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Dear Sri Thiruvenaktaswamy :

 

Thank you for sharing this

well researched article .

V.Sadagopan

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Re: [Thatha_Patty] One nice analysis - good to read and understand

Respected Dr.Sadagopan,Excellent article.If you deem it fit,the same can be released to our groups.With my best respects,AdiyenT.RamanujamRaman K <kraman44 wrote:

 

 

KARUNANIDHI – Persona of Hindu Hatred!9/19/2007 9:35:53 AM B.R.HARAN

KARUNANIDHI – PERSONA OF HINDU HATRED!

 

The Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Karunanidhi can be personified as a product of a combination of all evils such as Atheism, Dravidianism, Selfishness, Hypocrisy, and Hindu-hatred.

 

The so-called Aryan-Dravidian theory was used by the British to create a north-south divide and the same was utilized to the hilt by E.V.Ramaswamy, who founded the Dravidar Kazhagam to come in to the limelight based on anti-Brahminism. Annadurai, Karunanidhi, Nedunchezhian, EVK Sampath and a few others joined EVR and together they worked tirelessly with a sole aim of separating Tamils from the Hindu fold on the plank that, only Aryans are Hindus and Dravidians (Tamils) are a separate race being oppressed by the Aryans for more than three thousand years. Initially, they also had the support of Justice Party, which was a stooge of the British, and EVR even went to the extent of observing our independence day, August 15, as a "Black Day". Later on, due to personal feud, Annadurai came out of DK along with Karunanidhi, Nedunchezhian & others to float the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK) as an offshoot of DK. In the inaugural function they had kept one empty chair on the head of the dais for EVR, saying that he was their permanent leader. Both DK and DMK ably aided & supported by Marxist & Dravidian historians have spoilt three to four generations of Tamils since the fifties.

 

Now, DMK President Karunanidhi and DK president Veeramani are continuing the evil legacy of EVR for the detriment of Tamil Nadu & Tamils. Through out his political career, Karunanidhi has survived by adopting the 'divide & rule' policy conceived by the British through the distortion of our great history and civilization purely for his selfish interests. In the process, he has never missed out even a single opportunity to make disparaging remarks on Hindus, Hindu Gods, Hindu philosophy and Hindu culture apart from denigrating Sanskrit & Hindi, and simultaneously, he had appeased & appreciated the interests of minorities (read Muslims & Christians), so that, he can be at the helm of affairs permanently. While making such remarks, he never felt shy or shame on exhibiting his lack of knowledge in History, Religion & Culture.

 

When the Hindus protested against the installation of EVR's statue in front of the famous Srirangam Temple, He asked, "When Temple Towers have nude sculptures and when nude Gods & Goddesses are kept inside the Temples, what is wrong in having a well dressed EVR in front of the Temple?" This one statement is enough to prove his prejudice, perversion and Hindu-hatred. As a Chief Minister, he always conveys his official greetings to Muslims & Christians on Ramzaan, Christmas, Milad-un-Nabhi, Bakrid, Good Friday, etc, but he never greets the Hindus on any of their festivals. He greets the people only on the day of 'Pongal' (celebrated as Shankranthi in other parts of the country), saying that Pongal is a Tamil cultural festival, only with a bad intention of separating the Tamils from the Hindu fold . Incidentally, this 'rationalist' follows a 'divine culture' of wearing a 'Yellow Shawl' (the colour of Lord Dakshinamoorthy) for which he has given hundred and one rationalist explanations and not even one was convincing.

 

A few days back, just before Ganesh Chathurthi festival he had said, "Lord Ganesha was born in 'Vathapi' (Karnataka) and was brought to Tamil Nadu from there during Pallava period and hence he is not a Tamil God". He knows pretty well that Lord Shiva (Father of Ganesha) and Lord Muruga (revered as Tamil god & brother of Ganesha) and Mother Parvathi are all worshipped by Tamils from ancient times, but then, he always has a sadistic pleasure of demeaning only the Hindu Gods for the sake of electoral gains. Being well informed on Tamil Literature, he must be aware of the fact that, Lord Ganesha was extensively mentioned in Sangam Literature and that even the Shivite trio of 'Sambandar', 'Appar' and 'Sundarar' have worshipped Lord Ganesha through their hymns. He must also be aware of the masterpiece "Vinayagar Agaval" sung by the ancient poet 'Avvaiyar', but he deliberately makes such humiliating remarks to satisfy his ego and gets sadistic pleasure out of it. Ironically, he shamelessly launched his TV Channel (Kalaignar TV) on the auspicious day of "Ganesh Chathurthi". Incidentally due to 'selective amnesia', the CM has conveniently forgotten the fact that, EVR was a Kannadiga hailing from Karnataka and that he himself hails from Andhra, as his mother tongue is Telugu.

 

Again a few days back, he refused to send his greetings to the foundation ceremony for the "Baratha Muni Temple", being built by Baratha Natyam artist & exponent Padma Subramniam. His contention was that, only 'Ilango Adigal', who wrote 'Silappathikaram' expounded the nuances of Baratha Natyam and not 'Baratha Muni'. He went on to say that, building a memorial for Baratha Muni is a revival of Aryan oppression of Dravidians. No doubt, it is true that Ilango Adigal has extensively written in his Silappathikaram about the nuances of Art and even the measurements of the Arangam (Auditorium) meticulously. But, it is also true that the art of Baratha Natyam is divine, founded by Bharatha Muni, much before the times of Ilango Adigal and Ilango Adigal has not invented or discovered the art, but only explained the facts, which were already there in practice. But, the alleged actual reason for Karunanidhi's refusal to send greetings is that, Padma Subramaniam has laid the foundation on a piece of land (5 Acres) donated by the government of Tamil Nadu, when Jayalalitha was the CM and that Padma is a good friend of Jayalalitha and that both of them are Brahmins.

 

Sometimes, he over acts and entertains us with his rationalist wisecracks. A few days back, he amused us with his finding of a meaning, Sanskrit meaning, for the word "Kalaignar". He said that, "Kalaignar" means "Shastri" and cited the name of the famous poet & writer Surya Narayana Shastri, who changed his name as Parithi Mar Kalaignar in his later part of life. "Parithi" in Sanskrit means "Surya" (Sun) in Tamil and "Maal" means "Narayanan" (Lord Vishnu) and "Shastri" means "Kalaignar". 'Kalaignar' can also be interpreted as 'entertainer'!

 

Last & latest but not the least, In the wake of central government's bungling in the affidavit submitted by the ASI to the Supreme Court and consequently withdrawing it after a nation wide protest from Hindu majority, a disappointed Karunanidhi felt let down by the center and hence fired his anti-Hindu salvos at the annual anti-Hindu congregation called the "Mupperum Vizha" (a celebration of birth anniversaries of EVR, Annadurai & DMK party). He had said that there was nothing wrong in the affidavit, which mentioned that Lord Rama, Ramayana & Rama Sethu were mere myth and there is no historical proof for their existence. He had also cited the observation of Jawaharlal Nehru in his 'Discovery of India' as evidence, as if Nehru was the voice of India. It is a well-known fact that Nehru himself was an anti-Hindu, as evidenced by his famous statement, "I am a Hindu by the accident of birth". Karunanidhi also went on to say, "Some say there was a person over 17 lakh years ago. His name was Ramar. Do not touch the bridge constructed by him, they are saying. But then, from which engineering college had he graduated? Is there any proof for this?" This kind of a statement ridiculing Lord Rama, who is the most revered God of the country and Hindus living world over, is unwarranted and uncalled for, that too from the Chief Minister in his official capacity as the state head, and needs to be condemned in the strongest of terms. After all, he got to his office only by the votes of majority, who have faith in God. To make matters worse, the leader of the "Black Rats", K.Veeramani, who has said that he would organize statewide agitations in support of the withdrawn affidavits, also supports him. The mistake of "Raja" (King or the government head) will only lead to the sufferings of his "Prajaas" (innocent people), as evidenced by the death of the innocent persons in the burnt down bus near Bangalore.

