Guest guest Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Dear Mr.Ayyappa Sastry, No, scripture states that ones sins will be wiped off by doing Parihara.One has to reap the fruits of One's own action whether Papa or Punya.I was clear in my previous mail that if one seeks the Attonment of One's sins , the very Attonment is itself will become trouble for One.Thereis no synonimforthe word DHARMA in anyother language except Sanskrit.The nearest meaning of the word DHARMA is LAW OF NATURE. DHARMORAKSHATI DHARMAH Meaning: 'Protect the DHARMA, the DHARMA Protected by you will Protect You.For every action there is an equal and opposite action, this is Newtons third Law of Motion. According to the LAW of KARMA one has to reap the fruits of One's own action.Lord KRISHNA in BHAGAVAT GITA clearly says: 'Do your KARMA, meaning Work or Action but do not expect the Fruits of your action, leave the Results of your KARMA unto Me'. Explanation: Perform your Work or Action without attachment to it and do not expect the results of your Work or Action whether it is possitive or negative result, leave the the Results to me I will take care of you.By doing One's Work or Action without attachment to it, and not expecting the Results One will not be happy for ones Punya nor be Sad for One's Papa it will not affect One's Mind and Jivaatma, by attaining Equanimity of Mind though One will certainly reap the fruits of Ones Own Action. As for as Astrology is concerned, for all GRAHAAS, for example Sanaischara they certainly have effect on forms of Life on Earth.The GRAHAAS keepon rotating on their own axis and revolve arround the SUN and the SUN rotates on its own axis and revolves arround the centre of AKAASHGANGA meaning Milkeyway Galaxy.They Grahas meaning Heavenly Bodies perform their work correctly and nonstop.So, what is destined to happen to One will certainly happen and these Parihaara suggested by Astrologers is just for the client's satisfaction and they cant alter what is to happen.So as you asked its a clearly a waste of time to do Parihara to Sanaischara and any other Graha.Astrology is only a Guide to us it does not determine ones future One KARMA determines Ones future and One can over come One's future by One's Willpower and Hardwork. Yours faithfully, B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN. e-mail: bcvk71 ayyappa sastry <bagawan_sastrybcvk71Sent: Fri, November 20, 2009 2:08:44 PMWiping of past sins Sir,\ If the past sins cannot be wiped by any Means i.e Japa,Tapa,Daana,Archana,Prayer, Havana or by any other means what is the use of Doing all these or atleast worshipping a God in a temple? scriptures are mentioning that sins will be wiped by perfoming these actions.say for example For Sani Dosham " Til Daan"will be given to a brahmin,and in a Temple Tailabisekhsa" will be perfomed.Is it a waste?is that information is wrong?not only hindus but also in other religions also people pray for elief from past sins.Alms giving is in religions.This tradition is being followed by many since timeimmemorial Is this all awaste? plz clarify this doubt of mine. Sd/SASTRY The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Dear all members, I am a new member to this great group. I am very much interested in participating in this topic. I would like to exhibit few details which I had gathered from great scholars. If there is any thing wrong in my statements then it is my fault but if this is right then the credits goes to those great scholars!Prabathi and saranagathi are the two terms that belongs to not only vaishnavites but every soul that takes its physical form.Prabathi is a spiritual way of one intimating the Lord, his wish of attaining Him. The methods of Prabathi practiced by Shri Vaishnavites are different. Some attain through acharya directly to the Lord and some through acharya via thayar they attain the Lord. Prabathi doesnt mean one will attain the Lord irrespective of sin.A very good example is the Sage's story where he was concentrating on his pet deer inspite of his great tapas and hence attained rebirth as a deer. It sometimes occurs due to maya that when a good soul leaves its physical body it is deprived of thinking to attain the lord- the vaikuntam. Prapathi is thus made to overcome this. when one undergoes sudden death or go unconscious before dying even then he is considered by Lord if he has made an intimation to attain Him in his conscious state -that is prapatti.Saranagathi- is a term which totally abolishes the idea of "I" or the "ego" which means one solely believes that it is the Paramatma who dwells in all the jevas and so attaining this state prevents one from doing sin. But the trend nowadays is saranagathi becomes a religious or a caste concept like baptism!A small note about Gita and Arjuna. Arjuna the most blessed soul made saranagathi to the Lord. He is the only soul to whom the Lord had showed all His courteous nature. But Arjuna didnt ask for Prapathi!! Yes he was worrying about his materialistic bonds and didnt ask for Vaikuntam even though the greatest veda- Bhagvat Gita was explained to him by the Supreme Guru!In Bhagavad Gita 2.7 Arjuna says " Sishyas teham shadhi maam tvaam prapannam" " I am your disciple and a soul surrendered unto you. Please instruct me" He just surrenderedHere is another interesting story. After dwapara yuga the Lord at vaikuntam was little depressed about Arjuna for his deed. The ornaments of the Lord came to a decision to be born as azhwars and to educate the common man to attain Lord by exhibiting His courteous natures in their splendid paasurams. One can also understand, sometimes the paasurams will be so wild as if to scold the common man that "the Supreme being is awaiting for your surrender but you people are still in maya of this materialistic world". Even thayar- Bhoomi piratti also decided to be born as Andal and gave the incomparable thiruppavai. Being Bhoomadevi she recollects what Lord had told her in Varaha avatar and given it as thiruppavai, which intimates us to do as directed by the Lord to get relieved from past karmas!A small narration of the events that occured in VARAHA AVATAR. In Varaha avatar the Lord saves Bhoodevi from the asura and consoles her by keeping in His lap. Even then she trembles and the Lord again consoles her "Hey Devi you are safe in my lap and why are you still scared?" Thayar replies "Oh my Lord I am always worried about our poor children who still suffer from karma. When are you going to relieve them and give them the safest place of dwelling near you?" The Lord replies "To wipe ones past sins, one need not roam from temple to temple. They can be where they are but should just do 3 things 1 uttering my naamam in their lips 2 doing archanai to me with their hands - even a simple sugantham flower is enough 3 thinking me truly and deeply in their mind that is enough for them to conquer me" Here is the following pasuram from Bhoodevi to support the incident Maayanai mannu vada madhurai maindhanaithooya peru neer yamunai thuraivanaiaayar kulaththinil thonrum ani vilakkaithaayai kudal vilakkam seydha dhaamodharanaithooyomaay vandhu naam thoomalar thoovi thozhudhuvaayinaal paadi manaththinaal sindhikkapoya pizhaiyum pugudharuvaan ninranavumtheeyinil thoosaagum cheppelor embaavaay. Now a doubt arises "Is this enough to be done if we still continue doing sins we can attain moksham?" Yes, these are true words. Thooyamay vandhu- which means with a pure good mind. So If a person does this truly will never commit any further sin but would accept all the punishments due to his bad karma and become a good soul for sure!!!They all have folded lots of informations and sookshamams and this should be given priorities!Any wordings that have affected other's thoughts are deeply regrettedSamarpanam at the lotus-feet of Shri ParthasarathiRegardsSindhu SarathiVenkata krishnan <bcvk71ayyappa sastry <bagawan_sastry; BCVENKATAKRISHNANNewsListgroup <bcvenkatakrishnannewslist >; VFA members group <vfa-members >; Scienceofastrology group ; shaneeswaragroup <shaneeswara >; Ponnappan <oppiliappan >; ; Thirunarayanan K.Raghavan <kkthiru; Pavitra Ramanujam <pavitrar; Vedichistorygroup ; ; Vedantauniversalgroup <vedantauniversal >; astronomy102; Astro-Health-Remedies; "Anand( Las Vegas),(Chennai)" <anand_haran; BARBARA LANDO <friendly_angel32; BALAKRISHNAN <sbcbala; Chandramouli S <chandramouli_s; fhrs_usa ; USBrahmins Group <usbrahmins >; Daniel Salas <admin; Daniel <thegreeenforest; Dr. Sujatha Mohan <sujatha; Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan; Eswaran R.K. <eswaran_ar; Ram Prasad <exnora_ramprasadar7; siva parama <siva_parama2000; Fletch <mr_natural_93; gomatam sureshkumar <gomatam.sureshkumar; Gopal Raghavan <gopal.raghavan; Gopalakrishnan <krg858; govindarajan VC <vcgrajan; Ram Gopal <ramgopal_94; Guruvelavan Natrajan <nguruvel; raj <raj_raju_rajiv; henry adjei <digraft2000; HJS Chennai <chennaihjs; Hope <ambassadorhope; Kashinath Shetti <hjschennai; Raju Iyer <p.rajuiyer; Sampath Iyengar <sampathmalola; Julie <jcam68; ; Abhinav Kadambi <aprameyak_1991; Kaari Maaran Kalai Kaappagam <kaarimaaran; Kannan Veena <kannanveena; Lakshmi Narayanan S <slakshmi1954; Lila <ssmfus; lolita_mist; vasu srinivasan <vammanji; Krishnan R. <lalikri; LUCY MOLI <molirr; Padmanabhan