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Dear Bhagya,

 

Prapatti of many people including, Draupadi, Kakasura, the Pandavas,

Samudraraja, etc., were not for moksham. They did not get moksham as a

result of this Prapatti. They got whatever they wanted. Draupadi did not

lose her husbands, Kakasura did not get burnt by the Brahmastra, the

Pandavas protected their maanam, Arjuna got spiritual knowledge including

and upto what is Prapatti, but did not understand enough to do Prapatti for

Moksham for himself or any member of his family.

 

At the end of the long saga of the Mahabharata, and after having led a

virtuous life in the path of Dharma, the Pandavas went to hell and then

heaven (Swarga or Devaloka) respectively.

 

Duryodhana and his brothers went to Swarga first and then subsequently to

hell. This is all the difference between leading a life of dharma and

adharma, unless the life of dharma brings you to do either Bhakti Yoga or

Prapatti. This is because past sins are infinite and one can endlessly

being paying for them, unless we get Sriman Narayana to break the chain.

 

adiyen Ramanuja daasan,

jagan.

 

 

> " Bhagya Murali " <ammakannu

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>adiyen just had a doubt(forgive adiyen if it sounds stupid or anything of

>that sort).

>

>doubt: Draupadi surrendered to Krishnan--but this was when She was in an

>unfavourable circumstance and she needed protection from duchathanan. So

>she surrendered specifically so that her 'manam' is still intact.

>

>Now, does she still get moksham?? Adiyen remembers hearing that you can ask

>for anything and do prapatti and you'll get it. Since she didn't

>specifically ask for moksham or think of it...will she get moksham??

>

>Please clarify.

>

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SrimatE Sri Lakshmi nrusimha divya pAdukA sEvaka srivan sadagOpa

sri nArAyanayAtheendra mahadEsikaya nama:

 

Dear Sri Jagan Swamin,

 

>

> Prapatti of many people including, Draupadi, Kakasura, the

Pandavas,

> Samudraraja, etc., were not for moksham. They did not get moksham

as a

> result of this Prapatti. They got whatever they wanted. Draupadi

did not

> lose her husbands, Kakasura did not get burnt by the Brahmastra,

the

> Pandavas protected their maanam, Arjuna got spiritual knowledge

including

> and upto what is Prapatti, but did not understand enough to do

Prapatti for

> Moksham for himself or any member of his family.

>

 

Swami dEsikan in his adikalapatthu says:

 

kAkam irAkkathan mannar kAthali katthitabhandu

nAgam haran ayan muthalOr nAganagarAr thamakkum

bhOgam uyar VEEDU pera ponnarul seithamaikkandu

nAgamalai nAyaganAr nalladippOdu adainthEnE

- adikalapatthu, verse 4

 

Here, swami dEsikan says that perumAl has given

mOksham or veedu to asurAs like kAkAsUran, and

even for mannar kAthali (Dhrowpathi) and hence

he (swami) surrenders to perumAl to attain the same.

 

If kAkAsuran or Dhrowpathi did pray to perumAl

just to get saved from the approching danger and they

didn't get mOksham even at the end of their life,

why did swami dEsikan mentioned here that they got veedu.

Is this veedu diffenent from veedu in aram, porul,

inbham and veedu, in otherwords dharmam, artham, kAmam

and mOksham. AdiyEn doesn't quite understand your answer.

Please correct if adiyEn is wrong and explain further

about your reasoning.

 

Thanks

 

srimad azhagiya singar thiruvadigalE saranam

 

rAmAnuja dAsan

rAmasAmy

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>

> K. Ramasamy [pathi]

> Monday, August 28, 2000 10:24 AM

>

> Re: doubt

>

 

 

In this context, please consider Periyathirumozhi 1.1.9:

 

kulam tharum selvam thandhidum adiyaar

padu thuyar aayina vellam,

nilandharam seyyum neeL visumbu aruLum

aruLodu perunilam aLikkum,

valam tharum maRRunm thandhidum peRRa

thaayinum aayina seyyum,

nalandharum sollai naan kaNdukoNdEn

naaraayaNaa ennum naamam.

