Fw: doubt on bhudha avataram

May 31, 2008

SrI:

Dear Members : For Your Information .

V.Sadagopan

-

" Ram Anbil " <Ramanbil

<shalu_holy; <andavan >;

<lordsrinivasa >; ;

<ramanuja >;

Friday, May 30, 2008 12:37 PM

RE: doubt on bhudha avataram

>

> Dear Swamin:It is said " avataaraa: asankhyEya: " meaning that the Avataras

> taken by the lord are countless.

> Over 48 Avataras have been identified of which 10 are considered to be

> major ones (Dasa Avataras) while others are considered auxiliary avataras.

>

> Paancharaatra Samhita lists 39 avtaras.

> Swami Desikan mentions " thirty and odd " in " Tattva Traya Chintana

> Adhikaara " of his " Srimad Rahasya Traya Saaram "

> Most of these avtaras have been described in Paancha Raatra Samhita.

>

> The Puranic Buddha in question is called " Aadhi Buddha " and is found

> described in Matsya PuraaNa (47.247), Bhaaagavta PuraaNa (1.3.24),

> Bhavishya PuraaNa ( 3.1.6) and Agni PuraaNa (6). You may have to go

> through the stories in the respective PuraaNas and the Paancha Raatra

> Samhita, if you need greater details about this Pre-historic " Aadhi

> Buddha "

>

> Thus, he is totally different from the Post-Puranic, " historical " Buddha

> known as " Siddhaartha " and " Gautama Buddha "

>

> Hope this clarifies.

> Dasoham

> Anbil Ramaswamy

>

> andavan ; lordsrinivasa ;

> ; ramanuja ;

> : shalu_holy: Wed, 28 May

> 2008 05:27:16 -0700 doubt on bhudha avataram

>

> srimathe ramanujaya namaha

>

> namo narayana

>

> ananthakoti dhandangal to all bagavathas .In

> srivaishnanavm.org i saw some writings about budha avataram

>

> In that its been told the budha avataram is not

> goutama budha tht people are following now .its some other budha

> .Bagavatham and many scriptures talk abt budha avataram..

>

> My doubt is If it is not this goutama budha who is

> tht budha ?I just dont want the name as mentioned in website .

>

> .If we are capable of telling he is not the one we

> should also be able to tell who is that?? when he lived ??why he is

> considered as lord avataram ..what leela's he did ?any pramanams for

> telling he is not goutama budha..and also pramanams for the budha

> mentioned .

>

> If we are not able to tell which budha he is ,when

> he lived ?,wat he did ?,or any pramanams? ,we should not tell it is not

> goutama budha with full confidence .

>

> I am not challenging anything here ..its my long time

> doubt which is disturbing me .

>

> adiyen

> srisaila ramanuja dasan

May 31, 2008

Namaskaram,

Can you please give me the meaning/lyrics/audio link

of Sri Srinivasa Gadyam...I have followed the links

already given in the thread but coiuld not find the

meaning. Hard that it wsa published/mentioned in 1940

by Tirupathi oriental Institute and the names of the

raagams were not mentioned in the original txt. Is it

correct?

Warm regards

Sudha

--- " Dr. Sadagopan " <yennappan wrote:

> SrI:

>

> Dear Members : For Your Information .

> V.Sadagopan

> -

> " Ram Anbil " <Ramanbil

> <shalu_holy;

> <andavan >;

> <lordsrinivasa >;

> ;

> <ramanuja >;

>

> Friday, May 30, 2008 12:37 PM

> RE: doubt on bhudha avataram

>

> >

> > Dear Swamin:It is said " avataaraa: asankhyEya: "

> meaning that the Avataras

> > taken by the lord are countless.

> > Over 48 Avataras have been identified of which 10

> are considered to be

> > major ones (Dasa Avataras) while others are

> considered auxiliary avataras.

> >

> > Paancharaatra Samhita lists 39 avtaras.

> > Swami Desikan mentions " thirty and odd " in " Tattva

> Traya Chintana

> > Adhikaara " of his " Srimad Rahasya Traya Saaram "

> > Most of these avtaras have been described in

> Paancha Raatra Samhita.

> >

> > The Puranic Buddha in question is called " Aadhi

> Buddha " and is found

> > described in Matsya PuraaNa (47.247), Bhaaagavta

> PuraaNa (1.3.24),

> > Bhavishya PuraaNa ( 3.1.6) and Agni PuraaNa (6).

> You may have to go

> > through the stories in the respective PuraaNas and

> the Paancha Raatra

> > Samhita, if you need greater details about this

> Pre-historic " Aadhi

> > Buddha "

> >

> > Thus, he is totally different from the

> Post-Puranic, " historical " Buddha

> > known as " Siddhaartha " and " Gautama Buddha "

> >

> > Hope this clarifies.