Thothadri <laxmip20022002; Ramjee Lakshmi Narayanan <lramji84; Rangarajan Asuri. L. Ranga <asuri.ranga; Muazzam Khan <kakakhail_textile; Muazzam Khan <muazzamjee; myssteus; Navin Singh <singhnavin; Ali Naji Salim Albekheet <ali19722; Bassey Edet Nkposong <arcnigerialtd; Narasimhan EV <evnarasimhan; nnberi <nnberi; R.K. Ohri Ohri <rkohri; Padmakumar <truepadma; Reena SAI <sunnyami_2000; ronnie <ronnie68ang; Laurie westoven <lauriewest76Fri, 20 November, 2009 3:20:39 PM Re: Wiping of past sins Dear Mr.Ayyappa Sastry, No, scripture states that ones sins will be wiped off by doing Parihara.One has to reap the fruits of One's own action whether Papa or Punya.I was clear in my previous mail that if one seeks the Attonment of One's sins , the very Attonment is itself will become trouble for One.Thereis no synonimforthe word DHARMA in anyother language except Sanskrit.The nearest meaning of the word DHARMA is LAW OF NATURE. DHARMORAKSHATI DHARMAH Meaning: 'Protect the DHARMA, the DHARMA Protected by you will Protect You.For every action there is an equal and opposite action, this is Newtons third Law of Motion. According to the LAW of KARMA one has to reap the fruits of One's own action.Lord KRISHNA in BHAGAVAT GITA clearly says: 'Do your KARMA, meaning Work or Action but do not expect the Fruits of your action, leave the Results of your KARMA unto Me'. Explanation: Perform your Work or Action without attachment to it and do not expect the results of your Work or Action whether it is possitive or negative result, leave the the Results to me I will take care of you.By doing One's Work or Action without attachment to it, and not expecting the Results One will not be happy for ones Punya nor be Sad for One's Papa it will not affect One's Mind and Jivaatma, by attaining Equanimity of Mind though One will certainly reap the fruits of Ones Own Action. As for as Astrology is concerned, for all GRAHAAS, for example Sanaischara they certainly have effect on forms of Life on Earth.The GRAHAAS keepon rotating on their own axis and revolve arround the SUN and the SUN rotates on its own axis and revolves arround the centre of AKAASHGANGA meaning Milkeyway Galaxy.They Grahas meaning Heavenly Bodies perform their work correctly and nonstop.So, what is destined to happen to One will certainly happen and these Parihaara suggested by Astrologers is just for the client's satisfaction and they cant alter what is to happen.So as you asked its a clearly a waste of time to do Parihara to Sanaischara and any other Graha.Astrology is only a Guide to us it does not determine ones future One KARMA determines Ones future and One can over come One's future by One's Willpower and Hardwork. Yours faithfully, B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN . e-mail: bcvk71 ayyappa sastry <bagawan_sastry@ .co. in>bcvk71 Fri, November 20, 2009 2:08:44 PMWiping of past sins Sir,\ If the past sins cannot be wiped by any Means i.e Japa,Tapa,Daana, Archana,Prayer, Havana or by any other means what is the use of Doing all these or atleast worshipping a God in a temple? scriptures are mentioning that sins will be wiped by perfoming these actions.say for example For Sani Dosham " Til Daan"will be given to a brahmin,and in a Temple Tailabisekhsa" will be perfomed.Is it a waste?is that information is wrong?not only hindus but also in other religions also people pray for elief from past sins.Alms giving is in religions.This tradition is being followed by many since timeimmemorial Is this all awaste? plz clarify this doubt of mine. Sd/SASTRY The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. 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Guest guest Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Dear Srimati.Sindhu Sarathi, I agree with you. Yours faithfully, B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN. website: www.vedascience.com e-mail: bcvk71 Venkata krishnan <bcvk71 ; BCVENKATAKRISHNANNewsListgroup <bcvenkatakrishnannewslist >; Thirunarayanan K.Raghavan <kkthiru; Pavitra Ramanujam <pavitrar; vfa-membersCc: Sindhu Sarathi <sindhusarathiSat, November 21, 2009 8:11:50 PMRe: Re: Wiping of past sins Sindhu Sarathi <sindhusarathi Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 11:33:04 AMRe: Re: Wiping of past sins Dear all members, I am a new member to this great group. I am very much interested in participating in this topic. I would like to exhibit few details which I had gathered from great scholars. If there is any thing wrong in my statements then it is my fault but if this is right then the credits goes to those great scholars!Prabathi and saranagathi are the two terms that belongs to not only vaishnavites but every soul that takes its physical form.Prabathi is a spiritual way of one intimating the Lord, his wish of attaining Him. The methods of Prabathi practiced by Shri Vaishnavites are different. Some attain through acharya directly to the Lord and some through acharya via thayar they attain the Lord. Prabathi doesnt mean one will attain the Lord irrespective of sin.A very good example is the Sage's story where he was concentrating on his pet deer inspite of his great tapas and hence attained rebirth as a deer. It sometimes occurs due to maya that when a good soul leaves its physical body it is deprived of thinking to attain the lord- the vaikuntam. Prapathi is thus made to overcome this. when one undergoes sudden death or go unconscious before dying even then he is considered by Lord if he has made an intimation to attain Him in his conscious state -that is prapatti.Saranagathi- is a term which totally abolishes the idea of "I" or the "ego" which means one solely believes that it is the Paramatma who dwells in all the jevas and so attaining this state prevents one from doing sin. But the trend nowadays is saranagathi becomes a religious or a caste concept like baptism!A small note about Gita and Arjuna.Arjuna the most blessed soul made saranagathi to the Lord. He is the only soul to whom the Lord had showed all His courteous nature. But Arjuna didnt ask for Prapathi!! Yes he was worrying about his materialistic bonds and didnt ask for Vaikuntam even though the greatest veda- Bhagvat Gita was explained to him by the Supreme Guru!In Bhagavad Gita 2.7 Arjuna says " Sishyas teham shadhi maam tvaam prapannam I am your disciple and a soul surrendered unto you. Please instruct me" He just surrenderedHere is another interesting story. After dwapara yuga the Lord at vaikuntam was little depressed about Arjuna for his deed. The ornaments of the Lord came to a decision to be born as azhwars and to educate the common man to attain Lord by exhibiting His courteous natures in their splendid paasurams. One can also understand, sometimes the paasurams will be so wild as if to scold the common man that "the Supreme being is awaiting for your surrender but you people are still in maya of this materialistic world". Even thayar- Bhoomi piratti also decided to be born as Andal and gave the incomparable thiruppavai. Being Bhoomadevi she recollects what Lord had told her in Varaha avatar and given it as thiruppavai, which intimates us to do as directed by the Lord to get relieved from past karmas!A small narration of the events that occured in VARAHA AVATAR.In Varaha avatar the Lord saves Bhoodevi from the asura and consoles her by keeping in His lap. Even then she trembles and the Lord again consoles her "Hey Devi you are safe in my lap and why are you still scared?" Thayar replies "Oh my Lord I am always worried about our poor children who still suffer from karma. When are you going to relieve them and give them the safest place of dwelling near you?"The Lord replies "To wipe ones past sins, one need not roam from temple to temple. They can be where they are but should just do 3 things1 uttering my naamam in their lips2 doing archanai to me with their hands - even a simple sugantham flower is enough3 thinking me truly and deeply in their mind that is enough for them to conquer me"Here is the following pasuram from Bhoodevi to support the incident Maayanai mannu vada madhurai maindhanai thooya peru neer yamunai thuraivanai aayar kulaththinil thonrum ani vilakkai thaayai kudal vilakkam seydha dhaamodharanai thooyomaay vandhu naam thoomalar thoovi thozhudhu vaayinaal paadi manaththinaal sindhikka poya pizhaiyum pugudharuvaan ninranavum theeyinil thoosaagum cheppelor embaavaay.Now a doubt arises "Is this enough to be done if we still continue doing sins we can attain moksham?" Yes, these are true words. Thooyamay vandhu- which means with a pure good mind. So If a person does this truly will never commit any further sin but would accept all the punishments due to his bad karma and become a good soul for sure!!!They all have folded lots of informations and sookshamams and this should be given priorities! Any wordings that have affected other's thoughts are deeply regrettedSamarpanam at the lotus-feet of Shri ParthasarathiRegardsSindhu Sarathi Venkata krishnan <bcvk71 >ayyappa sastry <bagawan_sastry@ .co. in>; BCVENKATAKRISHNANNe wsListgroup <bcvenkatakrishnanne wslist@grou ps.com>; VFA members group <vfa-members>; Scienceofastrology group <>; shaneeswaragroup <shaneeswara>; Ponnappan <oppiliappan>; ; Thirunarayanan K.Raghavan <kkthiru (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Pavitra