Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

[Guest guest]

Dear all:

 

I have a humble request. My grandfathers younger sister passed away. My father

has taken the responsibility to do the 13 days and then subsequently the Onnai

Masyam and others.

 

He has now been advised that he should not be doing this, first as her gothram

is separate from ours. That he is still doing the yearly Shardham for my

grandfather.

 

My great aunt had no children, therefore my father decided to undertake the

duties.

 

We have been informed by some that this is wrong and should not be done by my

father.

 

Please advise what should be done or not be done. By doing something we don't

want to displease the spirits or make things worse.

 

As I am ignorant of these issues I would ask everyones assistance.

 

Humbly

 

Ramesh Rangarajan

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Rangarajan :

 

The Vaidheek aNushtAnam questions can be

asked and answers obtained at Vaideekam

 

Please become a Member of this group

and send all questions related to Sraaddham

etc . there and the answers can be sent to you.

 

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" r_ranagarajan " <r_ranagarajan

 

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:11 AM

Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

 

 

> Dear all:

>

> I have a humble request. My grandfathers younger sister passed away. My

> father has taken the responsibility to do the 13 days and then

> subsequently the Onnai Masyam and others.

>

> He has now been advised that he should not be doing this, first as her

> gothram is separate from ours. That he is still doing the yearly Shardham

> for my grandfather.

>

> My great aunt had no children, therefore my father decided to undertake

> the duties.

>

> We have been informed by some that this is wrong and should not be done by

> my father.

>

> Please advise what should be done or not be done. By doing something we

> don't want to displease the spirits or make things worse.

>

> As I am ignorant of these issues I would ask everyones assistance.

>

> Humbly

>

> Ramesh Rangarajan

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Swamin,

 

If it pleases your father, let him do.

Other than some honorable way of disposing of the body, no other rite is required in the strict sense for anybody irrespective of how many children they have. Even if we were to assume that they are still required, nobody can do it as described in the apara karma anyhow. Because it is something not required, the only reason to do is for the satisfaction of the person doing. It is time that we attach minimal importance to these vestigial rites, even when we do it with most shraddha.

 

dAsan

 

KST

 

 

r_ranagarajan <r_ranagarajan

 

Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:11 am

Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

 

 

Dear all:

I have a humble request. My grandfathers younger sister passed away. My father has taken the responsibility to do the 13 days and then subsequently the Onnai Masyam and others. He has now been advised that he should not be doing this, first as her gothram is separate from ours. That he is still doing the yearly Shardham for my grandfather.

My great aunt had no children, therefore my father decided to undertake the duties.

We have been informed by some that this is wrong and should not be done by my father.

Please advise what should be done or not be done. By doing something we don't want to displease the spirits or make things worse.

As I am ignorant of these issues I would ask everyones assistance.

Humbly

Ramesh Rangarajan

---

 

[Guest guest]

you get the phone number from the Narasimhapriya issue and there is question and answer portion on vaideeham. The swami who answers questions from reader is ready to reply sometimes over phone. Even others in his house at maduranthagam will get reply and help you.pl trydaranxxxx CC: r_ranagarajan; YennappanFrom: yennappanDate: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:46:39 -0400Re: Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Rangarajan :

 

The Vaidheek aNushtAnam questions can be

asked and answers obtained at Vaideekam

 

Please become a Member of this group

and send all questions related to Sraaddham

etc . there and the answers can be sent to you.

 

V.Sadagopan

Co-Moderator

Vaideekam Group

 

-

"r_ranagarajan" <r_ranagarajan (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

 

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:11 AM

Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

 

> Dear all:

>

> I have a humble request. My grandfathers younger sister passed away. My

> father has taken the responsibility to do the 13 days and then

> subsequently the Onnai Masyam and others.

>

> He has now been advised that he should not be doing this, first as her

> gothram is separate from ours. That he is still doing the yearly Shardham

> for my grandfather.

>

> My great aunt had no children, therefore my father decided to undertake

> the duties.

