Guest guest Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Dear Swamins, Modern Science and Technology have taken us several light years ahead but it is sad that this subject " ????????????????? ??????? ??????? ??? " has to come up for clarifications!! In India, when people go to Churches or to Mosques, no one questions why certain dress codes or Cap codes are observed. No moslem anywhere ever prays anywhere without a cap on and without orienting himself towards Mecca/ Medina. No Christian goes to a Church in a Lungi or Bermudas. This is true of all worshippers whether modern, literate or otherwise. No one has to conduct email sessions for them on ??????? ??????? ??? for their religions. Dissidence is rampant in those religions but no one questions the basic code of attendance and/or dress - cap code. Adiyen will add a few thoughts: i) Sashtanga Namaskarams - never! Not even to an Acharya when He is inside the Temple Premises to offer His Mangalasasanams. This is a practice that has come into fashion in the recent past due to a herd mentality - Achuthan has done it so Anathan should do and Kesavan and so on!! ii) This applies inside the TEmple Complex - there is no exemption here - before or after the Dwaja Sthambam. iii) Venkat Kanumala has done & is doing yeoman service - he doesn't need adiyen's certification but he will be well advised to stop this practice of offering Dhotis to sevarthis for obvious reasons, iv) " In Kerala temples wearing other than dhothies are prohibited " - Correction please, Menfolk are NOT permitted to wear upper wear such as shirts/ banians/ T Shirts etc., Traditional Dhotis & Angavastrams only but tied to the waist generally, Still many millions throng Kerala Temples throgh the year in that attire regardless of their status, v) Sorry, no clapping anywhere inside the Temple Complex please - i am reminded of Benjamin Franklin's quote " The Good Lord cures but the good doctor collects the fee " . We can modify that to read as " The Good Lord gives but the good donor collects the applause " !! vi) Srutis state " Dharmaha Kshyathi Keerthanath " - the good that comes out of Dharma vanishes if the said Donor even thinks for a moment that he has committed Dharma!! Believe me, adiyen has collected several crores over the years for the Asramam Projects and we never had to falicitate or clap anywhere. vii) A private audience with HH and a shawl and a memento are all that 98% of the donors need {many don't want any thing at all}. Warmest regards. Daasan RR. __________________ - s Rajagopalan [s11081946] oppiliappan Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:05:46 +0100 (BST) ????????????????? ??????? ??????? ??? Swamin, I wish to clarify my stand on the observations made by some very knowledgeble members of some . The collection of certain practises which should be avoided under the caption " & #2980; & #3007; & #2992; & #3009; & #2965; & #3021; & #2965; & #3019; & #2991; & #3007; & #2994; & #\ 3021; & #2965; & #2995; & #3007; & #2994; & #3021; & #2970; & #3014; & #2991; & #3021; & #2991; & #2965; & #3021; & #2965; & #3010; & #2975; & #3006; & #2980; & #2997; & #3016; & #2958; & #2997; & #3016; " was compiled by one shri Thiru. I reproduced them as I found them to be informative and worth following. My acknowledgements, appreciations and sincere thanks to Shri Thiru. Two items of " & #2980; & #3007; & #2992; & #3009; & #2965; & #3021; & #2965; & #3019; & #2991; & #3007; & #2994; & #\ 3021; & #2965; & #2995; & #3007; & #2994; & #3021; & #2970; & #3014; & #2991; & #3021; & #2991; & #2965; & #3021; & #2965; & #3010; & #2975; & #3006; & #2980; & #2997; & #3016; & #2958; & #2997; & #3016; " have attracted the attention of some members. As far I know and could analyse, I am prompted to reply on them. On the point " Pirappu, irappu theetu, Dr Sadagopan Swamy has amply dealt with the subject. May I add the following as a comman and lay man's point of view? It is common knowledge that germs and viral bacteria do come out of human body when ever there is a death, flow of blood or exposure of flesh, These are more relevant during death and birth of a child. Our learned ancestors as a precautionary measure, to avoid spread of such viral germs in public places advised people affected (Theetu) by the above said death and birth to keep away from temples. On the subject of avoidance of washing feet after visit to temples: Normally, we keep our selves clean due to health and wellness reasons. We clean our selves after sleep, tiring hard work and like. We also clean ourselves when we visit important places and functions. This is done to have a congenial and condusive atmosphere. This is being