Ramanujam <pavitrar (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Vedichistorygroup <>; ; Vedantauniversalgro up <vedantauniversal>; astronomy102@ ; Astro-Health- Remedies@ . co.in; "Anand( Las Vegas),(Chennai) " <anand_haran@ >; BARBARA LANDO <friendly_angel32@ >; BALAKRISHNAN <sbcbala (AT) (DOT) co.in>; Chandramouli S <chandramouli_ s (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; fhrs_usa@ s.com; USBrahmins Group <usbrahmins@gro ups.com>; Daniel Salas <admin (AT) indoeurohome (DOT) com>; Daniel <thegreeenforest@ hotmail.com>; Dr. Sujatha Mohan <sujatha (AT) rcai (DOT) riken.jp>; Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan (AT) computer (DOT) net>; Eswaran R.K. <eswaran_ar >; Ram Prasad <exnora_ramprasadar7 @.co. in>; siva parama <siva_parama2000@ >; Fletch <mr_natural_93@ >; gomatam sureshkumar <gomatam.sureshkumar @rediffmail. com>; Gopal Raghavan <gopal.raghavan@ gmail.com>; Gopalakrishnan <krg858 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; govindarajan VC <vcgrajan (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Ram Gopal <ramgopal_94@ >; Guruvelavan Natrajan <nguruvel >; raj <raj_raju_rajiv@ >; henry adjei <digraft2000@ >; HJS Chennai <chennaihjs (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Hope <ambassadorhope@ ymail.com>; Kashinath Shetti <hjschennai (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Raju Iyer <p.rajuiyer (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Sampath Iyengar <sampathmalola@ gmail.com>; Julie <jcam68 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; ; Abhinav Kadambi <aprameyak_1991@ .co. in>; Kaari Maaran Kalai Kaappagam <kaarimaaran@ gmail.com>; Kannan Veena <kannanveena@ .co. in>; Lakshmi Narayanan S <slakshmi1954@ gmail.com>; Lila <ssmfus >; lolita_mist@ ; vasu srinivasan <vammanji (AT) (DOT) co.in>; Krishnan R. <lalikri (AT) aol (DOT) com>; LUCY MOLI <molirr >; Padmanabhan Thothadri <laxmip20022002@ .co. in>; Ramjee Lakshmi Narayanan <lramji84 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Rangarajan Asuri. L. Ranga <asuri.ranga@ gmail.com>; Muazzam Khan <kakakhail_textile@ >; Muazzam Khan <muazzamjee >; myssteus ; Navin Singh <singhnavin >; Ali Naji Salim Albekheet <ali19722 >; Bassey Edet Nkposong <arcnigerialtd@ >; Narasimhan EV <evnarasimhan@ .co. in>; nnberi <nnberi (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; R.K. Ohri Ohri <rkohri (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Padmakumar <truepadma >; Reena SAI <sunnyami_2000@ >; ronnie <ronnie68ang@ . sg>; Laurie westoven <lauriewest76@ hotmail.com>Fri, 20 November, 2009 3:20:39 PM Re: Wiping of past sins Dear Mr.Ayyappa Sastry, No, scripture states that ones sins will be wiped off by doing Parihara.One has to reap the fruits of One's own action whether Papa or Punya.I was clear in my previous mail that if one seeks the Attonment of One's sins , the very Attonment is itself will become trouble for One.Thereis no synonimforthe word DHARMA in anyother language except Sanskrit.The nearest meaning of the word DHARMA is LAW OF NATURE. DHARMORAKSHATI DHARMAH Meaning: 'Protect the DHARMA, the DHARMA Protected by you will Protect You.For every action there is an equal and opposite action, this is Newtons third Law of Motion. According to the LAW of KARMA one has to reap the fruits of One's own action.Lord KRISHNA in BHAGAVAT GITA clearly says: 'Do your KARMA, meaning Work or Action but do not expect the Fruits of your action, leave the Results of your KARMA unto Me'. Explanation: Perform your Work or Action without attachment to it and do not expect the results of your Work or Action whether it is possitive or negative result, leave the the Results to me I will take care of you.By doing One's Work or Action without attachment to it, and not expecting the Results One will not be happy for ones Punya nor be Sad for One's Papa it will not affect One's Mind and Jivaatma, by attaining Equanimity of Mind though One will certainly reap the fruits of Ones Own Action. As for as Astrology is concerned, for all GRAHAAS, for example Sanaischara they certainly have effect on forms of Life on Earth.The GRAHAAS keepon rotating on their own axis and revolve arround the SUN and the SUN rotates on its own axis and revolves arround the centre of AKAASHGANGA meaning Milkeyway Galaxy.They Grahas meaning Heavenly Bodies perform their work correctly and nonstop.So, what is destined to happen to One will certainly happen and these Parihaara suggested by Astrologers is just for the client's satisfaction and they cant alter what is to happen.So as you asked its a clearly a waste of time to do Parihara to Sanaischara and any other Graha.Astrology is only a Guide to us it does not determine ones future One KARMA determines Ones future and One can over come One's future by One's Willpower and Hardwork. Yours faithfully, B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN . e-mail: bcvk71 ayyappa sastry <bagawan_sastry@ .co. in>bcvk71 Fri, November 20, 2009 2:08:44 PMWiping of past sins Sir,\ If the past sins cannot be wiped by any Means i.e Japa,Tapa,Daana, Archana,Prayer, Havana or by any other means what is the use of Doing all these or atleast worshipping a God in a temple? scriptures are mentioning that sins will be wiped by perfoming these actions.say for example For Sani Dosham " Til Daan"will be given to a brahmin,and in a Temple Tailabisekhsa" will be perfomed.Is it a waste?is that information is wrong?not only hindus but also in other religions also people pray for elief from past sins.Alms giving is in religions.This tradition is being followed by many since timeimmemorial Is this all awaste? plz clarify this doubt of mine. Sd/SASTRY The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. 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Guest guest Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Thanks for nice narration. Bhagavad-Gita is not just for Srivaishnavas. It is a universal eternal truth. Everything in it including BG18:66 is or everyone. Non-denominational and universal. Also, no need to debate or discuss the promise of Bg18:66 as is often done. I agree with you 100% that anyone can do this without any mediation. However, if someone wants to use mediations, Lord will forgive and accept that as well! Your story about a yogi (jaDa Bharata) getting infatuated with deer is not exactly appropriate in the context of BG18:66. " Yogi " does not automatically mean that prapatti has occured. In BG we hear of yogis who depart in Dakshinayana come back (perhas to serve as guide posts to others?) and yogis who depart in uttarayana do not return. These are yogis- realized souls- they have figured it out. However, prapatti can be done by a yogi as well as an ayogi (ayogya). It is quite clear a sudurachaari can do prapatti and attains moksha upon his or her departure. But everyone who has done prapatti ALSO have to endure their karma as long as they are alive. Only difference is that once they depart, they won't return. KST Sindhu Sarathi <sindhusarathi Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:03 am Re: Re: Wiping of past sins Dear all members,  I am a new member to this great group. I am very much interested in participating in this topic. I would like to exhibit few details which I had gathered from great scholars. If there is any thing wrong in my statements then it is my fault but if this is right then the credits goes to those great scholars! Prabathi and saranagathi are the two terms that belongs to not only vaishnavites but every soul that takes its physical form. Prabathi is a spiritual way of one intimating the Lord, his wish of attaining Him. The methods of Prabathi practiced by Shri Vaishnavites are different. Some attain through acharya directly to the Lord and some through acharya via thayar they attain the Lord. Prabathi doesnt mean one will attain the Lord irrespective of sin. A very good example is the Sage's story where he was concentrating on his pet deer inspite of his great tapas and hence attained rebirth as a deer. It sometimes occurs due to maya that when a good soul leaves its physical body it is deprived of thinking to attain the lord- the vaikuntam. Prapathi is thus made to overcome this. when one undergoes sudden death or go unconscious before dying even then he is considered by Lord if he has made an intimation to attain Him in his conscious state -that is prapatti. Saranagathi- is a term which totally abolishes the idea of " I " or the " ego " which means one solely believes that it is the Paramatma who dwells in all the jevas and so attaining this state prevents one from doing sin. But the trend nowadays is saranagathi becomes a religious or a caste concept like baptism! A small note about Gita and Arjuna. Arjuna the most blessed soul made saranagathi to the Lord. He is theonly soul to whom the Lord had showed all His courteous nature. ButArjuna didnt ask for Prapathi!! Yes he was worrying about hismaterialistic bonds and didnt ask for Vaikuntam even though the greatestveda- Bhagvat Gita was explained to him by the Supreme Guru! In Bhagavad Gita 2.7 Arjuna says " Sishyas teham shadhi maam tvaam prapannam " " I am your disciple and a soul surrendered unto you. Please instruct me " He just surrenderedHere is another interesting