Guest guest Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Dear SrI Raghavan : Thanks for your questions . I have provided some answers and am inviting others to shed additional light The application of Paccha Karpooram is not sanctioned by VaikAnasa Aagamam. Yelam , Lavangam , Karpporam are recommended for Thirumanjana Theertham . ThirumaNN made of Paccha Karpooram is unique to Thirumala . DakshiNa Venkataachapathy , Sri Oppiliappan or Nadu Naattu SrinivAsan ( Thiruvaheendhrapuram Devanathan ) or SrinivAsa PerumAL of ANNan Koil do not wear Paccha Karpoora ThirumaNN . They wear standard ThirumaNN and the eyes are not covered either for the dhruva bhErams at these dhivya dEsams . The areas between the eyes is the location of Aj~naa chakram , which has a very important role in Yogic practises . One can only speculate that Paccha Karpooram got into the picture at Thirumalaa from the time of AnanthALvAn , the sishyar who volunteered to do pushpa Kaimkaryam at Thirumala , his hitting the Lord with a crowbar in anger and the wound on the chin of the Lord , which was treated by the perturbed AnanthALvAn to heal the wound . He might have applied the Green Camphor paste with KasthUri , Sandal paste to cool the forehead of the Lord , which might have been smarting from the wound created on the chin and the bleeding that had to be stopped . It is an ancient custom unique to this dhivya dEsam , where the Lord came to help the pregnant wife of AnanthALvAn , who was helping her husband in his task (earth moving ) to create the flower garden forthe Lord . Other devotees and students of the customs at Thirumala are requested to shed some light on this Pacchai Karpoora dhAraNam at Thirumala . The coolness of the AakAsa Gangai Theertham is complemented by the heat extraction attributes of Paccha Karpooram , which has been used in medicine for a long time . NamO SrI VenkatEsAya , V.Sadagopan - Sampath Raghavan yennappan Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:33 AM Pacha karpuram / Sripadarenu Dear Sadagopan mama, Adiyen Dasan, I'm Raghavan from Bangalore. I would like to seek your inputs / answers on following information / topics 1. Why Pacha karpuram is used as Tiruman kapu for Tiruvenkatamudyan. 2. Why the tiruman kapu is covering the eyes of Lord. 3. Is pacha karpuram usage motioned in Vykansa agama shastra 4. Is there any reference to date or time when pachakarpuram was first used. 5. As we all know that Bhagvath ramanujaacharya is the Acharyan for Tiruvenkatamudyan ( Who gave the Shankam & chakram to lord ), was usage of pacha karpuram started during Bhagvath ramanujaacharya time 6. Is Pacha karpuram used for any other god in 108 divya desam. Thanks for your replies & my apologies if I have made apacharam by asking these queries. As a Srivaishanavite & bhaktha of Tiruvenkatamudyan thought should know this. Regards Raghavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Dear Sri Raghavan, I am much lagging in knowing Vashina sampradayam. But what I read reg Thiruman in "THIRU VENKATAMALAI VARALATRU MALAI" By Sriman U. V. T. A.Krishnamachariar is reproduced below. "Evan veru deivamo ennum santhegam pokka , in tha kovilai Saivarkal akkarimappukku munnal erutha nilaimaiyai karuthi THIRUNAMAM Kanamana Pacha Karpurapodiyinal anivikkapadavendum entru Bhagavath Ramanujamunivar Ozungumurai seithuarulinar." To get rid of the doubt that HE is some other devathai, Sri Ramanuja corrected & instructed to wear strong Pacha Karporapodi Thiruman for Lord Venkateswara.And in Thirumanjanakalam when Aksaganga ganga theertham was poured on HIS Thirumudi, even though the two lines in the front part of the face above eyes washed off, in the down Thirumookinadiyil ulla Thirunamam like two half moon was not rubbed off. On seeing this Bhagavath Ramanuja said'" Now HE is looking like Mohini Avtar in which HE made Deva & Asura to fell on HIS feet by showing HIS charming beauty.There is a rule that Ladies has to wear Half moon Thirunamam below eye brows in Vasistasamhitha.Such a thirunamam will attract all