 

Here Thirumangai Azhvar lists all the different worldly

things our Lord will give, and will also give " nIL visumbu "

= " vIdu " = " mOksham " .

 

 

Now to Swami Sri Desikan's Adaikkalapattu:

 

> kAkam irAkkathan mannar kAthali katthitabhandu

> nAgam haran ayan muthalOr nAganagarAr thamakkum

> bhOgam uyar VEEDU pera ponnarul seithamaikkandu

> nAgamalai nAyaganAr nalladippOdu adainthEnE

> - adikalapatthu, verse 4

>

 

[ .. ]

 

>

> If kAkAsuran or Dhrowpathi did pray to perumAl

> just to get saved from the approching danger and they

> didn't get mOksham even at the end of their life,

> why did swami dEsikan mentioned here that they got veedu.

 

 

The third line says, " bhOgam, uyar veedu " .

bOgam = worldly pleasures, uyar veedu = mOksham.

Sri Sriramadesikachar Swami explains this as,

 

" avar avar virumbiyavaaRu SamSAra

bOgaththaiyum mOkshaththaiyum aLiththalin ... "

 

(in accordance with one's desire, He gives

worldly pleasures or mOksham ... )

 

Prapatti is an effective sAdyOpayam for opening up our

Lord's limitless grace (siddOpAyam) which will provide

one with whatever he desires. Obviusoly, as Sri Vaishnavas

with swaroopa jnanam, we must aspire only for mOksham.

 

Hope this helps,

 

-- adiyEn

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Dear Sri Vaasu VaadhyAr :

 

I recieved this query from a dear Aasthika .

Your response will be appreciated .

 

Your answers would be of general interest to our group

Members as well . The topic of Thettu comes up often as

you know in Sri RanganAtha PaadhukA , where GanapAdi

DesikacchAr Swamy answers many such questions .

 

V.Sadagopan

 

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srI:

Recently, adiyen was in Srirangam for funeral of my jyeshta braathaa

and completed 13 days ritual. The bruhaspati told that adiyen could

not go to temple for one year in view of doing karma for every month.

He also added that adiyen could not participate in chanting of Veda or

divya prabandam goshti outside adiyen's home. Why is that a person who

is doing kaariyam for a year, forbidden in the participation?

 

dasan.

 

Dear Sri Sadagopachar Swamin,

I wish to answer this question in a detailed manner but in Tamil.

So, I request you to bear some time to prepare it.

Thanks and kind regards,

Dasan

Srinivasan

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Makhara Maasam is coming only after 1.30 pm

Can anybody sit without taking cofee or anything?

There are lot of " Sugar Patients " who can wait without food, or even tablet.

It is better to do the tharpanam before taking food than waiting for the prescribed time which is known as " aapath dharmam " .

And hence I had given both times (not only given the morning time).

You question had given me a chance to explain the matter to everybody.

VAsu VAdhyAr

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srIsrimate gopaladesika mahadesikaya namahadasoham.I learned that kataka sankramana (aadi masam) tarpaNam should be

performed when uthirayanam is in force. Also, makara sankramanatarpaNam should be performed in uthirayanam. The uthirayana punyakalamis in force for 60 nazhigai ( 24 hours). In sankalpam swamin hassuggested dakshinayane.. shApa mase (margazhi month). Can swamin clear

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SrI:

 

Here is one more question for

Sriman Vaasu VaadhyAr .

 

This item comes up often

in discussions .

 

V.Sadagopan

-

S Srikanth - Pata

Dr. Sadagopan

Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:04 PM

doubt

 

 

Swamin,

 

I was reading your mail about pitrus. It was illuminating.

 

I have one doubt. If one's progeny happens to comprise all female offspring,

than can pitru karma be expected in future?

 

Since the chain of male progeny is broken ..

 

Could that one of the reasons for the desire for male progeny?

 

Dasan,

 

Srikanth

 

This article appeared in Raamabhakti .

 

 

 

***

The term 'Vamsam' is suitable only for male heirs / progeny and not for female.

The vamsam can have some other branches from the tree stem.

