Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Yes. Arjuna uses the word svajanam alright as he is more dhaarmik than kouravas and Dhrtharashtras but he also said dhaartharaashtrasya dhurbuddheh. So what he maeant as svajanam must be people like Bheeshma and other relatives who have joined Dhuryodhana only out of loyalty and fear rather than out of enmity towards Pandavas. >>but he also said dhaartharaashtrasya dhurbuddheh.<< Still Arjuna's svajanam-sentiments is valid, because, "svajanam" just means our/my own people, irrespective of wise or otherwise. As we see in our culture, we have too many sincere souls who are very tolerant to the extent of hurting one-self (and as result others). This is part of our ethos. I (actually credit goes to my brother Kanna) have coined the term "good-rascals" or "Sincere fools". This attribute is very rare in other cultures. Uniquely a weakness (or questionably strength?) of Hindu culture. We even have a subhashita to justify: upakAriShu yah sAdhuh sa sAdhutve ko guNah? apakAriShu yah sAdhuh sa sAdhuh sadbhi rucyate! As we can see, only Krishna treated others as they deserved to be treated; while Rama banished his pregnant wife to appease a dhobi! We are good at writing vyAkhyAnams - in tons - to justify such acts! I can go on for ever citing tons of exa mples: Bheeshma to Prithviraj down to Gandhi-Nehru- to our pseudo or rabid fundamentalist vote bank bankers! In observing our culture, I have come to the conclusion, only KRISHNA sticks out, with his ultimate platinum rule- Treat others as they deserve to be treated! We can basically dump the rest or waste time trying to rationalize- worse yet imbibe them (as we have been doing all along) for our own peril!! dAsan KST Saroja Ramanujam <sarojram18 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 2:05 am Re: Bhagavatgita a detailed study-chapter1 Yes. Arjuna uses the word svajanam alright as he is more dhaarmik than kouravas and D hrtharashtras but he also said dhaartharaashtrasya dhurbuddheh. So what he maeant as svajanam must be people like Bheeshma and other relatives who have joined Dhuryodhana only out of loyalty and fear rather than out of enmity towards Pandavas. Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. www.freewebs.com/asrama3 --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar wrote: Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar Re: Bhagavatgita a detailed study-chapter1 d ivya_desam Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 1:25 AM maamakaaH- Dhrathrashtra refers to the, kouravas, his hundred sons and all those who have gathered in support of kouravas. It is to be noted that he refers to his side of the warriors as maamakaaH thus identifying himself with kouravas only and mentions Pandavas by name thus separating them as not belonging to him. It show his partiality towards Duryodhana, fully well knowing that he was unrighteous in calling Pandavas to battle. In contrast this, Arjuna uses the term "swajanam" (our own people) dAsan KST sarojram18 <sarojram18 > Fri, 10 Oct 2008 5:51 am Bhagavatgita a detailed study-chapter1 Chapter1. Arjuna's despondency drtharaashtraH uvaacha Dhrtharaashtra said 1.Dharmakshethre kurukshethre samavethaa yuyuthsavaH maamakaaH paandavaaH chaiva kim akurvatha sanjaya In the field of Kurukshethra, which is also a dharmakshethra, assembled with the desire to fight, what did my people and Pandavas do, Sanjaya? & n bsp; maamakaaH- Dhrathrashtra refers to the, kouravas, his hundred sons and all those who have gathered in support of kouravas. It is to be noted that he refers to his side of the warriors as maamakaaH thus identifying himself with kouravas only and mentions Pandavas by name thus separating them as not belonging to him. It show his parti ality towards Duryodhana, fully well knowing that he was unrighteous in calling Pandavas to battle. PandavaaH- refers to the five sons of Pandu and all those who were on their side. Cha eva – means `and.' my people and Pandavas.' eva is for emphasis though cha itself is enough to mean `and.' samavethaaH- assembled together. yuyuthsavaH- wishing to fight. Yoddhum icchavah dharmakshethre- in the holy field of kurukshethre- Kurukshethra. Kurukshethra is extolled in Mahabharatha and is know by another name Samantha panchaka. This is the place where Agni, Indra and Brahma did penance and also king Kuru. It is said that those who die here go to higher planes. 