worldly people to HIM .This chandra like thirunamam will draw our eyes & atma towards HIM & such Thirunamam should always be wear. .And also for eyes anjana should be done. HIS eyes are cool when HE look at us" I made a ray of light towards towards this . Dasan Srinivasan G. Dear SrI Raghavan : Thanks for your questions . I have provided some answers and am inviting others to shed additional light The application of Paccha Karpooram is not sanctioned by VaikAnasa Aagamam. Yelam , Lavangam , Karpporam are recommended for Thirumanjana Theertham . ThirumaNN made of Paccha Karpooram is unique to Thirumala . DakshiNa Venkataachapathy , Sri Oppiliappan or Nadu Naattu SrinivAsan ( Thiruvaheendhrapuram Devanathan ) or SrinivAsa PerumAL of ANNan Koil do not wear Paccha Karpoora ThirumaNN . They wear standard ThirumaNN and the eyes are not covered either for the dhruva bhErams at these dhivya dEsams . The areas between the eyes is the location of Aj~naa chakram , which has a very important role in Yogic practises . One can only speculate that Paccha Karpooram got into the picture at Thirumalaa from the time of AnanthALvAn , the sishyar who volunteered to do pushpa Kaimkaryam at Thirumala , his hitting the Lord with a crowbar in anger and the wound on the chin of the Lord , which was treated by the perturbed AnanthALvAn to heal the wound . He might have applied the Green Camphor paste with KasthUri , Sandal paste to cool the forehead of the Lord , which might have been smarting from the wound created on the chin and the bleeding that had to be stopped . It is an ancient custom unique to this dhivya dEsam , where the Lord came to help the pregnant wife of AnanthALvAn , who was helping her husband in his task (earth moving ) to create the flower garden forthe Lord . Other devotees and students of the customs at Thirumala are requested to shed some light on this Pacchai Karpoora dhAraNam at Thirumala . The coolness of the AakAsa Gangai Theertham is complemented by the heat extraction attributes of Paccha Karpooram , which has been used in medicine for a long time . NamO SrI VenkatEsAya , V.Sadagopan - Sampath Raghavan yennappan (AT) computer (DOT) net Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:33 AM Pacha karpuram / Sripadarenu Dear Sadagopan mama, Adiyen Dasan, I'm Raghavan from Bangalore. I would like to seek your inputs / answers on following information / topics 1. Why Pacha karpuram is used as Tiruman kapu for Tiruvenkatamudyan. 2. Why the tiruman kapu is covering the eyes of Lord. 3. Is pacha karpuram usage motioned in Vykansa agama shastra 4. Is there any reference to date or time when pachakarpuram was first used. 5. As we all know that Bhagvath ramanujaacharya is the Acharyan for Tiruvenkatamudyan ( Who gave the Shankam & chakram to lord ), was usage of pacha karpuram started during Bhagvath ramanujaacharya time 6. Is Pacha karpuram used for any other god in 108 divya desam. Thanks for your replies & my apologies if I have made apacharam by asking these queries. As a Srivaishanavite & bhaktha of Tiruvenkatamudyan thought should know this. Regards Raghavan Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Mail. See how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Dear All : We will soon seek clarification from HH Peddha Jeeyar of Thirumala thru one of His dear sishyAs about this important subject of Pacchai KaRpooram's usage by the Lord of Seven Hills . Meanwhile , I welcome the inputs of Sri Govind and thank him . NamO SrI VenkatEsAya , V.Sadagopan - Srinivasan Govind Oppiliappan ; Sampath Raghavan Cc: Anil ; Ponnappan Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:58 AM Re: Re: Pacha karpuram / Sripadarenu Dear Sri Raghavan, I am much lagging in knowing Vaishinava sampradayam. But what I read reg Thiruman in "THIRU VENKATAMALAI VARALATRU MALAI" By Sriman U. V. T. A.Krishnamachariar is reproduced below. "Evan veru deivamo ennum santhegam pokka , in tha kovilai Saivarkal akkarimappukku munnal erutha nilaimaiyai karuthi THIRUNAMAM Kanamana Pacha Karpurapodiyinal