There are many ways to reach the pitru sthanam like 'Narayana bali' etc.

Narayana bali is a procedure which completes the karma once for all. It is

enough for the atma to reach its further destination.

 

Here again one more point of proof is discovered to prove that further pitru

karma like shradham are only required for the future male offsprings and not

for the departed one!!

dasan,

nvs

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Dear Swamin / Ammeyar,

 

Can any one solve my doubt?

 

According to various scripts, it is mentioned as by reading or performing according to certain scripts we will ge Moksham and all our Sins would be pardoned. In such case, people may think that "until some time I will enjoy all types of greeds and even if it is sinful and read such scripts or perform those rituals according to the scripts". Then, whether it is the same result for both the persons, the one who has sacrifised his life for God and Scripts and the one who very lately took the same?

 

Please answer my question by quoting some authenticity or proof from the sacred scripts for the above doubt.

 

Regards,

 

Murali

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Dear Bhagavata,

 

When you do sin and enjoy the furits, you will never have the mind to do the rituals to attain moksha. Moreover, by the time you do the sins your entire body would get exhausted and you will not be stong enough to the rituals. It is not Logical?

 

Regards,

K.R.Vijayarahgavan.

 

 

From: muralims2003Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:35:08 +0530 Doubt

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Swamin / Ammeyar,

 

Can any one solve my doubt?

 

According to various scripts, it is mentioned as by reading or performing according to certain scripts we will ge Moksham and all our Sins would be pardoned. In such case, people may think that "until some time I will enjoy all types of greeds and even if it is sinful and read such scripts or perform those rituals according to the scripts". Then, whether it is the same result for both the persons, the one who has sacrifised his life for God and Scripts and the one who very lately took the same?

 

Please answer my question by quoting some authenticity or proof from the sacred scripts for the above doubt.

 

Regards,

 

Murali

Vishnu daasan

 

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SrI:

SrImathE Gopaladesika Mahadesikaya nama:

Dear Sri Murli

 

I underwent the same doubt few years ago and asked asmadhacharyan

(in the same token)...

 

my query was:

 

I, who has been committing grave sins (paapams) due to paraka krupai

of Acharyan and the unlimited grace of Divya Dampathi, am blessed to

place my soul at the lotus feet of His Holiness who performed

Saranagati (Bharanyasam) for me... .. Now I am assured mercifully by

the most compassionate Lord for moksham and there will be no further

births...

 

But there are very many scholars, and paramaikanthis who have

dedicated lives and every moment to Acharya/ Ahzwar sreesookthis,

and perform bhagavath, bhAgawatha kainkaryam, and because of their

performance of Prapatti also, they would be blessed to attain

moksham...

 

Both of us would enjoy the samel levels in Srivaikuntam and perform

eternal, faultless kainkaryam and have immense unbounded blissful

anubhavam there at the lotus feet of Divya Dampathi.

 

How can we both be equal?

****

His Holiness smiled and responded:

 

the jeevathmas take numerous births and due to some good deed

performed and recognized mercifully by the Lord, they are placed in

human births and even it is extremely rare to get blessed with such

births in good families, and then subsequently sathsangam,

sadacharya sambandhams, and then get transformed with divine

kataksham of Acharyas and other scholars, have the mind to be firm

to take a minor step towards Him in terms of taking a decision to

perform Saranagati (which again is due to His Parama dhayai and

krupai) and hence what you are comparing is only one cycle of

numerous cycles...

 

In His eyes, there is no favourite; none can be less equal or more

equal. He takes the saranagti as a vyAjam (lame excuse).. to save

us..

 

******

Trust this clarifies.

 

one thing: after performance of prapatti, the mind does get more

clearer and adiyEn is one example of how acharya's kataaksham can

transform so much... if I can be changed and transformed, any one

else would be... because I am the " aparaadha chakravartthi " ... none

can be equal to me... otthAr mikkA illaadha paapishtan.

 

Regards

namo narayana

dAsan Acharyan ThiruvaDi...

 

His Holiness

 

, murali seshadri

<muralims2003 wrote:

>

> Dear Swamin / Ammeyar,

>  

> Can any one solve my doubt?