>

> We have been informed by some that this is wrong and should not be done by

> my father.

>

> Please advise what should be done or not be done. By doing something we

> don't want to displease the spirits or make things worse.

>

> As I am ignorant of these issues I would ask everyones assistance.

>

> Humbly

>

> Ramesh Rangarajan

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear SwaminsI am under the strong impression and belief that performing the last rites for the departed soul by his son is mandatory requirement and further cerfemonies in the end of the first year and every year thereafter are also the basic duty as framed in our religion and the practices/discipline. I am now confused over the observations of Mr KST. Will any one throw more light on this very important subject.adiyenSEVEL KRISHNAN IYENGAR

18 Thiruvengadam Street Extensions

East Raja Annamalaipuram

Chennai 600028

Landline 24617660

mobile 99400 95670 From: tatacharDate: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:16:31 -0400Re: Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

 

 

 

 

Dear Swamin,

 

If it pleases your father, let him do.

Other than some honorable way of disposing of the body, no other rite is required in the strict sense for anybody irrespective of how many children they have. Even if we were to assume that they are still required, nobody can do it as described in the apara karma anyhow. Because it is something not required, the only reason to do is for the satisfaction of the person doing. It is time that we attach minimal importance to these vestigial rites, even when we do it with most shraddha.

 

dAsan

 

KST

 

 

r_ranagarajan <r_ranagarajan (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

 

Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:11 am

Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

 

 

Dear all:I have a humble request. My grandfathers younger sister passed away. My father has taken the responsibility to do the 13 days and then subsequently the Onnai Masyam and others. He has now been advised that he should not be doing this, first as her gothram is separate from ours. That he is still doing the yearly Shardham for my grandfather.My great aunt had no children, therefore my father decided to undertake the duties.We have been informed by some that this is wrong and should not be done by my father.Please advise what should be done or not be done. By doing something we don't want to displease the spirits or make things worse.As I am ignorant of these issues I would ask everyones assistance.HumblyRamesh Rangarajan---

[Guest guest]

I have sent a mail to vaideekam and it has been returned undelivered.SEVEL KRISHNAN

18 Thiruvengadam Street Extensions

East Raja Annamalaipuram

Chennai 600028

Landline 24617660

mobile 99400 95670 From: dharunmuraliDate: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:43:13 +0530RE: Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

 

 

 

 

you get the phone number from the Narasimhapriya issue and there is question and answer portion on vaideeham. The swami who answers questions from reader is ready to reply sometimes over phone. Even others in his house at maduranthagam will get reply and help you.pl trydaranxxxx CC: r_ranagarajan (AT) (DOT) co.uk; Yennappan (AT) computer (DOT) netFrom: yennappan (AT) computer (DOT) netDate: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:46:39 -0400Re: Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Rangarajan :

 

The Vaidheek aNushtAnam questions can be

asked and answers obtained at Vaideekam

 

Please become a Member of this group

and send all questions related to Sraaddham

etc . there and the answers can be sent to you.

 

V.Sadagopan

Co-Moderator

Vaideekam Group

 

-

"r_ranagarajan" <r_ranagarajan (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

 

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:11 AM

Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

 

> Dear all:

>

> I have a humble request. My grandfathers younger sister passed away. My

> father has taken the responsibility to do the 13 days and then

> subsequently the Onnai Masyam and others.

>

> He has now been advised that he should not be doing this, first as her

> gothram is separate from ours. That he is still doing the yearly Shardham

> for my grandfather.

>

> My great aunt had no children, therefore my father decided to undertake

> the duties.

>

> We have been informed by some that this is wrong and should not be done by

> my father.

>

> Please advise what should be done or not be done. By doing something we

> don't want to displease the spirits or make things worse.

>

> As I am ignorant of these issues I would ask everyones assistance.

>

> Humbly

>

> Ramesh Rangarajan

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]



Dear Sri Ramesh Rangarajan :

 

FYI.