practised when we visit temples. We also take bath after attending funerals etc. Thus for our physical purification, we keep our selves clean. During the visit to temple, we pray God. We forget all other things except remembering God and his Creations, benevolent actions etc. Our heart is filled with Divine vibrations. We cheish the moments. We also sit in the temple Premises for a while so that those moments are retained in our memory. The act of washing our feet after visit to the temple erases all such memories and leaves impressions as if we have attended some unwanted and undesirable situations though this is symbolic. Our ancestors, who have adopted doctrines, have kept them keeping the well being of the man kind in mind. Attempting to analyse such actions, perhaps will make us to find reasons even for silly things and turn us athiests and Divine haters. We follow chantings and utter them even without knowing their meanings and purposes. Let us follow this also like that. Let us not loose our traditional values in the name of modernity and objective thinking. Shri Narasimhachari has mentioned three more points to be added. One is that we should not perform sashtanga Namaskarams in the Sannadhi and the appropriate place is before the Dwajasthambam. It is an omission and we have to follow that. Regarding claps and appreciations in the temple premises for performances and benevolent acts, if it is in the auditorium attached to the temple or in some Mandapams in the praharam probably we could accommadate as we have to flatter patrons and performers in the interest of the temple. Shri Aravamudhan has suggested to permit sashtanga Namaskaram inside Sannadhi. Probably he has forgotten that it will be a biggest inconvenience to other bhakthas. All his other suggestions are followable. Shri Geelakshman has suggested for dressing codes. In south Indian temples it is being followed. In Kerala temples wearing other than dhothies are prohibited. Ladies have to come in traditional dresses. Lunghies are not permitted in Tamilnadu Temples. His observation is probably or U S temples. Suggestions of Shri Srinivasan are worth adoption. Probably we may have some more thought provoking suggestions. S RAJAGOPALAN. Looking for people who are YOUR TYPE? Find them here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 SWamin, Thank you very much for your enlightenment. I fully aooreciate and accept your point of view. Since Hindu Dharma is pluralistic in nature and divergent views and ethical practises are prevalent. The attack on Hinduism is also more not just from other than Hindus but with in itself. A code of conduct is definitely desirable but not practical as in Kerala. Irrespect of who ever is in Government, religious tolerance is felt in Kerala, unlike in Tamilnadu, where people preach against Gods in public but cannot control their own kith and kin from worshipping God.. Regards S RAJAGOPALAN. rr wrote: Dear Swamins,Modern Science and Technology have taken us several light years ahead but it is sad that this subject "????????????????? ??????? ??????? ???" has to come up for clarifications!!In India, when people go to Churches or to Mosques, no one questions why certain dress codes or Cap codes are observed. No moslem anywhere ever prays anywhere without a cap on and without orienting himself towards Mecca/ Medina.No Christian goes to a Church in a Lungi or Bermudas. This is true of all worshippers whether modern, literate or otherwise. No one has to conduct email sessions for them on ??????? ??????? ??? for their religions. Dissidence is rampant in those religions but no one questions the basic code of attendance and/or dress - cap code.Adiyen will add a few thoughts:i) Sashtanga Namaskarams - never! Not even to an Acharya when He is inside the Temple Premises to offer His Mangalasasanams. This is a practice that has come into fashion in the recent past due to a herd mentality - Achuthan has done it so Anathan should do and Kesavan and so on!!ii) This applies inside the TEmple Complex - there is no exemption here - before or after the Dwaja Sthambam.iii) Venkat Kanumala has done & is doing yeoman service - he doesn't need adiyen's certification but he will be well advised to stop this practice of offering Dhotis to sevarthis for obvious reasons,iv) "In Kerala temples wearing other than dhothies are prohibited" - Correction please, Menfolk are NOT permitted to wear upper wear such as shirts/ banians/ T Shirts etc., Traditional Dhotis & Angavastrams only but tied to the waist generally, Still many millions throng Kerala Temples throgh the year in that attire regardless of their status,v) Sorry, no clapping anywhere inside the Temple Complex please - i am reminded of Benjamin Franklin's quote "The Good Lord cures but the good doctor collects the fee". We can modify that to read as "The Good Lord gives but the good donor collects the applause"!!vi) Srutis state "Dharmaha Kshyathi Keerthanath" - the good that comes out of Dharma vanishes if the said Donor even thinks for a moment that he has committed Dharma!! Believe me, adiyen has collected several crores over the years for the Asramam Projects and we never had to falicitate or clap anywhere.vii) A private audience with HH and a shawl and a memento are all that 98% of the donors need {many don't want any thing at all}.Warmest regards.Daasan RR.