story. After dwapara yuga the Lord atvaikuntam was little depressed about Arjuna for his deed. The ornamentsof the Lord came to a decision to be born as azhwars and to educatethe common man to attain Lord by exhibiting His courteous natures intheir splendid paasurams. One can also understand, sometimes the paasuramswill be so wild as if to scold the common man that " the Supreme beingis awaiting for your surrender but you people are still in maya of thismaterialistic world " . Even thayar- Bhoomi piratti also decided to beborn as Andal and gave the incomparable thiruppavai. Being Bhoomadevishe recollects what Lord had told her in Varaha avatar and given it asthiruppavai, which intimates us to do as directed by the Lord to getrelieved from past karmas! A small narration of the events that occured in VARAHA AVATAR. In Varaha avatar the Lord saves Bhoodevi from the asura and consolesher by keeping in His lap. Even then she trembles and the Lord againconsoles her " Hey Devi you are safe in my lap and why are you stillscared? " Thayar replies " Oh my Lord I am always worried about our poorchildren who still suffer from karma. When are you going to relieve themand give them the safest place of dwelling near you? " The Lord replies " To wipe ones past sins, one need not roam from templeto temple. They can be where they are but should just do 3 things 1 uttering my naamam in their lips 2 doing archanai to me with their hands - even a simple sugantham flower is enough 3 thinking me truly and deeply in their mind that is enough for them to conquer me " Here is the following pasuram from Bhoodevito support the incident Maayanai mannu vada madhurai maindhanai thooya peru neer yamunai thuraivanai aayar kulaththinil thonrum ani vilakkai thaayai kudal vilakkam seydha dhaamodharanai thooyomaay vandhu naam thoomalar thoovi thozhudhu vaayinaal paadi manaththinaal sindhikka poya pizhaiyum pugudharuvaan ninranavum theeyinil thoosaagum cheppelor embaavaay. Now a doubt arises " Is this enough to be done if we still continue doing sins we can attain moksham? " Yes, these are true words. Thooyamay vandhu- which means with a pure good mind. So If a person does this truly will never commit any further sin but would accept all the punishments due to his bad karma and become a good soul for sure!!! They all have folded lots of informations and sookshamams and this should be given priorities! 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L. Ranga <asuri.ranga; Muazzam Khan <kakakhail_textile; Muazzam Khan <muazzamjee; myssteus; Navin Singh <singhnavin; Ali Naji Salim Albekheet <ali19722; Bassey Edet Nkposong <arcnigerialtd; Narasimhan EV <evnarasimhan; nnberi <nnberi; R.K. Ohri Ohri <rkohri; Padmakumar <truepadma; Reena SAI <sunnyami_2000; ronnie <ronnie68ang; Laurie westoven <lauriewest76 Fri, 20 November, 2009 3:20:39 PM Re: Wiping of past sins Dear Mr.Ayyappa Sastry,                                       No, scripture states that ones sins will be wiped off by doing Parihara.One has to reap the fruits of One's own action whether Papa or Punya.I was clear in my previous mail that if one seeks the Attonment of One's sins , the very Attonment is itself will become trouble for One.Thereis no synonimforthe word DHARMA in anyother language except Sanskrit.The nearest meaning of the word DHARMA is LAW OF NATURE. DHARMORAKSHATI DHARMAH Meaning: 'Protect the DHARMA, the DHARMA Protected by you will Protect You.For every action there is an equal and opposite action, this is Newtons third Law of Motion. According to the LAW of KARMA one has to reap the fruits of One's own action.Lord KRISHNA in BHAGAVAT GITA clearly says:                                         \           'Do your KARMA, meaning Work or Action but do not expect the Fruits of  your action, leave the Results of your KARMA unto Me'. Explanation:                   Perform your Work or Action without attachment to it and do not expect the results of your Work or Action whether it is possitive or negative result, leave the the Results to me I will take care of you.By doing One's Work or Action without attachment to it, and not expecting the Results One will not be happy for ones Punya nor be Sad for One's Papa it will not affect One's Mind and Jivaatma, by attaining Equanimity of Mind though One will certainly reap the fruits of Ones Own Action. As for as Astrology is concerned, for all GRAHAAS, for example Sanaischara they certainly have effect on forms of Life on Earth.The GRAHAAS keepon rotating on their own axis and revolve arround the SUN and the SUN rotates on its own axis and revolves arround the centre of AKAASHGANGA meaning Milkeyway Galaxy.They Grahas meaning Heavenly Bodies perform their work correctly and nonstop.So, what is destined to happen to One will certainly happen and these Parihaara suggested by Astrologers is just for the client's satisfaction and they cant alter what is to happen.So as you asked its a clearly a waste of time to do Parihara to Sanaischara and any other Graha.Astrology is only a Guide to us it does not determine ones future One KARMA determines Ones future and One can over come One's future by One's Willpower and Hardwork. Yours faithfully, B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN . e-mail: bcvk71     --------------------------- ayyappa sastry <bagawan_sastry@ .co. in> bcvk71 Fri, November 20, 2009 2:08:44 PM Wiping of past sins Sir,\    If the past sins cannot be wiped by any Means i.e Japa,Tapa,Daana, Archana,Prayer, Havana or by any other means what is the use of Doing all these or atleast worshipping a God in a temple? scriptures are mentioning that sins will be wiped by perfoming these actions.say for example For Sani Dosham " Til Daan " will be given to a brahmin,and in a Temple Tailabisekhsa " will be perfomed.Is it a waste?is that information is wrong?not only hindus but also in other religions also people pray for elief from past sins.Alms giving is in religions.This tradition is being followed by many since timeimmemorial Is this all awaste? plz clarify this doubt of mine. Sd/SASTRY --------------------------- The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Namaskaram to allThe concept of yogi and deer is not example for prapathi. It is just to make understand that during death due to maya we sometimes dont think of attaining the Lord and only material bonds appears in the mind. Prapathi at that stage helps us.The BG verse is just to inform that Arjuna surrendered to the Lord to rescue him during tough situations!I also agree that Prapathi doesnt mean one could be relieved of his karma effect. I would like to present a few answers given by a great scholar Prapathi is not an ordinary concept. It is a great promise a soul does to the nature!One, who does prapatti, must do the following:1. He must decide to do hereafter, only what will be pleasing to the Lord, as laid down by the sastras.2. He must avoid doing, whatever will be displeasing to the Lord; namely, what is prohibited by sastras.3. Faith is most important. He must have absolute faith that the Lord will save him and grant him moksha.4. He must be aware that he does not have the capacity or capability, to attain salvation, by his own efforts.5. He must positively pray to the Lord, to save him and grant him salvation.Now are all Karmas being wiped by Prapathi. What is the answer to the good karmas for whioch we would enjoy in the next birth!?There are two types of karmas. (1) The first type are those which have started yielding fruits. In other words, the person has to experience the pleasures and pains, for the past karmas, which have started yielding fruits (Prarabdha Karma).(2) The second type of karmas are those which have been kept aside by the Lord. They have not yet begun to yield fruits, good or bad (Sanchita karma).So, when a man does prapatti, the second type of karmas, namely, those which have not begun to yield fruits, are destroyed altogether.The first type of karmas, namely, those which have begun to yield fruits, good or bad, will continue, only so long as the person’s present life lasts.The person, after performing prapatti, may commit sins 1) either deliberately or 2) by oversight (without being aware that he is committing sins).1) If a person commits sins, without being aware of the same, then these sins will be ignored by the Lord: since these sins were not committed purposely or deliberately.2) If the person commits sins deliberately, due to the weakness of human nature, then he should do prayaschitta or atonement, for having committed them.