V.Sadagopan

- Sri Vaishnava Kendram Deevalur Srinivasachariyar

Dr.V.Sadagopan

Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:22 AM

Re: Fw: Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

Dear Sriman Sadagopachar swamin,dasan,Yesterday I replied to a similar question, I am giving it here which will very well suitable for this question.I don't know both questions are came from the same person.*********************************************************E-mail::artemisltdQuestion::We are Vadakalai Iyengar, Kousika Gothram.My great aunt passed away on month ago. She was my grandfather's younger sister, my grandfather passed away in 1992 and my father performs all the necessary rites annually. My grandmother is still alive. My Atthai Patti had no children, her husband died sometime back.My father took over the funeral rites as the nearest relative did not want to perform them.What should be done for 27th Day, Mausyam, etc. Does anything have to be done for the full year?Some say doing these things will have a negative effect rather than positive.Please help.Ramesh RangarajanGreetings,First of all, good works never make bad effects.If there is no property to enjoy and perform the rituals,then you can do upto the year end (if Sapindikaranam done) and leave there after.If the Karma had been completed with "Narayana Bali" instead of Sapindikaranam you can leave it from right now.If there is some property then the enjoyer should continue the karma.regs,nvs**********************************************************************Power problem, Sorry for the delay.Dhanyosmi,nvs

2009/6/17 Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan

SrI:Dear Sriman Vasu Vaadhyar Swamy :I can not think of any problems inthe brother of the childless ladyperforming apara kaaryams .Your response is welcome to answerthis inquirer . Thanks .NamO SrI NrisimhAya,V.Sadagopan- "Dr.V.Sadagopan" <yennappanCc: "Ramesh Rangarajan" <r_ranagarajan; "Y" <YennappanWednesday, June 17, 2009 7:46 AMRe: Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

Dear Sri Rangarajan :The Vaidheek aNushtAnam questions can beasked and answers obtained at Vaideekam Please become a Member of this groupand send all questions related to Sraaddhametc . there and the answers can be sent to you.V.SadagopanCo-ModeratorVaideekam Group- "r_ranagarajan" <r_ranagarajanTuesday, June 16, 2009 3:11 AM Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

Dear all:I have a humble request. My grandfathers younger sister passed away. My father has taken the responsibility to do the 13 days and then subsequently the Onnai Masyam and others.He has now been advised that he should not be doing this, first as her gothram is separate from ours. That he is still doing the yearly Shardham for my grandfather.My great aunt had no children, therefore my father decided to undertake the duties.We have been informed by some that this is wrong and should not be done by my father.Please advise what should be done or not be done. By doing something we don't want to displease the spirits or make things worse.As I am ignorant of these issues I would ask everyones assistance.HumblyRamesh Rangarajan-- Deevalur N.V.Srinivasachariyar M.A, M.Phil.Yajur, Sama Bruhaspathy (Vadhyar)09283739823, 09444844423

[Guest guest]

Dear Swamin,

 

The answer is quite clear in the Bhagavad-Gita. Arjuna was preoccupied with these traditions (which terribly weakens our religion) and not Krishna. Arjuna was bound by tradition, Krishna taught him the truth. It is also clear that Arjuna did not understand the religion, because tradition had taken over the truth (see Bhagavd-Gita chapter 4 beginning part). Obviously nothing bad would happen by doing these rites. Only bad thing may be feeling bad as we can not do it properly. But nothing bad, would happen by not doing either.We are not even qualified to do it in the first place. I don't know a single person who is qualified, because hardly anyone does agni kaaryam on a daily basis. Because now it is almost impossible to do it properly, so no value even if there was anything to begin with. It is a shame that we have reduced our religion to shraaddham and tarpaNam. This is equivalent to Egyptians building Pyramids in 2009 for after life jorney! How much more weak a religion can be, if liberation is based on unbroken performance of these rites? How can anyone predict what a grand child would do? We need to introspect! Krishna clearly stated in BG 2:11 that Arjuna was a sincere fool. Which one would you choose between GaruDa puraNam (ever live in guilt) and Bhagavad-Gita (be liberated right here)?

