the pretext of deep cleansing enough mud has been splashed all over . as suggested by mr. rajagopalan and others who aspire for a united kalai, who wish to see merger of the two kalais irrespective of the sampradayas and tenets, let there be light at the end of the tunnel. Let the glorious traditions of the two kalais bring about unity and prosperity of the sri vaishnava sampradaya families. hope the rays of hope will shine on all the vaishavaities rajaramanS RAJAGOPALAN <yesargee wrote: Dear Vaishnavas, Please Stop mud slinging on others digging up the past raking up kalai fanatism Think Creatively

Objectively Common welfare of the community Preserve Our sampradhayams Our culture Our heritage There are countless precious slokas, pasurams, Bashyams to discuss. Why waste time thinking of the unnecessary and unwanted episodes? There are countless shrines crying for your attention. Spend your time for them. Think what you can do for them. If you can not do any useful things at least keep quite. Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games.

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We remember the past only to make sure that the atrocious errors and

mistakes done in the past are not repeated now or in the future.

 

A united kalai is, actually, the only hope for the community. The only

way to effectively unite it is to take it back to the one kalai that was

during the time of Sri Ramanuja. There would be no kalai at all today

if it were not for Sri Ramanuja, who spent his long life fighting for

the real and the truth against the maya or illusions of the ill-informed

majority of the " advaitists " during his time (who grossly distorted Adi

Shankaracharya's main messages to support an easy-going life), as well

as against the ideologies of Jains and muslims. All later acharyas have

their own place, but not the place of Sri Ramanuja, and let their

commentaries be informed opinion that you read for a more diverse

understanding of the one true faith.

 

Also, compare the logical precision of Sri Ramanuja's SriBashya (on the

Vedanta Sutra) with that of Adi Shankara on the same subject. Of

course, Sri Ramanuja had the benefit of Adi Shankara's Bashya as well.

We should forget all the kalai differences and go back to the one

truthful, logically supportable source.

 

Badarayana's Brahma-sutra (essential summary commentary on the Vedas and

Upanishads)

http://veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/vedsutra.htm

 

AdiShankara's commentary on Badarayana's Brahma-sutra

http://www.bharatadesam.com/spiritual/brahma_sutra/brahma_sutra_sankara_\

index.php

 

Sri Ramanuja's commentary on Badarayana's Brahmas-sutra (The Sri Bashya)

http://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia/ebooks/sbe48/

 

Genghis

 

 

, raja raman <rrb4u wrote:

>

> dear sir

>

> Under the pretext of deep cleansing enough mud has been splashed all

over . as suggested by mr. rajagopalan and others who aspire for a

united kalai, who wish to see merger of the two kalais irrespective of

the sampradayas and tenets, let there be light at the end of the tunnel.

Let the glorious traditions of the two kalais bring about unity and

prosperity of the sri vaishnava sampradaya families.

>

> hope the rays of hope will shine on all the vaishavaities

>

> rajaraman

>

> S RAJAGOPALAN yesargee wrote:

> Dear Vaishnavas,

>

> Please

> Stop

> mud slinging on others

> digging up the past

> raking up kalai fanatism

> Think

> Creatively

> Objectively

> Common welfare of the community

> Preserve

> Our sampradhayams

> Our culture

> Our heritage

>

> There are countless precious slokas, pasurams, Bashyams to

discuss.

> Why waste time thinking of the unnecessary and unwanted episodes?

> There are countless shrines crying for your attention.

> Spend your time for them.

> Think what you can do for them.

> If you can not do any useful things at least keep quite.

>

>

>

>

> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha!

> Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at

Games.

>

>

>

>

> RAJARAMAN

>

>

>

>

> Once upon a time there was 1 GB storage in your inbox. Click here for

happy ending.

>

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What a strange advice. We can as well get back to the time of Adam and eve as we are their descendents. It is a pity people advocate to get back instead of forging ahead S RAJAGOPALAN

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All MUST do this--are they NO

 

So whats the solution

 

Dasan

On 8/7/07, S RAJAGOPALAN <yesargee wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vaishnavas,

 

Please

Stop

mud slinging on others

digging up the past

raking up kalai fanatism

Think

Creatively

Objectively

Common welfare of the community Preserve

Our sampradhayams

Our culture

Our heritage

 

There are countless precious slokas, pasurams, Bashyams to discuss.

