The stories of the Azhwars ( Guru Parampara ) and their Dates

December 28, 2008

Dear All :

Quite often questions come up about AzhwAr's

times based on Guru Parampara and modern day

research . Here are soem inputs . Please feel

free to comment . I have also added the dates of

our AchAryans starting from Swamy Naathamuni to

Swamy Desikana nd MaNavALa MaamunihaL for

easy referecne .

1. Pinbhazhagiya Jeeyar 's Guru Parampara

( First chronicle on AzhwAr's dhivya charitams)

belongs to the time of 11th to 12th century .

He was a sishyar of NampiLLai.

He was also a contemproary of PeriyavAcchAn

PiLLai and Vadakku Thiruveethi PiLLai .

2. Azhwar's times will vary for SampradhAyic to

modern Historical views . The 500 years ranging

from 5th to 10th century A,D is the view of

modern day scholars . Sampradhayic view

places them from 4202 B.C ( Mudhal Azhwars

to Thirumazhisai ) , Madhura Kavi ( 3224 B.C) ,

NammAzhwAr ( 3102 B.C) ,

Kulasekharar ( 3075 B.C) , PeriyAzhwAr ( 3056 B.C) ,

Andal ( 3005 B.C) , Thondaradippodi ( 2814 B.C) ,

ThiruppANar ( 2760 B.C) and Thirumangai ( 2714 B.C).

I am more comfortable with the 5th to 10th century

A.D dates based on the clues in PeriyAzhwAr and

Thirumangai Paasurams and stone inscriptions

in the Temples about rulers of Tamil Naadu .

3. Acharya Paramparai :

Sriman Narayanan , Mahaa Lakshmi , VishvaksEnar

Swamy NammAzwAr ( born B.C 3102 )

Swamy Naatha Muni ( 824-924 A.D)

with sishyas of UyyakkoNDAr (826-931)

and MaNakkAl Nambi ( 832-937 A.D )

Swamy AlavantAr( 916-1041 A.D)

Thirumalai Nambi ( 973-1073 A.D)

Acharya RaamAnuja ( 1017-1137 A.D )

Kuresar ( 1010-1116 A.D)

Embar ( 1026-1131A.D )

Kidambi AacchAn ( 1057-1157 A.D)

Thirukkuruhai PirAn PiLLAn ( Son of

Thirumalai Nambi , 11th century A.D, Kali 4134)

Swamy ParAsara Battar ( Born 1074 A.D)

Namjeeyar ( 11th-12th Century A.D)

NampiLLai ( " )

PeriyavaacchAn PiLLai ( Born 1159 A.D)

Vadakku Thiruveethi PiLLai ( 12th century )

Nadathur AaLvAn ( 10th-11th Century A.D)

YengaL AzhwAn ( 1106-1206 A.D)

NadathUr AmmAL ( 1165-1275 A.D)

Sudarsana Battar ( 13th to 14th century)

AtrEya RaamAnujar ( 13th to 14th Century )

Swamy Desikan ( 1268-1369 A.D)

Swamy PiLLai LokaacchAr ( 1205-1326 A.D)

Kumara Varadachaar ( 1316-1401 A.D)

Brahma Tantra ParakAla Yati ( 1286-1386 A.D)Swamy MaNavALa Maamuni (1370-1444 A.D)

PrativAdhi Bhayankaram ANNan ( 1300-1410 A.D)

Ranga RaamAnuja Muni ( 16th Century ).

Additional details on the SamaasrayaNa and

Kaalkshepa Paramparais are available at

http://www.ahobilamutt.org

under Acharya paramparai .

Http://www,acahryas.org also has valuable information .

Detailed chronology of AchArya Raamanuja is at

http://www.sundarasimham.org

The original 6000 padi is by Pinbhazhagiya Jeeyar Swamy

There are also 3000 and 6000 Padis on Guru Parampara

by two ParakAla Matam Jeeyars .