> > Dasoham

> > Anbil Ramaswamy

> >

> > andavan ;

> lordsrinivasa ;

> > ;

> ramanuja ;

> > :

> shalu_holy: Wed, 28 May

> > 2008 05:27:16 -0700 doubt on

> bhudha avataram

> >

> > srimathe ramanujaya namaha

> >

> > namo narayana

> >

> > ananthakoti dhandangal to

> all bagavathas .In

> > srivaishnanavm.org i saw some writings about

> budha avataram

> >

> > In that its been told the

> budha avataram is not

> > goutama budha tht people are following now .its

> some other budha

> > .Bagavatham and many scriptures talk abt budha

> avataram..

> >

> > My doubt is If it is not

> this goutama budha who is

> > tht budha ?I just dont want the name as mentioned

> in website .

> >

> > .If we are capable of

> telling he is not the one we

> > should also be able to tell who is that?? when he

> lived ??why he is

> > considered as lord avataram ..what leela's he did

> ?any pramanams for

> > telling he is not goutama budha..and also

> pramanams for the budha

> > mentioned .

> >

> > If we are not able to tell

> which budha he is ,when

> > he lived ?,wat he did ?,or any pramanams? ,we

> should not tell it is not

> > goutama budha with full confidence .

> >

> > I am not challenging anything

> here ..its my long time

> > doubt which is disturbing me .

> >

> > adiyen

> > srisaila ramanuja dasan

>

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Shall be OBLIGED If all the 39 or 48 avataram of the LORD can be stated for benefit of all of usWe all know of major 10 and a few more like Kapila Dhanvantri Hayagriva Annam etcThanks adiyen dasan

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 6:25 AM, Dr. Sadagopan <yennappan wrote:

SrI:

Dear Members : For Your Information .

V.Sadagopan

-

" Ram Anbil " <Ramanbil

<shalu_holy; <andavan >;

<lordsrinivasa >; ;

<ramanuja >;

Friday, May 30, 2008 12:37 PM

RE: doubt on bhudha avataram

>

> Dear Swamin:It is said " avataaraa: asankhyEya: " meaning that the Avataras

> taken by the lord are countless.

> Over 48 Avataras have been identified of which 10 are considered to be

> major ones (Dasa Avataras) while others are considered auxiliary avataras.

>

> Paancharaatra Samhita lists 39 avtaras.

> Swami Desikan mentions " thirty and odd " in " Tattva Traya Chintana

> Adhikaara " of his " Srimad Rahasya Traya Saaram "

> Most of these avtaras have been described in Paancha Raatra Samhita.

>

> The Puranic Buddha in question is called " Aadhi Buddha " and is found

> described in Matsya PuraaNa (47.247), Bhaaagavta PuraaNa (1.3.24),

> Bhavishya PuraaNa ( 3.1.6) and Agni PuraaNa (6). You may have to go

> through the stories in the respective PuraaNas and the Paancha Raatra

> Samhita, if you need greater details about this Pre-historic " Aadhi

> Buddha "

>

> Thus, he is totally different from the Post-Puranic, " historical " Buddha

> known as " Siddhaartha " and " Gautama Buddha "

>

> Hope this clarifies.

> Dasoham

> Anbil Ramaswamy

>

> andavan ; lordsrinivasa ;

> ; ramanuja ;

> : shalu_holy: Wed, 28 May

> 2008 05:27:16 -0700 doubt on bhudha avataram

>

> srimathe ramanujaya namaha

>

> namo narayana

>

> ananthakoti dhandangal to all bagavathas .In

> srivaishnanavm.org i saw some writings about budha avataram

>

> In that its been told the budha avataram is not

> goutama budha tht people are following now .its some other budha

> .Bagavatham and many scriptures talk abt budha avataram..

>

> My doubt is If it is not this goutama budha who is

> tht budha ?I just dont want the name as mentioned in website .

>

> .If we are capable of telling he is not the one we

> should also be able to tell who is that?? when he lived ??why he is

> considered as lord avataram ..what leela's he did ?any pramanams for

> telling he is not goutama budha..and also pramanams for the budha

> mentioned .

>

> If we are not able to tell which budha he is ,when

> he lived ?,wat he did ?,or any pramanams? ,we should not tell it is not

> goutama budha with full confidence .

>

> I am not challenging anything here ..its my long time

> doubt which is disturbing me .

>

> adiyen

> srisaila ramanuja dasan

June 2, 2008

SrI:

Daer Srimathi Janaki:

Here are the 39 AvatArams of the Lord :

As background , there are 4 VyUha Roopams:

VaasudEva , SankarshaNa , Pradhymna and

Aniruddha VyUhams .