Why waste time thinking of the unnecessary and unwanted episodes?

There are countless shrines crying for your attention.

Spend your time for them.

Think what you can do for them.

If you can not do any useful things at least keep quite.

 

 

Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now

(it's updated for today's economy) at Games.

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I fully agree with Shri S.Rajagopalan.Let us put an end to this subject and not write any more by wasting our precious time than doing service to our vaishnavismDasanT.Ramanujamjanaki janaki1958 <janaki1958 wrote: All MUST do this--are they NO So whats the solution Dasan On 8/7/07, S RAJAGOPALAN <yesargee > wrote: Dear Vaishnavas, Please Stop mud slinging on others digging up the past raking up kalai fanatism Think

Creatively Objectively Common welfare of the community Preserve Our sampradhayams Our culture Our heritage There are countless precious slokas, pasurams, Bashyams to discuss. Why waste time thinking of the unnecessary and unwanted episodes? There are countless shrines crying for your attention. Spend your time for them. Think what you can do for them. If you can not do any useful things at least keep quite. Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games.

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Swamin,

 

If we cannot rally around the one common guru, a guru of such extraordinary

stature as Sri Ramanuja, how are we going to bring together a community of some

600,000 people divided into swayam-acharya purushas, at least 3? vadakalai

mutts, at least 10? thenkalai mutts, andhra sri vaishanavas (who created

the anti-Tamil/4000 controversy in the first place), mysore

iyengars, hebbars, shoiyars, and then other vaishnavas like mardhvas and other

mutt shishyas from all over India who traditionally have not wished to include

in the "Sri" category? We waited 4000 years after Sri Krishna

for a Sri Ramanuja, and there has been none of his stature after him yet.

Not to mention, the recent explosion of alliances with non-Vaishnavas altogether.

 

Sri Ramanuja's greatness, and the main reason for my suggestion to go back to

him, is because he was inclusive of everyone, not exclusive. At Thirukoshtiyur Temple, it gives one a thrill to climb

the stairs to stand right behind the mathil from where he announced the great

secret to all who would listen, against the wishes of the orthodox and was

willing to risk eternal "hell" for that if millions would reach

"heaven" as a result.

 

Ramanuja was a great all-inclusive "evangelist", which we know from

his actions. Further, if the writer Kalki is right, Ramanuja stood at the

Veeranam reservoir with its 70+ irrigation channels taking water from it and

irrigating fields far and wide, and declared, he wanted Vaishnavism

to grow in all directions much like these channels from a reservoir.

 

Vaishnavism was rejuvenated by Sri Ramanuja as a faith of

growth. Muslims attacked the faith at least 4 times over the last 1000

years (the mohammadan in Ramanuja's time, Allaudin Khilji and Srirangam, the

deccan sultan who took over Ahobilam, then Tipu Sultan who died in

1799AD) but we remained firm and united and grew. Also, it is the legacy

of Sri Ramanuja and Sri Ananthalwar that Tirumalai is the still the number one

pilgrim spot in the country and growing.

 

But look at what we have done to it in the last 200+ years. When the

British put forth this nonsensical theory (from the time of William Jones

c.1790AD) that Aryans invaded India and that the Brahmins in Madras state were

part of the Aryan invaders, the Brahmins were the first gullible ones.

Much later, when the non-brahmins also started believing this trash, designed

to divide, it was too late. We lost control over our places of worship

and mutts in large part. Now, when overwhelming evidence points to the

contrary, we are not able to get people to understand the truth. Vested

interests have settled in. Further, we try to force our internal

differences on the sly, on the streets and in the courts, making us the

laughing stock.

 

Mohammad, the guru of muslims, was asked (see the hadiths) about the future of

islam. He declared that islam will divide itself into 73 sects but that

only one of them will be true and reach paradise. Now, each sect

considers it its duty to claim to be the true one, and encourages its followers

to kill the others if you can't convert them. By that logic, the last

muslim left standing would be the true one.