Namo SrI Nrisimhaaya ,

V.Sadagopan

-

pradeepandanusha

Dr.V.Sadagopan

Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:08 PM

Re: Re: [srisathyanarayanaperumal_Mambalam] The stories of the Azhwars

Dear Shri Sadagopan It is good to hear from you again. Your comments are usefull. I will go through the websites. So which century were the lives of the Azhwars first chronicled? Regards Pradeep

December 28, 2008

SrI:

Dear Sri Santhana Gopalan :

You are right !

Thanks very much for your mail .

There was a typing mistake

with respect to EmbAr's

ascent to parama Padham .

I typed 1131 instead of 1141 A.D

for Embar . His dates as GarudAmsa

avatArar are :

Embar lived 4 years after AchArya

Raamanuja's ascent to SrI VaikunTham.

He managed the Srirangam Temple

for 4 years after HIs AchAryan's

deha vyOham . Proof may be in

Srirangam Koil Ozhugu .

AchArya RaamAnuja shed His mortal coils

while rsting His Thirumudi on Embar's lap

and while Embar was reciting dhvayam .

Emabar's birth year is given as 1021 or 1026 A.D.

The general preference is 1021 A.D , since

the belief is that He was 4 years's younger

than His cousin , Ilaya PerumAL ( AchArya

RaamAnuja) .

Sri Kaaryam Swamy of Madhuramangalam

Jeeyar at the birth place of Embar can give

you more details on Embar :

His telephone number is :

984-064-6861 or 924-577-2289

NamO Sri RanganAthAya ,

V.Sadagopan

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S.GOPAL

Oppiliappan

Sunday, December 28, 2008 12:02 AM

Re: The stories of the Azhwars ( Guru Parampara ) and their Dates

Respected Dr VS swamin,

Adiyen's saashtaanga pranaamams.

As I was going gthrough the dates of our Purva acharyas, I was attracted by the two dates, that of Acharya Ramanujar and Acharya Embar.

I read somewhere or heard Swami Velukkudi's pravachanam( I am not sure). My memory believes, that after Acharya Ramanujar, Acharya Embar took over the Srirangam namperumal temple administration.

If this is so, the dates you have mentioned appear to clash with this view.

Kindly review the position and advise.

Adiyen

Santhana gopala dasan

-

Dr.V.Sadagopan

Srisathyanarayanaperumal_Mambalam ; Ponnappan ; Swami ; Sgt ; SG ; DS ; Rajeev ; IRS

Sunday, December 28, 2008 9:17 AM

The stories of the Azhwars ( Guru Parampara ) and their Dates

Dear All :

Quite often questions come up about AzhwAr's

times based on Guru Parampara and modern day

research . Here are soem inputs . Please feel

free to comment . I have also added the dates of

our AchAryans starting from Swamy Naathamuni to

Swamy Desikana nd MaNavALa MaamunihaL for

easy referecne .

1. Pinbhazhagiya Jeeyar 's Guru Parampara

( First chronicle on AzhwAr's dhivya charitams)

belongs to the time of 11th to 12th century .

He was a sishyar of NampiLLai.

He was also a contemproary of PeriyavAcchAn

PiLLai and Vadakku Thiruveethi PiLLai .

2. Azhwar's times will vary for SampradhAyic to

modern Historical views . The 500 years ranging

from 5th to 10th century A,D is the view of

modern day scholars . Sampradhayic view

places them from 4202 B.C ( Mudhal Azhwars

to Thirumazhisai ) , Madhura Kavi ( 3224 B.C) ,

NammAzhwAr ( 3102 B.C) ,

Kulasekharar ( 3075 B.C) , PeriyAzhwAr ( 3056 B.C) ,

Andal ( 3005 B.C) , Thondaradippodi ( 2814 B.C) ,

ThiruppANar ( 2760 B.C) and Thirumangai ( 2714 B.C).

I am more comfortable with the 5th to 10th century

A.D dates based on the clues in PeriyAzhwAr and

Thirumangai Paasurams and stone inscriptions

in the Temples about rulers of Tamil Naadu .