>  

> According to various scripts, it is mentioned as by reading or

performing according to certain scripts we will ge Moksham and all

our Sins would be pardoned.  In such case, people may think

that " until some time I will enjoy all types of greeds and even if

it is sinful and read such scripts or perform those rituals

according to the scripts " .  Then, whether it is the same result for

both the persons, the one who has sacrifised his life for God and

Scripts and the one who very lately took the same?

>  

> Please answer my question by quoting some authenticity or proof

from the sacred scripts for the above doubt.

>  

> Regards,

>  

> Murali

> Vishnu daasan

>

>

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Dear Swamin,I have gone through the email of Mr. Murali and your reply on the subject and wish to be enlightened on the following. What is the status of Jeevatma which performed Prappati and commits a sin advertently or inadvertently. Will Bhagwaan punish the jeevatma before taking him into his abode or turns him away to countless cycle of births/ deaths.Also, as is known that paramatma or bhagwan is not affected by three modes / gunas of material nature i.e. Satvam, Rajas and Tamas, whereas jeevatma is always under the influence of these 3 modes (in varying degree). Under these circumstances, jeevatma is bound to commit various sins, knowingly or unknowingly. What does bhagwaan do to enlighten the prapannan, alleviate the sufferings and show him the way.Also, if prapannan realises his mistake what ritual he should perform to cleanse himself. Pardon me If said anything wrong and clarify the doubt.RegardsVenugopal- " K.R VIJAYRAGHAVAN " muralims2003, Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:42:40 +0530RE: Doubt

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhagavata, When you do sin and enjoy the furits, you will never have the mind to do the rituals to attain moksha. Moreover, by the time you do the sins your entire body would get exhausted and you will not be stong enough to the rituals. It is not Logical? Regards,K.R.Vijayarahgavan.

From: muralims2003 (AT) (DOT) co.inDate: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:35:08 +0530 Doubt

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Swamin / Ammeyar, Can any one solve my doubt? According to various scripts, it is mentioned as by reading or performing according to certain scripts we will ge Moksham and all our Sins would be pardoned. In such case, people may think that " until some time I will enjoy all types of greeds and even if it is sinful and read such scripts or perform those rituals according to the scripts " . Then, whether it is the same result for both the persons, the one who has sacrifised his life for God and Scripts and the one who very lately took the same? Please answer my question by quoting some authenticity or proof from the sacred scripts for the above doubt. Regards, MuraliVishnu daasan

 

 

 

 

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SrI:

Dear Sri Venugopal

 

Sri Anbil Ramaswamy Swami had written a summary level write up on

Swamy Desikan's Sri Rahasyathraya saaram... wherein Chapter 15

(Uttra krithya adhikaram) talks about the post -saranagati or Post

prapatti period... .

 

That answers your query:

 

(The manner in which one should conduct oneself after Prapatti)

 

 

This Chapter lays down the duties to be performed by a Prapanna from

the time of his doing Prapatti till attaining Moksha on death.

 

(a) A Prapanna should not slacken his attentions to and performance

of his Nitya Karmas.

 

(b) He should continue to widen his knowledge by associating with

Acharyas and others qualified.

 

© Even if he has achieved a mental evolution befitting him to a

direct communion with God., he should not feel proud about it since

he should be ever aware of his own insignificance

 

(d) He should keep his sense organs under perfect control

 

(e) He should continue to do service to the archa form of the Lord

as also Nishkamya Karmas.

 

(f) He should consciously avoid all desire for worldly pleasures and

carry on his daily routine with wealth earned through Dharmic means.

 

(g) He should always feel grateful to the grace of the preceptor who

initiated him into Prapatti

 

(h) He should always utter the Dvaya mantra as advised by his Guru

 

(i) He should never boast about his own greatness (j) He should

scrupulously avoid insulting or disrespecting the Bhagavatas and

Acharyas.

 

(j) He should always be eager to perform service to Bhagavan, the

Bhagavatas and Acharyas.

 

(k) He should eat only pious foods conducive to augmenting Satva

guna.