Are we any better? Look at us Sri Vaishnavas - we are willing to provoke the other and then

get into public fist fights and in the courts, but wont get together to fight

real and gross injustices against all of us in the same way!!! We wont

get together to fight for the well being of our divya desams. We wont get

together to fight for the future of our children and of our culture. And

most of us dont even know why temples are built a certain way, why the deity is

presented in a particular way, what the meaning/symbolism of the thiruman is,

what our acharyas were really were, and yet, we fight over it! When we walk

into a temple, we want go straight and get an archana or aarti done for someone's

worldly wellbeing or the other, but dont care about experiencing the infinite

care, dedication and art with which these temples were built. We dont

care about the people who live around these temples, dont care to get them

involved or create incentives for them to grow the place. Most of us dont

know if our scriptures and acharyas speak the same, simple, single message or

complex, contradictory drivel. On the one extreme, today, we have the nescient

orthodox and on the other, we have sublime ignorance - pray, what can really

exist in between? The compromise wont come from our current generation of

Jeers - its is the followers who will need to lead them – I am able to say this

dispassionately because I belong to no mutt.

 

To move forward, and indeed, I believe we can grow in great numbers and strength

based on Sri Ramanuja's blueprint, we need to go back and find that one

non-controversial source. Unless I am missing something, that source is

Sri Ramanuja!

 

Genghis

 

P.S. I think you know well that the tale and concept of Adam and Eve as

originators of human kind is neither supported by science nor by the Veda

(please refer to the Purusha Sukta).

, S RAJAGOPALAN <yesargee wrote:>> What a strange advice. We can as well get back to the time of Adam and eve as we are their descendents. It is a pity people advocate to get back instead of forging ahead > > S RAJAGOPALAN> > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.>

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JSN; Would someone find out WHO, for What Purpose and WHY are they doing this? Do we have all info? There must be intentional motive from some individuals or group or some with vested interests. As we do not know anything, let us not talk about this issue and stop the intentions of them, if any, right from here. Thanks, Jay Shriman Narayan (JSN) Padmakant Ramanuj dasjanaki janaki1958 <janaki1958 wrote: All MUST do this--are they NO So whats the solution Dasan On 8/7/07, S RAJAGOPALAN <yesargee > wrote: Dear Vaishnavas, Please Stop mud slinging on others digging up the past raking up kalai fanatism Think Creatively Objectively Common welfare of the community Preserve Our sampradhayams Our culture Our heritage There are countless precious slokas, pasurams, Bashyams to discuss. Why waste time thinking of the unnecessary and unwanted episodes? There are countless shrines crying for your attention. Spend your time for them. Think what you can do for them. If you can not do any useful things at least keep quite. Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games.

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Dear Genghis Swamin,

 

>>To move forward, and indeed, I believe we can grow in great numbers and strength based on Sri Ramanuja's blueprint, we need to go back and find that one non-controversial source. Unless I am missing something, that source is Sri Ramanuja!<<<

 

That one non-controversial source is Bhagavadgita (BG). We should and let go everything else in this regard, including all the bhASHYams on BG, no matter how dear they may be to us. We truly can not follow Sri Ramanuja (or for that matter any, besides

gItAchArya). You can read Sri Ramanuja's last sermon, and see how much you can follow? who are we kidding?

 

 

dAsan

 

K.S. tAtAchAr

 

 

genghis1291 <genghis

 

Mon, 13 Aug 2007 3:03 am

Re: Kalai fanatism

 

 

Swamin,

 

If we cannot rally around the one common guru, a guru of such extraordinary stature as Sri Ramanuja, how are we going to bring together a community of some 600,000 people divided into swayam-acharya purushas, at least 3? vadakalai mutts, at least 10? thenkalai mutts, andhra sri vaishanavas (who created the anti-Tamil/4000 controversy in the first place), mysore iyengars, hebbars, shoiyars, and then other vaishnavas like mardhvas and other mutt shishyas from all over India who traditionally have not wished to include in the "Sri" category? We waited 4000 years after Sri Krishna for a Sri Ramanuja, and there has been none of his stature after him yet. Not to mention, the recent explosion of alliances with non-Vaishnavas altogether.