anivikkapadavendum entru Bhagavath Ramanujamunivar Ozungumurai seithuarulinar." To get rid of the doubt that HE is some other devathai, Sri Ramanuja corrected & instructed to wear strong Pacha Karporapodi Thiruman for Lord Venkateswara.And in Thirumanjanakalam when Aksaganga ganga theertham was poured on HIS Thirumudi, even though the two lines in the front part of the face above eyes washed off, in the down Thirumookinadiyil ulla Thirunamam like two half moon was not rubbed off. On seeing this Bhagavath Ramanuja said'" Now HE is looking like Mohini Avtar in which HE made Deva & Asura to fell on HIS feet by showing HIS charming beauty.There is a rule that Ladies has to wear Half moon Thirunamam below eye brows in Vasistasamhitha.Such a thirunamam will attract all worldly people to HIM .This chandra like thirunamam will draw our eyes & atma towards HIM & such Thirunamam should always be worn. .And also for eyes anjana should be done. HIS eyes are cool when HE look at us" I made a ray of light towards towards this . Dasan Srinivasan G. Dear SrI Raghavan : Thanks for your questions . I have provided some answers and am inviting others to shed additional light The application of Paccha Karpooram is not sanctioned by VaikAnasa Aagamam. Yelam , Lavangam , Karpporam are recommended however for Thirumanjana Theertham . ThirumaNN made of Paccha Karpooram is unique to Thirumala . DakshiNa Venkataachapathy , Sri Oppiliappan or Nadu Naattu SrinivAsan ( Thiruvaheendhrapuram Devanathan ) or SrinivAsa PerumAL of ANNan Koil do not wear Paccha Karpoora ThirumaNN . They wear standard ThirumaNN and the eyes are not covered either for the dhruva bhErams at these dhivya dEsams . The areas between the eyes is the location of Aj~naa chakram , which has a very important role in Yogic practises . One can only speculate that Paccha Karpooram got into the picture at Thirumalaa from the time of AnanthALvAn , the sishyar who volunteered to do pushpa Kaimkaryam at Thirumala , his hitting the Lord with a crowbar in anger and the wound on the chin of the Lord , which was treated by the perturbed AnanthALvAn to heal the wound . He might have applied the Green Camphor paste with KasthUri , Sandal paste to cool the forehead of the Lord , which might have been smarting from the wound created on the chin and the bleeding that had to be stopped . It is an ancient custom unique to this dhivya dEsam , where the Lord came to help the pregnant wife of AnanthALvAn , who was helping her husband in his task (earth moving ) to create the flower garden forthe Lord . Other devotees and students of the customs at Thirumala are requested to shed some light on this Pacchai Karpoora dhAraNam at Thirumala . The coolness of the AakAsa Gangai Theertham is complemented by the heat extraction attributes of Paccha Karpooram , which has been used in medicine for a long time . NamO SrI VenkatEsAya , V.Sadagopan - Sampath Raghavan yennappan (AT) computer (DOT) net Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:33 AM Pacha karpuram / Sripadarenu Dear Sadagopan mama, Adiyen Dasan, I'm Raghavan from Bangalore. I would like to seek your inputs / answers on following information / topics 1. Why Pacha karpuram is used as Tiruman kapu for Tiruvenkatamudyan. 2. Why the tiruman kapu is covering the eyes of Lord. 3. Is pacha karpuram usage motioned in Vykansa agama shastra 4. Is there any reference to date or time when pachakarpuram was first used. 5. As we all know that Bhagvath ramanujaacharya is the Acharyan for Tiruvenkatamudyan ( Who gave the Shankam & chakram to lord ), was usage of pacha karpuram started during Bhagvath ramanujaacharya time 6. Is Pacha karpuram used for any other god in 108 divya desam. Thanks for your replies & my apologies if I have made apacharam by asking these queries. As a Srivaishanavite & bhaktha of Tiruvenkatamudyan thought should know this. Regards Raghavan Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Mail. See how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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