In the same function, touching his pet Aryan-Dravidian theory, he said, "Rama is an Aryan God and Ravana is a Dravidian and the communal (read Hindu) organizations working against Sethusamudhram project are Aryans trying to stall the development of Dravidian Tamil Nadu". A look at the true history would teach us that, Lord Ganesha, Lord Muruga, Lord Rama, Sage Agasthya & Bharatha Muni are among the many Gods & Sages, who were responsible for the evolving & flourishing of the Vedic Civilisation & Culture including the so-called Tamil culture. The history also says that, 'Pulasthiya Maharishi' was the grand father of Ravana and 'Vishravavasu' was the father of Ravana and they hail from the clan of 'Kasyapa Maharishi'. Hence, Ravana was a Brahmin and a great Shiva Baktha. He was also an exponent of 'Saama Vedha' and a great musician, an expert with Veena. On the other hand, Lord Rama was a Kshathriya belonging to "Ikshvagu Vamsaa" or "Raghu Vamsaa".

Karunanidhi's statements have invited strong reactions within Tamil Nadu and the first reaction apart from the state Hindu outfits was from the strong 'Vanniyar Sangam'. The Vanniyars belong to the Kshathriya Varna and since Lord Rama was a Kshathriya, the sangam felt offended and had come out with a severe warning to the CM demanding an unconditional apology, while also criticizing his ordinance on 7% reservations for minorities ( 3.5 % each for Muslims & Christians) from within the 30% quota of the MBCs, as their quota has been reduced to 23%. Actor Sarath Kumar, who plunged in to politics recently and claims of representing the Nadar Community, has also condemned the Chief minister for hurting the Hindu sentiments. Now, the Tamil Nadu Congress, which is already losing its presence in the state, is terribly worried at the impending loss of heavy Hindu vote percentage because of Karunanidhi's insensitive diatribes against Hindus.

The "Hindu history" is the history of India, or rather, the history of Baratha Varsha, which has been clearly documented with unquestionable evidences.

Karunanidhi was a born anti-Hindu and he had developed his political career on anti-Hinduism and it is too late on his part to change his mentality & mend his ways and it is also too naïve on our part to expect him to change. It is only the people of Tamil Nadu, who have to change, by rejecting the Dravidian parties and their leaders, for their own benefits and for the betterment of Tamil Nadu. I remember, as a young school boy, during the discussions between the elders of our family, they used to say, "The 'sins' committed by the Hindus have taken the forms of EVR, Karunanidhi, Veeramani and the likes and that is why we are suffering at the hands of these Dravidian leaders for the sins committed by us". Now, after having grown up by seeing the politics of hatred, cowardice, cunningness, crime, corruption, selective rationalism and stinking pseudo-secularism, I totally agree with the elders of my family.

 

 

 

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I went through the article. But the only question that comes up to my mind is: Who was responsible for bringing up this DMK into prominence? Without "him" would they have come up to the front on the political arena? I am ashamed of ourselves. The culprit was a traitor, but even now he is being held in high esteem by the so called Brahmins. Why the author of this article has omitted that point? I am really sorry that the facts have not been fully brought up by the author. By the omission of the very shameful event of the history, the article deserves to be thrown into the dust-bin. Srinivasan "Dr. Sadagopan" <yennappan wrote: Dear Sri Thiruvenaktaswamy : Thank you for sharing this well researched article . V.Sadagopan - ramanujam thiruvenkataswamy yennappan (AT) computer (DOT) net Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:17 AM Re: [Thatha_Patty] One nice analysis - good to read

and understand Respected Dr.Sadagopan,Excellent article.If you deem it fit,the same can be released to our groups.With my best respects,AdiyenT.RamanujamRaman K <kraman44 > wrote: KARUNANIDHI – Persona of Hindu Hatred!9/19/2007 9:35:53 AM B.R.HARAN KARUNANIDHI – PERSONA OF HINDU HATRED! The Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Karunanidhi can be personified as a product of a combination of all evils such as Atheism, Dravidianism, Selfishness, Hypocrisy, and Hindu-hatred. The so-called Aryan-Dravidian theory was used by the British to create a north-south divide and the same was utilized to the hilt by E.V.Ramaswamy, who founded the Dravidar Kazhagam to come in to the limelight based on anti-Brahminism. Annadurai, Karunanidhi, Nedunchezhian, EVK Sampath and a few others joined EVR and together they worked tirelessly with a sole aim of separating Tamils from the Hindu fold on the plank that, only Aryans are Hindus and Dravidians (Tamils) are a separate race being

oppressed by the Aryans for more than three thousand years. Initially, they also had the support of Justice Party, which was a stooge of the British, and EVR even went to the extent of observing our independence day, August 15, as a "Black Day". Later on, due to personal feud, Annadurai came out of DK along with Karunanidhi, Nedunchezhian & others to float the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK) as an offshoot of DK. In the inaugural function they had kept one empty chair on the head of the dais for EVR, saying that he was their permanent leader. Both DK and DMK ably aided & supported by Marxist & Dravidian historians have spoilt three to four generations of Tamils since the fifties. Now, DMK President Karunanidhi and DK president Veeramani are continuing the evil legacy of EVR for the detriment of Tamil

Nadu & Tamils. Through out his political career, Karunanidhi has survived by adopting the 'divide & rule' policy conceived by the British through the distortion of our great history and civilization purely for his selfish interests. In the process, he has never missed out even a single opportunity to make disparaging remarks on Hindus, Hindu Gods, Hindu philosophy and Hindu culture apart from denigrating Sanskrit & Hindi, and simultaneously, he had appeased & appreciated the interests of minorities (read Muslims & Christians), so that, he can be at the helm of affairs permanently. While making such remarks, he never felt shy or shame on exhibiting his lack of knowledge in History, Religion & Culture. When the Hindus protested against the installation of EVR's statue in front of the famous

Srirangam Temple, He asked, "When Temple Towers have nude sculptures and when nude Gods & Goddesses are kept inside the Temples, what is wrong in having a well dressed EVR in front of the Temple?" This one statement is enough to prove his prejudice, perversion and Hindu-hatred. As a Chief Minister, he always conveys his official greetings to Muslims & Christians on Ramzaan, Christmas, Milad-un-Nabhi, Bakrid, Good Friday, etc, but he never greets the Hindus on any of their festivals. He greets the people only on the day of 'Pongal' (celebrated as Shankranthi in other parts of the country), saying that Pongal is a Tamil cultural festival, only with a bad intention of separating the Tamils from the Hindu fold . Incidentally, this 'rationalist' follows a 'divine culture' of wearing a 'Yellow Shawl' (the colour of Lord Dakshinamoorthy) for which he has given hundred and one rationalist explanations and not even one was convincing.

A few days back, just before Ganesh Chathurthi festival he had said, "Lord Ganesha was born in 'Vathapi' (Karnataka) and was brought to Tamil Nadu from there during Pallava period and hence he is not a Tamil God". He knows pretty well that Lord Shiva (Father of Ganesha) and Lord Muruga (revered as Tamil god & brother of Ganesha) and Mother Parvathi are all worshipped by Tamils from ancient times, but then, he always has a sadistic pleasure of demeaning only the Hindu Gods for the sake of electoral gains. Being well informed on Tamil Literature, he must be aware of the fact that, Lord Ganesha was extensively mentioned in Sangam Literature and that even the Shivite trio of 'Sambandar', 'Appar' and 'Sundarar' have worshipped Lord Ganesha through their hymns. He must also be aware of

the masterpiece "Vinayagar Agaval" sung by the ancient poet 'Avvaiyar', but he deliberately makes such humiliating remarks to satisfy his ego and gets sadistic pleasure out of it. Ironically, he shamelessly launched his TV Channel (Kalaignar TV) on the auspicious day of "Ganesh Chathurthi". Incidentally due to 'selective amnesia', the CM has conveniently forgotten the fact that, EVR was a Kannadiga hailing from Karnataka and that he himself hails from Andhra, as his mother tongue is Telugu. Again a few days back, he refused to send his greetings to the foundation ceremony for the "Baratha Muni Temple", being built by Baratha Natyam artist & exponent Padma Subramniam. His contention was that, only 'Ilango Adigal', who wrote 'Silappathikaram' expounded the

nuances of Baratha Natyam and not 'Baratha Muni'. He went on to say that, building a memorial for Baratha Muni is a revival of Aryan oppression of Dravidians. No doubt, it is true that Ilango Adigal has extensively written in his Silappathikaram about the nuances of Art and even the measurements of the Arangam (Auditorium) meticulously. But, it is also true that the art of Baratha Natyam is divine, founded by Bharatha Muni, much before the times of Ilango Adigal and Ilango Adigal has not invented or discovered the art, but only explained the facts, which were already there in practice. But, the alleged actual reason for Karunanidhi's refusal to send greetings is that, Padma Subramaniam has laid the foundation on a piece of land (5 Acres) donated by the government of Tamil Nadu, when Jayalalitha was the CM and that Padma is a good friend of Jayalalitha and that both of them are Brahmins. Sometimes, he over acts and entertains us with his rationalist wisecracks. A few days back, he amused us with his finding of a meaning, Sanskrit meaning, for the word "Kalaignar". He said that, "Kalaignar" means "Shastri" and cited the name of the famous poet & writer Surya Narayana Shastri, who changed his name as Parithi Mar Kalaignar in his later part of life. "Parithi" in Sanskrit means "Surya" (Sun) in Tamil and "Maal" means "Narayanan" (Lord Vishnu) and "Shastri" means "Kalaignar". 'Kalaignar' can also be interpreted as 'entertainer'! Last & latest but not the least, In the wake of central government's bungling in the affidavit submitted by the ASI to the Supreme