0D Kim akurvatha- what did they do? Sanjaya- Dhrtharashtra asks Sanjaya When the war was inevitable, Vyasa asked Dhrtharashtra whether he wanted to see it and if so he would be given divine eyesight to see what was happening on the battle field. But Dhrtharaashtra did not want to see it and said that nevertheless he wanted to hear about it in detail. Thereupon Vyasa gave divine eyesight to Sanjay and said that he would see everything that happened and would be able to give a detailed account of it to Dhrtharashtra. After ten days of war, Bhishma fell and Dhrtharashtra became upset and asked Sanjaya to tell him all that had happened so far on the battle fiel d. =0 A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 14.Thathah Svethaih hayaiH yukthaih mahathi syandhane sThithou maaDhavah Paandavah chaiva dhivyou Sankhou pradhaDhmathuH Then Krishna and Arjuna stationed in their great chariot drawn with white horses blew their divine conches. The chariot of Arjuna was divine and given by the god of fire Agni, when he burnt the kaandavavanam as an offering to Agnideva. The four white horses were given to him by Chithraratha , king of Gandharvas out of his ever replenished stock of 100 and both the chariot and the horses are capable of traveling on earth and in the sky. Krishna as the charioteer of Arjuna blew his conch and Arjuna also did likewise. Both DhuryoDhana and Arjuna went to see Krishna before the war to enlist his help and Krishna gave them a choice. He said that he will be on one side without fighting and he will send his army to the other side. Duryodhana opted for the latter while Arjuna chose Krishna himself . When Duryodhana left, Arjuna said that without the help of Krishna what was the use of army and he requested Krishna to become his charioteer so that when Krishna is in forefront victory would be his. This is how the Lord became the Parthasarathy. svethaiH hayaiH- by white horses mahathi syandhane sThithou- the two on the great chariot. maaDhavah- This name means the consort of Lakshmi , maayaaH Dhavah, signifying prosperity to Arjuna. PaandavaH means Arjuna. Though this word means all the sons of Pandu, here it is Arjuna who is with Krishna in the chariot. 15. Panchajanyam hrsheekea dhevdhattham DhananjayaH poundram dhaDhmou mahaaSanKham bheemakarma vrkodharaH Krishna sounded his conch Panchajanya, Arjuna blew his conch Dhevadhatta and Bheema of fierce actions sounded the big conch, Poundra. Panchajnayam HrsheekesaH- The Lord is called Hrsheekesa meaning `one who has the senses under his control,' hrsheekaaNaam eeSaH. He is the one who controls the senses and make them function being he inner-self of all. The word can be split in two ways, namely, hrsheeka+eeSa or hrshi +kesa. In the latter form it means that He gives joy, Hrshi with His rays, kesa, that envelop the whole world. Kesa also means hair and hence it refers to Krishna who has abundant hair. Panchajanyam- Krishna killed the asura Panchajana and made him into a conch and hence it is called Panchajanyam. Dhananjaya- The name of Arjuna because he collecr ted a lot of wealth for Yudhishtira when he did Rajasuyayaga, by conquering all the kings . Dhanam jayathi ithi DhanajayaH Dhevadhattham- the conch of Arjuna was called Dhevadhattham because it was given to him by Indra, dhevena dhattham. Bheemakarmaa vrkodharah- refers to Bheema who was called vrkodhara because he used to eat a lot and digest the same like a wolf. Vrkasya udharam iva udharam yasay saH, one who has a stomach like that of a wolf.he is also referred to as bheemakarma because his actions were terrifying to his enemies. The word Bheema means fearful. The conch of Bheema was known as Poundra and it was described as mahaaSankham as it was big in size and also in sound. Panchajanyam Hrishikesah- Lord Krishna sounded his conch which was music to His followers but sounded the death knell to His foes. The one who played the flute in Brindavan enchanting the whole world with His music, blew His conch in Kurukshetra, stunning the Kaurava forces into silence. Panchajanya, the conch of the Lord, is pranavasvarupa, represents Omkaara, and hence synonymous with nadhabrahmam, as pranava, the syllable OM is the source of all sound. Om ityekaksharam brahma, Brahman the Absolute Reality synonymous with syllable OM, says the sruti. When the Lord touched the face of the boy Dhruva with the Panchajanya he became eloquent. Such was the power of Panchajanya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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