__________________-s Rajagopalan [s11081946]oppiliappan Sent: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:05:46 +0100 (BST) ????????????????? ??????? ??????? ???Swamin,I wish to clarify my stand on the observations made by some very knowledgeble members of some .The collection of certain practises which should be avoided under the caption "திருக்கோயில்களில் செய்யக் கூடாதவை எவை" was compiled by one shri Thiru. I reproduced them as I found them to be informative and worth following. My acknowledgements, appreciations and sincere thanks to Shri Thiru.Two items of "திருக்கோயில்களில் செய்யக் கூடாதவை எவை" have attracted the attention of some members. As far I know and could analyse, I am prompted to reply on them.On the point " Pirappu, irappu theetu, Dr Sadagopan Swamy has amply dealt with the subject. May I add the following as a comman and lay man's point of view?It is common knowledge that germs and viral bacteria do come out of human body when ever there is a death, flow of blood or exposure of flesh, These are more relevant during death and birth of a child. Our learned ancestors as a precautionary measure, to avoid spread of such viral germs in public placesadvised people affected (Theetu) by the above said death and birth to keep away from temples.On the subject of avoidance of washing feet after visit to temples:Normally, we keep our selves clean due to health and wellness reasons. We clean our selves after sleep, tiring hard work and like. We also clean ourselves when we visit important places and functions. This is done to have a congenial and condusive atmosphere. This is being practised when we visit temples. We also take bath after attending funerals etc. Thus for our physical purification, we keep our selves clean. During the visit to temple, we pray God. We forget all other things except remembering God and his Creations, benevolent actions etc. Our heart is filled with Divine vibrations. We cheish the moments. We also sit in the temple Premises for a while so that those moments are retained in our memory. The act of washing our feet after visit to the temple erases all such memories and leaves impressions as if we have attended some unwanted and undesirable situations though this is symbolic. Our ancestors, who have adopted doctrines, have kept them keeping the wellbeing of the man kind in mind. Attempting to analyse such actions, perhaps will make us to find reasons even for silly things and turn us athiests and Divine haters. We follow chantings and utter them even without knowing their meanings and purposes. Let us follow this also like that. Let us not loose our traditional values in the name of modernity and objective thinking.Shri Narasimhachari has mentioned three more points to be added. One is that we should not perform sashtanga Namaskarams in the Sannadhi and the appropriate place is before the Dwajasthambam. It is an omission and we have to follow that. Regarding claps and appreciations in the temple premises for performances and benevolent acts, if it is in the auditorium attached to the temple or in some Mandapams in the praharam probably we could accommadate as we have to flatter patrons and performers in the interest of the temple.Shri Aravamudhan has suggested to permit sashtanga Namaskaram inside Sannadhi. Probably he has forgotten that it will be a biggest inconvenience to other bhakthas. All his other suggestions are followable.Shri Geelakshman has suggested for dressing codes. In south Indian temples it is being followed. In Kerala temples wearing other than dhothies are prohibited. Ladies have to come in traditional dresses. Lunghies are not permitted in Tamilnadu Temples. His observation is probably or U S temples.Suggestions of Shri Srinivasan are worth adoption.Probably we may have some more thought provoking suggestions.S RAJAGOPALAN.Looking for people who are YOUR TYPE? Find them here! Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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