 

Sri Ramanuja's greatness, and the main reason for my suggestion to go back to him, is because he was inclusive of everyone, not exclusive. At Thirukoshtiyur Temple, it gives one a thrill to climb the stairs to stand right behind the mathil from where he announced the great secret to all who would listen, against the wishes of the orthodox and was willing to risk eternal "hell" for that if millions would reach "heaven" as a result.

 

Ramanuja was a great all-inclusive "evangelist", which we know from his actions. Further, if the writer Kalki is right, Ramanuja stood at the Veeranam reservoir with its 70+ irrigation channels taking water from it and irrigating fields far and wide, and declared, he wanted Vaishnavism to grow in all directions much like these channels from a reservoir.

 

Vaishnavism was rejuvenated by Sri Ramanuja as a faith of growth. Muslims attacked the faith at least 4 times over the last 1000 years (the mohammadan in Ramanuja's time, Allaudin Khilji and Srirangam, the deccan sultan who took over Ahobilam, then Tipu Sultan who died in 1799AD) but we remained firm and united and grew. Also, it is the legacy of Sri Ramanuja and Sri Ananthalwar that Tirumalai is the still the number one pilgrim spot in the country and growing.

 

But look at what we have done to it in the last 200+ years. When the British put forth this nonsensical theory (from the time of William Jones c.1790AD) that Aryans invaded India and that the Brahmins in Madras state were part of the Aryan invaders, the Brahmins were the first gullible ones. Much later, when the non-brahmins also started believing this trash, designed to divide, it was too late. We lost control over our places of worship and mutts in large part. Now, when overwhelming evidence points to the contrary, we are not able to get people to understand the truth. Vested interests have settled in. Further, we try to force our internal differences on the sly, on the streets and in the courts, making us the laughing stock.

 

Mohammad, the guru of muslims, was asked (see the hadiths) about the future of islam. He declared that islam will divide itself into 73 sects but that only one of them will be true and reach paradise. Now, each sect considers it its duty to claim to be the true one, and encourages its followers to kill the others if you can't convert them. By that logic, the last muslim left standing would be the true one.

 

Are we any better? Look at us Sri Vaishnavas - we are willing to provoke the other and then get into public fist fights and in the courts, but wont get together to fight real and gross injustices against all of us in the same way!!! We wont get together to fight for the well being of our divya desams. We wont get together to fight for the future of our children and of our culture. And most of us dont even know why temples are built a certain way, why the deity is presented in a particular way, what the meaning/symbolism of the thiruman is, what our acharyas were really were, and yet, we fight over it! When we walk into a temple, we want go straight and get an archana or aarti done for someone's worldly wellbeing or the other, but dont care about experiencing the infinite care, dedication and art with which these temples were built. We dont care about the people who live around these temples, dont care to get them involved or create incentives for them to grow the place. Most of us dont know if our scriptures and acharyas speak the same, simple, single message or complex, contradictory drivel. On the one extreme, today, we have the nescient orthodox and on the other, we have sublime ignorance - pray, what can really exist in between? The compromise wont come from our current generation of Jeers - its is the followers who will need to lead them – I am able to say this dispassionately because I belong to no mutt.

 

To move forward, and indeed, I believe we can grow in great numbers and strength based on Sri Ramanuja's blueprint, we need to go back and find that one non-controversial source. Unless I am missing something, that source is Sri Ramanuja!

 

Genghis

 

P.S. I think you know well that the tale and concept of Adam and Eve as originators of human kind is neither supported by science nor by the Veda (please refer to the Purusha Sukta).

, S RAJAGOPALAN <yesargee wrote:

>

> What a strange advice. We can as well get back to the time of Adam and eve as we are their descendents. It is a pity people advocate to get back instead of forging ahead

>

> S RAJAGOPALAN

>

>

>

> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

>

 

 

 

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