Fw: Re:Bhattar's sarcasm and some Qs thereof

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sri sadagopanji, pranams, I heard from Paramacharya( Chandrasekarendra saraswati swamiji of sankara mutt) that, the departed soul may take any form as per their karma. Shardda given to them on their date and thitti of death, will reach them as paddy if they are in the form of birds, as biscuit if they have the form of dog and as Bidcha, if they have taken the form of Maanusha. Whether this explanation, even in the crude form is right?. This explanation was given by him to a person who said that he is donating to the poor on the day of his fathers' death but not doing the Shardda (thevasam)to his father. Explanation for doing Thevasam to the departed elders will be of much use not only to me but to all. adiyen, Tulasi Venkata Ramagopal tvramagopal ramagopal.1955 "Dr. Sadagopan" <yennappan wrote: Dear All : This is a Message from Sriman Anbil Srinivasan in a sister list that might be of interest to you all. This question comes up often . Thanks Sri SrinivAsan ! V.Sadagopan Swamins I am sorry to find the attachment I sent has not been carried with my mail on the subject. I am now giving the text of the extract mentioned in my earlier mail now your attetion. With regards, Dasan Srinivasan Extract From “Puranic Encyclopaedia” (Published by Motilal Banarsidass) :- Pitrus are a set of demigods. From Manuprajapathi, son of Brahma, were born the Saptarisis like Marici and

they in turn created the Pitrus. Besides Marici his set, many others like Virat Purana and Brahma have created Pitrs. Some Puranas state that Pirus are of daily creation. Brahma in the beginning created three sets of Pitrus with form and four with brightness making ths seven sets. The three sets of bodied pitrs are Agnisvattas, Barhisadas and Somapas and the four bright ones are Yama, Anala, Soma and Aryaman (10th Skanda, Devi Bhagavata). A quotation from Mansmriti, Sloka 194, Chapter 8. It may be seen from the text of Manusmriti. Pitrus (manes) are classified into two types: The Agniavattas and Barhisadas. Of these, the Agnivattas do not perform Yagas and the Barhisadas are those who perform yagas. Besides these two

major divisions they are classified into many other groups. . .. …. Performing a Sraddha (offering obsequial oblations to the departed) is just a yagna. The oblations should be offered in either silver or silver cum copper pots. Visvadevas are the guardians of Pitrus. Therefore, the oblations should be offered after worshipping the Visvadevas first and then the Pitrus and then Vishnu. SRAADDHA – The offering given to pitrus. According to Puranas, Sraaddha is a very important ceremony. Here, “pitrus” does not mean “the souls of the dead”. Pitrus belong to special class of gods. ---- . T.V.Ramagopal

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Dear Sri Ramagopal Tulasi Venkata :

 

I know that there are a lot of

confusions about Sraaddham , Pithrus

and PrapannAs .

 

I will try to answer these questions

in a few days time .

 

NamO NarAyaNAya ,

V.Sadagopan

 

 

 

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RAMAGOPAL TULASI VENKATA

Oppiliappan

Monday, November 19, 2007 8:47 AM

Re: Fw: Re:Bhattar's sarcasm and some Qs thereof

 

sri sadagopanji,

 

pranams,

 

I heard from Paramacharya( Chandrasekarendra saraswati swamiji of sankara mutt) that, the departed soul may take any form as per their karma. Shardda given to them on their date and thitti of death, will reach them as paddy if they are in the form of birds, as biscuit if they have the form of dog and as Bidcha, if they have taken the form of Maanusha.

 

Whether this explanation, even in the crude form is right?. This explanation was given by him to a person who said that he is donating to the poor on the day of his fathers' death but not doing the Shardda (thevasam)to his father.

 

Explanation for doing Thevasam to the departed elders will be of much use not only to me but to all.

 

adiyen, Tulasi Venkata Ramagopal

 

tvramagopal

ramagopal.1955

 

"Dr. Sadagopan" <yennappan wrote:

 

 

 

Dear All :

 

This is a Message from Sriman Anbil Srinivasan

in a sister list that might be of interest to you all.

This question comes up often . Thanks Sri SrinivAsan !

 

V.Sadagopan

 

 

 

Swamins I am sorry to find the attachment I sent has not been carried with my mail on the subject. I am now giving the text of the extract mentioned in my earlier mail now your attetion.

With regards,

Dasan Srinivasan

 

Extract From “Puranic Encyclopaedia” (Published by Motilal Banarsidass) :-

 

Pitrus are a set of demigods. From Manuprajapathi, son of Brahma, were born the Saptarisis like Marici and they in turn created the Pitrus. Besides Marici his set, many others like Virat Purana and Brahma have created Pitrs. Some Puranas state that Pirus are of daily creation. Brahma in the beginning created three sets of Pitrus with form and four with brightness making ths seven sets. The three sets of bodied pitrs are Agnisvattas, Barhisadas and Somapas and the four bright ones are Yama, Anala, Soma and Aryaman (10th Skanda, Devi Bhagavata).

A quotation from Mansmriti, Sloka 194, Chapter 8. It may be seen from the text of Manusmriti.

 

Pitrus (manes) are classified into two types: The Agniavattas and Barhisadas. Of these, the Agnivattas do not perform Yagas and the Barhisadas are those who perform yagas. Besides these two major divisions they are classified into many other groups. . .. ….

 

Performing a Sraddha (offering obsequial oblations to the departed) is just a yagna. The oblations should be offered in either silver or silver cum copper pots. Visvadevas are the guardians of Pitrus. Therefore, the oblations should be offered after worshipping the Visvadevas first and then the Pitrus and then Vishnu.