 

What a Prapanna should do and what he should not may be summarized

as follows:

 

(i) Not to indulge in Worldly pleasures and desire therefor

(ii) To remember The great help rendered by Acharyas

(iii) Not to utter Words of Self-praise

(iv) To utter Dvaya Mantra

(v) To avoid in mind Disrespect to Bhaghavatas and word and deed

Acharyas

(v) To perform in mind Service to Bhaghavan, Bhaghavatas word and

deed and Acharyas..

 

And Chapter 18 mainly talks about the " Atonement of offences or

sins " ...

 

Atonement for offences)

 

After Prapatti, a Prapanna will not indulge in committing any sins

 

(1) Should he commit any without intention, such sins will not

accrue to him;

 

(2) Sins knowingly and deliberately committed can be neutralized by

atonement -prayaschitta prapatti (not for the purpose of Moksha)

 

(3) Should one indulge in sins deliberately and does not atone,

minor punishments will be imposed on him like becoming blind, lame

etc., or disobedience by wife, children etc. In such an event also

the Prapanna would not be denied Moksha because his papas will be

negatived by atonement or suffering punishment as aforesaid.

 

(4) Even major sins except what is stated in (5) below will be

excused by the Lord by inflicting a light punishment in exercise of

his patience, love and compassion towards the Prapanna.

 

(5) The only heinous and unpardonable sins which will nullify the

effects of Prapatti are: (a) Disrespect to Bhagavatas and Acharyas

and (b) Adherence to deities other than Bhagavaan.

 

(6) Though the means and Phala of Moksha are identical as between a

Prapanna and the great Nityas and Muktas like PARASARA,VYASA,SRI

NATHAMUNI and others, the Prapanna should not arrogate himself by

equating himself with these extraordinary luminaries since they are

far superior on account of their birth, character, knowledge,

discipline etc which are not comparable to those of the Prapanna.

 

(7) THE PRAPANNA SHOULD NOT DISCRIMINATE ANY ONE AS INFERIOR ON

ACCOUNT OF THE LATTER'S CASTE, CREED, SEX OR OTHER DIFFERENCES

 

(8) The Apacharas committed towards Bhagavatas can also be expiated

but Only by seeking the forgiveness of the same Bhagavatas

 

(9) A SUBTLE POINT TO NOTE IN THIS CONNECTION IS THAT IF A PRAPANNA

PRAYS AT THE TIME OF DOING PRAPATTI FORGIVENESS OF SINS HE MIGHT

COMMIT KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY IN THE POST-PRAPATTI PERIOD, THE

LORD WOULD TAKE CARE TO GUARD HIM AGAINST HIS COMMITTING SUCH SINS

ALSO.

 

(10) The Post-Prapatti sins get exculpated thus:- 1/4th by not

repeating such sins; 1/4th by feeling repentant; ¼ th by efforts to

perform atonement (Prayaschitta) and the balance 1/4th by actually

performing the Prayaschitta. Thus, for the Prapanna, there is no

consignment to hell or the danger of rebirth under any circumstances

 

*******

[One should study this magnum opus of Swamy Desikan at the lotus

feet of acharyan]

 

Trust this helps

Regards

Namo Narayana

dAsanu dAsan

 

 

 

, " RAJA GOPALAN VANU GO

(saranyan) " <saranyan wrote:

>

> Dear Swamin,

>

> I have gone through the email of Mr. Murali and your reply on the

subject and wish to be enlightened on the following.

>

> What is the status of Jeevatma which performed Prappati and

commits a sin advertently or inadvertently. & nbsp; & nbsp;Will & nbsp;

Bhagwaan punish the jeevatma before taking him into his abode or

turns him away to countless cycle of births/ deaths.

>

> Also, as is known that paramatma or bhagwan is not affected by

three modes / gunas & nbsp;of material nature i.e. Satvam, Rajas and

Tamas, whereas jeevatma is always under the influence of these 3

modes (in varying degree). Under these circumstances, & nbsp; jeevatma

is bound to commit various sins, knowingly or unknowingly. & nbsp;

>

> What does bhagwaan do to enlighten the prapannan, alleviate the

sufferings and show him the way.