(My sincere pranams to Shri V.N.Gopala Desikan)Then the Lord will punish him in this life itself, before his death, in some way or other..So Prapathi is not just a way to attain God it is a vow of dharma taken by a soul in which we promise that we wont perform sins deliberately and accepts the nature's punishment to experience the bad karma so that it is subtracted in his birth thereby preventing birth any more.So it is just putting the application where the result is confirmed - attaining GOD. But the course of study is really difficult because the countdown starts to counter the bad karmas as we have to experience its effect in one jenma itself because we had requested for no further births!! (As if appearing for our XII board exam in our I std where the result is always pass but the course of study is difficult- This is just an example!)So people who had done prapathi should lead a very disciplined life as promised to the LordSamarpanam at the lotus-feet of Shri Parthasarathi Regards Sindhu Sarathi Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar Sent: Sat, 21 November, 2009 8:41:16 PMRe: Re: Wiping of past sins Thanks for nice narration. Bhagavad-Gita is not just for Srivaishnavas. It is a universal eternal truth. Everything in it including BG18:66 is or everyone. Non-denominational and universal. Also, no need to debate or discuss the promise of Bg18:66 as is often done. I agree with you 100% that anyone can do this without any mediation. However, if someone wants to use mediations, Lord will forgive and accept that as well! Your story about a yogi (jaDa Bharata) getting infatuated with deer is not exactly appropriate in the context of BG18:66. "Yogi" does not automatically mean that prapatti has occured. In BG we hear of yogis who depart in Dakshinayana come back (perhas to serve as guide posts to others?) and yogis who depart in uttarayana do not return. These are yogis- realized souls- they have figured it out. However, prapatti can be done by a yogi as well as an ayogi (ayogya). It is quite clear a sudurachaari can do prapatti and attains moksha upon his or her departure. But everyone who has done prapatti ALSO have to endure their karma as long as they are alive. Only difference is that once they depart, they won't return. KST Sindhu Sarathi <sindhusarathi@ > Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:03 am Re: Re: Wiping of past sins Dear all members, I am a new member to this great group. I am very much interested in participating in this topic. I would like to exhibit few details which I had gathered from great scholars. If there is any thing wrong in my statements then it is my fault but if this is right then the credits goes to those great scholars! Prabathi and saranagathi are the two terms that belongs to not only vaishnavites but every soul that takes its physical form. Prabathi is a spiritual way of one intimating the Lord, his wish of attaining Him. The methods of Prabathi practiced by Shri Vaishnavites are different. Some attain through acharya directly to the Lord and some through acharya via thayar they attain the Lord. Prabathi doesnt mean one will attain the Lord irrespective of sin. A very good example is the Sage's story where he was concentrating on his pet deer inspite of his great tapas and hence attained rebirth as a deer. It sometimes occurs due to maya that when a good soul leaves its physical body it is deprived of thinking to attain the lord- the vaikuntam. Prapathi is thus made to overcome this. when one undergoes sudden death or go unconscious before dying even then he is considered by Lord if he has made an intimation to attain Him in his conscious state -that is prapatti. Saranagathi- is a term which totally abolishes the idea of "I" or the "ego" which means one solely believes that it is the Paramatma who dwells in all the jevas and so attaining this state prevents one from doing sin. But the trend nowadays is saranagathi becomes a religious or a caste concept like baptism! A small note about Gita and Arjuna. Arjuna the most blessed soul made saranagathi to the Lord. He is theonly soul to whom the Lord had showed all His courteous nature. ButArjuna didnt ask for Prapathi!! Yes he was worrying about hismaterialistic bonds and didnt ask for Vaikuntam even though the greatestveda- Bhagvat Gita was explained to him by the Supreme Guru! In Bhagavad Gita 2.7 Arjuna says " Sishyas teham shadhi maam tvaam prapannam I am your disciple and a soul surrendered unto you. Please instruct me" He just surrenderedHere is another interesting story. After dwapara yuga the Lord atvaikuntam was little depressed about Arjuna for his deed. The ornamentsof the Lord came to a decision to be born as azhwars and to educatethe common man to attain Lord by exhibiting His courteous natures intheir splendid paasurams. One can also understand, sometimes the paasuramswill be so wild as if to scold the common man that "the Supreme beingis awaiting for your surrender but you people are still in maya of thismaterialistic world". Even thayar- Bhoomi piratti also decided to beborn as Andal and gave the incomparable thiruppavai. Being Bhoomadevishe recollects what Lord had told her in Varaha avatar and given it asthiruppavai, which intimates us to do as directed by the Lord to getrelieved from past karmas! A small narration of the events that occured in VARAHA AVATAR. In Varaha avatar the Lord saves Bhoodevi from the asura and consolesher by keeping in His lap. Even then she trembles and the Lord againconsoles her "Hey Devi you are safe in my lap and why are you stillscared? " Thayar replies "Oh my Lord I am always worried about our poorchildren who still suffer from karma. When are you going to relieve themand give them the safest place of dwelling near you?" The Lord replies "To wipe ones past sins, one need not roam from templeto temple. They can be where they are but should just do 3 things 1 uttering my naamam in their lips 2 doing archanai to me with their hands - even a simple sugantham flower is enough 3 thinking me truly and deeply in their mind that is enough for them to conquer me" Here is the following pasuram from Bhoodevito support the incident Maayanai mannu vada madhurai maindhanai thooya peru neer yamunai thuraivanai aayar kulaththinil thonrum ani vilakkai thaayai kudal vilakkam seydha dhaamodharanai thooyomaay vandhu naam thoomalar thoovi thozhudhu vaayinaal paadi manaththinaal sindhikka poya pizhaiyum pugudharuvaan ninranavum theeyinil thoosaagum cheppelor embaavaay. Now a doubt arises "Is this enough to be done if we still continue doing sins we can attain moksham?" Yes, these are true words. Thooyamay vandhu- which means with a pure good mind. So If a person does this truly will never commit any further sin but would accept all the punishments due to his bad karma and become a good soul for sure!!! They all have folded lots of informations and sookshamams and this should be given priorities! 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L. Ranga <asuri.ranga@ gmail.com>; Muazzam Khan <kakakhail_textile@ >; Muazzam Khan <muazzamjee >; myssteus ; Navin Singh <singhnavin >; Ali Naji Salim Albekheet <ali19722 >; Bassey Edet Nkposong <arcnigerialtd@ >; Narasimhan EV <evnarasimhan@ .co. in>; nnberi <nnberi (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; R.K. Ohri Ohri <rkohri (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Padmakumar <truepadma >; Reena SAI <sunnyami_2000@ >; ronnie <ronnie68ang@ . sg>; Laurie westoven <lauriewest76@ hotmail.com> Fri, 20 November, 2009 3:20:39 PM Re: Wiping of past sins Dear Mr.Ayyappa Sastry, No, scripture states that ones sins will be wiped off by doing Parihara.One has to reap the fruits of One's own action whether Papa or Punya.I was clear in my previous mail that if one seeks the Attonment of One's sins , the very Attonment is itself will become trouble for One.Thereis no synonimforthe word DHARMA in anyother language except Sanskrit.The nearest meaning of the word DHARMA is LAW OF NATURE. DHARMORAKSHATI DHARMAH Meaning: 'Protect the DHARMA, the DHARMA Protected by you will Protect You.For every action there is an equal and opposite action, this is Newtons third Law of Motion. According to the LAW of KARMA one has to reap the fruits of One's own action.Lord KRISHNA in BHAGAVAT GITA clearly says: 'Do your KARMA, meaning Work or Action but do not expect the Fruits of your action, leave the Results of your KARMA unto Me'. Explanation: Perform your Work or Action without attachment to it and do not expect the results of your Work or Action whether it is possitive or negative result, leave the the Results to me I will take care of you.By doing One's Work or Action without attachment to it, and not expecting the Results One will not be happy for ones Punya nor be Sad for One's Papa it will not affect One's Mind and Jivaatma, by attaining Equanimity of Mind though One will certainly reap the fruits of Ones Own Action. As for as Astrology is concerned, for all GRAHAAS, for example Sanaischara they certainly have effect on forms of Life on Earth.The GRAHAAS keepon rotating on their own axis and revolve arround the SUN and the SUN rotates on its own axis and revolves arround the centre of AKAASHGANGA meaning Milkeyway Galaxy.They Grahas meaning Heavenly Bodies perform their work correctly and nonstop.So, what is destined to happen to One will certainly happen and these Parihaara suggested by Astrologers is just for the client's satisfaction and they cant alter what is to happen.So as you asked its a clearly a waste of time to do Parihara to Sanaischara and any other Graha.Astrology is only a Guide to us it does not determine ones future One KARMA determines Ones future and One can over come One's future by One's Willpower and Hardwork. Yours faithfully, B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN . e-mail: bcvk71 ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - ayyappa sastry <bagawan_sastry@ .co. in> bcvk71 Fri, November 20, 2009 2:08:44 PM Wiping of past sins Sir,\ If the past