3. Acharya Paramparai :

Sriman Narayanan , Mahaa Lakshmi , VishvaksEnar

Swamy NammAzwAr ( born B.C 3102 )

Swamy Naatha Muni ( 824-924 A.D)

with sishyas of UyyakkoNDAr (826-931)

and MaNakkAl Nambi ( 832-937 A.D )

Swamy AlavantAr( 916-1041 A.D)

Thirumalai Nambi ( 973-1073 A.D)

Acharya RaamAnuja ( 1017-1137 A.D )

Kuresar ( 1010-1116 A.D)

Embar ( 1026-1131A.D )

Kidambi AacchAn ( 1057-1157 A.D)

Thirukkuruhai PirAn PiLLAn ( Son of

Thirumalai Nambi , 11th century A.D, Kali 4134)

Swamy ParAsara Battar ( Born 1074 A.D)

Namjeeyar ( 11th-12th Century A.D)

NampiLLai ( " )

PeriyavaacchAn PiLLai ( Born 1159 A.D)

Vadakku Thiruveethi PiLLai ( 12th century )

Nadathur AaLvAn ( 10th-11th Century A.D)

YengaL AzhwAn ( 1106-1206 A.D)

NadathUr AmmAL ( 1165-1275 A.D)

Sudarsana Battar ( 13th to 14th century)

AtrEya RaamAnujar ( 13th to 14th Century )

Swamy Desikan ( 1268-1369 A.D)

Swamy PiLLai LokaacchAr ( 1205-1326 A.D)

Kumara Varadachaar ( 1316-1401 A.D)

Brahma Tantra ParakAla Yati ( 1286-1386 A.D)Swamy MaNavALa Maamuni (1370-1444 A.D)

PrativAdhi Bhayankaram ANNan ( 1300-1410 A.D)

Ranga RaamAnuja Muni ( 16th Century ).

Additional details on the SamaasrayaNa and

Kaalkshepa Paramparais are available at

http://www.ahobilamutt.org

under Acharya paramparai .

Http://www,acahryas.org also has valuable information .

Detailed chronology of AchArya Raamanuja is at

http://www.sundarasimham.org

The original 6000 padi is by Pinbhazhagiya Jeeyar Swamy

There are also 3000 and 6000 Padis on Guru Parampara

by two ParakAla Matam Jeeyars .

Namo SrI Nrisimhaaya ,

V.Sadagopan

-

pradeepandanusha

Dr.V.Sadagopan

Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:08 PM

Re: Re: [srisathyanarayanaperumal_Mambalam] The stories of the Azhwars

Dear Shri Sadagopan It is good to hear from you again. Your comments are usefull. I will go through the websites. So which century were the lives of the Azhwars first chronicled? Regards Pradeep

January 4, 2009

Dear Renganatha Bhakthas,Some other views of scholars on the period of the Azhwaars.Dates of Alwars:Dr S Ramanathan - Divyaprabnadha Pannisai - Pathippurai:The period of the alwars has been concluded by researchers as some time between 7th and ninth cenuries A D.Mu Ragavaiyangar - Azhvarkal Kalanilai - page 147.All dates in A D.Poigai, Bootham and Peyalvar - 460-540Mazhisai - 520-620Peerialvar - 700-785Thirumangai -710-790Andal - 716-782Thondaradippodi - 740-800Madurakavi - 740-805Kulasekaran- 750-780Thiruppanalwar - 750-800Nammazhwar - 765-800Dr Kamalakkannan - "Thondai Nadum vainavamum"The period of the alvars was definitely after the sixth century.--- On Sun, 12/28/08,

Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan

wrote:Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan The stories of the Azhwars ( Guru Parampara ) and their Dates"SRS" <Srirangasri >Cc: "T.G Ramamurthi" <tgramuSunday, December 28,

2008, 3:56 AM

Dear All :

Quite often questions come up about AzhwAr's

times based on Guru Parampara and modern day

research . Here are soem inputs . Please feel

free to comment . I have also added the dates of

our AchAryans starting from Swamy Naathamuni to

Swamy Desikana nd MaNavALa MaamunihaL for

easy referecne .