Court and consequently withdrawing it after a nation wide protest from Hindu majority, a disappointed Karunanidhi felt let down by the center and hence fired his anti-Hindu salvos at the annual anti-Hindu congregation called the "Mupperum Vizha" (a celebration of birth anniversaries of EVR, Annadurai & DMK party). He had said that there was nothing wrong in the affidavit, which mentioned that Lord Rama, Ramayana & Rama Sethu were mere myth and there is no historical proof for their existence. He had also cited the observation of Jawaharlal Nehru in his 'Discovery of India' as evidence, as if Nehru was the voice of India. It is a well-known fact that Nehru himself was an anti-Hindu, as evidenced by his famous statement, "I am a Hindu by the accident of birth". Karunanidhi also went on to say, "Some say there was a person over 17 lakh years ago. His name was Ramar. Do not touch the bridge constructed by him, they are saying. But then, from which engineering college

had he graduated? Is there any proof for this?" This kind of a statement ridiculing Lord Rama, who is the most revered God of the country and Hindus living world over, is unwarranted and uncalled for, that too from the Chief Minister in his official capacity as the state head, and needs to be condemned in the strongest of terms. After all, he got to his office only by the votes of majority, who have faith in God. To make matters worse, the leader of the "Black Rats", K.Veeramani, who has said that he would organize statewide agitations in support of the withdrawn affidavits, also supports him. The mistake of "Raja" (King or the government head) will only lead to the sufferings of his "Prajaas" (innocent people), as evidenced by the death of the innocent persons in the burnt down bus near Bangalore. In the same function, touching his pet Aryan-Dravidian theory, he said, "Rama is an

Aryan God and Ravana is a Dravidian and the communal (read Hindu) organizations working against Sethusamudhram project are Aryans trying to stall the development of Dravidian Tamil Nadu". A look at the true history would teach us that, Lord Ganesha, Lord Muruga, Lord Rama, Sage Agasthya & Bharatha Muni are among the many Gods & Sages, who were responsible for the evolving & flourishing of the Vedic Civilisation & Culture including the so-called Tamil culture. The history also says that, 'Pulasthiya Maharishi' was the grand father of Ravana and 'Vishravavasu' was the father of Ravana and they hail from the clan of 'Kasyapa Maharishi'. Hence, Ravana was a Brahmin and a great Shiva Baktha. He was also an exponent of 'Saama Vedha' and a great musician, an expert with Veena. On the other hand, Lord Rama was a Kshathriya belonging to "Ikshvagu Vamsaa" or "Raghu Vamsaa". Karunanidhi's statements have invited strong reactions within Tamil Nadu and the first reaction apart from the state Hindu outfits was from the strong 'Vanniyar Sangam'. The Vanniyars belong to the Kshathriya Varna and since Lord Rama was a Kshathriya, the sangam felt offended and had come out with a severe warning to the CM demanding an unconditional apology, while also criticizing his ordinance on 7% reservations for minorities ( 3.5 % each for Muslims & Christians) from within the 30% quota of the MBCs, as their quota has been reduced to 23%. Actor Sarath Kumar, who plunged in to politics recently and claims of representing the Nadar Community, has also condemned the Chief minister for hurting the Hindu sentiments. Now, the Tamil Nadu Congress, which is already losing its presence in the state, is terribly worried at the impending loss of heavy Hindu vote percentage because of Karunanidhi's insensitive diatribes against Hindus.

The "Hindu history" is the history of India, or rather, the history of Baratha Varsha, which has been clearly documented with unquestionable evidences. Karunanidhi was a born anti-Hindu and he had developed his political career on anti-Hinduism and it is too late on his part to change his mentality & mend his ways and it is also too naïve on our part to expect him to change. It is only the people of Tamil Nadu, who have to change, by rejecting the Dravidian parties and their leaders, for their own benefits and for the betterment of Tamil Nadu. I remember, as a young school boy, during the discussions between the elders of our family, they used to say, "The 'sins'

committed by the Hindus have taken the forms of EVR, Karunanidhi, Veeramani and the likes and that is why we are suffering at the hands of these Dravidian leaders for the sins committed by us". Now, after having grown up by seeing the politics of hatred, cowardice, cunningness, crime, corruption, selective rationalism and stinking pseudo-secularism, I totally agree with the elders of my family. Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel.

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From mail I received from Mr. Srivatasa Brahma thought of sharing an article that i had read some time ago on the communist tabloid "The Hindu" which had carried this article from another communist tabloid "The Guardian" of UK:http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1532781,00.html The article is interesting because i think it captures the diabolical minds such as that of karuNAnidhi. As in: "Nowadays, if someone is vastly more talented than us, we don't congratulate them - we envy them and resent their success. It seems we don't want heroes we can admire, so much as heroes we can identify with.We want to think we could be like them,

and so we make sure to select heroes that are like us. We worship David Beckham because he's fallible. If Achilles were around today, the headlines would all be about his heel." a more hard hitting punch is this. this is about democracy and what it leads to. this captures the state of affairs in India in general and more specifically tamiL nADu: "We allow halfwits to become celebrities precisely because there is no great gap separating them from us. That consoles us, because it makes us think that we could be famous if we had a bit more luck, or if we tried a bit harder. We can't bear the idea that some people might be better than us, so much better that we could never be like them, no matter how hard we tried. That upsets our democratic ethos, our belief that all people are born equal." the wave of pedestrianism that has descended into the

tamil movies, film music etc. these days only strengthen the contention that it is a society which is going to decay and perish, unless it starts taking pride in the achievements of its forefathers. This is only possible if the diabolical and human hating ideology of dravidianism is defeated. The decay wrought upon tamiLnADu by karuNAnidhi and his ideological father periyar (the founding father of dravidianism) is captured in the following article: http://www.boloji.com/analysis2/0148.htm In particular, the following: " The quintessence of rational-racial Dravidianism is that spiritual knowledge is superstitious and secular ignorance is rational; character is superstitious and debauchery is rational; chastity is superstitious and prostitution of mind, body, heart and soul is rational; discipline superstitious and indiscipline is rational; accepted truth is superstitious and blatant untruth is rational, refinement is superstitious and brutality is rational; justice is superstitious and rapacity is rational, counsels of the wise and the good are generally superstitious and the flattery of knaves particularly rational. And finally to crown it all having a legally wedded wife is superstitious and irrational and

having innumerable concubines is logically rational."svasti, JAYA BHAARATII, Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in

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i AM Sorry to see mudslinging on Rajaji is implied here. He was the

tallest Iyengar i have seen in perosn who practiced true Ramanuja

philosophy which implied we shed our hatred of other castes. I was

brought up in a village in Tanjore in early 50s and have seen the

almost apartheid type habits we had. Rajaji fought this openly. even

today if only we have integrated other castes sooner we would not

have seen other religions chipping away Hinduisum. Rajaji showed the

way, was an ardent Bhaktha and wrote so well to impress the younger

generation. even today his Ramayana and Mahabharatha command

attention in the book shelf.

