Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Respected Bhagavatas, From Srivaishnava Guruparampara dhyana stotram (Asmad Gurubhyo Namaha, Asmad Parama......)I understand that Sri Veda Vyasa's Name is not there in the stotram. I would like to know if there any particular reason for this, because, we can't imagine any of our philosophies without reference to him. Also, I came to know that Advaitins have Veda Vyasa's name in their Guruparampara. Can any body help me understand about this? Adiyen Mohan Ramanuja Dasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Dear Sri Mohan, We Srivaishnavas sure have Sri Veda Vyasa in our guruparampara. please refer to http://www.parasarabhattar.org/Acharya.html in that chart one can clearly see vyasar combining two of the five paramparas (geetha saastram and Vedantham) of srivaishnavam. the other three are (rahasya trayam, paancharaathra divya saastram and dravida vedam). dasan, NCN. ramanuja , " Mohan Ramanujan " <mohan_ramanujan wrote: > > Respected Bhagavatas, > > From Srivaishnava Guruparampara dhyana stotram (Asmad Gurubhyo Namaha, Asmad Parama......)I understand that Sri Veda Vyasa's Name is not there in the stotram. I would like to know if there any particular reason for this, because, we can't imagine any of our philosophies without reference to him. Also, I came to know that Advaitins have Veda Vyasa's name in their Guruparampara. > > Can any body help me understand about this? > > Adiyen > Mohan Ramanuja Dasan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Dear Sri Mohan Swamy, a. Our Acharya paramparai has a basis. It is oriented towards the Dravida Veda Sampradayam and hence Sri Sadagopar is the top level Acharyan for the same(mAran paNittha tamizh maRai). Since Nammazhvar is a personification of all Azhwars there was no need to enumerate other Azhwars in the parampara. b. Acharya paramparai generally limits to each yuga. One does not maintain the Acharya paramparai across yugas. And also, the paramparais end sometimes. For ex: After Maamunigal, perumal put a full stop by becoming swamy's sishyan thereby not allowing anyone else further to be called as an Acharyan. For Kaliyuga, the Acharya paramparai starts only with Nammazhvar and hence Vyasar who belonged to the previous yuga had no place. The first three namely, Sridharan, Sri and Vishvaksena are constants. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. adiyEn, rAmAnuja dAsan. ramanuja , " Mohan Ramanujan " <mohan_ramanujan wrote: > > Respected Bhagavatas, > > From Srivaishnava Guruparampara dhyana stotram (Asmad Gurubhyo Namaha, Asmad Parama......)I understand that Sri Veda Vyasa's Name is not there in the stotram. I would like to know if there any particular reason for this, because, we can't imagine any of our philosophies without reference to him. Also, I came to know that Advaitins have Veda Vyasa's name in their Guruparampara. > > Can any body help me understand about this? > > Adiyen > Mohan Ramanuja Dasan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Dear Sriman Narasimhan swami, You have put it well. Though Prahlada, Sri Vibhishana, Mandodari, draupadi and several others were great SVs, and it is vyasa etc. who gave us these stories, it is azhwars who made the concepts handy and clearer to us in the age of Kali thru their aruLiccheyals as commented by poorvacharyas. Hence saying Sri Satakopa is our first guru on the earth is fully justified. adiyen Vishnu ramanuja , " Lakshmi Narasimhan " <nrusimhann wrote: > > Dear Sri Mohan Swamy, > > a. Our Acharya paramparai has a basis. It is oriented towards the > Dravida Veda Sampradayam and hence Sri Sadagopar is the top level > Acharyan for the same(mAran paNittha tamizh maRai). Since Nammazhvar > is a personification of all Azhwars there was no need to enumerate > other Azhwars in the parampara. > > b. Acharya paramparai generally limits to each yuga. One does not > maintain the Acharya paramparai across yugas. And also, the > paramparais end sometimes. For ex: After Maamunigal, perumal put a > full stop by becoming swamy's sishyan thereby not allowing anyone else > further to be called as an Acharyan. > For Kaliyuga, the Acharya paramparai starts only with Nammazhvar and > hence Vyasar who belonged to the previous yuga had no place. The first > three namely, Sridharan, Sri and Vishvaksena are constants. > > > Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. > > adiyEn, > rAmAnuja dAsan. > > ramanuja , " Mohan Ramanujan " > <mohan_ramanujan@> wrote: > > > > Respected Bhagavatas, > > > > From Srivaishnava Guruparampara dhyana stotram (Asmad Gurubhyo > Namaha, Asmad Parama......)I understand that Sri Veda Vyasa's Name is > not there in the stotram. I would like to know if there any > particular reason for this, because, we can't imagine any of our > philosophies without reference to him. Also, I came to know that > Advaitins have Veda Vyasa's name in their Guruparampara. > > > > Can any body help me understand about this? > > > > Adiyen > > Mohan Ramanuja Dasan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Rishies are common to everybody including smaarthaas and hence not invoked specifically but included in Asmad Gurubhyo nama:. The most important Acharyan is your Samasrayana Acharyan through whom you reach every one before him. Dr. K. P. Sarathy ramanuja , " Vishnu " <vsmvishnu wrote: > > Dear Sriman Narasimhan swami, > > You have put it well. Though Prahlada, Sri Vibhishana, Mandodari, > draupadi and several others were great SVs, and it is vyasa etc. who > gave us these stories, it is azhwars who made the concepts handy and > clearer to us in the age of Kali thru their aruLiccheyals as > commented by poorvacharyas. Hence