1. Pinbhazhagiya Jeeyar 's Guru Parampara

( First chronicle on AzhwAr's dhivya charitams)

belongs to the time of 11th to 12th century .

He was a sishyar of NampiLLai.

He was also a contemproary of PeriyavAcchAn

PiLLai and Vadakku Thiruveethi PiLLai .

2. Azhwar's times will vary for SampradhAyic to

modern Historical views . The 500 years ranging

from 5th to 10th century A,D is the view of

modern day scholars . Sampradhayic view

places them from 4202 B.C ( Mudhal Azhwars

to Thirumazhisai ) , Madhura Kavi ( 3224 B.C) ,

NammAzhwAr ( 3102 B.C) ,

Kulasekharar ( 3075 B.C) , PeriyAzhwAr ( 3056 B.C) ,

Andal ( 3005 B.C) , Thondaradippodi ( 2814 B.C) ,

ThiruppANar ( 2760 B.C) and Thirumangai ( 2714 B.C).

I am more comfortable with the 5th to 10th century

A.D dates based on the clues in PeriyAzhwAr and

Thirumangai Paasurams and stone inscriptions

in the Temples about rulers of Tamil Naadu .

3. Acharya Paramparai :

Sriman Narayanan , Mahaa Lakshmi , VishvaksEnar

Swamy NammAzwAr ( born B.C 3102 )

Swamy Naatha Muni ( 824-924 A.D)

with sishyas of UyyakkoNDAr (826-931)

and MaNakkAl Nambi ( 832-937 A.D )

Swamy AlavantAr( 916-1041 A.D)

Thirumalai Nambi ( 973-1073 A.D)

Acharya RaamAnuja ( 1017-1137 A.D )

Kuresar ( 1010-1116 A.D)

Embar ( 1026-1131A.D )

Kidambi AacchAn ( 1057-1157 A.D)

Thirukkuruhai PirAn PiLLAn ( Son of

Thirumalai Nambi , 11th century A.D, Kali 4134)

Swamy ParAsara Battar ( Born 1074 A.D)

Namjeeyar ( 11th-12th Century A.D)

NampiLLai ( " )

PeriyavaacchAn PiLLai ( Born 1159 A.D)

Vadakku Thiruveethi PiLLai ( 12th century )

Nadathur AaLvAn ( 10th-11th Century A.D)

YengaL AzhwAn ( 1106-1206 A.D)

NadathUr AmmAL ( 1165-1275 A.D)

Sudarsana Battar ( 13th to 14th century)

AtrEya RaamAnujar ( 13th to 14th Century )

Swamy Desikan ( 1268-1369 A.D)

Swamy PiLLai LokaacchAr ( 1205-1326 A.D)

Kumara Varadachaar ( 1316-1401 A.D)

Brahma Tantra ParakAla Yati ( 1286-1386 A.D)Swamy MaNavALa Maamuni (1370-1444 A.D)

PrativAdhi Bhayankaram ANNan ( 1300-1410 A.D)

Ranga RaamAnuja Muni ( 16th Century ).

Additional details on the SamaasrayaNa and

Kaalkshepa Paramparais are available at

http://www.ahobilam utt.org

under Acharya paramparai .

Http://www,acahryas .org also has valuable information .

Detailed chronology of AchArya Raamanuja is at

http://www.sundaras imham.org

The original 6000 padi is by Pinbhazhagiya Jeeyar Swamy

There are also 3000 and 6000 Padis on Guru Parampara

by two ParakAla Matam Jeeyars .

Namo SrI Nrisimhaaya ,

V.Sadagopan

-

pradeepandanusha@ gmail.com

Dr.V.Sadagopan

Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:08 PM

Re: Re: [srisathyanarayanap erumal_Mambalam] The stories of the Azhwars

Dear Shri Sadagopan It is good to hear from you again. Your comments are usefull. I will go through the websites. So which century were the lives of the Azhwars first chronicled? Regards Pradeep