 

SRAADDHA – The offering given to pitrus. According to Puranas, Sraaddha is a very important ceremony. Here, “pitrus” does not mean “the souls of the dead”. Pitrus belong to special class of gods.

 

----

 

 

 

 

..

T.V.Ramagopal

 

 

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Respected Dr.,

 

I read your writings which gives me lot of new information.

Thanks.

 

With namaskaram,

 

R.Venkataramani.

 

 

 

 

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 Dr.Sadagopan wrote :

>SrI:

>

>Dear Members :

>

>This mail would be of interest to many .

>

>V.Sadagopan

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> " VARADACHARI SADAGOPAN " <yennappan

><Yennappan

>Friday, November 23, 2007 10:03 PM

>Fwd: Fw: Fw: Re:Bhattar's sarcasm and

>some Qs thereof

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>vaideekam , " Dr. Sadagopan " <yennappan

>wrote:

>

>SrI:

>

>Dear Sriman Vaasu VaadhyAr Swamy :

>***

>Dasan,

>***

>Could you please help a number of our readers ,

>who wonder about Sraaddham related matters :

>

>1) Who are pithrus ?

>*** Departed three generation father side parents.

>

>2) What are their links to the departed ?

>*** This is replied from my experience; there may be some

>evidence or may not be:

>While doing the Sapindikarnam, a manthram " ye samaanaaha samanasaha

>yamaraajyea ..... theshaam sri: mayi kalpathaam "

>It is instructed this manthram should be told in

>raising tone i.e, in high pitch at the end.

>

>Pithrus are three type or three positions :

>1. Vasu Roopam 2.Rudra roopam 3. Aadhithya roopam

>

>by the sound produced here the 'anma' is pushed from here

>by the vibrations produced.

>At the same time, the pithrus already who are in the above

>three stages are there to lift this new atma from their positions.

>By which the new atma is getting the Vasu position of Vasu roopam

>the old pithrus are getting shifted to next position.

>The third one is reaching the swargam.

>

>To proove this: (or as an evidence) the manthram told while

>performing the 'Go (cow)' dhaanam, the manthram is like this:

> " mama pithu prethasya / maathru prethayaa: pretha logaadhu pithru

>logam gachchadha: madhya vaitharani nadhi uththaranartham .... "

>

>So it is proved that pretha roopi is getting the pithru roopam.

>

>Then ,

>the manthram told while doing the 'Paadheya dhaanam' (curd rice

>bundle) the sankalpam is like this:

> " mama .......... pithru logaadh swarga logam gachchatha: madhya adhva

>shram nivruthyartham ..... "

>So it is proved that the pithru roopi is getting the Swargam.

>

>The difference between prapanna (sharanagathan) and others is:

>The same anma is there in the all three roopams in the case of others

>and some other deputed devada is there in the case of Prapannan.

>

>This is to maintain the link for the future atmas.

>***

>

>3) How does PiNDam and Tilam offered to

>the Pithrus reach them and satisfy them ?

>

>***

>A person who is having a physical body needs some food in the form

>of solid or liquid (physically).

>Pithrus are not in the physical form, so they don't need any physical

>form of food.

>But shastras are made for the convenient of human who are in the

>world with physical bodies.

>When one is doing his duty some other dharmam also to be protected or

>maintained. So, sastram is instructing man to do Pancha yagnam daily.

>The food offered for one or two swamis are coming under manushya

>yagnam.

>Pindams and thilam are going for Bhudha yagnam which will be given to

>some cow or crow and or fishes in the pond.

>

>Pindams are some sort of representation to convince the man by giving

>some physical form to assume and to do with care (shradhai).

>***

>

>4) When some one leaves the body and

>the Jeevan enters into another body ,

>how is the food offered to a departed person

>who was rerelated to you reach the Jeevan

>experiencing its karmAs in another body ?

>

>***

>Jeevas are taking another body is a common verse not for brahmins,

>the facility and speciality given for brahmin is the one that he can

>protect their pithrus from rebirth by performing the pithru karmas.

>

>If he does the karma perfectly then there is no room for this

>question.

>

>Even if the soul got a new body (by chance), to keep the shastram he

>has to perform the karmas.

>***

>5) In the case of the Muktha Jeevan that

>never returns again to the Karma BhUmi

>after SaraNAgathy , what happens to

>the Food offered in their name during

>the Sraaddham ?

>***

>Food offered is not for the pithrus, they are getting only

>satisfcation. By offering the food to a swamin with the physical

>body here in this world is getting a satisfaction, by which the atma

>of that swamin is getting some kind of satisfaction which can be

>conveyed are shared by the pitru atma which is some where else.

>

>It can be prooved, that a person can talk from world with the person

>who is in the moon. It shows, that a sound wave produced here is

>spreading infinitely / endlessly to all places.

>Like that this satisfaction feeling also can be conveyed.

>***

>6) What is the relationship between

>the Pithrus and the Prapanna Jeevan ,

>if at all any ?

>

>***

>Pithrus are the representatives of Prapanna jeevas arranged by

>bhagavan to maintain the shastram for the convenient of future

>atma to get the link.

>

>We are doing all karmas as " Sriman naarayana preethyartham "

>not as " Pithru preethyartham " .

>

> " Ekovishu: mahath bhudham .... bhunkthe .... avyaya: "

>Vishnu himself is taking / eating all these things.

>***

>

>Dear Mmebers : I hope I have capyured your

>questions . If there are others left out , please

>ask . Let us focus on this area .

>

>NamO SrI Veda PurushAya ,

>V.Sadagopan

>

>***

>I don't know that I have conveyed the matter clearly or not.

>Now a days, situation is not permitting me to answer questions with

>patience.

>dasan,

>nvs

>Extremely sorry.

>

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