saying Sri Satakopa is our first > guru on the earth is fully justified. > > adiyen > Vishnu > > ramanuja , " Lakshmi Narasimhan " > <nrusimhann@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri Mohan Swamy, > > > > a. Our Acharya paramparai has a basis. It is oriented towards the > > Dravida Veda Sampradayam and hence Sri Sadagopar is the top level > > Acharyan for the same(mAran paNittha tamizh maRai). Since > Nammazhvar > > is a personification of all Azhwars there was no need to enumerate > > other Azhwars in the parampara. > > > > b. Acharya paramparai generally limits to each yuga. One does not > > maintain the Acharya paramparai across yugas. And also, the > > paramparais end sometimes. For ex: After Maamunigal, perumal put a > > full stop by becoming swamy's sishyan thereby not allowing anyone > else > > further to be called as an Acharyan. > > For Kaliyuga, the Acharya paramparai starts only with Nammazhvar > and > > hence Vyasar who belonged to the previous yuga had no place. The > first > > three namely, Sridharan, Sri and Vishvaksena are constants. > > > > > > Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. > > > > adiyEn, > > rAmAnuja dAsan. > > > > ramanuja , " Mohan Ramanujan " > > <mohan_ramanujan@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Bhagavatas, > > > > > > From Srivaishnava Guruparampara dhyana stotram (Asmad Gurubhyo > > Namaha, Asmad Parama......)I understand that Sri Veda Vyasa's Name > is > > not there in the stotram. I would like to know if there any > > particular reason for this, because, we can't imagine any of our > > philosophies without reference to him. Also, I came to know that > > Advaitins have Veda Vyasa's name in their Guruparampara. > > > > > > Can any body help me understand about this? > > > > > > Adiyen > > > Mohan Ramanuja Dasan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Dear Swamis, First of all, adiyen's knowledge on Guruparmapara is very very limited. But adiyen feel this, which i wish to share, if any mistakes kindly forgive me. While I was reading a Srivaishnavam Q & A by a swami who is in Oppliappan kovil (I forget his name, it was twenty years back). He refers, Srivaishnavam is the only matham accept the all vedas and upanishands, but the vedas are smurthis (smurthi means vedas are chanted by one and listen by another and repeatly chanted). Veda vyasar compailed all vedas. Even after there are many ways to interpret. Now here i am refering yadava prakarser while interpret about the Bharamam to Shri Ramanuja, and swami corrects the ways which becomes a issue between guru and student. After Alvandhar wish Shri Ramanujar done the bhashiyam of Bharamasutharam (which is a baseline of vedas) in reference with Vishitadhvaitham. Though ramanuja done the greatest ever work of this size, but he still belives our acharya guruparmapara is with Namalvar, we should not have any doubt that " did i miss any achyara in the Guruparampara? " . We Srivaishnavas do not miss any single word from vedas, or the compliers of the veda at later stages. Our Guruparampara with most acknowledged and validated by Namperumal itself, which we should not have any doubt. Namperumal validates Guruparamapara and arulicheyal as well. The dravida veda saharam is itself a ocean, with acheryan grupa we can swim this ocean. I am once again sorry, if i made any mistake. Adiyen Dasen Hari from London --- Vishnu <vsmvishnu wrote: > Dear Sriman Narasimhan swami, > > You have put it well. Though Prahlada, Sri > Vibhishana, Mandodari, > draupadi and several others were great SVs, and it > is vyasa etc. who > gave us these stories, it is azhwars who made the > concepts handy and > clearer to us in the age of Kali thru their > aruLiccheyals as > commented by poorvacharyas. Hence saying Sri > Satakopa is our first > guru on the earth is fully justified. > > adiyen > Vishnu > > ramanuja , " Lakshmi > Narasimhan " > <nrusimhann wrote: > > > > Dear Sri Mohan Swamy, > > > > a. Our Acharya paramparai has a basis. It is > oriented towards the > > Dravida Veda Sampradayam and hence Sri Sadagopar > is the top level > > Acharyan for the same(mAran paNittha tamizh > maRai). Since > Nammazhvar > > is a personification of all Azhwars there was no > need to enumerate > > other Azhwars in the parampara. > > > > b. Acharya paramparai generally limits to each > yuga. One does not > > maintain the Acharya paramparai across yugas. And > also, the > > paramparais end sometimes. For ex: After > Maamunigal, perumal put a > > full stop by becoming swamy's sishyan thereby not > allowing anyone > else > > further to be called as an Acharyan. > > For Kaliyuga, the Acharya paramparai starts only > with Nammazhvar > and > > hence Vyasar who belonged to the previous yuga had > no place. The > first > > three namely, Sridharan, Sri and Vishvaksena are > constants. > > > > > > Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. > > > > adiyEn, > > rAmAnuja dAsan. > > > > ramanuja , " Mohan > Ramanujan " > > <mohan_ramanujan@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Bhagavatas, > > > > > > From Srivaishnava Guruparampara dhyana stotram > (Asmad Gurubhyo > > Namaha, Asmad Parama......)I understand that Sri > Veda Vyasa's Name > is > > not there in the stotram. I would like to know if > there any > > particular reason for this, because, we can't > imagine any of our > > philosophies without reference to him. Also, I > came to know that > > Advaitins have Veda Vyasa's name in their > Guruparampara. > > > > > > Can any body help me understand about this? > > > > > > Adiyen > > > Mohan Ramanuja Dasan > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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