 

KST

 

Krishnan Sevel Venkataraman <krishnan1940

 

Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:29 am

RE: Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Swamins

 

I am under the strong impression and belief that performing the last rites for the departed soul by his son is mandatory requirement and further cerfemonies in the end of the first year and every year thereafter are also the basic duty as framed in our religion and the practices/discipline. I am now confused over the observations of Mr KST. Will any one throw more light on this very important subject.

 

adiyen

 

SEVEL KRISHNAN IYENGAR

 

18 Thiruvengadam Street Extensions

East Raja Annamalaipuram

Chennai 600028

Landline 24617660

mobile 99400 95670

 

 

 

 

 

 

tatachar

Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:16:31 -0400

Re: Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Swamin,

 

If it pleases your father, let him do.

Other than some honorable way of disposing of the body, no other rite is required in the strict sense for anybody irrespective of how many children they have. Even if we were to assume that they are still required, nobody can do it as described in the apara karma anyhow. Because it is something not required, the only reason to do is for the satisfaction of the person doing. It is time that we attach minimal importance to these vestigial rites, even when we do it with most shraddha.

 

dAsan

 

KST

 

 

r_ranagarajan <r_ranagarajan (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

 

Tue, Jun 16, 2009 3:11 am

Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

 

 

Dear all:

 

I have a humble request. My grandfathers younger sister passed away. My father

has taken the responsibility to do the 13 days and then subsequently the Onnai

Masyam and others.

 

He has now been advised that he should not be doing this, first as her gothram

is separate from ours. That he is still doing the yearly Shardham for my

grandfather.

 

My great aunt had no children, therefore my father decided to undertake the

duties.

 

We have been informed by some that this is wrong and should not be done by my

father.

 

Please advise what should be done or not be done. By doing something we don't

want to displease the spirits or make things worse.

 

As I am ignorant of these issues I would ask everyones assistance.

 

Humbly

 

Ramesh Rangarajan

 

 

 

---

 

 

[Guest guest]

--I am also having a similar question. A relative of mine has lost his eldest

daughter who is married and has a son. Her last rites were performed by her

husband - her son is hardly 4 years old. My friend would like to know whether

the Shradham of his parents i.e. father and mother could be performed by him

since one year has not elapsed since the death of his daughter. - My opinion is

that he should perform since the daughter has been married and the last rites

have also been performed by her hausband, my friend parents shradham has no link

to her death. I would however, like to know the exact position in the matter so

that I can advise my friend.

 

o- In , " Dr.V.Sadagopan " <yennappan wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Rangarajan :

>

> The Vaidheek aNushtAnam questions can be

> asked and answers obtained at Vaideekam

>

> Please become a Member of this group

> and send all questions related to Sraaddham

> etc . there and the answers can be sent to you.

>

> V.Sadagopan

> Co-Moderator

> Vaideekam Group

>

> -

> " r_ranagarajan " <r_ranagarajan

>

> Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:11 AM

> Urgent Request - Reference Performing Last Rites

>

>

> > Dear all:

> >

> > I have a humble request. My grandfathers younger sister passed away. My

> > father has taken the responsibility to do the 13 days and then

> > subsequently the Onnai Masyam and others.

> >

> > He has now been advised that he should not be doing this, first as her

> > gothram is separate from ours. That he is still doing the yearly Shardham

> > for my grandfather.

> >

> > My great aunt had no children, therefore my father decided to undertake

> > the duties.

> >

> > We have been informed by some that this is wrong and should not be done by

> > my father.

> >

> > Please advise what should be done or not be done. By doing something we

> > don't want to displease the spirits or make things worse.

> >

> > As I am ignorant of these issues I would ask everyones assistance.

> >

> > Humbly

> >

> > Ramesh Rangarajan

> >

> >

> >

> > ---

> >

> >