sins cannot be wiped by any Means i.e Japa,Tapa,Daana, Archana,Prayer, Havana or by any other means what is the use of Doing all these or atleast worshipping a God in a temple? scriptures are mentioning that sins will be wiped by perfoming these actions.say for example For Sani Dosham " Til Daan"will be given to a brahmin,and in a Temple Tailabisekhsa" will be perfomed.Is it a waste?is that information is wrong?not only hindus but also in other religions also people pray for elief from past sins.Alms giving is in religions.This tradition is being followed by many since timeimmemorial Is this all awaste? plz clarify this doubt of mine. Sd/SASTRY ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Dear Sindhu Sarathi: Namaskaram. You have given your views very crystal clear. What you have mentioned is true. All Acharyals, Azhwars, Nayamargal, etc. had a common goal that common man should come out of all clutches of sins. Andal's pasuram mentioned in your mail is an example. You have put it in a simple way.Thanks & regards.Sundaram--- On Sat, 21/11/09, Sindhu Sarathi <sindhusarathi wrote:Sindhu Sarathi <sindhusarathiRe: Re: Wiping of past sins Date: Saturday, 21 November, 2009, 11:33 AM Dear all members, I am a new member to this great group. I am very much interested in participating in this topic. I would like to exhibit few details which I had gathered from great scholars. If there is any thing wrong in my statements then it is my fault but if this is right then the credits goes to those great scholars!Prabathi and saranagathi are the two terms that belongs to not only vaishnavites but every soul that takes its physical form.Prabathi is a spiritual way of one intimating the Lord, his wish of attaining Him. The methods of Prabathi practiced by Shri Vaishnavites are different. Some attain through acharya directly to the Lord and some through acharya via thayar they attain the Lord. Prabathi doesnt mean one will attain the Lord irrespective of sin.A very good example is the Sage's story where he was concentrating on his pet deer inspite of his great tapas and hence attained rebirth as a deer. It sometimes occurs due to maya that when a good soul leaves its physical body it is deprived of thinking to attain the lord- the vaikuntam. Prapathi is thus made to overcome this. when one undergoes sudden death or go unconscious before dying even then he is considered by Lord if he has made an intimation to attain Him in his conscious state -that is prapatti.Saranagathi- is a term which totally abolishes the idea of "I" or the "ego" which means one solely believes that it is the Paramatma who dwells in all the jevas and so attaining this state prevents one from doing sin. But the trend nowadays is saranagathi becomes a religious or a caste concept like baptism!A small note about Gita and Arjuna. Arjuna the most blessed soul made saranagathi to the Lord. He is the only soul to whom the Lord had showed all His courteous nature. But Arjuna didnt ask for Prapathi!! Yes he was worrying about his materialistic bonds and didnt ask for Vaikuntam even though the greatest veda- Bhagvat Gita was explained to him by the Supreme Guru!In Bhagavad Gita 2.7 Arjuna says " Sishyas teham shadhi maam tvaam prapannam" " I am your disciple and a soul surrendered unto you. Please instruct me" He just surrenderedHere is another interesting story. After dwapara yuga the Lord at vaikuntam was little depressed about Arjuna for his deed. The ornaments of the Lord came to a decision to be born as azhwars and to educate the common man to attain Lord by exhibiting His courteous natures in their splendid paasurams. One can also understand, sometimes the paasurams will be so wild as if to scold the common man that "the Supreme being is awaiting for your surrender but you people are still in maya of this materialistic world". Even thayar- Bhoomi piratti also decided to be born as Andal and gave the incomparable thiruppavai. Being Bhoomadevi she recollects what Lord had told her in Varaha avatar and given it as thiruppavai, which intimates us to do as directed by the Lord to get relieved from past karmas!A small narration of the events that occured in VARAHA AVATAR. In Varaha avatar the Lord saves Bhoodevi from the asura and consoles her by keeping in His lap. Even then she trembles and the Lord again consoles her "Hey Devi you are safe in my lap and why are you still scared?" Thayar replies "Oh my Lord I am always worried about our poor children who still suffer from karma. When are you going to relieve them and give them the safest place of dwelling near you?" The Lord replies "To wipe ones past sins, one need not roam from temple to temple. They can be where they are but should just do 3 things 1 uttering my naamam in their lips 2 doing archanai to me with their hands - even a simple sugantham flower is enough 3 thinking me truly and deeply in their mind that is enough for them to conquer me" Here is the following pasuram from Bhoodevi to support the incident Maayanai mannu vada madhurai maindhanaithooya peru neer yamunai thuraivanaiaayar kulaththinil thonrum ani vilakkaithaayai kudal vilakkam seydha dhaamodharanaithooyomaay vandhu naam thoomalar thoovi thozhudhuvaayinaal paadi manaththinaal sindhikkapoya pizhaiyum pugudharuvaan ninranavumtheeyinil thoosaagum cheppelor embaavaay. Now a doubt arises "Is this enough to be done if we still continue doing sins we can attain moksham?" Yes, these are true words. Thooyamay vandhu- which means with a pure good mind. So If a person does this truly will never commit any further sin but would accept all the punishments due to his bad karma and become a good soul for sure!!!They all have folded lots of informations and sookshamams and this should be given priorities!Any wordings that have affected other's thoughts are deeply regrettedSamarpanam at the lotus-feet of Shri ParthasarathiRegardsSindhu SarathiVenkata krishnan <bcvk71 >ayyappa sastry <bagawan_sastry@ .co. in>; BCVENKATAKRISHNANNe wsListgroup <bcvenkatakrishnanne wslist@grou ps.com>; VFA members group <vfa-members>; Scienceofastrology group <>; shaneeswaragroup <shaneeswara>; Ponnappan <oppiliappan>; ; Thirunarayanan K.Raghavan <kkthiru (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Pavitra Ramanujam <pavitrar (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Vedichistorygroup <>; ; Vedantauniversalgro up <vedantauniversal>; astronomy102@ ; Astro-Health- Remedies@ . co.in; "Anand( Las Vegas),(Chennai) " <anand_haran@ >; BARBARA LANDO <friendly_angel32@ >; BALAKRISHNAN <sbcbala (AT) (DOT) co.in>; Chandramouli S <chandramouli_ s (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; fhrs_usa@ s.com; USBrahmins Group <usbrahmins@gro ups.com>; Daniel Salas <admin (AT) indoeurohome (DOT) com>; Daniel <thegreeenforest@ hotmail.com>; Dr. Sujatha Mohan <sujatha (AT) rcai (DOT) riken.jp>; Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan (AT) computer (DOT) net>; Eswaran R.K. <eswaran_ar >; Ram Prasad <exnora_ramprasadar7 @.co. in>; siva parama <siva_parama2000@ >; Fletch <mr_natural_93@ >; gomatam sureshkumar <gomatam.sureshkumar @rediffmail. com>; Gopal Raghavan <gopal.raghavan@ gmail.com>; Gopalakrishnan <krg858 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; govindarajan VC <vcgrajan (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Ram Gopal <ramgopal_94@ >; Guruvelavan Natrajan <nguruvel >; raj <raj_raju_rajiv@ >; henry adjei <digraft2000@ >; HJS Chennai <chennaihjs (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Hope <ambassadorhope@ ymail.com>; Kashinath Shetti <hjschennai (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Raju Iyer <p.rajuiyer (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Sampath Iyengar <sampathmalola@ gmail.com>; Julie <jcam68 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; ; Abhinav Kadambi <aprameyak_1991@ .co. in>; Kaari Maaran Kalai Kaappagam <kaarimaaran@ gmail.com>; Kannan Veena <kannanveena@ .co. in>; Lakshmi Narayanan S <slakshmi1954@ gmail.com>; Lila <ssmfus >; lolita_mist@ ; vasu srinivasan <vammanji (AT) (DOT) co.in>; Krishnan R. <lalikri (AT) aol (DOT) com>; LUCY MOLI <molirr >; Padmanabhan Thothadri <laxmip20022002@ .co. in>; Ramjee Lakshmi Narayanan <lramji84 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Rangarajan Asuri. L. Ranga <asuri.ranga@ gmail.com>; Muazzam Khan <kakakhail_textile@ >; Muazzam Khan <muazzamjee >; myssteus ; Navin Singh <singhnavin >; Ali Naji Salim Albekheet <ali19722 >; Bassey Edet Nkposong <arcnigerialtd@ >; Narasimhan EV <evnarasimhan@ .co. in>; nnberi <nnberi (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; R.K. Ohri Ohri <rkohri (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Padmakumar <truepadma >; Reena SAI <sunnyami_2000@ >; ronnie <ronnie68ang@ . sg>; Laurie westoven <lauriewest76@ hotmail.com>Fri, 20 November, 2009 3:20:39 PM Re: Wiping of past sins Dear Mr.Ayyappa Sastry, No, scripture states that ones sins will be wiped off by doing Parihara.One has to reap the fruits of One's own action whether Papa or Punya.I was clear in my previous mail that if one seeks the Attonment of One's sins , the very Attonment is itself will become trouble for One.Thereis no synonimforthe word DHARMA in anyother language except Sanskrit.The nearest meaning of the word DHARMA is LAW