>

> Also, if prapannan realises his mistake what ritual he

should & nbsp;perform to cleanse himself. & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

>

> Pardon me If said anything wrong & nbsp; & nbsp;and clarify the doubt.

>

>

> Regards

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- " RAJA GOPALAN VANU GO (saranyan) " " srivaishnavan " <srivaishnavanMon, 21 Jul 2008 15:50:50 +0400Re: Doubt

 

Dear SwaminThank you very much for enlightening reply. It is indeed a wonderful guidelines for prapannan.5) The only heinous and unpardonable sins which will nullify the effects of Prapatti are: (a) Disrespect to Bhagavatas and Acharyas and (b) Adherence to deities other than Bhagavaan. However, I like to seek clarification on point # 5, especially point (b). I have seen many people visiting Shiva / Parvati Temples and Nava graha Sthalams for performing shanti (as per their jaathaka doshas) even after prapatti, although it is amply clear by your argument that after Baara Samarpanam, Bhagwaan takes care of their well being. Here I would like to point out the following1. All Demi Gods or upa devatas are extension of Bhagawaan himself and certainly they are on higher plane than jeevatma. For instance,

In Mahabharata, Krishna instructs Arjuna to meditate on Lord Siva for acquiring Paasupathastra. Also, in Bhagavat Gita, Bhagwan states that all the wealth and pleasure obtained from worshipping of Demi Gods is also given by his sankalpam only2. In this world, until his exit from material body, jeevatma is influenced by Navagraha devatas, good or bad, depending on the purva karma. Under these circumstances, even learned bhagawatas / sri vaishanavas perform poojas & visit their kshetrams. I am sure this is due to prevalance of Rajo and Tamo guna over Satva guna. My question to you as follows :1. What is the status of prapanna, if he visits navagraha kshetrams / saiva kshetrams and performs pooja. In his mind he is very clear about supremacy of Lord Sriman Narayana. He sees Narayana

everywhere, " Sarva Vyaapi Sarva Boothantharatma " . Will the Lord be so unmerciful to prapanna who is worshipping his extension (upa devatas). If according to the scriptures, if this sin is unpardonable and effect of prappati is diluted, what should prapanna do to get back on the track. (my sincere obeisance to all bhagavatas / Aachaaryas and also to all the people involved in Krishna Bhakti) Please pardon me. My only intention of posting this question is to help a prapannan to come back on track and enjoy the bliss of Divya Dampathis in this life and a life thereafter in Sri Vaikunta RegardsDasanVenugopal-srivaishnavan Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:20:40 +0000Re: Doubt

 

 

 

 

SrI:Dear Sri VenugopalSri Anbil Ramaswamy Swami had written a summary level write up on Swamy Desikan's Sri Rahasyathraya saaram... wherein Chapter 15 (Uttra krithya adhikaram) talks about the post -saranagati or Post prapatti period... .That answers your query:(The manner in which one should conduct oneself after Prapatti) This Chapter lays down the duties to be performed by a Prapanna from the time of his doing Prapatti till attaining Moksha on death. (a) A Prapanna should not slacken his attentions to and performance of his Nitya Karmas. (b) He should continue to widen his knowledge by associating with Acharyas and others qualified. © Even if he has achieved a mental evolution befitting him to a direct communion with God., he should not feel proud about it since he should be ever aware of his own insignificance (d) He should

keep his sense organs under perfect control (e) He should continue to do service to the archa form of the Lord as also Nishkamya Karmas. (f) He should consciously avoid all desire for worldly pleasures and carry on his daily routine with wealth earned through Dharmic means. (g) He should always feel grateful to the grace of the preceptor who initiated him into Prapatti (h) He should always utter the Dvaya mantra as advised by his Guru (i) He should never boast about his own greatness (j) He should scrupulously avoid insulting or disrespecting the Bhagavatas and Acharyas. (j) He should always be eager to perform service to Bhagavan, the Bhagavatas and Acharyas. (k) He should eat only pious foods conducive to augmenting Satva guna. What a Prapanna should do and what he should not may be summarized as follows: (i) Not to indulge in