The rise of Dravida Kazhagam was brought by the self serving congress

who neglected Tamil and its rich culture . How can we ever think of

not praying with Azhwar pasurams when it was for us to understand so

easily? DMK was split by MGR who belived in God and openly prayed and

that was also a victory for good forces and some credit for that

should go to Rajaji. WE should never fight dravida vedam and the

enormous contributiosn in Tamil by azhwars Nayanmars, Thrumoolar,

Tahaayumanavar.

 

That Mu Ka is winning often is becasue so many of us have deserted TN

amd moved for jobs in other fields professions and work for

foreginers.

Uneless we eschew hatred and not denigrate an Azhwar type man like

Rajaji only MU Ka will succeed

 

Therrazhandur Parthasarathy Sampath

 

Oppiliappan , srinivasan sowmianarayanan

<vasans2004 wrote:

>

> I went through the article. But the only question that comes up to

my mind is: Who was responsible for bringing up this DMK into

prominence? Without " him " would they have come up to the front on the

political arena? I am ashamed of ourselves. The culprit was a

traitor, but even now he is being held in high esteem by the so

called Brahmins. Why the author of this article has omitted that

point? I am really sorry that the facts have not been fully brought

up by the author. By the omission of the very shameful event of the

history, the article deserves to be thrown into the dust-bin.

> Srinivasan

>

> " Dr. Sadagopan " <yennappan wrote:

> Dear Sri Thiruvenaktaswamy :

>

> Thank you for sharing this

> well researched article .

> V.Sadagopan

> - ramanujam thiruvenkataswamy

> yennappan

> Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:17 AM

> Re: [Thatha_Patty] One nice analysis - good to read and

understand

>

>

>

> Respected Dr.Sadagopan,

> Excellent article.If you deem it fit,the same can be released to

our groups.

> With my best respects,

> Adiyen

> T.Ramanujam

>

> Raman K <kraman44 wrote:

>

> KARUNANIDHI †" Persona of Hindu Hatred!

> 9/19/2007 9:35:53 AM B.R.HARAN

>

>

> KARUNANIDHI †" PERSONA OF HINDU HATRED!

>

> The Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Karunanidhi can be personified as a

product of a combination of all evils such as Atheism, Dravidianism,

Selfishness, Hypocrisy, and Hindu-hatred.

>

> The so-called Aryan-Dravidian theory was used by the British to

create a north-south divide and the same was utilized to the hilt by

E.V.Ramaswamy, who founded the Dravidar Kazhagam to come in to the

limelight based on anti-Brahminism. Annadurai, Karunanidhi,

Nedunchezhian, EVK Sampath and a few others joined EVR and together

they worked tirelessly with a sole aim of separating Tamils from the

Hindu fold on the plank that, only Aryans are Hindus and Dravidians

(Tamils) are a separate race being oppressed by the Aryans for more

than three thousand years. Initially, they also had the support of

Justice Party, which was a stooge of the British, and EVR even went

to the extent of observing our independence day, August 15, as

a " Black Day " . Later on, due to personal feud, Annadurai came out of

DK along with Karunanidhi, Nedunchezhian & others to float the

Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK) as an offshoot of DK. In the

inaugural function they had kept one empty chair on the head

> of the dais for EVR, saying that he was their permanent leader.

Both DK and DMK ably aided & supported by Marxist & Dravidian

historians have spoilt three to four generations of Tamils since the

fifties.

>

> Now, DMK President Karunanidhi and DK president Veeramani are

continuing the evil legacy of EVR for the detriment of Tamil Nadu &

Tamils. Through out his political career, Karunanidhi has survived by

adopting the 'divide & rule' policy conceived by the British through

the distortion of our great history and civilization purely for his

selfish interests. In the process, he has never missed out even a

single opportunity to make disparaging remarks on Hindus, Hindu Gods,

Hindu philosophy and Hindu culture apart from denigrating Sanskrit &

Hindi, and simultaneously, he had appeased & appreciated the

interests of minorities (read Muslims & Christians), so that, he can

be at the helm of affairs permanently. While making such remarks, he

never felt shy or shame on exhibiting his lack of knowledge in

History, Religion & Culture.

>

> When the Hindus protested against the installation of EVR's

statue in front of the famous Srirangam Temple, He asked, " When

Temple Towers have nude sculptures and when nude Gods & Goddesses are

kept inside the Temples, what is wrong in having a well dressed EVR

in front of the Temple? " This one statement is enough to prove his

prejudice, perversion and Hindu-hatred. As a Chief Minister, he

always conveys his official greetings to Muslims & Christians on

Ramzaan, Christmas, Milad-un-Nabhi, Bakrid, Good Friday, etc, but he

never greets the Hindus on any of their festivals. He greets the

people only on the day of 'Pongal' (celebrated as Shankranthi in

other parts of the country), saying that Pongal is a Tamil cultural

festival, only with a bad intention of separating the Tamils from the

Hindu fold . Incidentally, this 'rationalist' follows a 'divine

culture' of wearing a 'Yellow Shawl' (the colour of Lord

Dakshinamoorthy) for which he has given hundred and one rationalist

> explanations and not even one was convincing.

>

> A few days back, just before Ganesh Chathurthi festival he had

said, " Lord Ganesha was born in 'Vathapi' (Karnataka) and was brought

to Tamil Nadu from there during Pallava period and hence he is not a

Tamil God " . He knows pretty well that Lord Shiva (Father of Ganesha)

and Lord Muruga (revered as Tamil god & brother of Ganesha) and

Mother Parvathi are all worshipped by Tamils from ancient times, but

then, he always has a sadistic pleasure of demeaning only the Hindu

Gods for the sake of electoral gains. Being well informed on Tamil

Literature, he must be aware of the fact that, Lord Ganesha was

extensively mentioned in Sangam Literature and that even the Shivite

trio of 'Sambandar', 'Appar' and 'Sundarar' have worshipped Lord

Ganesha through their hymns. He must also be aware of the

masterpiece " Vinayagar Agaval " sung by the ancient poet 'Avvaiyar',

but he deliberately makes such humiliating remarks to satisfy his ego

and gets sadistic pleasure out of it. Ironically,

> he shamelessly launched his TV Channel (Kalaignar TV) on the

auspicious day of " Ganesh Chathurthi " . Incidentally due to 'selective

amnesia', the CM has conveniently forgotten the fact that, EVR was a

Kannadiga hailing from Karnataka and that he himself hails from

Andhra, as his mother tongue is Telugu.

>

> Again a few days back, he refused to send his greetings to the

foundation ceremony for the " Baratha Muni Temple " , being built by

Baratha Natyam artist & exponent Padma Subramniam. His contention was

that, only 'Ilango Adigal', who wrote 'Silappathikaram' expounded the

nuances of Baratha Natyam and not 'Baratha Muni'. He went on to say

that, building a memorial for Baratha Muni is a revival of Aryan

oppression of Dravidians. No doubt, it is true that Ilango Adigal

has extensively written in his Silappathikaram about the nuances of

Art and even the measurements of the Arangam (Auditorium)

meticulously. But, it is also true that the art of Baratha Natyam is

divine, founded by Bharatha Muni, much before the times of Ilango

Adigal and Ilango Adigal has not invented or discovered the art, but

only explained the facts, which were already there in practice. But,

the alleged actual reason for Karunanidhi's refusal to send greetings

is that, Padma Subramaniam has laid the

> foundation on a piece of land (5 Acres) donated by the government

of Tamil Nadu, when Jayalalitha was the CM and that Padma is a good

friend of Jayalalitha and that both of them are Brahmins.

>

> Sometimes, he over acts and entertains us with his rationalist

wisecracks. A few days back, he amused us with his finding of a

meaning, Sanskrit meaning, for the word " Kalaignar " . He said

that, " Kalaignar " means " Shastri " and cited the name of the famous

poet & writer Surya Narayana Shastri, who changed his name as Parithi

Mar Kalaignar in his later part of life. " Parithi " in Sanskrit

means " Surya " (Sun) in Tamil and " Maal " means " Narayanan " (Lord

Vishnu) and " Shastri " means " Kalaignar " . 'Kalaignar' can also be

interpreted as 'entertainer'!