From each of the VyUha Moorthys three avatArams

( UpavyUhams) happen :

From VaasudEvan: Kesavan , NaarAyNan and Maadhavan

From SankarshaNan : Govindhan , VishNu and Madhusoodhanan

From Pradhyumnan : Thrivikraman , Vaamana and Sridharan

From Aniruddhan : HrusheekESan , PadhmanAbhan and DhAmOdharan

These 12 are invoked in our Panniru Naamams

( Urdhva PuNDrams) : 18th ebook in the Sundara Simham series ,

(http://www.sundarasimham.org )

Some of the above VyUha and UpavyUha Moorthys

are included in the 39 Vibhava avatArams of

Para VaasudEvan as revealed by PaancharAtra Agamam :

1) PadhmanAbhan (2) SanathkumAran (3) Dhruvan

(4) Anantan (5) SakthyAtmA , (6) Madhusoodhanan

(7) Kapilan (8) ViSvaroopan (9) Vihangaman

(10) KrODAtmA (11) BadabhAvaktran (12) Dharman

(13) Hayagreevan (14) HAMSAN (15) Matsyan

(16) Koorman (17) AmrutAharaNan (18) VarAhan

(19) Nrusimhan (20) Raahujith (21) KaalanEmignan

(22) PaarijAtaharan (23) DattAtrEyan (24) VaDapatra sAyee

(25) Vaamanan (26) Trivikraman (27) Nara-NaarAyaNar

(28) Hari (29) Naaradhan (30) Bhrudhu (31) Vrushabhan

(32) Dhanvantri (33) VyAsan (34) PaatALa sayanan

(35) ParasurAman (36) Raaman (37) BalarAman

(38) KrishNan and (39) Kalki .

Although VibhavaavatArams are many . hte daSaavatrams among

them are special because of many mangaLams arose from those ten

avatArams ( DasAvatAra StOtram in the Sundara Simham series:

15th ebook , http://www.sundarasimham.org

Among these one roopam can transform into another

( Vaamanan into Trivikraman) . Some of them are not

PoorNAvatArams like Raama . KrishNa , Nrusimha ;

others are amsAvatArams like Kapilar , ParasurAmar et al.

ParamaikAnthis do not worship amSAvatara Moothys .

NamO Sri VaasudEvAya ,

V.Sadagopan

-

janaki janaki1958

Oppiliappan

Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:51 AM

Re: Fw: doubt on bhudha avataram

Shall be OBLIGED If all the 39 or 48 avataram of the LORD can be stated for benefit of all of usWe all know of major 10 and a few more like Kapila Dhanvantri Hayagriva Annam etcThanks adiyen dasan

June 2, 2008

SrI:

Daer Srimathi Janaki:

Here are the 39 AvatArams of the Lord :

As background , there are 4 VyUha Roopams:

VaasudEva , SankarshaNa , Pradhymna and

Aniruddha VyUhams .

From each of the VyUha Moorthys three avatArams ( UpavyUhams) happen :

From VaasudEvan: Kesavan , NaarAyNan and Maadhavan

From SankarshaNan : Govindhan , VishNu and Madhusoodhanan

From Pradhyumnan : Thrivikraman , Vaamana and Sridharan

From Aniruddhan : HrusheekESan , PadhmanAbhan and DhAmOdharan

These 12 are invoked in our Panniru Naamams ( Urdhva PuNDrams) : 18th ebook in the Sundara Simham series ,

(http://www.sundarasimham.org )

Some of the above VyUha and UpavyUha Moorthys are included in the 39 Vibhava avatArams of Para VaasudEvan as revealed by PaancharAtra Agamam :

1) PadhmanAbhan (2) SanathkumAran (3) Dhruvan (4) Anantan (5) SakthyAtmA , (6) Madhusoodhanan (7) Kapilan (8) ViSvaroopan (9) Vihangaman (10) KrODAtmA (11) BadabhAvaktran (12) Dharman

(13) Hayagreevan (14) HAMSAN (15) Matsyan (16) Koorman (17) AmrutAharaNan (18) VarAhan

(19) Nrusimhan (20) Raahujith (21) KaalanEmignan (22) PaarijAtaharan (23) DattAtrEyan (24) VaDapatra sAyee

(25) Vaamanan (26) Trivikraman (27) Nara-NaarAyaNar (28) Hari (29) Naaradhan (30) Bhrudhu (31) Vrushabhan (32) Dhanvantri (33) VyAsan (34) PaatALa sayanan (35) ParasurAman (36) Raaman (37) BalarAman

(38) KrishNan and (39) Kalki .

Although VibhavaavatArams are many . hte daSaavatrams among them are special because of many mangaLams arose from those ten avatArams ( DasAvatAra StOtram in the Sundara Simham series:

15th ebook , http://www.sundarasimham.org

Among these one roopam can transform into another ( Vaamanan into Trivikraman) . Some of them are not PoorNAvatArams like Raama . KrishNa , Nrusimha ; others are amsAvatArams like Kapilar , ParasurAmar et al.

ParamaikAnthis do not worship amSAvatara Moorthys .

NamO Sri VaasudEvAya ,

V.Sadagopan

-

janaki janaki1958

Oppiliappan

Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:51 AM

Re: Fw: doubt on bhudha avataram

Shall be OBLIGED If all the 39 or 48 avataram of the LORD can be stated for benefit of all of usWe all know of major 10 and a few more like Kapila Dhanvantri Hayagriva Annam etcThanks adiyen dasan