Worldly pleasures and desire therefor (ii) To remember The great help rendered by Acharyas (iii) Not to utter Words of Self-praise (iv) To utter Dvaya Mantra (v) To avoid in mind Disrespect to Bhaghavatas and word and deed Acharyas (v) To perform in mind Service to Bhaghavan, Bhaghavatas word and deed and Acharyas..And Chapter 18 mainly talks about the " Atonement of offences or sins " ... Atonement for offences) After Prapatti, a Prapanna will not indulge in committing any sins (1) Should he commit any without intention, such sins will not accrue to him; (2) Sins knowingly and deliberately committed can be neutralized by atonement -prayaschitta prapatti (not for the purpose of Moksha) (3) Should one indulge in sins deliberately and does not atone, minor punishments will be imposed on him like becoming blind, lame etc., or

disobedience by wife, children etc. In such an event also the Prapanna would not be denied Moksha because his papas will be negatived by atonement or suffering punishment as aforesaid. (4) Even major sins except what is stated in (5) below will be excused by the Lord by inflicting a light punishment in exercise of his patience, love and compassion towards the Prapanna. (5) The only heinous and unpardonable sins which will nullify the effects of Prapatti are: (a) Disrespect to Bhagavatas and Acharyas and (b) Adherence to deities other than Bhagavaan. (6) Though the means and Phala of Moksha are identical as between a Prapanna and the great Nityas and Muktas like PARASARA,VYASA,SRI NATHAMUNI and others, the Prapanna should not arrogate himself by equating himself with these extraordinary luminaries since they are far superior on account of their birth, character, knowledge, discipline etc which are not comparable to those of the Prapanna. (7) THE PRAPANNA SHOULD NOT DISCRIMINATE ANY ONE AS INFERIOR ON ACCOUNT OF THE LATTER'S CASTE, CREED, SEX OR OTHER DIFFERENCES (8) The Apacharas committed towards Bhagavatas can also be expiated but Only by seeking the forgiveness of the same Bhagavatas (9) A SUBTLE POINT TO NOTE IN THIS CONNECTION IS THAT IF A PRAPANNA PRAYS AT THE TIME OF DOING PRAPATTI FORGIVENESS OF SINS HE MIGHT COMMIT KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY IN THE POST-PRAPATTI PERIOD, THE LORD WOULD TAKE CARE TO GUARD HIM AGAINST HIS COMMITTING SUCH SINS ALSO. (10) The Post-Prapatti sins get exculpated thus:- 1/4th by not repeating such sins; 1/4th by feeling repentant; ¼ th by efforts to perform atonement (Prayaschitta) and the balance 1/4th by actually performing the Prayaschitta. Thus, for the Prapanna, there is no consignment to hell or the

danger of rebirth under any circumstances*******[One should study this magnum opus of Swamy Desikan at the lotus feet of acharyan] Trust this helpsRegardsNamo NarayanadAsanu dAsan , " RAJA GOPALAN VANU GO (saranyan) " <saranyan wrote:>> Dear Swamin,> > I have gone through the email of Mr. Murali and your reply on the subject and wish to be enlightened on the following. > > What is the status of Jeevatma which performed Prappati and commits a sin advertently or inadvertently. & nbsp; & nbsp;Will & nbsp; Bhagwaan punish the jeevatma before taking him into his abode or turns him away to countless cycle of births/

deaths.> > Also, as is known that paramatma or bhagwan is not affected by three modes / gunas & nbsp;of material nature i.e. Satvam, Rajas and Tamas, whereas jeevatma is always under the influence of these 3 modes (in varying degree). Under these circumstances, & nbsp; jeevatma is bound to commit various sins, knowingly or unknowingly. & nbsp;> > What does bhagwaan do to enlighten the prapannan, alleviate the sufferings and show him the way.> > Also, if prapannan realises his mistake what ritual he should & nbsp;perform to cleanse himself. & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; > > Pardon me If said anything wrong & nbsp; & nbsp;and clarify the doubt.> > > Regards