>

> Last & latest but not the least, In the wake of central

government's bungling in the affidavit submitted by the ASI to the

Supreme Court and consequently withdrawing it after a nation wide

protest from Hindu majority, a disappointed Karunanidhi felt let down

by the center and hence fired his anti-Hindu salvos at the annual

anti-Hindu congregation called the " Mupperum Vizha " (a celebration of

birth anniversaries of EVR, Annadurai & DMK party). He had said that

there was nothing wrong in the affidavit, which mentioned that Lord

Rama, Ramayana & Rama Sethu were mere myth and there is no historical

proof for their existence. He had also cited the observation of

Jawaharlal Nehru in his 'Discovery of India' as evidence, as if Nehru

was the voice of India. It is a well-known fact that Nehru himself

was an anti-Hindu, as evidenced by his famous statement, " I am a

Hindu by the accident of birth " . Karunanidhi also went on to

say, " Some say there was a person over 17 lakh years ago.

> His name was Ramar. Do not touch the bridge constructed by him,

they are saying. But then, from which engineering college had he

graduated? Is there any proof for this? " This kind of a statement

ridiculing Lord Rama, who is the most revered God of the country and

Hindus living world over, is unwarranted and uncalled for, that too

from the Chief Minister in his official capacity as the state head,

and needs to be condemned in the strongest of terms. After all, he

got to his office only by the votes of majority, who have faith in

God. To make matters worse, the leader of the " Black Rats " ,

K.Veeramani, who has said that he would organize statewide agitations

in support of the withdrawn affidavits, also supports him. The

mistake of " Raja " (King or the government head) will only lead to the

sufferings of his " Prajaas " (innocent people), as evidenced by the

death of the innocent persons in the burnt down bus near Bangalore.

> In the same function, touching his pet Aryan-Dravidian theory,

he said, " Rama is an Aryan God and Ravana is a Dravidian and the

communal (read Hindu) organizations working against Sethusamudhram

project are Aryans trying to stall the development of Dravidian Tamil

Nadu " . A look at the true history would teach us that, Lord Ganesha,

Lord Muruga, Lord Rama, Sage Agasthya & Bharatha Muni are among the

many Gods & Sages, who were responsible for the evolving &

flourishing of the Vedic Civilisation & Culture including the so-

called Tamil culture. The history also says that, 'Pulasthiya

Maharishi' was the grand father of Ravana and 'Vishravavasu' was the

father of Ravana and they hail from the clan of 'Kasyapa Maharishi'.

Hence, Ravana was a Brahmin and a great Shiva Baktha. He was also an

exponent of 'Saama Vedha' and a great musician, an expert with Veena.

On the other hand, Lord Rama was a Kshathriya belonging to " Ikshvagu

Vamsaa " or " Raghu Vamsaa " .

> Karunanidhi's statements have invited strong reactions within

Tamil Nadu and the first reaction apart from the state Hindu outfits

was from the strong 'Vanniyar Sangam'. The Vanniyars belong to the

Kshathriya Varna and since Lord Rama was a Kshathriya, the sangam

felt offended and had come out with a severe warning to the CM

demanding an unconditional apology, while also criticizing his

ordinance on 7% reservations for minorities ( 3.5 % each for Muslims

& Christians) from within the 30% quota of the MBCs, as their quota

has been reduced to 23%. Actor Sarath Kumar, who plunged in to

politics recently and claims of representing the Nadar Community, has

also condemned the Chief minister for hurting the Hindu sentiments.

Now, the Tamil Nadu Congress, which is already losing its presence in

the state, is terribly worried at the impending loss of heavy Hindu

vote percentage because of Karunanidhi's insensitive diatribes

against Hindus.

> The " Hindu history " is the history of India, or rather, the

history of Baratha Varsha, which has been clearly documented with

unquestionable evidences.

> Karunanidhi was a born anti-Hindu and he had developed his

political career on anti-Hinduism and it is too late on his part to

change his mentality & mend his ways and it is also too naïve on our

part to expect him to change. It is only the people of Tamil Nadu,

who have to change, by rejecting the Dravidian parties and their

leaders, for their own benefits and for the betterment of Tamil Nadu.

> I remember, as a young school boy, during the discussions between

the elders of our family, they used to say, " The 'sins' committed by

the Hindus have taken the forms of EVR, Karunanidhi, Veeramani and

the likes and that is why we are suffering at the hands of these

Dravidian leaders for the sins committed by us " . Now, after having

grown up by seeing the politics of hatred, cowardice, cunningness,

crime, corruption, selective rationalism and stinking pseudo-

secularism, I totally agree with the elders of my family.

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Dear Shri. Srinivasan Sowminarayanan,This is not way to respond. Throwing the ariticle into the dustbin is something uncalled for. We have to take the finer pints into account.In that way all of us are responsible for this sorry state of affairs.In my view, we should restrain ourselves when criticising a genius.Thanking you,T.Ramanujamsrinivasan sowmianarayanan <vasans2004 wrote: I went through the article. But the only question that comes up to my mind is: Who was responsible for bringing up this DMK into

prominence? Without "him" would they have come up to the front on the political arena? I am ashamed of ourselves. The culprit was a traitor, but even now he is being held in high esteem by the so called Brahmins. Why the author of this article has omitted that point? I am really sorry that the facts have not been fully brought up by the author. By the omission of the very shameful event of the history, the article deserves to be thrown into the dust-bin. Srinivasan "Dr. Sadagopan" <yennappan (AT) computer (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Sri Thiruvenaktaswamy : Thank you for sharing this well

researched article . V.Sadagopan - ramanujam thiruvenkataswamy yennappan (AT) computer (DOT) net Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:17 AM Re: [Thatha_Patty] One nice analysis - good to read and understand Respected Dr.Sadagopan,Excellent article.If you deem it

fit,the same can be released to our groups.With my best respects,AdiyenT.RamanujamRaman K <kraman44 > wrote: KARUNANIDHI – Persona of Hindu Hatred!9/19/2007 9:35:53 AM B.R.HARAN KARUNANIDHI – PERSONA OF HINDU HATRED! The Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Karunanidhi can be personified as a product of a combination of all evils such as Atheism, Dravidianism, Selfishness, Hypocrisy, and Hindu-hatred. The so-called Aryan-Dravidian theory was used by the British to create a north-south divide and the same was utilized to the hilt by E.V.Ramaswamy, who founded the Dravidar Kazhagam to come in to the limelight based on anti-Brahminism. Annadurai, Karunanidhi, Nedunchezhian, EVK Sampath and a few others joined EVR and together they worked tirelessly with a sole aim of separating Tamils from the Hindu fold on the plank that, only Aryans are Hindus and Dravidians (Tamils) are a separate race being oppressed by the Aryans for more than three thousand years. Initially, they also

had the support of Justice Party, which was a stooge of the British, and EVR even went to the extent of observing our independence day, August 15, as a "Black Day". Later on, due to personal feud, Annadurai came out of DK along with Karunanidhi, Nedunchezhian & others to float the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK) as an offshoot of DK. In the inaugural function they had kept one empty chair on the head of the dais for EVR, saying that he was their permanent leader. Both DK and DMK ably aided & supported by Marxist & Dravidian historians have spoilt three to four generations of Tamils since the fifties. Now, DMK President Karunanidhi and DK president Veeramani are continuing the evil legacy of EVR for the detriment of Tamil Nadu & Tamils. Through out his political career, Karunanidhi has

survived by adopting the 'divide & rule' policy conceived by the British through the distortion of our great history and civilization purely for his selfish interests. In the process, he has never missed out even a single opportunity to make disparaging remarks on Hindus, Hindu Gods, Hindu philosophy and Hindu culture apart from denigrating Sanskrit & Hindi, and simultaneously, he had appeased & appreciated the interests of minorities (read Muslims & Christians), so that, he can be at the helm of affairs permanently. While making such remarks, he never felt shy or shame on exhibiting his lack of knowledge in History, Religion & Culture. When the Hindus protested against the installation of EVR's statue in front of the famous Srirangam Temple, He asked, "When Temple Towers have nude