OF NATURE. DHARMORAKSHATI DHARMAH Meaning: 'Protect the DHARMA, the DHARMA Protected by you will Protect You.For every action there is an equal and opposite action, this is Newtons third Law of Motion. According to the LAW of KARMA one has to reap the fruits of One's own action.Lord KRISHNA in BHAGAVAT GITA clearly says: 'Do your KARMA, meaning Work or Action but do not expect the Fruits of your action, leave the Results of your KARMA unto Me'. Explanation: Perform your Work or Action without attachment to it and do not expect the results of your Work or Action whether it is possitive or negative result, leave the the Results to me I will take care of you.By doing One's Work or Action without attachment to it, and not expecting the Results One will not be happy for ones Punya nor be Sad for One's Papa it will not affect One's Mind and Jivaatma, by attaining Equanimity of Mind though One will certainly reap the fruits of Ones Own Action. As for as Astrology is concerned, for all GRAHAAS, for example Sanaischara they certainly have effect on forms of Life on Earth.The GRAHAAS keepon rotating on their own axis and revolve arround the SUN and the SUN rotates on its own axis and revolves arround the centre of AKAASHGANGA meaning Milkeyway Galaxy.They Grahas meaning Heavenly Bodies perform their work correctly and nonstop.So, what is destined to happen to One will certainly happen and these Parihaara suggested by Astrologers is just for the client's satisfaction and they cant alter what is to happen.So as you asked its a clearly a waste of time to do Parihara to Sanaischara and any other Graha.Astrology is only a Guide to us it does not determine ones future One KARMA determines Ones future and One can over come One's future by One's Willpower and Hardwork. Yours faithfully, B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN . e-mail: bcvk71 ayyappa sastry <bagawan_sastry@ .co. in>bcvk71 Fri, November 20, 2009 2:08:44 PMWiping of past sins Sir,\ If the past sins cannot be wiped by any Means i.e Japa,Tapa,Daana, Archana,Prayer, Havana or by any other means what is the use of Doing all these or atleast worshipping a God in a temple? scriptures are mentioning that sins will be wiped by perfoming these actions.say for example For Sani Dosham " Til Daan"will be given to a brahmin,and in a Temple Tailabisekhsa" will be perfomed.Is it a waste?is that information is wrong?not only hindus but also in other religions also people pray for elief from past sins.Alms giving is in religions.This tradition is being followed by many since timeimmemorial Is this all awaste? plz clarify this doubt of mine. Sd/SASTRY The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 I think by roping in things unrelated the premise and promise- however noble they may be, unnecessarily complicates and dilutes the simple and straightforward message of BG18:66 and the BG9:30-32 18:66 Giving up all forms of dharma take refuge in me alone. I will liberate you from all sins, do not grieve! (Here, dharma is used in the widest sense of the word – law, virtue, support, religion, duty, path, etc. This path is readily accessible to everyone, without the need for an organized religion or a mediator; it is free from rules and distinctions). 9:30 Even if a man steeped in evil takes on to my worship with undivided devotion, he must be considered as noble because he has taken the right decision. 9:31 Readily, he becomes righteous and attains everlasting peace. Arjuna, know this: no devotee of mine is ever lost 9:32 Whoever takes refuge in me –even men of sinful birth, women, traders, or laborers – will attain the supreme goal. (Societies typically look down upon certain sections of people. Krishna clarifies that whoever submits to the supreme attains liberation,irrespective of their birth, gender, or occupation). The following Five rules o fprapatti we hear from Srivaishnavas. They have no basis in the Bhagavad-Gita and only dilutes, complicates the simple straightforward promise. This is fodder for the missionaries to chew on us (and they have and are taking a big bite). Also, typical case of " What God gave-priest took it away or complicated it " . Just look at BG9:32, how do we expect everyone to know the shastras ( to fulfill the requirement 2 imposed by Srivaishnavas) or even understand it. Do we have to run to someone who thinks he knows shastras? None of those things are needed for moksham- they are needed for spinning the wheel (as we see numerously stated in teh Bhagavad-Gita itself, for example: Bg2: 42 to 45 and even BG2:46- where is the need of teh Vedic shastras and rituals for one who has surrendered- realized the ultimate truth?). Obviously, for example to do shraddham and tarpanam, we need to know the rules (Sahstram). Those are nothing to do with moksham. Let us not dilute or down grade Lord's promise in at least Bg18:66 and BG9:30-32. No wonder, BG9 is called Rajavidya Raja guhyam. It has remained a secret, thanks to scholars (vidvamsas who have done a good job vi-dhwamsam!). Time to wake up and give up something we have wrongly cherished! KST Sindhu Sarathi <sindhusarathi Sun, Nov 22, 2009 2:58 am Re: Re: Wiping of past sins Namaskaram to all The concept of yogi and deer is not example for prapathi. It is just to make understand that during death due to maya we sometimes dont think of attaining the Lord and only material bonds appears in the mind. Prapathi at that stage helps us. The BG verse is just to inform that Arjuna surrendered to the Lord to rescue him during tough situations! I also agree that Prapathi doesnt mean one could be relieved of his karma effect. I would like to present a few answers given by a great scholar Prapathi is not an ordinary concept. It is a great promise a soul does to the nature! One, who does prapatti, must do the following: 1. He must decide to do hereafter, only what will be pleasing to the Lord, as laid down by the sastras. 2. He must avoid doing, whatever will be displeasing to the Lord; namely, what is prohibited by sastras. 3. Faith is most important. He must have absolute faith that the Lord will save him and grant him moksha. 4. He must be aware that he does not have the capacity or capability, to attain salvation, by his own efforts. 5. He must positively pray to the Lord, to save him and grant him salvation. Now are all Karmas being wiped by Prapathi. What is the answer to the good karmas for whioch we would enjoy in the next birth!? There are two types of karmas. (1) The first type are those which have started yielding fruits. In other words, the person has to experience the pleasures and pains, for the past karmas, which have started yielding fruits (Prarabdha Karma). (2) The second type of karmas are those which have been kept aside by the Lord. They have not yet begun to yield fruits, good or bad (Sanchita karma). So, when a man does prapatti, the second type of karmas, namely, those which have not begun to yield fruits, are destroyed altogether. The first type of karmas, namely, those which have begun to yield fruits, good or bad, will continue, only so long as the person’s present life lasts. The person, after performing prapatti, may commit sins 1) either deliberately or 2) by oversight (without being aware that he is committing sins). 1) If a person commits sins, without being aware of the same, then these sins will be ignored by the Lord: since these sins were not committed purposely or deliberately. 2) If the person commits sins deliberately, due to the weakness of human nature, then he should do prayaschitta or atonement, for having committed them. (My sincere pranams to Shri V.N.Gopala Desikan) Then the Lord will punish him in this life itself, before his death, in some way or other.. So Prapathi is not just a way to attain God it is a vow of dharma taken by a soul in which we promise that we wont perform sins deliberately and accepts the nature's punishment to experience the bad karma so that it is subtracted in his birth thereby preventing birth any more. So it is just putting the application where the result is confirmed - attaining GOD. But the course of study is really difficult because the countdown starts to counter the bad karmas as we have to experience its effect in one jenma itself because we had requested for no further births!! (As if appearing for our XII board exam in our I std where the result is always pass but the course of study is difficult- This is just an example!) So people who had done prapathi should lead a very disciplined life as promised to the Lord Samarpanam at the lotus-feet of Shri Parthasarathi Regards Sindhu Sarathi --------------------------- Koti Sreekrishna <tatachar Sat, 21 November, 2009 8:41:16 PM Re: Re: Wiping of past sins Thanks for nice narration. Bhagavad-Gita is not just for Srivaishnavas. It is a universal eternal truth. Everything in it including BG18:66 is or everyone. Non-denominational and universal. Also, no need to debate or discuss the promise of Bg18:66 as is often done. I agree with you 100% that anyone can do this without any mediation. However, if someone wants to use mediations, Lord will forgive and accept that as well! Your story about a yogi (jaDa Bharata) getting infatuated with deer is not exactly appropriate in the context of BG18:66. " Yogi " does not automatically