sculptures and when nude Gods & Goddesses are kept inside the Temples, what is wrong in having a well dressed EVR in front of the Temple?" This one statement is enough to prove his prejudice, perversion and Hindu-hatred. As a Chief Minister, he always conveys his official greetings to Muslims & Christians on Ramzaan, Christmas, Milad-un-Nabhi, Bakrid, Good Friday, etc, but he never greets the Hindus on any of their festivals. He greets the people only on the day of 'Pongal' (celebrated as Shankranthi in other parts of the country), saying that Pongal is a Tamil cultural festival, only with a bad intention of separating the Tamils from the Hindu fold . Incidentally, this 'rationalist' follows a 'divine culture' of wearing a 'Yellow Shawl' (the colour of Lord Dakshinamoorthy) for which he has given hundred and one rationalist explanations and not even one was convincing. A few days back, just before Ganesh Chathurthi festival he had said, "Lord Ganesha was born in 'Vathapi' (Karnataka) and was brought to Tamil Nadu from there during Pallava period and hence he is not a Tamil God". He knows pretty well that Lord Shiva (Father of Ganesha) and Lord Muruga (revered as Tamil god & brother of Ganesha) and Mother Parvathi are all worshipped by Tamils from ancient times, but then, he always has a sadistic pleasure of demeaning only the Hindu Gods for the sake of electoral gains. Being well informed on Tamil Literature, he must be aware of the fact that, Lord Ganesha was extensively mentioned in Sangam Literature and that even the Shivite trio of 'Sambandar', 'Appar' and 'Sundarar' have worshipped Lord Ganesha through their hymns. He must also be aware of the masterpiece "Vinayagar Agaval" sung by the ancient

poet 'Avvaiyar', but he deliberately makes such humiliating remarks to satisfy his ego and gets sadistic pleasure out of it. Ironically, he shamelessly launched his TV Channel (Kalaignar TV) on the auspicious day of "Ganesh Chathurthi". Incidentally due to 'selective amnesia', the CM has conveniently forgotten the fact that, EVR was a Kannadiga hailing from Karnataka and that he himself hails from Andhra, as his mother tongue is Telugu. Again a few days back, he refused to send his greetings to the foundation ceremony for the "Baratha Muni Temple", being built by Baratha Natyam artist & exponent Padma Subramniam. His contention was that, only 'Ilango Adigal', who wrote 'Silappathikaram' expounded the nuances of Baratha Natyam and not 'Baratha Muni'.

He went on to say that, building a memorial for Baratha Muni is a revival of Aryan oppression of Dravidians. No doubt, it is true that Ilango Adigal has extensively written in his Silappathikaram about the nuances of Art and even the measurements of the Arangam (Auditorium) meticulously. But, it is also true that the art of Baratha Natyam is divine, founded by Bharatha Muni, much before the times of Ilango Adigal and Ilango Adigal has not invented or discovered the art, but only explained the facts, which were already there in practice. But, the alleged actual reason for Karunanidhi's refusal to send greetings is that, Padma Subramaniam has laid the foundation on a piece of land (5 Acres) donated by the government of Tamil Nadu, when Jayalalitha was the CM and that Padma is a good friend of Jayalalitha and that both of them are Brahmins. Sometimes, he over acts and entertains us with his rationalist wisecracks. A few days back, he amused us with his finding of a meaning, Sanskrit meaning, for the word "Kalaignar". He said that, "Kalaignar" means "Shastri" and cited the name of the famous poet & writer Surya Narayana Shastri, who changed his name as Parithi Mar Kalaignar in his later part of life. "Parithi" in Sanskrit means "Surya" (Sun) in Tamil and "Maal" means "Narayanan" (Lord Vishnu) and "Shastri" means "Kalaignar". 'Kalaignar' can also be interpreted as 'entertainer'! Last & latest but not the least, In the wake of central government's bungling in the affidavit submitted by the ASI to the Supreme Court and consequently

withdrawing it after a nation wide protest from Hindu majority, a disappointed Karunanidhi felt let down by the center and hence fired his anti-Hindu salvos at the annual anti-Hindu congregation called the "Mupperum Vizha" (a celebration of birth anniversaries of EVR, Annadurai & DMK party). He had said that there was nothing wrong in the affidavit, which mentioned that Lord Rama, Ramayana & Rama Sethu were mere myth and there is no historical proof for their existence. He had also cited the observation of Jawaharlal Nehru in his 'Discovery of India' as evidence, as if Nehru was the voice of India. It is a well-known fact that Nehru himself was an anti-Hindu, as evidenced by his famous statement, "I am a Hindu by the accident of birth". Karunanidhi also went on to say, "Some say there was a person over 17 lakh years ago. His name was Ramar. Do not touch the bridge constructed by him, they are saying. But then, from which engineering college had he graduated? Is

there any proof for this?" This kind of a statement ridiculing Lord Rama, who is the most revered God of the country and Hindus living world over, is unwarranted and uncalled for, that too from the Chief Minister in his official capacity as the state head, and needs to be condemned in the strongest of terms. After all, he got to his office only by the votes of majority, who have faith in God. To make matters worse, the leader of the "Black Rats", K.Veeramani, who has said that he would organize statewide agitations in support of the withdrawn affidavits, also supports him. The mistake of "Raja" (King or the government head) will only lead to the sufferings of his "Prajaas" (innocent people), as evidenced by the death of the innocent persons in the burnt down bus near Bangalore. In the same function, touching his pet Aryan-Dravidian theory, he said, "Rama is an Aryan God and

Ravana is a Dravidian and the communal (read Hindu) organizations working against Sethusamudhram project are Aryans trying to stall the development of Dravidian Tamil Nadu". A look at the true history would teach us that, Lord Ganesha, Lord Muruga, Lord Rama, Sage Agasthya & Bharatha Muni are among the many Gods & Sages, who were responsible for the evolving & flourishing of the Vedic Civilisation & Culture including the so-called Tamil culture. The history also says that, 'Pulasthiya Maharishi' was the grand father of Ravana and 'Vishravavasu' was the father of Ravana and they hail from the clan of 'Kasyapa Maharishi'. Hence, Ravana was a Brahmin and a great Shiva Baktha. He was also an exponent of 'Saama Vedha' and a great musician, an expert with Veena. On the other hand, Lord Rama was a Kshathriya belonging to "Ikshvagu Vamsaa" or "Raghu Vamsaa". Karunanidhi's

statements have invited strong reactions within Tamil Nadu and the first reaction apart from the state Hindu outfits was from the strong 'Vanniyar Sangam'. The Vanniyars belong to the Kshathriya Varna and since Lord Rama was a Kshathriya, the sangam felt offended and had come out with a severe warning to the CM demanding an unconditional apology, while also criticizing his ordinance on 7% reservations for minorities ( 3.5 % each for Muslims & Christians) from within the 30% quota of the MBCs, as their quota has been reduced to 23%. Actor Sarath Kumar, who plunged in to politics recently and claims of representing the Nadar Community, has also condemned the Chief minister for hurting the Hindu sentiments. Now, the Tamil Nadu Congress, which is already losing its presence in the state, is terribly worried at the impending loss of heavy Hindu vote percentage because of Karunanidhi's insensitive diatribes against Hindus. The "Hindu history" is the history of India, or rather, the history of Baratha Varsha, which has been clearly documented with unquestionable evidences. Karunanidhi was a born anti-Hindu and he had developed his political career on anti-Hinduism and it is too late on his part to change his mentality & mend his ways and it is also too naïve on our part to expect him to change. It is only the people of Tamil Nadu, who have to change, by rejecting the Dravidian parties and their leaders, for their own benefits and for the betterment of Tamil Nadu. I remember, as a young school boy, during the discussions between the elders of our family, they used to say, "The 'sins' committed by the Hindus have

taken the forms of EVR, Karunanidhi, Veeramani and the likes and that is why we are suffering at the hands of these Dravidian leaders for the sins committed by us". Now, after having grown up by seeing the politics of hatred, cowardice, cunningness, crime, corruption, selective rationalism and stinking pseudo-secularism, I totally agree with the elders of my family. Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives

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Why are you afraid of naming the so called " him " ?

And everybody knows it is Rajaji !

At that time he had to tackle the strong Congress

party and he used DMK to down Kamaraj. what he had

done may be wrong now but may not be wrong at his

time.

And naming him a traitor speaks of the perversion and

hatred you have got against him. Not that I argue what

he had done is right but naming him a traitor is too

much !

 

All people make mistakes and some mistakes are dearly.

Rajaji had done a great msitake in bringing DMK to

power but so is Kamaraj who brought Indira Gandhi to

power as a result of which the nation had to suffer

evils like emergency. And nobody calls Kamaraj a

traitor! Nehru tok Kashmir issue to UN which still

remains the main point of issue btetween us and

Pakistan but nobody called him a traitor!

 

If commiting a mistake makes one traitor, then nobody

will be left alone and everybdoy may be termed a

traitor. And please note I am not a supporter of

Rajaji (rather I am against him), but that does not

make him not a towering personality !

 

All men make mistakes ! Great men make great mistakes

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--- srinivasan sowmianarayanan <vasans2004

wrote:

 

> I went through the article. But the only question

> that comes up to my mind is: Who was responsible for

> bringing up this DMK into prominence? Without " him "

> would they have come up to the front on the

> political arena? I am ashamed of ourselves. The

> culprit was a traitor, but even now he is being

> held in high esteem by the so called Brahmins. Why

> the author of this article has omitted that point? I

> am really sorry that the facts have not been fully

> brought up by the author. By the omission of the

> very shameful event of the history, the article

> deserves to be thrown into the dust-bin.

> Srinivasan

>

 

 

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Re: Fw: [Thatha_Patty] One nice analysis - good to read and understand

 

From mail I received from Mr. Srivatasa Brahma

thought of sharing an article that i had read some time ago on the communist tabloid "The Hindu" which had carried this article from another communist tabloid "The Guardian" of UK:http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1532781,00.html The article is interesting because i think it captures the diabolical minds such as that of karuNAnidhi. As in: "Nowadays, if someone is vastly more talented than us, we don't congratulate them - we envy them and resent their success. It seems we don't want heroes we can admire, so much as heroes we can identify with.We want to think we could be like them, and so we make sure to select heroes that are like us. We worship David Beckham because he's fallible. If Achilles were around today, the headlines would all be about his heel." a more hard hitting punch is this. this is about democracy and what it leads to. this captures the state of affairs in India in general and more specifically tamiL nADu: "We allow halfwits to become celebrities precisely because there is no great gap separating them from us. That consoles us, because it makes us think that we could be famous if we had a bit more luck, or if we tried a bit harder. We can't bear the idea that some people might be better than us, so much better that we could never be like them, no matter how hard we tried. That upsets our democratic ethos, our belief that all people are born equal." the wave of pedestrianism that has descended into the tamil movies, film music etc. these days only strengthen the contention that it is a society which is going to decay and perish, unless it starts taking pride in the achievements of its forefathers. This is only possible if the diabolical and human hating ideology of dravidianism is defeated. The decay wrought upon tamiLnADu by karuNAnidhi and his ideological father periyar (the founding father of dravidianism) is captured in the following article:

http://www.boloji.com/analysis2/0148.htm In particular, the following: " The quintessence of rational-racial Dravidianism is that spiritual knowledge is superstitious and secular ignorance is rational; character is superstitious and debauchery is rational; chastity is superstitious and prostitution of mind, body, heart and soul is rational; discipline superstitious and indiscipline is rational; accepted truth is superstitious and blatant untruth is rational, refinement is superstitious and brutality is rational; justice is superstitious and rapacity is rational, counsels of the wise and the good are generally superstitious and the flattery of knaves particularly rational. And finally to crown it all having a legally wedded wife is superstitious and irrational and having innumerable concubines is logically rational."svasti, JAYA BHAARATII,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Joining the debate, I can only say that 'politicians should remember that politics is a bed of roses filled with soft petals amidst pricky thorns. Whereas the petals will wilt, the thorns would remian pricky for ever'. History shows that politics and politicians bend to the tunes of the times, but regret or rejoice later, based on how wisely they have handled the situations on hand. Let us hope that wisdom prevails now and there be no hatred and anger for the future to be bright, beautiful and blemishless. Aravamudhan Raman aravaram gvssampath <gvssampath wrote: i AM Sorry to see mudslinging on Rajaji is implied here. He was the tallest Iyengar i have seen in perosn who practiced true Ramanuja philosophy which implied we shed our hatred of other castes. I was brought up in a village in Tanjore in early 50s and have seen the almost apartheid type habits we had. Rajaji fought this openly. even today if only we have integrated other castes sooner we would not have seen other religions chipping away Hinduisum. Rajaji showed the way, was an ardent Bhaktha and wrote so well to impress the younger generation. even today his Ramayana and Mahabharatha command attention in the book shelf.The rise of Dravida Kazhagam was brought by the self serving congress who neglected Tamil and its rich culture . How can we ever

think of not praying with Azhwar pasurams when it was for us to understand so easily? DMK was split by MGR who belived in God and openly prayed and that was also a victory for good forces and some credit for that should go to Rajaji. WE should never fight dravida vedam and the enormous contributiosn in Tamil by azhwars Nayanmars, Thrumoolar, Tahaayumanavar.That Mu Ka is winning often is becasue so many of us have deserted TN amd moved for jobs in other fields professions and work for foreginers.Uneless we eschew hatred and not denigrate an Azhwar type man like Rajaji only MU Ka will succeedTherrazhandur Parthasarathy SampathOppiliappan , srinivasan sowmianarayanan <vasans2004 wrote:>> I went through the article. But the only question that comes up to my mind is: Who was responsible for

bringing up this DMK into prominence? Without "him" would they have come up to the front on the political arena? I am ashamed of ourselves. The culprit was a traitor, but even now he is being held in high esteem by the so called Brahmins. Why the author of this article has omitted that point? I am really sorry that the facts have not been fully brought up by the author. By the omission of the very shameful event of the history, the article deserves to be thrown into the dust-bin.> Srinivasan > > "Dr. Sadagopan" <yennappan wrote:> Dear Sri Thiruvenaktaswamy :> > Thank you for sharing this > well researched article .> V.Sadagopan > - ramanujam thiruvenkataswamy > yennappan > Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:17 AM> Re: [Thatha_Patty] One nice analysis - good to read and

understand> > > > Respected Dr.Sadagopan,> Excellent article.If you deem it fit,the same can be released to our groups.> With my best respects,> Adiyen> T.Ramanujam> > Raman K <kraman44 wrote: > > KARUNANIDHI â€" Persona of Hindu Hatred!> 9/19/2007 9:35:53 AM B.R.HARAN > > > KARUNANIDHI â€" PERSONA OF HINDU HATRED! > > The Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Karunanidhi can be personified as a product of a combination of all evils such as Atheism, Dravidianism, Selfishness, Hypocrisy, and Hindu-hatred. > > The so-called Aryan-Dravidian theory was used by the British to create a north-south divide and the same was utilized to the hilt by E.V.Ramaswamy, who founded the Dravidar Kazhagam to come in to the limelight based on anti-Brahminism. Annadurai, Karunanidhi, Nedunchezhian, EVK Sampath and a few

others joined EVR and together they worked tirelessly with a sole aim of separating Tamils from the Hindu fold on the plank that, only Aryans are Hindus and Dravidians (Tamils) are a separate race being oppressed by the Aryans for more than three thousand years. Initially, they also had the support of Justice Party, which was a stooge of the British, and EVR even went to the extent of observing our independence day, August 15, as a "Black Day". Later on, due to personal feud, Annadurai came out of DK along with Karunanidhi, Nedunchezhian & others to float the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK) as an offshoot of DK. In the inaugural function they had kept one empty chair on the head> of the dais for EVR, saying that he was their permanent leader. Both DK and DMK ably aided & supported by Marxist & Dravidian historians have spoilt three to four generations of Tamils since the fifties. > > Now,