mean that prapatti has occured. In BG we hear of yogis who depart in Dakshinayana come back (perhas to serve as guide posts to others?) and yogis who depart in uttarayana do not return. These are yogis- realized souls- they have figured it out. However, prapatti can be done by a yogi as well as an ayogi (ayogya). It is quite clear a sudurachaari can do prapatti and attains moksha upon his or her departure. But everyone who has done prapatti ALSO have to endure their karma as long as they are alive. Only difference is that once they depart, they won't return. KST Sindhu Sarathi <sindhusarathi@ > Sat, Nov 21, 2009 1:03 am Re: Re: Wiping of past sins Dear all members,  I am a new member to this great group. I am very much interested in participating in this topic. I would like to exhibit few details which I had gathered from great scholars. If there is any thing wrong in my statements then it is my fault but if this is right then the credits goes to those great scholars! Prabathi and saranagathi are the two terms that belongs to not only vaishnavites but every soul that takes its physical form. Prabathi is a spiritual way of one intimating the Lord, his wish of attaining Him. The methods of Prabathi practiced by Shri Vaishnavites are different. Some attain through acharya directly to the Lord and some through acharya via thayar they attain the Lord. Prabathi doesnt mean one will attain the Lord irrespective of sin. A very good example is the Sage's story where he was concentrating on his pet deer inspite of his great tapas and hence attained rebirth as a deer. It sometimes occurs due to maya that when a good soul leaves its physical body it is deprived of thinking to attain the lord- the vaikuntam. Prapathi is thus made to overcome this. when one undergoes sudden death or go unconscious before dying even then he is considered by Lord if he has made an intimation to attain Him in his conscious state -that is prapatti. Saranagathi- is a term which totally abolishes the idea of " I " or the " ego " which means one solely believes that it is the Paramatma who dwells in all the jevas and so attaining this state prevents one from doing sin. But the trend nowadays is saranagathi becomes a religious or a caste concept like baptism! A small note about Gita and Arjuna. Arjuna the most blessed soul made saranagathi to the Lord. He is theonly soul to whom the Lord had showed all His courteous nature. ButArjuna didnt ask for Prapathi!! Yes he was worrying about hismaterialistic bonds and didnt ask for Vaikuntam even though the greatestveda- Bhagvat Gita was explained to him by the Supreme Guru! In Bhagavad Gita 2.7 Arjuna says " Sishyas teham shadhi maam tvaam prapannam " " I am your disciple and a soul surrendered unto you. Please instruct me " He just surrenderedHere is another interesting story. After dwapara yuga the Lord atvaikuntam was little depressed about Arjuna for his deed. The ornamentsof the Lord came to a decision to be born as azhwars and to educatethe common man to attain Lord by exhibiting His courteous natures intheir splendid paasurams. One can also understand, sometimes the paasuramswill be so wild as if to scold the common man that " the Supreme beingis awaiting for your surrender but you people are still in maya of thismaterialistic world " . Even thayar- Bhoomi piratti also decided to beborn as Andal and gave the incomparable thiruppavai. Being Bhoomadevishe recollects what Lord had told her in Varaha avatar and given it asthiruppavai, which intimates us to do as directed by the Lord to getrelieved from past karmas! A small narration of the events that occured in VARAHA AVATAR. In Varaha avatar the Lord saves Bhoodevi from the asura and consolesher by keeping in His lap. Even then she trembles and the Lord againconsoles her " Hey Devi you are safe in my lap and why are you stillscared? " Thayar replies " Oh my Lord I am always worried about our poorchildren who still suffer from karma. When are you going to relieve themand give them the safest place of dwelling near you? " The Lord replies " To wipe ones past sins, one need not roam from templeto temple. They can be where they are but should just do 3 things 1 uttering my naamam in their lips 2 doing archanai to me with their hands - even a simple sugantham flower is enough 3 thinking me truly and deeply in their mind that is enough for them to conquer me " Here is the following pasuram from Bhoodevito support the incident Maayanai mannu vada madhurai maindhanai thooya peru neer yamunai thuraivanai aayar kulaththinil thonrum ani vilakkai thaayai kudal vilakkam seydha dhaamodharanai thooyomaay vandhu naam thoomalar thoovi thozhudhu vaayinaal paadi manaththinaal sindhikka poya pizhaiyum pugudharuvaan ninranavum theeyinil thoosaagum cheppelor embaavaay. Now a doubt arises " Is this enough to be done if we still continue doing sins we can attain moksham? " Yes, these are true words. Thooyamay vandhu- which means with a pure good mind. So If a person does this truly will never commit any further sin but would accept all the punishments due to his bad karma and become a good soul for sure!!! They all have folded lots of informations and sookshamams and this should be given priorities! 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L. Ranga <asuri.ranga@ gmail.com>; Muazzam Khan <kakakhail_textile@ >; Muazzam Khan <muazzamjee >; myssteus ; Navin Singh <singhnavin >; Ali Naji Salim Albekheet <ali19722 (AT) (DOT) com>; Bassey Edet Nkposong <arcnigerialtd@ >; Narasimhan EV <evnarasimhan@ .co. in>; nnberi <nnberi (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; R.K. Ohri Ohri <rkohri (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; Padmakumar <truepadma >; Reena SAI <sunnyami_2000@ >; ronnie <ronnie68ang@ . sg>; Laurie westoven <lauriewest76@ hotmail.com> Fri, 20 November, 2009 3:20:39 PM Re: Wiping of past sins Dear Mr.Ayyappa Sastry,                                       No, scripture states that ones sins will be wiped off by doing Parihara.One has to reap the fruits of One's own action whether Papa or Punya.I was clear in my previous mail that if one seeks the Attonment of One's sins , the very Attonment is itself will become trouble for One.Thereis no synonimforthe word DHARMA in anyother language except Sanskrit.The nearest meaning of the word DHARMA is LAW OF NATURE. DHARMORAKSHATI DHARMAH Meaning: 'Protect the DHARMA, the DHARMA Protected by you will Protect You.For every action there is an equal and opposite action, this is Newtons third Law of Motion. According to the LAW of KARMA one has to reap the fruits of One's own action.Lord KRISHNA in BHAGAVAT GITA clearly says:                                         \           'Do your KARMA, meaning Work or Action but do not expect the Fruits of  your action, leave the Results of your KARMA unto Me'. Explanation:                   Perform your Work or Action without attachment to it and do not expect the results of your Work or Action whether it is possitive or negative result, leave the the Results to me I will take care of you.By doing One's Work or Action without attachment to it, and not expecting the Results One will not be happy for ones Punya nor be Sad for One's Papa it will not affect One's Mind and Jivaatma, by attaining Equanimity of Mind though One will certainly reap the fruits of Ones Own Action. As for as Astrology is concerned, for all GRAHAAS, for example Sanaischara they certainly have effect on forms of Life on Earth.The GRAHAAS keepon rotating on their own axis and revolve arround the SUN and the SUN rotates on its own axis and revolves arround the centre of AKAASHGANGA meaning Milkeyway Galaxy.They Grahas meaning Heavenly Bodies perform their work correctly and nonstop.So, what is destined to happen to One will certainly happen and these Parihaara suggested by Astrologers is just for the client's satisfaction and they cant alter what is to happen.So as you asked its a clearly a waste of time to do Parihara to Sanaischara and any other Graha.Astrology is only a Guide to us it does not determine ones future One KARMA determines Ones future and One can over come One's future by One's Willpower and Hardwork. Yours faithfully, B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN . e-mail: bcvk71     ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - ayyappa sastry <bagawan_sastry@ .co. in> bcvk71 Fri, November 20, 2009 2:08:44 PM Wiping of past sins Sir,\    If the past sins cannot be wiped by any Means i.e Japa,Tapa,Daana, Archana,Prayer, Havana or by any other means what is the use of Doing all these or atleast worshipping a God in a temple? scriptures are mentioning that sins will be wiped by perfoming these actions.say for example For Sani Dosham " Til Daan " will be given to a brahmin,and in a Temple Tailabisekhsa " will be perfomed.Is it a waste?is that information is wrong?not only hindus but also in other religions also people pray for elief from past sins.Alms giving is in religions.This tradition is being followed by many since timeimmemorial Is this all awaste? plz clarify this doubt of mine. Sd/SASTRY ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. --------------------------- The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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