DMK President Karunanidhi and DK president Veeramani are continuing the evil legacy of EVR for the detriment of Tamil Nadu & Tamils. Through out his political career, Karunanidhi has survived by adopting the 'divide & rule' policy conceived by the British through the distortion of our great history and civilization purely for his selfish interests. In the process, he has never missed out even a single opportunity to make disparaging remarks on Hindus, Hindu Gods, Hindu philosophy and Hindu culture apart from denigrating Sanskrit & Hindi, and simultaneously, he had appeased & appreciated the interests of minorities (read Muslims & Christians), so that, he can be at the helm of affairs permanently. While making such remarks, he never felt shy or shame on exhibiting his lack of knowledge in History, Religion & Culture. > > When the Hindus protested against the installation of EVR's

statue in front of the famous Srirangam Temple, He asked, "When Temple Towers have nude sculptures and when nude Gods & Goddesses are kept inside the Temples, what is wrong in having a well dressed EVR in front of the Temple?" This one statement is enough to prove his prejudice, perversion and Hindu-hatred. As a Chief Minister, he always conveys his official greetings to Muslims & Christians on Ramzaan, Christmas, Milad-un-Nabhi, Bakrid, Good Friday, etc, but he never greets the Hindus on any of their festivals. He greets the people only on the day of 'Pongal' (celebrated as Shankranthi in other parts of the country), saying that Pongal is a Tamil cultural festival, only with a bad intention of separating the Tamils from the Hindu fold . Incidentally, this 'rationalist' follows a 'divine culture' of wearing a 'Yellow Shawl' (the colour of Lord Dakshinamoorthy) for which he has given hundred and one

rationalist> explanations and not even one was convincing. > > A few days back, just before Ganesh Chathurthi festival he had said, "Lord Ganesha was born in 'Vathapi' (Karnataka) and was brought to Tamil Nadu from there during Pallava period and hence he is not a Tamil God". He knows pretty well that Lord Shiva (Father of Ganesha) and Lord Muruga (revered as Tamil god & brother of Ganesha) and Mother Parvathi are all worshipped by Tamils from ancient times, but then, he always has a sadistic pleasure of demeaning only the Hindu Gods for the sake of electoral gains. Being well informed on Tamil Literature, he must be aware of the fact that, Lord Ganesha was extensively mentioned in Sangam Literature and that even the Shivite trio of 'Sambandar', 'Appar' and 'Sundarar' have worshipped Lord Ganesha through their hymns. He must also be aware of the masterpiece "Vinayagar Agaval" sung by the ancient poet

'Avvaiyar', but he deliberately makes such humiliating remarks to satisfy his ego and gets sadistic pleasure out of it. Ironically,> he shamelessly launched his TV Channel (Kalaignar TV) on the auspicious day of "Ganesh Chathurthi". Incidentally due to 'selective amnesia', the CM has conveniently forgotten the fact that, EVR was a Kannadiga hailing from Karnataka and that he himself hails from Andhra, as his mother tongue is Telugu. > > Again a few days back, he refused to send his greetings to the foundation ceremony for the "Baratha Muni Temple", being built by Baratha Natyam artist & exponent Padma Subramniam. His contention was that, only 'Ilango Adigal', who wrote 'Silappathikaram' expounded the nuances of Baratha Natyam and not 'Baratha Muni'. He went on to say that, building a memorial for Baratha Muni is a revival of Aryan oppression of Dravidians. No doubt, it is true that Ilango Adigal

has extensively written in his Silappathikaram about the nuances of Art and even the measurements of the Arangam (Auditorium) meticulously. But, it is also true that the art of Baratha Natyam is divine, founded by Bharatha Muni, much before the times of Ilango Adigal and Ilango Adigal has not invented or discovered the art, but only explained the facts, which were already there in practice. But, the alleged actual reason for Karunanidhi's refusal to send greetings is that, Padma Subramaniam has laid the> foundation on a piece of land (5 Acres) donated by the government of Tamil Nadu, when Jayalalitha was the CM and that Padma is a good friend of Jayalalitha and that both of them are Brahmins. > > Sometimes, he over acts and entertains us with his rationalist wisecracks. A few days back, he amused us with his finding of a meaning, Sanskrit meaning, for the word "Kalaignar". He said that,

"Kalaignar" means "Shastri" and cited the name of the famous poet & writer Surya Narayana Shastri, who changed his name as Parithi Mar Kalaignar in his later part of life. "Parithi" in Sanskrit means "Surya" (Sun) in Tamil and "Maal" means "Narayanan" (Lord Vishnu) and "Shastri" means "Kalaignar". 'Kalaignar' can also be interpreted as 'entertainer'! > > Last & latest but not the least, In the wake of central government's bungling in the affidavit submitted by the ASI to the Supreme Court and consequently withdrawing it after a nation wide protest from Hindu majority, a disappointed Karunanidhi felt let down by the center and hence fired his anti-Hindu salvos at the annual anti-Hindu congregation called the "Mupperum Vizha" (a celebration of birth anniversaries of EVR, Annadurai & DMK party). He had said that there was nothing wrong in the affidavit, which mentioned that Lord Rama, Ramayana

& Rama Sethu were mere myth and there is no historical proof for their existence. He had also cited the observation of Jawaharlal Nehru in his 'Discovery of India' as evidence, as if Nehru was the voice of India. It is a well-known fact that Nehru himself was an anti-Hindu, as evidenced by his famous statement, "I am a Hindu by the accident of birth". Karunanidhi also went on to say, "Some say there was a person over 17 lakh years ago.> His name was Ramar. Do not touch the bridge constructed by him, they are saying. But then, from which engineering college had he graduated? Is there any proof for this?" This kind of a statement ridiculing Lord Rama, who is the most revered God of the country and Hindus living world over, is unwarranted and uncalled for, that too from the Chief Minister in his official capacity as the state head, and needs to be condemned in the strongest of terms. After all, he got to his

office only by the votes of majority, who have faith in God. To make matters worse, the leader of the "Black Rats", K.Veeramani, who has said that he would organize statewide agitations in support of the withdrawn affidavits, also supports him. The mistake of "Raja" (King or the government head) will only lead to the sufferings of his "Prajaas" (innocent people), as evidenced by the death of the innocent persons in the burnt down bus near Bangalore. > In the same function, touching his pet Aryan-Dravidian theory, he said, "Rama is an Aryan God and Ravana is a Dravidian and the communal (read Hindu) organizations working against Sethusamudhram project are Aryans trying to stall the development of Dravidian Tamil Nadu". A look at the true history would teach us that, Lord Ganesha, Lord Muruga, Lord Rama, Sage Agasthya & Bharatha Muni are among the many Gods & Sages, who were responsible for the evolving &

flourishing of the Vedic Civilisation & Culture including the so-called Tamil culture. The history also says that, 'Pulasthiya Maharishi' was the grand father of Ravana and 'Vishravavasu' was the father of Ravana and they hail from the clan of 'Kasyapa Maharishi'. Hence, Ravana was a Brahmin and a great Shiva Baktha. He was also an exponent of 'Saama Vedha' and a great musician, an expert with Veena. On the other hand, Lord Rama was a Kshathriya belonging to "Ikshvagu Vamsaa" or "Raghu Vamsaa". > Karunanidhi's statements have invited strong reactions within Tamil Nadu and the first reaction apart from the state Hindu outfits was from the strong 'Vanniyar Sangam'. The Vanniyars belong to the Kshathriya Varna and since Lord Rama was a Kshathriya, the sangam felt offended and had come out with a severe warning to the CM demanding an unconditional apology, while also criticizing his ordinance on 7%

reservations for minorities ( 3.5 % each for Muslims & Christians) from within the 30% quota of the MBCs, as their quota has been reduced to 23%. Actor Sarath Kumar, who plunged in to politics recently and claims of representing the Nadar Community, has also condemned the Chief minister for hurting the Hindu sentiments. Now, the Tamil Nadu Congress, which is already losing its presence in the state, is terribly worried at the impending loss of heavy Hindu vote percentage because of Karunanidhi's insensitive diatribes against Hindus. > The "Hindu history" is the history of India, or rather, the history of Baratha Varsha, which has been clearly documented with unquestionable evidences. > Karunanidhi was a born anti-Hindu and he had developed his political career on anti-Hinduism and it is too late on his part to change his mentality & mend his ways and it is also too naïve on our part to expect

him to change. It is only the people of Tamil Nadu, who have to change, by rejecting the Dravidian parties and their leaders, for their own benefits and for the betterment of Tamil Nadu. > I remember, as a young school boy, during the discussions between the elders of our family, they used to say, "The 'sins' committed by the Hindus have taken the forms of EVR, Karunanidhi, Veeramani and the likes and that is why we are suffering at the hands of these Dravidian leaders for the sins committed by us". Now, after having grown up by seeing the politics of hatred, cowardice, cunningness, crime, corruption, selective rationalism and stinking pseudo-secularism, I totally agree with the elders of my family. > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. > > > > >

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